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John Ostrower Leaving Flightblogger  
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10473 times:

I see where John Ostrower has announced he's done his last post as "Flightblogger" on the Flightglobal website (Flight International). He is going to the Wall Street Journal's Chicago office to be the Boeing beat expert. I've thoroughly enjoyed John's blog and will miss his words & photos. Good job John and best of luck to you at your new position!

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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6972 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Was surprised by the move.
First RunwayGirl, now FlightBlogger...
Oh well! Life goes on I suppose!



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

What!! I cant believe this! Its kinda sudden for me, ive always followed flightblogger and I didnt even realize runwaygirl was gone as well(never really followed her). Well I wish him all the best, as I say to myself sometimes: you have to take opportunities as they come. Hope all goes well for him


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Dumbing down of the WSJ isn't it (sorry Jon) but flighblogger has no particular qualifications to be the Boeing analyst apart from he likes airliners.

I have occasionally enjoyed his blog but as don't count him as a good journalist or insightful or impartial, hes a blogger that waves the flag, that is all.



BV
User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10118 times:
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Never really rated him and especially not that RunwayGir. I saw them presenting once and was shocked at the amature approach.

Glad he's gone on to something better though - that's good.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7555 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
I have occasionally enjoyed his blog but as don't count him as a good journalist
Quoting btblue (Reply 4):
Never really rated him
Quoting btblue (Reply 4):
I saw them presenting once and was shocked at the amature approach.

I'm afraid I have to agree. I wish the guy no ill but he's no great loss. And as for the WSJ... Dreadful paper.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
Dumbing down of the WSJ isn't it (sorry Jon) but flighblogger has no particular qualifications to be the Boeing analyst apart from he likes airliners.

I disagree. He not only knows alot, he was finding out things well ahead of others in the industry. Or atleast talking about them ahead of others. I think this new post will be good if he can focus more again on just Boeing vs the whole industry.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

I beg to differ - I guess it's a case of not realising the target audience and what they were supposed to present, PM etc. I personally know Jon (and he's an a.net member) and I can assure you that he's one of the most knowledged writers in the trade right now. Most of the time he will write his articles in a such way that it would fit his audience the best (which in fact is a talent) and not that he's unqualified. With regards to the presentation mentioned above, that was intentional as they needed it to be fun and not conservative as that is what most people who would watch a web video expect. I am sure that Jon has what it takes to be one of the best Boeing beat reporters for WSJ ever, and I am certain that he'll deliver it. This is nothing biased - ask any of his peers even from a competing publication and they'll tell you the same. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and some may not dislike him - which I respect - but the majority seems to like him and will miss his work.


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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

I've enjoyed reading his posts. I'm sure he will tailor his writing more formally for the WSJ than he did for the blog.

User currently offlinejustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

It's a good move for both, especially the WSJ. They, along with Forbes and Fortune, really seem oblivious to operational type of issues.

User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5329 times:
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Jon brought something to the industry that did not exist before, a (as much as such things can be) reliable, timely, and inside look at the 787 program, as well as covering lots of other stories. By embracing Social Media, Jon was able to connect to a wide-range of people, around the world and in near-real time, giving photos and updates wherever he went.

Whether you "like" Jon or not, he has parlayed his love of airplanes into a career. In my opinion that is worth a ton.

Good luck Jon.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 10):
Jon brought something to the industry that did not exist before, a (as much as such things can be) reliable, timely, and inside look at the 787 program, as well as covering lots of other stories. By embracing Social Media, Jon was able to connect to a wide-range of people, around the world and in near-real time, giving photos and updates wherever he went.

Very well said. Best of luck Jon, I've always enjoyed following your coverage on Flightblogger.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5172 times:

Jon was one Boeing fan, who could always present every new information about the 787 he received from his sources with well-balanded, objective point of view, without flag-waiving cheerleader-like attitude well - known individuals on this forum present all the time (you know who you are!!). I will miss his feedback.

Jon, please accept my wishes of the best luck at your new job. Hope you will continue to post on these pages as well.



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 4):
Quoting btblue (Reply 4):
Never really rated him and especially not that RunwayGir. I saw them presenting once and was shocked at the amature approach.

Maybe they will get more profesional in there new jobs.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8774 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5045 times:

I thought his whole power was that he was not a mainstream journalist. He was getting fed by 2 sides of a dysfunctional company at a level far better than journalists -- or even, it would appear, than the company's own executives half the time.

He certainly displayed a talent for getting the real truth (as opposed to PR!) and that should impress everybody. Still, joining WSJ seems weird somehow. WSJ is always so credulous and so predictably pro-executive. But that is just a casual reaction. Ostrower has a good backbone, so no doubt the work he does for WSJ will be top notch.


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

I have deep respect for Jon and his contributions to bringing out news about the 787 development. It would not have been possible to follow that development as closely without his blog. I believe many A.net members would like to be in his shoes!  

I wish Jon good luck writing for WSJ, and I for one will read WSJ more in the future  



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

I don't get it why he should be unprofessional, his articles have been more factual correct then most articles by aviation journalists, at least in the 18 months I have read him. Always enjoyed his reporting. He was American and based in Seattle, sure there was more 787 then 350 but what was written was fun to read.

Best of luck Jon.



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User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 606 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out why there is all the animosity on this thread.

While perhaps Jon wasn't your favorite journalist, you could rely on him for professional, factual information presented on time or ahead of most other industry sources. His work is far more accurate than perhaps any other writer in the business - certainly more accurate than any aviation story I've ever seen on the likes of CNN or related mainstream publications.

What qualifications do you propose he have? I rather think that there are much more enthusiast-type journalists on the internet who have no qualifications at all other than they like airliners. But Jon is one of the most well-informed sources in the industry, IMO.

Why can't we all just be happy for each other's accomplishments, even if you're not a fan?



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
Dumbing down of the WSJ isn't it (sorry Jon) but flighblogger has no particular qualifications to be the Boeing analyst apart from he likes airliners.

I have occasionally enjoyed his blog but as don't count him as a good journalist or insightful or impartial, hes a blogger that waves the flag, that is all.

I think your words say more about you than him.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7199 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
Dumbing down of the WSJ isn't it (sorry Jon) but flighblogger has no particular qualifications to be the Boeing analyst apart from he likes airliners.

I have met plenty of blithering idiots with degrees coming out their ears; sorry, but formal credentials do not impress me. The best engineer I ever worked with had only a high school education. I have never detected any lack of professionalism in Jon's reporting, and it seemed to be complete and accurate. If there were problems, he usually reported them, and when things were going well he reported that as well. He was not an insider, and so some things escaped him, but his reporting was as good as any. I heartily congratulate him on this move, which I assume is a major step up for him.



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User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
Dumbing down of the WSJ

As a friend of Jon's I wish him all the best. Moving to WSJ is a good move for him if he wants to make a career out of reporting in this industry. However, I understand what you are getting at with your comment about the "dumbing down of the WSJ".

Quoting ferpe (Reply 16):
I don't get it why he should be unprofessional
Quoting AA94 (Reply 17):
What qualifications do you propose he have?

Here is why there is some skepticism throughout this thread. Today, Jon is a blogger. Fundamentally, this is different from being a journalist. In North America, the contemporary ethics of journalism are focused on the reliability of sources, verification of facts before going public with a story, and consideration of a "greater good" when deciding what is newsworthy. If you read through the Flighblogger posts, you will frequently (usually) see that a story is updated multiple times. This happens whenever Jon would gain new information, learn more about a topic, or need to correct something he previously wrote. This is fine when you are a blogger, but you can't do this when you are a journalist for the WSJ.

The editors at the WSJ will set a new bar for Jon, demanding multiple sources for information and rigorous vetting of those sources. The WSJ will not permit Jon to hourly or daily publish corrections to what he has already written, just because he learned something new from a "better" source than he used when his story went to print. All the rules will be different now. The standards will be much higher, and Jon will have to demonstrate he can be a journalist, rather than just an enthusiast who gets tips from industry insiders and blogs about it.


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I've followed IAD 787 since the pre FG days, amazed at the tips he got that Boeing really didn't want out. Yet he handled it where Boeing accepted that you were both reputable and fair, just don't try and hide anything.

The FG Flightblogger gig has been harder to be an investigative reporter. Not sure the reasons Jon was not able to get inside leads to the A350 program like he did with the 787. But less investigation, less breaking news. I'm sure he has also logged far too many miles in flight these last 5 years.

The WSJ has a huge investing / financial frame of mind. I've read it near daily for 35 years. They know the $ side of business but not always the product and production side, which with the 787 he was spot on. I think it is a great match

Jay Kitsap


User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

I, for one, enjoyed reading Jon's posts on blog. On more than one occasion, I shared his posts on Facebook or LinkedIn and some of the pictures found there.

I wish him well!



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8774 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting CM (Reply 20):
The editors at the WSJ will set a new bar for Jon, demanding multiple sources for information and rigorous vetting of those sources. The WSJ will not permit Jon to hourly or daily publish corrections to what he has already written, just because he learned something new from a "better" source than he used when his story went to print. All the rules will be different now. The standards will be much higher, and Jon will have to demonstrate he can be a journalist, rather than just an enthusiast who gets tips from industry insiders and blogs about it.

This is very well stated and logical, but Jon offered one wrinkle to this. He is/was already the best in the world at what he did. Therefore, they ought to hire him as a natural talent to inspire them to dig deeper (socially and logically) into other industrial stories of the day. Imagine what he could do with the investment banking beat. Sure he needs seasoning, but hopefully they don't convince him to lose his personal trademarks. JMO.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

I honestly don't follow his blog, and will likely not follow his work in the WSJ either. I have to note that much of the critique here is opinion without explanation. I find it highly ironic to see posters criticize someone for journalistic imprecision or lack of knowledge while posting with multiple grammatical or spelling errors. There are multiple examples here, but I cite, as an example, the following short post with no fewer than two spelling errors. This isn't meant to single anyone out, but it does not bolster credibility as a media critic to critique a writer with egregious errors in your own posts.

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 13):
Maybe they will get more profesional in there new jobs.


User currently offlinegothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Quoting CM (Reply 20):
Here is why there is some skepticism throughout this thread. Today, Jon is a blogger. Fundamentally, this is different from being a journalist. In North America, the contemporary ethics of journalism are focused on the reliability of sources, verification of facts before going public with a story, and consideration of a "greater good" when deciding what is newsworthy. If you read through the Flighblogger posts, you will frequently (usually) see that a story is updated multiple times. This happens whenever Jon would gain new information, learn more about a topic, or need to correct something he previously wrote. This is fine when you are a blogger, but you can't do this when you are a journalist for the WSJ.

He is not an independent blogger...he works for Flightglobal, a legitimate publisher. In fact most of his articles lately have been on the Flightglobal site, not the FlightBlogger site.


User currently offlinegothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 3):
Dumbing down of the WSJ isn't it (sorry Jon) but flighblogger has no particular qualifications to be the Boeing analyst apart from he likes airliners.

Tell that to the Boeing PR folks who are sent scrambling whenever he breaks a major story, which has happened a number of times.


User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 27, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 25):
most of his articles lately have been on the Flightglobal site, not the FlightBlogger site

In the past 12 months, Jon has made blog entries on 261 separate topics. He has not written nearly as many articles for FG in the same time period.

Quoting gothamspotter (Reply 25):
He is not an independent blogger...he works for Flightglobal, a legitimate publisher.

No argument here. However, Jon made his name (and earned most of his detractors) from his blogging, not his reporting.

Don't misunderstand me. This is not a disparagement of Jon. I know the man. I've done multiple interviews with him and I happen to like him. As a blogger, Jon has been wildly successful and I think he deserves some recognition for breaking a number of key stories about the 787 while working in that role. However, for myself (and apparently others), it remains to be seen if he has what it takes to have the same success in the role of a journalist.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Seems like Stephen Trimble will replace him. Today's post by him:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...movie-monday-and-also-why-jon.html



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 16):
He was American and based in Seattle, sure there was more 787 then 350 but what was written was fun to read.

Actually, he's based in DC if I recall correctly. He definitely spent a lot of time in Seattle on the 787 beat though.

I've always enjoyed his blog and suppose I'll have to check in on him at WSJ from time to time. Glad he's making a career for himself in covering aviation.



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User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

On my hand I have enjoyed many times the insights and the blogs that Jon has granted us with through the FG site.

Although I am disappointed by the loss, I for one am glad that Jon is taking some new challenges up ahead, in a more financial aspect, though. That ought to bring some consolidated industrial aspects to the WSJ's contents on our favorite subject, i.e. airliners!



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