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Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens  
User currently offlinebeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

Recently watching a clip of What my Line from Sept 1957 The guest host says he is filling in for John Daly as he is on the First Non Stop Flight from New York to Athens heading on vacation. I have tried searching and seem to keep missing the right keywords or something but I can not find what that flight was (Airline, Eq).
Can anyone please help. Below is the clip at 5m12s he tells about the flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ug8YdXnFZTo

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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3627 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

It likely ether TWA or Pan Am.

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

I think that would have been TWA.

User currently offlinebeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

They were my first guess but I was not able to find anything to support it.

User currently offlineidlewildchild From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

I'm thinking TWA or, on the outside shot, Olympic Airways. TW840 used to go JFK-FCO-ATH-TLV once upon a time. A famous hijacking on that too I believe and a crash too.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

It definitely wasn't Olympic. They had just formed earlier that year and wouldn't fly nonstop to JFK until about a decade later.

User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4997 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

In 1957, the only transport aircraft capable of flying IDL-ATH non-stop with any appreciable load would have been the L1649A, or the DC-7C.

As ATH was TWA "territory" my guess too would be TWA using a L1649A. It had been introduced into passenger service during 1957.



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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5585 times:

Did the plane destroyed in TWA 800 make it's last complete flight on that route?

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25378 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
In 1957, the only transport aircraft capable of flying IDL-ATH non-stop with any appreciable load would have been the L1649A, or the DC-7C.

As ATH was TWA "territory" my guess too would be TWA using a L1649A. It had been introduced into passenger service during 1957.

I don't believe TWA operated IDL-ATH scheduled nonstop service with the L-1649A, unless it was a one-off special flight of some type.

I found the following excerpt from a Boston newspaper item dated November 1957. Sounds like it involved a special Air France demonstration flight from NYC to ATH, no doubt using the L-1649A (AF one of the only 3 customers for the L-1649A).
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/a...nter+Vacation+Preview&pqatl=google

[Edited 2012-04-07 21:05:48]

User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting penguins (Reply 7):
Did the plane destroyed in TWA 800 make it's last complete flight on that route?

Yes the plane's last completed flight was TW881 ATH-JFK.


User currently offlinebeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

My only conflict with the Boston article is that the Live Air date for the show that Daly was on vacation for that week was in Sept '57
The article looks like it says the flight mentioned is in Nov '57


User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4997 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I don't believe TWA operated IDL-ATH scheduled nonstop service with the L-1649A, unless it was a one-off special flight of some type.

I agree. In the TWA timetables I have for 1957, there is no mention of an IDL-ATH non-stop flight. Everything was routed through FCO.

I assumed it was a special demonstration flight, as the L1649A was brand new at the time. I am sure both TWA and Lockheed would have loved to show off the capabilities of the aircraft.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

This April 1, 1958 TWA timetable does not show NYC to ATH non-stops. Every flight to ATH stopped in Rome.

http://timetableimages.com/i-t/tw5804i.jpg

April 24, 1960 shows the same no ATH non-stops, stopped in Rome.
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/tw60/tw60-10.jpg
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/tw60/tw60-11.jpg

I don't think PAA flew to ATH in 1958:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa/pa58/pa58-04.jpg

[Edited 2012-04-08 11:52:43]


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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Marson's book says even the Rome nonstop didn't start until October 1957, and I don't think the book mentions a later Athens nonstop. The 12/57, 4/58 and 7/58 timetables don't show one, so looks like it was a special.

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25378 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 12):
I don't think PAA flew to ATH in 1958:

Pan Am didn't have traffic rights to ATH until much later, around the mid-1980s I think, and then it was only a tag-on from FRA and with no 5th freedom rights FRA-ATH..


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