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Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser  
User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

What airlines do you think will purchase the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, and why?
DeltaOwnsAll

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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Both American and Contiental sound really impresses with it and have said they would order it. This is IF it meets the guarantees by Boeing which won't be that easy.

User currently offlineSkychuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Any long-haul operator who wants a bigger slice of the premium fare traffic would have to consider the BSC. Time is money...

User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

I think it will be primarily airlines that count on business travelers for a lot of their revenue. Primarily BA,AA,CO,UA,Delta and Lufthansa. Boeing will sell a few of the airplanes, but I think the Sonic Cruiser will make costs too high to consider it a succesful aircraft. The hour it will save crossing the Atlantic is not enough for someone on vacation to pay the extra cost.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Lufthansa have ruled it out I think.

User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Yeah, the Concorde is more worth the money.

-Notar520AC



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

But sadly Concorde cannot go on forever. BA will probably buy the SC if it looks viable. It would be useful on long-range routes where the time saved is more worthwhile, and the SC would fit in well with BA's current business plans.
Eventually it would be used on the North Atlantic route too, but what BA really want is a viable Mach 2 aircraft. Trouble is, apart from the probably insurmountable techincal and enviromental hurdles, BA are about the only airline who have expressed the desire for such an aircraft in recent years.


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

DeltaOwnsAll What airlines do you think will purchase the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, and why?

These are cute questions, DeltaOwnsAll, especially at this completely preliminary stage of the SC's product development. But CV640's given some clues, of course AA and CO as mighty big Boeing customers in their own right, would be expected to declare interest early-on, in using the plane.

I think really just wait a few years first and see not just how the rest of the industry evolves, but also what more comes out of Boeing HQ beyond just a conceptual design picture, at an inaugural press conference for it.


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

I proposed: luxair, Sabena, Pan am and ... Tarom

LOL  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

I could be wrong but I thought that boeing decided not to even make the BSC or was it the 747X?


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User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

That was the 747X.
DeltaOwnsAll


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Since Boeing and Airbus have effectively conceded the super-jumbo and the high-sonic markets to each other, I would expect both aircraft to be scrutinized by all major and many minor airlines.

If there is a unique product that appears to be viable for your fleet, you won´t care whether you´re a longtime customer of that specific manufacturer.

The only thing that will count is whether it´s viable. And for the SC we will know when Boeing will have frozen the design and is starting formal offers with fixed specs.

This will get interesting. Good luck to them!


User currently offlineB757-223 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

In the U.S., United and American have already placed their orders for the Sonic Cruiser. I think British Airways, Qantas, and SQ will also. Just my two cents.

Regards,
B757-223


User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I wouldn't compare the Sonic Cruiser with the Concorde. It's a complelty different design.

If the Sonic Cruiser will become reality, and if it will be fuel-efficient, it could become a best-seller, which every airline will need to stay in the business.

It could bring the same revolution as the first jetliners, which replaced the propliners. Of course, it will need some 5-15 years until the Sonic Cruiser will become a "must" for the airline, but who knows, perhaps the SC will be the future of aviation...

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

B757-223: In the U.S., United and American have already placed their orders for the Sonic Cruiser.

I find that just a little unlikely, since both actual performance and price of the product are still unknown. Not to speak of it´s catalog number...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Yes B757-300, could you provide maybe a few details, about these alleged UA and AA SC orders? (like..press release dates.. quantities.. cost figures would be nice. Anything  Big grin)

User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

sorry, typo on the name there, B757-223  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineB808/A400 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

1. Boeing people aren't idiots. They wouldn't dive into a project that received any
less than strong interest.

2. SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.


With that in mind, long haul operators, especially those that might carry business
customers, will be interested. Cathay, BA, AA, CO, among others. If the ticket
price is not too much above normal, maybe even high volume airlines like Quantas
will be interested. One thing for sure, SC won't be like the Concorde. It won't be nearly
as expensive and will have phenomenal range. If you consider the fact that
on very long trips, layovers can add up to 5 or more hours, the range offers
almost as much time savings as speed.


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

so boeing did not dive into the b2707, the b747-X and into the b767-400? oh - what about the 747sp? anyway - i dont think that such mishaps make one an idiot.

r.


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

B808/A400 1. Boeing people aren't idiots.

I don't know about you but I haven't seen a whole lot of people,at ALL, say that they are. So why present it here, in such stark and defensive terms?


SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.


Well I heard 9500, but anyway it's a completely moot point. There's only one REAL major unreachable city-pair out there right now, which is SYD-LHR . Especially after the 345 and 772LR get in service, very shortly.

Anyway the main thing is, seems to me anyway, not much point speculating about any of the business-related aspects of the craft, at least not for another few years until Boeing starts releasing some news about how the development's going, and what the specifications are gonna be.



User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

If the Sonic Cruiser (which I think Boeing should start calling the 787) can meet the range of the 744,772.773,MD-11,and A340, I think UAL would be a prospective customer in its quest to chop a few more hours off those long,long flights to HKG,SYD, and the like.



L.1011  Sad


User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Any chance of DL purchasing the BSC?
DeltaOwnsAll


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

If AA/UA orders SC, I wouldn't be surprised that DL/CO/NW will orders them as well. It would be a hugh competition if one of those airline didn't buy SC when the others orders them.

SIA is also evaluating SC too.


User currently offlineCatpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

B808/A400,

You claim that SC will be able to go anywhere,...well it is a twin, so ETOPS will prevent a few routes,...


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6305 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

The only one of the four you mentioned with signifigant development costa was the 2707. The 2707 costs were paid by the government of the US, as were the costs on the Concorde paid by the governments of Britain and France. The others did take a bit of engineering but they were/are/will be built on the same line as their more successful brethern.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
25 B808/A400 : How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle, like in the Concorde. Besides, who says it can't be developed to have an ETOPS rati
26 Post contains images Mark_D. : B808/A400 How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle Yes, and talk about reserving the right to make design changes, too! The b
27 SSTjumbo : A plane doesn't have to be sold in mass numbers to be successful, it just has to have a consistent market IMP&HO. Yes, this is an aviation forum, but
28 Cedarjet : There is a market for the SC but it doesn't seem to be REPLACING any particular aircraft. There are biz travellers who would like to pay an extra 20%
29 Go Canada! : Mark_D.-if some one wants to start a topic and you dont like it, then dont comment on it. Whats wrong with us speculating on how would take up the son
30 JAL : JAL, AA, BA, SIA, Emirates, QF, CX are just some potential customers for the Sonic Cruiser. Eric(JAL)
31 Srbmod : We can speculate until the cows come home on this one. Until Boeing says, "Hey we're going to build the Sonic Cruiser, so airlines open your chequeboo
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