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User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

Morning..Just curious if someone has the skinny on how fast the aircraft inspections /needed repairs are coming along? When could one expect AA to be back at full scheduled ops?

On the human side...any employees have injuries from the tornados?

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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12617 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Thread starter):
Just curious if someone has the skinny on how fast the aircraft inspections /needed repairs are coming along? When could one expect AA to be back at full scheduled ops?

I was wondering about this as well.



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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12277 times:

There were supposedly about 60 acft still out of service of the 100+ that were damaged as of late yesterday. Today PHX had 4 cancellations, with one extra section. PHL had 2 cancellations. Tomorrow has one cancellation for each of those two cities as well.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11998 times:

This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11826 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

Well, they can recover the damage via insurance but they cannot recover the money losses. the same thing happened to F9 last summer during the hail storm: 18 airplanes damaged and many flights cancelled. The insurance covered the damage to the airplanes, but not the loss in revenue.

I think AA, for the most part, will be okay.



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User currently offlinedeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1664 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11749 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

To add to what AirframeAS just wrote, we have to remember AA sits on over $4 billion in cash. Most airlines prior that went to ch 11 were sitting on a lot less. Its the cost of doing biz and although not ideal not devastating either.


User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

While not AA, FedEx has 2 MD10's and 1 A300 that are still OTS at DFW. According to one of our aircraft mechanics, the A300 is in pretty bad shape. FedEx has been trucking in equipment from MEM to aid in the repairs.

User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11103 times:

AA confirms on Twitter that 60 planes are damaged

Via @AmericanAir:

With 60 aircraft out of service due to hail damage, flt cxl will occur & long rebooking hold times. Chk http://bit.ly/AASTATUS1 before travel



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User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

Latest update:

Cancellations at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport continued into a third day as American Airlines had 323 cancellations on Thursday.

American spokesman Ed Martelle said the Fort Worth-based carrier still has 57 airplanes out of service. All of American Eagle's aircraft are flying, he said.

Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...-out-of-service.html#storylink=cpy


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10774 times:
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I flew out of DFW yesterday and saw about 7 DL aircraft being expected (2 mainline, the rest were CRJ) AS (1), UA ( 1 737 and 2 ERJ 145), 1 Spirit, and plenty of American aircraft. I saw an abnormal amount of FEDEX and UPS aircraft parked aswell, probably because of the hail.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9909 times:

So what kind of damage did AA's planes suffer? What will the repairs entail?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9797 times:

I wished we could get some pics here......


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User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 10):

Most likely hail damage being usually with a Tornado you do have some at sometime during the storm. Otherwise wind with just stuff flying around that might hit a plane hard enough to where it causes enough damage that the plane needs to get taken out of service for repairs.
A plane is no different then a car when a storm like this hit's but the only difference is the repair shop is going 24/7 unlike the car repair shop!
You can bring in a mechanic or 10 more from other airports to assist with fixing things up a whole lot quicker I herd one time many years ago.
American will be just fine with getting their respective repairs done.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 10):
So what kind of damage did AA's planes suffer? What will the repairs entail?

Most of the damage is concentrated on flight control surfaces and more specifically control surface tabs. The MD-80s are particularly susceptible because they have tons of tabs - control tabs, geared tabs and anti-float tabs on the elevators, as well as control tabs and trim tabs on the ailerons. I've heard of damage to spoilers, flaps and slats too. In some cases, entire ailerons and elevators are being "robbed" from aircraft in scheduled maintenance checks in order to quickly repair damaged aircraft on the line maintenance side. It's generally much quicker and easier to replace an entire control surface than perform extensive structural repairs.

There are also some aircraft with dents and cracks in engine cowlings, upper fuselage skins and other structural pieces, and a lot of static wicks have been broken off by hailstones.



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User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

Didn't one of AA 757 get damaged by debris last year in the tornado that hit the STL airport?

Are all of the AA planes just get hail damage?


User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

I would imagine the foreign flag carriers are glad they avoided it!

QF does not fly on Tuesdays, EK would have already departed and BA/LH diverted.

Can imagine that would be extra hassle for a visitor airline.

I flew into DFW yesterday on QF7, a day after the storms, and it was a beautiful clear day in North Texas. What a difference a day makes!

Hope AA gets their birds back quick (same for other carriers/freighters with grounded assets)


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

People gripe about the weather at ORD. Snow in the winter with storms that dump 1 foot every year or so and the 2-foot storm every 10 years or so. We get gusty winds from the south that mess up the arrival patterns. Then there are the summer thunder storms. And fog and low clouds causes problems every now and then.

But we don't get the hail storms like north Texas. Wasn't there a big hail storm in the spring of 1995 that damaged about 60 AA aircraft? I seem to remember that the schedule was out of kilter for several weeks. An MD-11 really got beat up and had to have repairs, just to get the plane in a condition to fly to TUL.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Well, they can recover the damage via insurance but they cannot recover the money losses.

That's what I mean. I'm sure they're insured, but you can't ensure lost revenue due to loss of use. Or can you? I imagine it would be hideously expensive.


User currently offlinedfw36l From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 89 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

The hail storm was noticeably worse toward the east side of the airport. The hail at the hangars on the west side wasn't very bad. Aircraft at terminals B and D didn't get it as bad as aircraft at A & C and E where it was much worse. So I'm sure it was even worse at the Fed Ex ramp.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Does anyone have further details on a/c damage? Not just AA, but all the airlines and cargo carriers? AA may have taken the brunt of this, but they were not the only airline operating at DFW.

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

AA sat on $4 billion in cash . That cash has been diminishing while operating under chapter 11.

User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 20):
AA sat on $4 billion in cash . That cash has been diminishing while operating under chapter 11.

Not exactly true, From their press release last week. "The company also reported that its unrestricted cash and short-term investments rose to $4.65 billion, up from $4.14 billion on Jan. 31."


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
That's what I mean. I'm sure they're insured, but you can't ensure lost revenue due to loss of use. Or can you?

I can't speak to airlines, but many business have what is called "Business Interuption Insurance" that is defined as follows:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/business-interruption-insurance/
Business interruption insurance compensates a business for certain specified categories of costs in the event of catastrophic events. Three categories that may be covered are 1) profits that would have been realized if the disaster had not occurred; 2) operating expenses that must be paid despite inability to operate; and 3) expenses incurred because business operations had to be moved while damaged original premises were restored for use. This type of protection is also known as business income protection, profit protection, and out-of-business coverage. Freestanding business interruption policies are rarely sold. They tend to be provisions that are part of property insurance policies and so-called "business owners policies" (BOPs).

I would be surprised if airlines didn't have some sort coverage along these lines.


User currently onlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

51 aircraft Remain out of commission

@AmericanAir: @TheABVinay 51 aircraft remain out of service today due to hail damage on Tuesday.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
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Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 2):
There were supposedly about 60 acft still out of service of the 100+ that were damaged as of late yesterday. Today PHX had 4 cancellations, with one extra section. PHL had 2 cancellations. Tomorrow has one cancellation for each of those two cities as well.

Why do these two particular routes have this many cancelled sections? Is it because loads into both PHL & PHX are lower than normal, so they can cancel and re-accommodate, and or, are these all S80 makets for the most part?


25 Acey559 : There are a number of videos on YouTube taken by AA employees during the storm if anyone is interested, and there are even some taken from inside airc
26 N243NW : That definitely won't happen, if you're talking about a full schedule. Things may be "back to normal," in the sense of a reduced schedule having been
27 RyDawg82 : TACA still has an Airbus here OTS. VX ferried a Airbus to MIA yesterday for repair. AS sent a 737-990 to GSO today for repairs. Most MX ramps are stil
28 SJUSXM : Loads certainly aren't lower than normal. PHX in fact is higher than normal it seems to me at least. I only mention these two specifically because I
29 LASAirlinerEnth : Good evening, everyone. I am a long-time reader of the site and this will be my first post. I flew on American out of Las Vegas (LAS) on a business tr
30 DocLightning : Welcome Aboard. Wow! Must have been quite a show. One of the few things I miss about living in the midwest is really strong thunderstorms. If your fl
31 LASAirlinerEnth : Thanks much for the welcome, DocLightning! The storm was indeed quite an enjoyable show to watch. Although it made for a long day, I'm glad the AA an
32 5MillionMiler : Indeed DFW in the Spring time is usually in the line of fire at least once a week as the fronts move through. Get some really big storms there, and as
33 Acey559 : Wow no kidding? That's too bad and for once I can actually say I'm glad to be based at ORD instead of DFW!
34 Post contains links and images ouboy79 : Get ready for another fun week in the Southern Plains. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/
35 KC135TopBoom : Welcome aboard, Tony. Unfortunately the weather forcast for DFW is rain, and thunderstorms for most of this coming week. The chances of a storm in an
36 lasairlinerenth : Thanks for the welcome, KC135TopBoom!
37 lightsaber : Lasairlinerenth, Welcome aboard. I certainly lurked a long time before posting. I can tell you that my 4:30 pm departure on Friday went without a hitc
38 lasairlinerenth : Hey Lightsaber, Thanks for the welcome aboard. It's totally cool to be posting after all the time I spent reading and enjoying the site w/out partici
39 AABB777 : Flew through DFW on Sunday 4/8 and AA's 4:55pm DFW-DCA flight had 80+ pax on the standby list. Not sure if it was related to the wx last week, but I'v
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