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UA's EWR-EZE Begins  
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

UA's EWR-EZE's inaugural flight was last night. Of course the EZE route was redeployed from IAD.

About 10-12 years ago, pre-merger CO was awarded and intended to launch EWR-EZE. But they surrendered the route authority because the Argentine economy was in shambles.

It is good to see EZE finally being served from EWR. Wonderful, I hope it does well!

I noticed the incoming aircraft for the first flight was from Zurich. I suppose this is a 3 class plane, right?

[Edited 2012-04-07 07:05:01]

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
It is good to see EZE finally being served from EWR. Wonderful, I hope it does well!

EZE and GIG are the obvious missing pieces to CO/UA's EWR Latin network, GIG being previously served nonstop from EWR with DC-10s and later 764s that continued on to Belo Horizonte. When UA was flying JFK-EZE the flight continued on to Montevideo. The other city missing is Santiago Chile, again CO flew this nonstop from EWR with a DC-10.



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User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
EZE and GIG are the obvious missing pieces to CO/UA's EWR Latin network, ...The other city missing is Santiago Chile, again CO flew this nonstop from EWR with a DC-10.

Well, let's hope, when the 787s start rolling in...


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Yes, I remember when GIG and SCL were nonstop from EWR on the DC10. It's too bad they were dropped, the losses must have been too much for them to endure.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
The other city missing is Santiago Chile, again CO flew this nonstop from EWR with a DC-10.

And through LIM with the 757 before we pulled put of SCL.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

So EZE is 3 class service while GRU is 2 class from EWR correct?

I wonder how bookings look from EWR to EZE.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 3):
Yes, I remember when GIG and SCL were nonstop from EWR on the DC10. It's too bad they were dropped, the losses must have been too much for them to endure.

EWR-GIG was a victim of 9/11. The service was never re-established, because Continental lost the frequencies.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
EWR-GIG was a victim of 9/11. The service was never re-established, because Continental lost the frequencies.

I recall that for a time after the route started, it was a night flight to GIG and a daylight return, an exception to the usual night flight both directions.


User currently offlinePDPsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Just a matter of time and aircraft availability, but UA will at some point in the near term, perhaps 18-24 months, restart IAD-EZE. UA had this route to itself and it was extremely popular with the Washington, DC crowd.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
EWR-GIG was a victim of 9/11. The service was never re-established, because Continental lost the frequencies.

This will also hopefully resolve itself when the greater number of US-Brasil frequencies pop up in the near future. EWR-GIG is a great market and UA must be very interested in restarting the route.

UA can service GRU, EZE, BOG and LIM as it does from EWR currently and should be able to add GIG and SCL at some point soon as well.

IAD is also an excellent market for the UA's South America network and the connection possibilities with CM at PTY and AV at BOG and LIM are very interesting indeed. Once CM and AV are fully integrated with Star Alliance and UA, secondary destinations in Brasil and the rest of South America could offer terrific growth opportunities for the carrier and its shareholders!


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):

Yeah I remember this. They had a 10pm or 11pm flight in 2000 with a D10 that flew EWR-GIG. Pretty bad decision to drop this route and never pick it back up.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 9):
Pretty bad decision to drop this route and never pick it back up.

They moved the frequencies to IAH, originally via GRU but now it has it's own route. IAH-GIG is very lucrative. At some point UA will relaunch EWR-GIG.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

I also expect in the near future:
EWR-GIG
IAD-EZE to return

Question: Are they still operating the GRU-GIG leg? As a connection from the IAD flight but available to all passengers on IAH/EWR/ORD-GRU?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
Question: Are they still operating the GRU-GIG leg?

Yes, they should be able to split that off into a separate flight from EWR.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
They moved the frequencies to IAH, originally via GRU but now it has it's own route. IAH-GIG is very lucrative. At some point UA will relaunch EWR-GIG.

It's a strategic necessity (not just financial one), since TAM is about to commit treason, and UA, as a founding member of Star Alliance (one of the 5 stars on the logo), must defend its turf in South America.

On a separate note, would IAH-SCL ever see daylight ? (no pun intended)


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
I also expect in the near future:
EWR-GIG

If EWR-EZE isn't successful then expect it to be moved back to IAD as well.



"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):

Yes, they should be able to split that off into a separate flight from EWR.

I guess if they are operating EWR and IAH to GIG, there is no need for the GRU-GIG leg since ORD & IAD passengers could connect. Perhaps they'll bring back another deep South American tag-on...


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
They moved the frequencies to IAH

No, only 3x weekly frequencies were moved to IAH. The DOT did not accept Continental's dormancy waiver request for the other 4x weekly frequencies that were supposed to fund the resumption of service.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 15):
Perhaps they'll bring back another deep South American tag-on...

Between CO and UA they've had the following tag flights:

JFK-EZE-MVD
EWR-GIG-CNF
EWR-BOG-UIO
EWR-PTY-GYU
JFK-CCS-POS
IAH-SJO-Barranquila
IAH-SJO-Cali
IAH-LIM-VVI
EWR-LIM-SCL



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):

Most of these they should bring back from IAH.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):

Most of these they should bring back from IAH.

If United does upgauge some of the 757 TATL routes out of EWR, they're gonna have to redeploy them somewhere and IAH-South America flights seems like a natural fit. There are only a handful of TATL routes out of IAD and ORD that could get the 757, and we've already seen IAD get most of them (MAN and DUB).


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
Most of these they should bring back from IAH.

Cali should be tried from EWR, huge Colombian population in North Bergen and parts of Monmouth County. Bolivia, La Paz and Santa Cruz, are developing energy centers that would do well with a connection to Houston.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 19):
they're gonna have to redeploy them somewhere and IAH-South America flights seems like a natural fit.

I agree! They're perfect for most routes in Amazonian countries.


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

I hear rumors of UA/CO going back to SCL every once in a while. Before merger both UA and CO operated MIA-SCL and EWR-SCL (EWR-LIM-SCL towards the end) and I do agree that UA needs to open SCL back up at some point. I wonder if SCL is ripe to give EWR-SCL another shot though (remember that LA is all over JFK) or would they go with IAH-SCL. I think for all atlantic coasters like me who consider IAH (and DFW for that matter) "backtracking" when flying to deep South Am IAH is out of the way. I am trying to see where UA goes with this and here is what I think: AA flies to SCL from MIA and DFW so I always thought that IAH-SCL on a 763 might work. I know that tag-ons are not popular (because they are expensive) but since IAD is more O&D traffic for EZE and SCL why not start with a IAD-EZE-SCL on a 772.

Is Delta looking to butt heads with LA at JFK? If I was Delta I would think about SCL-JFK soon and keep UA out....just a thought.

Rudy from IAD



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Cali should be tried from EWR,

IAH-CLO was a weak performer from the start and I would be very surprised to see it return via EWR.

The issue with VVI and Bolivia in general is that their largest reserves are in natural gas, of which the supply is currently too great. With tremendous availability of natural gas on US soil, the foreign investment in Bolivian natural gas is probably some years away.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Cali should be tried from EWR, huge Colombian population in North Bergen and parts of Monmouth County. Bolivia, La Paz and Santa Cruz, are developing energy centers that would do well with a connection to Houston.

Just because there are populations in NJ doesn't mean it can justify a year round daily flight. Look at the winter suspension of EWR-FCO and how many Italians live in NJ.

IAH is the *official* Latam gateway for UA and thus if any new destinations are added, they will be from there to maximize connections. (aside EWR-GIG if they can ever get it approved.)



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 24):
aside EWR-GIG if they can ever get it approved

I think they would get it approved if they actually applied for it in an upcoming round of frequency allocations, although that might not even be required since full US-Brazil open skies should happen by 2015. The issue is that they haven't made an application for EWR-GIG.

Prior to the oil boom, GIG was a lower-yielding market than GRU, especially from the NYC area. Those tables have turned a bit, but UA seems to believe the market is adequately served via IAH and the tag from GRU. With the impending defection of TAM to oneworld, I think UA is taking a cautious route in terms of capacity to Brazil.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 26, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 25):
I think they would get it approved if they actually applied for it in an upcoming round of frequency allocations, although that might not even be required since full US-Brazil open skies should happen by 2015. The issue is that they haven't made an application for EWR-GIG.

There are currently enough frequencies in the unallocated pool for an immediate launch of flights to GIG. That's not what's stopping CO at the moment. Perhaps they will wait for the domestic-to-international conversion of the 763 to be complete.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
I also expect in the near future:
EWR-GIG

If EWR-EZE isn't successful then expect it to be moved back to IAD as well.

I doubt it will perform worse. NYC is a larger market. UA wasted no time redeploying this route. Not a good sign for IAD-EZE.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):

Most of these they should bring back from IAH.

CLO, UIO and GYE at least.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 23):
IAH-CLO was a weak performer from the start and I would be very surprised to see it return via EWR.

Times change and Colombia is now booming.

Pity a Ejet can't make it IAH-CLO...but the 319 can....



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5857 times:
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Quoting CODC10 (Reply 25):
I think they would get it approved if they actually applied for it in an upcoming round of frequency allocations, although that might not even be required since full US-Brazil open skies should happen by 2015. The issue is that they haven't made an application for EWR-GIG.

Prior to the oil boom, GIG was a lower-yielding market than GRU, especially from the NYC area. Those tables have turned a bit, but UA seems to believe the market is adequately served via IAH and the tag from GRU. With the impending defection of TAM to oneworld, I think UA is taking a cautious route in terms of capacity to Brazil.

And changed a lot.
Rio now " fights " for every potential investment and attracts many of them without a big fight. It's a market with critical mass: Pimco just decided to open their Latam Office in Rio because of the financial industry in the city. Cisco decided to open an R&D center because the city proved to be a strong R&D market. National Bank of Canada decided to have their South American office in Rio because of oil & gas. IBM announced a partnership with EBX Group (from Mr. Eike Batista). Simon Property (from IND) announced a partnership with BRMalls (HQ in Rio) to build Premium outlets, ... This all happens in ... one week.
And Microsoft is about to announce an investment in Rio also, and the Memphis ATP Tour is expected to move... to Rio.

It is a matter of time to see EWR-GIG.

And now with both governments with the formal focus to end with the non-sense Visa... tourism can explod.
Today they announced that consulates will be open in Porto Alegre and Belo Horizonte.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):

IAH-CLO preformed terribly. It won't be back.

IAH-UIO is already flown daily and does quite well.

IAH-GYE has potential and could return, but I doubt it's on UA's priority list.



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User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 26):
There are currently enough frequencies in the unallocated pool for an immediate launch of flights to GIG. That's not what's stopping CO at the moment. Perhaps they will wait for the domestic-to-international conversion of the 763 to be complete.

Or they're waiting for the 788s. With the 763 conversions, the 764 retrofits and the removal of the 762s from service, there isn't a lot of slack in the widebodies these days. The flight may not be on a 788, but once the 788s are in the fleet, they can switch a couple more flights around (especially if they axe the wierd IAH-AKL route announced by PMCO...)


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 24):
IAH is the *official* Latam gateway for UA and thus if any new destinations are added, they will be from there to maximize connections.

I agree with you about IAH Latam Status. The problem is that IAH is out of the way for east coasters.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 33, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 24):
Just because there are populations in NJ doesn't mean it can justify a year round daily flight. Look at the winter suspension of EWR-FCO and how many Italians live in NJ.

That's one example, you could also look at EWR-TLV (2x daily UA, 1 El Al), EWR-LIS (1 each UA and Tap) etc..



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 32):

They sure seem to route a lot of East Coast pax through the IAH to S. America. They even rely on EWR pax to connect at IAH to some destinations (GIG)

Quoting STT757 (Reply 33):

Well for TLV there is more than enough demand from EWR. LIS arguably the most O&D from any other US city so both carriers on the route makes sense. IIRC, TAP has a booking office in downtown Newark. FCO I would have thought there would have been more than enough during the winter but apparently not so when IAD is right down the road.

From EWR to South America not all will work. Hence why IAH fits the bill.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 35, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
FCO I would have thought there would have been more than enough during the winter but apparently not so when IAD is right down the road.

EWR-MXP is unaffected, it's FCO that has gone seasonal. And as I mentioned in another thread there are many Italians who fly directly to/from their Regions (Calabria, Bari etc) to EWR via MUC or other European hubs. They avoid AZ and FCO like the plague.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):
EWR-MXP is unaffected, it's FCO that has gone seasonal. And as I mentioned in another thread there are many Italians who fly directly to/from their Regions (Calabria, Bari etc) to EWR via MUC or other European hubs. They avoid AZ and FCO like the plague.

This is a good point. LH offers a multitude of one-stop options to regional Italian airports that offer time savings over a nonstop flight to FCO/MXP followed by a ground transfer or flight on AZ. Plus, UA can revenue share with LH. Between mainline LH and Air Dolomiti, the Lufthansa group has exceptionally good coverage of Italy from MUC.

As a result of the chaotic check-in and security procedures for flights to the USA ex-FCO, I always depart from other airports or connect from FCO when heading home. The process at Rome is rather unpleasant.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 33):
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 24):
Just because there are populations in NJ doesn't mean it can justify a year round daily flight. Look at the winter suspension of EWR-FCO and how many Italians live in NJ.

That's one example, you could also look at EWR-TLV (2x daily UA, 1 El Al), EWR-LIS (1 each UA and Tap) etc..

EWR-CLO would have done better than IAH-CLO simply due to the local market present and lack of any real IAH-CLO market. However, I still don't think EWR-CLO would be a winner. There is a big pricing disparity between BOG and the rest of the country where there is little to no business traffic from the US outside of South Florida. Traffic between the US and places like MDE and CLO are definitely growing, but I'm not sure that they sustainable just yet for US carriers outside of South Florida.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 30):
IAH-GYE has potential and could return, but I doubt it's on UA's priority list.

See secondary Colombia without the growing local wealth and connections. CO never seemed to figure out how to make GYE work as it was a tag for years, then operated from EWR/IAH, then just IAH before being axed. Such route schizophrenia tells me that it never really worked from anywhere. There's a huge market from NYC, but it is mainly price-sensitive coach traffic traveling 1,000+ more miles than MIA-GYE which fetches essentially the same fare.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 34):
FCO I would have thought there would have been more than enough during the winter but apparently not so when IAD is right down the road.

The problem with FCO is on the European side of the Atlantic, even DL is suspending JFK-FCO for the Winter.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 22):
I wonder if SCL is ripe to give EWR-SCL another shot though (remember that LA is all over JFK) or would they go with IAH-SCL.

UA will most likely fly IAH-SCL and AA would respond by increasing frequency on the DFW-SCL route to 10x weekly.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 22):
Is Delta looking to butt heads with LA at JFK? If I was Delta I would think about SCL-JFK soon and keep UA out....just a thought.

Competition between DL and LA/JJ will increase when LA launches BOG-JFK, (DL already competes with JJ on the JFK-GRU route). Interestingly, there have been rumors that DL is considering launching a "new route" into SCL, most likely from JFK. DL is already well established at SCL and the ATL-SCL route preforms very well for DL.


User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
Question: Are they still operating the GRU-GIG leg? As a connection from the IAD flight but available to all passengers on IAH/EWR/ORD-GRU?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Yes, they should be able to split that off into a separate flight from EWR.

Yes, they are operating this flight daily. IAD-GRU-GIG. They will continue to operate this flight for the foreseeable future as there are too many GIG customers to funnel them all into the IAH flight.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 41, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 40):

Yes, they are operating this flight daily. IAD-GRU-GIG. They will continue to operate this flight for the foreseeable future as there are too many GIG customers to funnel them all into the IAH flight.

The problem is that the CRS currently does not allow all possible connections. GIG-GRU-EWR is allowed, while EWR-GRU-GIG isn't. Both GIG-GRU-IAH and IAH-GRU-GIG are also forbidden.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

In my view, the airlines from the United States have tried to transform a standard EZE like GRU, offering long-haul flights from several airports from the USA: IAH, MIA, JFK, ORD and EWR.
AA ORD-EZE was dropped in 2008 and I'm not completely sure if UA ever flew that segment as well.

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/avia...honolulu-boston-san-diego-flights/




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Quoting PDPsol (Reply 8):
IAD is also an excellent market for the UA's South America network and the connection possibilities with CM at PTY and AV at BOG and LIM are very interesting indeed.

Bear in mind UA EWR-PTY and UA EWR-BOG can supply connections through EWR at this time.
I'm not sure if UA would open a new transferring center at IAD which is relatively close to EWR.
CM PTY-IAD and AV BOG-IAD are rather focusing for the O&D market. Furthermore, the northbound flight into CM PTY-IAD is not properly timed for this purpose.




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Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
EWR-BOG-UIO
EWR-PTY-GYU

The former CO flew:

CO IAH-SJO-CLO 4x weekly
CO IAH-SJO-BAQ 3x weekly
CO IAH-PTY-UIO 4x weekly
CO IAH-PTY-GYE 3x weekly
CO IAH-TGU-SAP-IAH. 7x weekly

Source: Continental Airlines. International timetable. July 1994.




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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 30):
IAH-CLO preformed terribly. It won't be back.

I totally agreed with.
UA asked to Aerocivil from Colombia more frequencies into UA EWR-BOG and UA IAH-BOG.
None of the secondary airports in Colombia were taken into account.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 43, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 42):
In my view, the airlines from the United States have tried to transform a standard EZE like GRU, offering long-haul flights from several airports from the USA: IAH, MIA, JFK, ORD and EWR.

You omitted both ATL and DFW. AA operates DFW-EZE daily and DL operates ATL-EZE daily.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 44, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3256 times:
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My hope is that this is step one. TAM leaving will be a terrible blow to UA and Star. They at least need as many O&D routes as makes sense. I don't know what the TAM JFK-GRU loads are, but aren't they moving up to the 777-300? The A330 on the JFK-GIG nonstop is a very difficult flight to get on (in business) the ac is always full but I do know cargo is key. But when that goes, everything from NYC, IAD and ORD is a 2 leg trip.

I can't imagine not seeing a UA 767 EWR to GIG non-stop announced soon!



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User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

If Aunty K keeps running the country the way she is, there wont be much of a premium left. Thats an aweful lobg flight to have weak premium demand on.

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 46, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
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Quoting sflaflight (Reply 45):

Who is Aunty K? Obama?

If so it's the first time I have seen a political posting here. If this is a political comment I don't like seeing A.net going in that direction. I get enough of it everywhere else.

If I am mistaken, then I am sorry for my comment.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2635 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 46):
Who is Aunty K? Obama?

No the current President of Argentina.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 44):
I don't know what the TAM JFK-GRU loads are, but aren't they moving up to the 777-300?

Based on the Brazilian aviation thread, JJ JFK-GRU might be upgraded from 332 to 77W this year.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 27):
I doubt it will perform worse. NYC is a larger market. UA wasted no time redeploying this route. Not a good sign for IAD-EZE.

I am sure it is gone for good. After retreating from MIA, UA made IAD their main Latin America gateway. IAD was not an ideal gateway but it has room for just about anything and it was already the main European gateway. With the merger, IAH is the main gateway while EWR can command a greater non-stop premium.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 50, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 49):
With the merger, IAH is the main gateway while EWR can command a greater non-stop premium.

IAD-EZE also drew a reasonable amount of connecting traffic from the NYC airports, and the WAS-EZE local market is tiny compared to NYC. The move made a lot of sense.


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