swedenflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5057 times:
I am wondering about Saudi Arabian Airlines' service at IAD. It is strange to me because although the IAD website and SV website say that they fly to IAD, their service seems like a complete mystery to me. Even the signs on the road leading up to the airport still list SV on them. The only other trace of their service I've seen in the airport is an SV sign next to a gate, but the gate is deserted. If EY and EK are starting up at IAD in the near future, is SV going to cease their service to IAD?
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 993 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
Well I flew out of IAD last night... and the SV 777 was there... the crew even passed through security right before we did... So not that much of a mystery to me... lol... I fly quite frequently into IAD and almost always happen to see the SV a/c and crew... they seem to arrive and leave at around the same time we do, as sometimes they're ahead of us or behind us in either immigration or security.
iadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4771 times:
SV has been flying to IAD for at least 20 years. The last several years they have really developed the station well and are going from 5 flights a week to 6 for the summer. As apposed to the past when the flight went through JFK both directions and used a hardstand, they fly nonstop to the kingdom. They have there own ticket counter and share gate A15 with QR. The A and B terminal is the nicest at IAD, and the reason why you don't see the gate all decorated out is that is a shared gate and markings are limited. Nobody uses that gate exept SV from 1400-1800 and then QR gets towed over for there departure later in the evening. Even with the increased compition, they still do well at IAD.
alphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4771 times:
SV are increasing to 6 flights a week (3 to JED, 3 to RUH) so you'll see their 772 (not really a 77L, which is SV's internal code for differentiating the cabin configs on their 772s) at the A gates every day except Tuesday between 1400 and 1800 for the near future.
As for ET and EK entering IAD, it may not have a huge impact on SV as since QR entered, they've only grown (from 2x week to now 6x a week) and most of their current traffic is not as much transfers as it is local. I think EK and ET will have a bigger impact on KL, AF, KE, and some of the others with offering alternate connections to Asia, specifically India. That being said, KL has increased their flights this summer when they've never offered more than daily service so who knows!
yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1733 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
There are a lot of Saudi visitors in the DC area...A quick trip to Tyson's Corner or Tyson's Galleria and you will be sure to come across a lot of Saudis spending money left and right. I don't think EK's entry into the market will cause a dent into their business.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
I think people expect there to be SV staff and a dedicated gate visible at all times. As stated earlier, IAD is a more like the airports in Europe, where multiple carriers share the same gates. You just have to be there at the right time to see them, and 4p-6p is likely the only time to see SV activity within the terminal. Luckily, SV has its own counter with fixed signage, so they're always "present" even if their staff aren't.
hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3715 times:
Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 8): There are a lot of Saudi visitors in the DC area...
Times have sure changed. When I was a little one living in Saudia City, we would occasionally take the US bound flights off of a holiday time and those flights would be deserted. Any time right after a school holiday started, Saudia could have sent three fully packed 747s on those days. But I do remember multiple flights with no more than 50 people on board.
Good for them, they were good to us for 20+ years, I'm glad it's working for them year round.
washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3336 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10): As stated earlier, IAD is a more like the airports in Europe, where multiple carriers share the same gates
This is the case at a lot of American airports these days. I dare say even most international terminals.
I believe IAD Concourse A/B is entirely common use, but in practice the same airlines generally use the same gates every day.
As mentioned, QR and SV usually operate from the same gate with QR's arrival usually being to a hardstand and then a departure from the gate. I believe this is because QR's 77W arrives right in the peak of the international rush and no actual gates are available (SV's flight arrives about an hour earlier). Also probably matches the DOH experience!