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4/2/12 Update On AF/KL Transformation  
User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 626 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Not really specific information just a general update on the transformation plan. Have AF and its unions already agreed on any of these initiatives?
"This objective is included in the framework and methodology agreements signed with the majority of unions representing pilots, flight attendants and ground staff."

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...ientations-du-plan-transform-2015/


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Surprised this thread has zero replies, maybe because nobody read the link and you didn't detail the interesting points in the release, which are:

- developing the Transavia subsidiary under its own or another brand
-> maybe creation of AF express (like IB), or have Transavia take over more short-haul p2p?

- drastic reduction in costs to achieve break-even on short haul in 2014
- Finally, a true, standardized regional division will be created

-> Could this merge the Britair, Regional and Cityjet subsidiaries?

Not part of the release but mentioned by La Tribune is the creation of a 7th connecting bank to depeak the current banks and improve productivity and fleet utilization (at the expense of somewhat longer connecting times).
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...uction-de-son-usine-de-roissy.html

And while not part of AF transformation plan,in june the new S4 will open at CDG, and AF will finally abandon 2D. This should notably improve connections.

Quoting delta2ual (Thread starter):
Have AF and its unions already agreed on any of these initiatives?

According to the release, no, the initiatives are to be discussed.


User currently offlinePhxA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 1):
- developing the Transavia subsidiary under its own or another brand
-> maybe creation of AF express (like IB), or have Transavia take over more short-haul p2p?

I feel like this takes me back to the time of Song and Ted with Delta and United. Instead of creating new airlines within an airline I just feel like it creates too much customer confusion. Why not just bring your domestic costs in line with your competitors if possible ?


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting PhxA340 (Reply 2):
Why not just bring your domestic costs in line with your competitors if possible ?

Well, I think that due to the way the company is set up, existing union agreements etc, it's almost impossible to do. That's why IB has just created a new short-haul airline, IB Express, with a lower cost base (but no difference to the flying pax except the Express "logo"). It will over time take over all short-haul flying, as all new hires will be done at IBX and IB short-haul mainline will gradually disappear through natural attrition. A similar formula could work for AF, say by taking Transavia and turning it into AF Express, for instance.


User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 1):
Surprised this thread has zero replies, maybe because nobody read the link and you didn't detail the interesting points in the release, which are:

I was curious about the union matters so I didn't elaborate. You're right there is much more to the link than what I specified. Thanks for expanding on that.

Quoting PhxA340 (Reply 2):
I feel like this takes me back to the time of Song and Ted with Delta and United. Instead of creating new airlines within an airline I just feel like it creates too much customer confusion. Why not just bring your domestic costs in line with your competitors if possible ?

I think a big part of the reason for the failures of an "airline within an airline" are costs and customer perception/confusion. Every employee that comes in contact with the low-cost operation needs to be low-cost as well. If you have regular F/A's or agents working the flights that make the same pay and benefits as regular personnel you lose a lot of the cost reductions. At DL Express, only the pilots made less and worked more. We (F/A's) and gate agents were the same as mainline and we would/could work both.
At Song, the F/A's were on a different payscale and work rules, but the same benefit package. Another problem with Song was that the service and amenities were often better than mainline in order to compete with jetBlue. Passengers never really understood that discrepancy.
At United, TED was equally confusing. We often substituted the TED 320's for mainline and people didn't understand the lack of FC. Also, the IFE I believe was better. More Econ+ seats. And no full can of soda (unless asked). Plus, again, F/A's and agents made the same. I'm not even sure that pilots were paid less or on different work rules.



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
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