Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1824 times:
I think it will be primarily airlines that count on business travelers for a lot of their revenue. Primarily BA,AA,CO,UA,Delta and Lufthansa. Boeing will sell a few of the airplanes, but I think the Sonic Cruiser will make costs too high to consider it a succesful aircraft. The hour it will save crossing the Atlantic is not enough for someone on vacation to pay the extra cost.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12950 posts, RR: 79 Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
But sadly Concorde cannot go on forever. BA will probably buy the SC if it looks viable. It would be useful on long-range routes where the time saved is more worthwhile, and the SC would fit in well with BA's current business plans.
Eventually it would be used on the North Atlantic route too, but what BA really want is a viable Mach 2 aircraft. Trouble is, apart from the probably insurmountable techincal and enviromental hurdles, BA are about the only airline who have expressed the desire for such an aircraft in recent years.
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
DeltaOwnsAll What airlines do you think will purchase the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, and why?
These are cute questions, DeltaOwnsAll, especially at this completely preliminary stage of the SC's product development. But CV640's given some clues, of course AA and CO as mighty big Boeing customers in their own right, would be expected to declare interest early-on, in using the plane.
I think really just wait a few years first and see not just how the rest of the industry evolves, but also what more comes out of Boeing HQ beyond just a conceptual design picture, at an inaugural press conference for it.
Airways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
I wouldn't compare the Sonic Cruiser with the Concorde. It's a complelty different design.
If the Sonic Cruiser will become reality, and if it will be fuel-efficient, it could become a best-seller, which every airline will need to stay in the business.
It could bring the same revolution as the first jetliners, which replaced the propliners. Of course, it will need some 5-15 years until the Sonic Cruiser will become a "must" for the airline, but who knows, perhaps the SC will be the future of aviation...
B808/A400 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1738 times:
1. Boeing people aren't idiots. They wouldn't dive into a project that received any
less than strong interest.
2. SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.
With that in mind, long haul operators, especially those that might carry business
customers, will be interested. Cathay, BA, AA, CO, among others. If the ticket
price is not too much above normal, maybe even high volume airlines like Quantas
will be interested. One thing for sure, SC won't be like the Concorde. It won't be nearly
as expensive and will have phenomenal range. If you consider the fact that
on very long trips, layovers can add up to 5 or more hours, the range offers
almost as much time savings as speed.
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
B808/A400 1. Boeing people aren't idiots.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen a whole lot of people,at ALL, say that they are. So why present it here, in such stark and defensive terms?
SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.
Well I heard 9500, but anyway it's a completely moot point. There's only one REAL major unreachable city-pair out there right now, which is SYD-LHR . Especially after the 345 and 772LR get in service, very shortly.
Anyway the main thing is, seems to me anyway, not much point speculating about any of the business-related aspects of the craft, at least not for another few years until Boeing starts releasing some news about how the development's going, and what the specifications are gonna be.
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
If the Sonic Cruiser (which I think Boeing should start calling the 787) can meet the range of the 744,772.773,MD-11,and A340, I think UAL would be a prospective customer in its quest to chop a few more hours off those long,long flights to HKG,SYD, and the like.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6244 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
The only one of the four you mentioned with signifigant development costa was the 2707. The 2707 costs were paid by the government of the US, as were the costs on the Concorde paid by the governments of Britain and France. The others did take a bit of engineering but they were/are/will be built on the same line as their more successful brethern.
Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
25 B808/A400: How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle, like in the Concorde. Besides, who says it can't be developed to have an ETOPS rati
26 Mark_D.: B808/A400 How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle Yes, and talk about reserving the right to make design changes, too! The b
27 SSTjumbo: A plane doesn't have to be sold in mass numbers to be successful, it just has to have a consistent market IMP&HO. Yes, this is an aviation forum, but
28 Cedarjet: There is a market for the SC but it doesn't seem to be REPLACING any particular aircraft. There are biz travellers who would like to pay an extra 20%
29 Go Canada!: Mark_D.-if some one wants to start a topic and you dont like it, then dont comment on it. Whats wrong with us speculating on how would take up the son
30 JAL: JAL, AA, BA, SIA, Emirates, QF, CX are just some potential customers for the Sonic Cruiser. Eric(JAL)
31 Srbmod: We can speculate until the cows come home on this one. Until Boeing says, "Hey we're going to build the Sonic Cruiser, so airlines open your chequeboo