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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13354 times:

So since thread number 8 reached 200 posts, I start this new one with the last things we discussed on the previous:

Here's the new routes granted by the Aerocivil:


So, colombian Aerocivil has authorized frequencies to various airlines for international routes:

BOG-CUN for AV and AM, daily flights.
SJO-BOG-BSB for TA (LR), 4 weekly flights.
FLL-BOG-LIM for NK, daily flights.
BOG-SJO for AV, daily flights.
MDE-SAL for TA, 3 weekly flights.
CLO-SAL for TA, 3 weekly flights.
BOG-MAD for LA (4C), daily flights.
MDE-MEX for AV, daily flights.
BOG-MAD for AV, one frequency transfer from CLO and two frequencies extended.
Colombia-Spain for AV, three new weekly flights.
BOG-HAV, 5 extra weekly for AV and CM*, to make it daily for both (guess the bilateral was revised).
BOG-PTY-SJO-GUA for CM*, 2 weekly flights.
MDE-PTY-SDQ for CM*, daily flights.

On the domestic side,

MDE-BGA for AV, daily.
MDE-CUC for AV, daily.

Summa767 pointed out the subject of BOG-LIM finally having a low-cost connection which is very important, and I want to point out that it will also be the first northern south america corridor with such link. Low fares on the two and a half hour segment will be welcome. AV's blockage of the MDE-MEX route is evident, while the newly requested services to CUC and BGA from MDE could start up anytime due to the competition from Viva.

Also, BOG-BSB by TA is an interesting new prospect.

The frequencies to spain were granted very fairly between competitors.

And AVTA is rumored to be interested in TP (i know it has it's own thread, but it still exciting news!)

Anything else?  

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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13567 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
And AVTA is rumored to be interested in TP (i know it has it's own thread, but it still exciting news!)

I read that last week. Honestly, I don't think how that could happen. But if you ask me, it could be more of a Synergy group kind on interest on TP that AV-TA really. Or even maybe the portuguese goverment just naming people who "might" be interested. Is very common on the financial sector for competitors to "pose" as interested buyers of a institution being in the process of sale, just to take a peep in its numbers. Maybe Efromovich is just curious and want to take a look inside of TP's traffic numbers between this part of the world (Venezuela and Brazil) and Portugal/Europe. He might get excited and try to snatch the company and something like he did with AV. Anyway, just making the assumption he's really interested in the airline, I've read LH is also behind it. I bet the germans might be happy Efromovich is looking at it, to keep TP in the alliance and not letting BA snatch it.

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
BOG-MAD for LA (4C), daily flights.
Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
BOG-MAD for AV, one frequency transfer from CLO and two frequencies extended.
Colombia-Spain for AV, three new weekly flights.

This market will become a blood bath indeed. Thanks god for competition!!!!!



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
Honestly, I don't think how that could happen. But if you ask me, it could be more of a Synergy group kind on interest on TP that AV-TA really.

Indeed. There's a lot of reasons AV-TA on their own could find it very hard support an acquisition of that size. Mommy Synergy would have to come into place.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
Or even maybe the portuguese goverment just naming people who "might" be interested. Is very common on the financial sector for competitors to "pose" as interested buyers of a institution being in the process of sale, just to take a peep in its numbers.

That is indeed true. This happens every time, but it's still a possibility. Efromovich's buyout of Avianca started as a far-fetched rumor too. He has very deep pockets also.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
Anyway, just making the assumption he's really interested in the airline, I've read LH is also behind it. I bet the germans might be happy Efromovich is looking at it, to keep TP in the alliance and not letting BA snatch it.

That's very true, but LH are having their own issues to sort out right now (finishing the BMI venture which was clearly unsuccessful and trying to bring OS back from the dead), so they might want to enter discussion with Synergy to make a joint bid or something. It's all very interesting news. I could also see it as a strategic move from Synergy and AviancaTaca to remind the Star Alliance that they are a valuable addition with all the LATAM pressure going around.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
This market will become a blood bath indeed. Thanks god for competition!!!!!

Some 18-24 months from now I could see the Colombia-Spain market being like this,

In the case that Spain finally gains some minimal economical stability

AV

BOG-MAD 12 weekly
BOG-BCN 5 weekly
CLO-MAD 6 weekly
MDE-MAD 4 weekly

IB

BOG-MAD 12-13 weekly

LA

BOG-MAD 7 weekly

In the case Spain continues to crumble as an economy,

AV

BOG-MAD 11 weekly
BOG-BCN 5 weekly
CLO-MAD 5 weekly
MDE-MAD 3 weekly

IB

BOG-MAD 10-11 weekly

LA

BOG-MAD 7 weekly

Im basing this prediction on the frequencies that have been acquired lately by the airlines and the general behavior of the market during the last couple of years, plus knowing that lower fares will expand demand and that the market is a bit underserved too.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13411 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
but LH are having their own issues to sort out right now (finishing the BMI venture which was clearly unsuccessful and trying to bring OS back from the dead),

That's why I guess LH would be more than happy to let AV-TA put up that fight instead of themselves, and sabve valuable resources for their own troubled subsidiaries.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
so they might want to enter discussion with Synergy to make a joint bid or something

Don't think so.....but who really knows, this situation might end up in the funnies and weirdest way possible.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
I could also see it as a strategic move from Synergy and AviancaTaca to remind the Star Alliance that they are a valuable addition with all the LATAM pressure going around.

Sure. Any alliance would love to have such a member, with a hub in Europe and multi-hub operation in southamerica.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
Efromovich's buyout of Avianca started as a far-fetched rumor too.

But this time is diferent. Now he has proved everyone that he can run an airline succesfully. When he bought AV, many employees thought it was a really bad thing, but it turned out differently. The portuguese government might be interested in knowing that TP could be turned around the same way AV was, thus, saving thousands of local jobs, which are more than scarce these days in Portugal.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
plus knowing that lower fares will expand demand and that the market is a bit underserved too.

This is the good thing. I bet things will improve for the customer.


777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
That's why I guess LH would be more than happy to let AV-TA put up that fight instead of themselves, and sabve valuable resources for their own troubled subsidiaries.

Probably so.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
Sure. Any alliance would love to have such a member, with a hub in Europe and multi-hub operation in southamerica.

That too. But I was referring to AVTA ans Synergy reminding the Star members of their actual size by demonstrating they could be able to buy TP, not to mention keeping TP in the alliance which would be a valuable thing.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
But this time is diferent. Now he has proved everyone that he can run an airline succesfully. When he bought AV, many employees thought it was a really bad thing, but it turned out differently. The portuguese government might be interested in knowing that TP could be turned around the same way AV was, thus, saving thousands of local jobs, which are more than scarce these days in Portugal.

Yes, it's different alright. But it's still a far-fetched rumor, we'll see how it evolves.

On other news, apparently AV will be launching BOG-MAR flights in july:

http://noticiaaldia.com/2012/04/coor...uelos-maracaibo-bogota-para-julio/

Very welcome link too. Daily A318 I would guess?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13104 times:

Are the days of operation and arrival/departure times of the BOG-BSB-BOG flight known already? I never expected this route to happen, what's the reason AV/TA start this route? Is there a lot of demand between these two cities?

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13117 times:

Also, I know this is not entirely related to Colombian aviation but it is linked to it. What's the status on the AV A332 going to TA to operate out of LIM? I read that it will be used on flights to MIA as well? If so, is this just for crew familiarisation purposes or will TA use the A332 to MIA consistantly? How many A332's will TA be getting?

I hope TA will re-introduce the parrots on their A332 as they had them on their A321 but with more and bigger parrots:



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A388

[Edited 2012-04-10 10:35:11]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13073 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Are the days of operation and arrival/departure times of the BOG-BSB-BOG flight known already

I'm not sure.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
I never expected this route to happen, what's the reason AV/TA start this route? Is there a lot of demand between these two cities?

No, there isn't. There is some demand combined with the possible connections to north america and the caribbean that BOG can offer to BSB passengers, which is the purpose, not to mention the flight connects Avianca's hub with one of Avianca Brasil's largest bases. It's not like PTY has unlimited demand to all of the destinations CM fly to...

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
What's the status on the AV A332 going to TA to operate out of LIM?

Second semester of the year i've read.

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
How many A332's will TA be getting?

No idea, but no more than two until the 787s arrive.

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
I hope TA will re-introduce the parrots on their A332 as they had them on their A321 but with more and bigger parrots:

The rebranding process should be done by the time TA get their A332. Also, TA changed their livery a long time ago and the "live" parrots don't really fit into the new scheme. Anyway, the A330 will probably come under the unified brand in order to save costs (it wouldn't make sense to paint it from AV to TA colours and change the interiors to re do everything after a few weeks).


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13025 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Anyway, the A330 will probably come under the unified brand in order to save costs (it wouldn't make sense to paint it from AV to TA colours and change the interiors to re do everything after a few weeks).

What do you mean with unified brand? Will the TA livery be changed to AV colors? Aren't those A332's coming brandnew from the manufacturer?

A388


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
Also, BOG-BSB by TA is an interesting new prospect.
Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Are the days of operation and arrival/departure times of the BOG-BSB-BOG flight known already? I never expected this route to happen, what's the reason AV/TA start this route? Is there a lot of demand between these two cities?

Costa Rica and Brazil have open skies, while Colombia and Brazil don't. AV-TA is just dealing with the restrictions of the Colombian aviation market by circumventing the rules. LIM-BSB was not working, so they had to find a better way to service the BSB market and that's through BOG.
It's a real experiment what they are trying with that. Good pricing on connections between AV and TA (LR) at BOG will be key for the success.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12882 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
What do you mean with unified brand? Will the TA livery be changed to AV colors? Aren't those A332's coming brandnew from the manufacturer?

Months ago Fabio Villegas confirmed that the brand would be unified, it has been widely discussed in the forum. And no, the brand new A330s are going to AV while they transfer older ones to LIM.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
Costa Rica and Brazil have open skies, while Colombia and Brazil don't. AV-TA is just dealing with the restrictions of the Colombian aviation market by circumventing the rules.

Why circumvent the rules? TA still had to ask for authorization for four weekly frequencies to the Aerocivil so now there are four less available frequencies on the colombian side as far as I know...


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12858 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
Why circumvent the rules? TA still had to ask for authorization for four weekly frequencies to the Aerocivil so now there are four less available frequencies on the colombian side as far as I know...

No, there are not! LR is a Costa Rican airline. Aerocivil only had a say in it because of the 5th freedom traffic, but the Colombian frequencies to Costa Rica and to Brazil are intact.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12843 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
Months ago Fabio Villegas confirmed that the brand would be unified, it has been widely discussed in the forum. And no, the brand new A330s are going to AV while they transfer older ones to LIM.

Okay, I wasn't aware of this. In that case I'm lucky I have seen the TA livery (old and new livery). When is the first TA aircraft expected to be painted in AV colors? When is it expected to be finalized? This is the disadvantage of consolidation, less airline variety  

A388


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
No, there are not! LR is a Costa Rican airline. Aerocivil only had a say in it because of the 5th freedom traffic, but the Colombian frequencies to Costa Rica and to Brazil are intact.

Now that doesn't make any sense...I mean Colombia is granting traffic rights from BOG to Brazil to an airline regardless of it's nationality, it should loose four frequencies.

Anyway, BOG-BSB is a very welcome link and I hope this hub works better than LIM for Brasília bound passengers (it has a lot more connections to the US, the caribbean and Mexico to offer), which will be loosing LIM-BSB in june. It's also an upgrade from 3 weekly E190s to 4 weekly A319s for BSB, regarding TA flights.

Quoting A388 (Reply 12):
When is the first TA aircraft expected to be painted in AV colors? When is it expected to be finalized?

No one knows as they have been very quiet about this. All we know is it will happen this year. Also, there is no official saying as into which of the brands will prevail over the other. Everyone assumes it's going to be Avianca given that they carry 70% of the groups revenue and are the majority shareholders of the AviancaTaca holding, but who knows. A completely new brand hasn't been ruled out either.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12809 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
Now that doesn't make any sense...I mean Colombia is granting traffic rights from BOG to Brazil to an airline regardless of it's nationality, it should loose four frequencies.

No, the frequencies involved are on the Brazil-Costa Rica and on the Colombia-Costa Rica bilateral agreements, not on the Colombia-Brazil agreement. It's a Costa Rican airline, so the frequencies used are only those authorized to Costa Rican airlines on both bilateral agreements. The Brazil-Colombia bilateral agreement is not involved.

TAM uses the same strategy in order to have more flights to Argentina, since the Brazil-Argentina is maxed out. TAM Airlines (Paraguay) flies ASU-EZE-GRU and ASU-AEP-GIG.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12793 times:

Here's an article on the curent status of the new terminal at BOG:

http://www.portafolio.co/economia/nu...rnacional-eldorado-operaria-agosto



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 13):
A completely new brand hasn't been ruled out either.

Thanks for the explanation RCS763AV. I would have wanted for both AV and TA to keep their brands just like how KL and AF do. The AV and TA brands are just too well known in Latin America. If they chose a new brand/livery I wonder how that will be...

A388


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Are the days of operation and arrival/departure times of the BOG-BSB-BOG flight known already? I never expected this route to happen, what's the reason AV/TA start this route?

TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly with E90 will drop that route in favor of TA/LR [SJO-MTY] 3x weekly with E90 from June 02nd.




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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
There is some demand combined with the possible connections to north america and the caribbean that BOG can offer to BSB passengers, which is the purpose, not to mention the flight connects Avianca's hub with one of Avianca Brasil's largest bases.

That's why CM PTY-BSB goes from 4x to 7x weekly; effective: June 18th.




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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
Costa Rica and Brazil have open skies, while Colombia and Brazil don't. AV-TA is just dealing with the restrictions of the Colombian aviation market by circumventing the rules. LIM-BSB was not working, so they had to find a better way to service the BSB market and that's through BOG

Notice that the intended SJO-BOG-BSB would be operated by LACSA from Costa Rica who's involved in GRUPO TACA.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12584 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):

No, there are not! LR is a Costa Rican airline. Aerocivil only had a say in it because of the 5th freedom traffic, but the Colombian frequencies to Costa Rica and to Brazil are intact.
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
Notice that the intended SJO-BOG-BSB would be operated by LACSA from Costa Rica who's involved in GRUPO TACA

Did you read reply 11?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9576 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

Guys,

As per some of my local friends of mine, I understood that several government aircraft are in Colombia now. I understood that even the Air Force One is in Colombia. One 757 is now in CUR but do you know if more aircraft will be heading to CUR? If so, for how long will they be staying here?

A388


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12319 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
No, there are not! LR is a Costa Rican airline. Aerocivil only had a say in it because of the 5th freedom traffic, but the Colombian frequencies to Costa Rica and to Brazil are intact.Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):Notice that the intended SJO-BOG-BSB would be operated by LACSA from Costa Rica who's involved in GRUPO TACA
Did you read reply 11?

TA/LR [SJO-BOG-BSB] 2x weekly is the first attempt trying to exploit the Open Skies agreement signed in 2011. However, the untapped market called SJO-BSB is tiny at this time. Furthermore, if TA/LR are trying to boost it based on onward connections at SJO as well, it looks unappealing regarding the layover in Bogota and the very limited weekly frequencies from the beginning. On the other hand, CM PTY-BSB goes to daily soon as pointing out above.
I would've rather expected a combination in Brasilia like AV BOG-GIG 3x weekly and TA LIM-GIG 7x weekly, which are also experiencing lack of competition for the time being.
In that case, any SJO-BOG-GRU or SJO-GRU as non-stop might work better for them. Here's one new issue: the 319 is the suitable plane for such non-stop route, but I'm not pretty sure if it can fly the sector without penalties.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12368 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 19):
As per some of my local friends of mine, I understood that several government aircraft are in Colombia now. I understood that even the Air Force One is in Colombia. One 757 is now in CUR but do you know if more aircraft will be heading to CUR? If so, for how long will they be staying here?

yes right now is starting " La cumbre de las Americas" in Cartagena!

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
BOG-HAV, 5 extra weekly for AV and CM*, to make it daily for both (guess the bilateral was revised).

lets hope AV is going to increase the flights very soon! without that they wont have a chance!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3652 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12333 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
However, the untapped market called SJO-BSB is tiny at this time

They're going for the BSB-BOG market and onward connections, not for BSB-SJO. AV is still trying to form a set of 7 frequencies for its BOG-GIG service, so that's why they will not try involving LR in this.The GIG market also rejects BOG as a connecting point to various destinations, since there are numerous other alternatives from GIG with better timing.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

LA will discontinue the BOG-MIA 3x weekly sector with 763 from August 23.
Lan Colombia will maintain daily flights into the MIA-BOG segment.




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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 22):
going for the BSB-BOG market and onward connections, not for BSB-SJO.

So good luck for BOG-BSB as LIM-BSB didn't work well for them.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12244 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
TA/LR [SJO-BOG-BSB] 2x weekly is the first attempt trying to exploit the Open Skies agreement signed in 2011.

My understanding is that the flight will be 4x weekly, not 2x weekly.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 22):
The GIG market also rejects BOG as a connecting point to various destinations, since there are numerous other alternatives from GIG with better timing.

Well at three weekly frequencies, AV is just attending to the BOG-GIG O/D market and a limited number of connections. As you say, there are more options with better frequency and timing. When AV goes daily to GIG they will surely attract a lot more passengers for connections.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
LA will discontinue the BOG-MIA 3x weekly sector with 763 from August 23.
Lan Colombia will maintain daily flights into the MIA-BOG segment.

That's unexpected, but a logical move.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
So good luck for BOG-BSB as LIM-BSB didn't work well for them.

BOG-BSB has much more chances than LIM-BSB working. First, BOG is the holding's largest hub by far, second it offers much more connections to north america than LIM and third it is overall a larger market. So yes, BOG-BSB, au contraire to LIM-BSB, has a chance of surviving.


25 SJOtoLIR : Aerocivil from Colombia has indeed authorized 4x weekly frequencies into TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB. On the other hand, I've read about that flight starting t
26 jfk777 : Did AF1 land in Cartagena or Barranqilla ?
27 C010T3 : Yes, but we have yet to see how well AV-TA will market connections between TA and AV. I believe it's the first time AV-TA practices this cross-feedin
28 RCS763AV : Well yes and no, it is the first time TA and AV practice this, but 2K has been doing it for a while now in BOG and LIM with the flights to Ecuador. J
29 MAH4546 : LIM has far more capacity to North America than BOG does. In terms of "larger market," I don't know what context that is being placed in but North Am
30 RCS763AV : I'm saying in the context of what AviancaTaca can offer. While TA has 1 daily flight to MIA from LIM, AV flies twice a day to MIA, twice a day to JFK
31 SJOtoLIR : AV-TA also knows that CM would fly daily to Brasilia in June, allowing immediate connections from MIA, MCO, JFK, LAX, IAD, ORD and LAS [June 27th] th
32 RCS763AV : Those could be added to the options out of BOG too, not to mention AC's flights to YYZ and LH's flights to FRA. Indeed, they need to be more competit
33 C010T3 : I'm not sure that BSB-LIM was doing so badly, but analysing the traffic generated, they realised that BOG was a better option. It's about BOG being b
34 RCS763AV : Well it wasn't a 10 pax per flight situation, but the loads were very seasonal and very mediocre and even after LAN left the market it just wouldn't
35 ghost77 : Colombian friends, Is is true Aerocivil is blocking and condition Interjet's entrance on MEX-BOG unless SCT here grants permission for LAN Colombia to
36 Summa767 : I don't have insider info, but do know from public documents that Interjet did apply to fly MEX-BOG and was indeed denied the route. Aerocivil simply
37 Post contains links danimarroquin : Talking about AV joining star alliance and a plane painted in star alliance colors , seems that the next A319 that AV would take of delivery is gonna
38 A388 : Yes it did but it overnighted in Curacao the entire weekend until it had to pick up the government officials again when they finished with the summit
39 SJOtoLIR : In my view, AV-TA must analyze carefully about how would they serve Brazil internationally in the mid-term. Less than 10 years ago, only GRU and GIG
40 ghost77 : Thanks for all your info Summa767. I guess as MX has/still holds rights on MEX-BOG maybe Aerocivil will grant a 3rd designation from Mexico if a 3rd
41 Summa767 : Weird indeed. I can see that there is an interest in getting MX flying again, but 2 years is a long time. All the unused or "frozen" rights and slots
42 SJOtoLIR : Proposed schedule for TA/LR [SJO-BOG-BSB] 4x weekly: LR 691...SJO 17:25.......BOG 20:40......Mo, We, Fr, Su LR 691...BOG 21:45......BSB 03:55+1...Mo,
43 Summa767 : Thanks for this. It's clear that the timings are geared totally at connections in BOG more than a direct flights between SJO and BSB. On the flights
44 Post contains links troest : LAN Chile is adjusting operation SCL - BOG. It will operate on a daily basis effective 24 August 2012. The existing 3 weekly BOG - MIA will end. LAN C
45 Post contains links RCS763AV : Absolutely geared toward connections in BOG, both for SJO and BSB bound passengers. They said 2014 in their investors meeting presentation and Villeg
46 Summa767 : Kriete is the chairman of the board of Avianca-Taca! Of course there is the possibility that La Republica made a transcription error in the year, but
47 2travel2know2 : If Interjet 4O was to apply for TLC-BOG, would that be considered as Mexico City - Bogota city pair too? Recently VVC Villavicencio Vanguardia made t
48 SCL767 : LAN Colombia plans to launch BOG-MAD daily and BOG-BCN 3x weekly during this year.
49 RCS763AV : They wouldn't stand a chance at competing with the rest of the airlines flying numerous daily frequencies into MEX. Talk about the early nineties. I
50 2travel2know2 : One thing is to stand a chance to perform well, the other if the TLC-BOG route would be considered a different city pair. BTW, TLC markets itself as
51 RCS763AV : BOG-BCN? All they've applied for is BOG-MAD up until now. It would be I guess. But really, where has marketing itself as the most convenient airport t
52 Post contains links SCL767 : Yes, LAN was recently awarded three additional frequencies for either BOG-MAD and/or BOG-BCN. LAN is very interested in launching the Bogotá-Barcelo
53 Summa767 : An error could happen, but you phrased your reply on the matter of believing what "he is saying": I trust that BOG-MAD will indeed happen, as the div
54 SCL767 : LAN is already training Bogotá based crews in Santiago for the new long-haul services to Spain. I wouldn't be so sure about that since la Cámara de
55 Summa767 : Knowing that the source you quoted is wholly and totally wrong (because we *do* know what was actually authorised by Aerocivil, and is available for
56 ROSWELL41 : Any idea on the rumored FLL-BOG-UIO/GYE on NK? Has that been applied for or approved?
57 troest : That's all great. But do you have any official source from Cámara de Comercio de Barcelona and LAN? Any official source that LAN will commence this
58 troest : So far LAN Colombia use A320's on this route. Are these equipped with business class or is it only AV and AA that offers this on BOG-MIA?[Edited 2012
59 SJOtoLIR : That's correct ! Let me post the comprehensive schedule: LR 697....BOG 21:45......SJO 23:05......Daily Discontinued: May 31st LR 697....BOG 08:30....
60 RCS763AV : No they weren't, as as was pointed out above, that news article is wrong. They are planning on starting daily BOG-MAD flights, that's it. That I've h
61 Post contains links troest : Lufthansa increases from 5 weekly to 1 daily FRA-BOG service in A346, effective 28 October 2012. Link: http://airlineroute.net/2012/04/19/lh-w12update
62 Summa767 : So it it were Villegas in the interview, it would have had more credibility that 787s would be arriving in 2016? You are not the only one to have tha
63 RCS763AV : It's great to see this route consolidating! BOG was a little weak on the front cabin at the start but LH has been doing very good as of late. It is a
64 Avianca : really good news, finally a daily flight! after that I am sure they will open with new routes in the continent and linking FRA with LIM!
65 danimarroquin : If thats the case that the 787s would be deliver by 2016 instead of 2014 , then AV should cancel the order and go with the A350 firm that they did a l
66 777jaah : I don't think they want to take the risk of depending entirely on a project that could face delays. If this new date is true, I just would stick to t
67 Avianca : yes but LIM has stil a big bunch of connections that BOG can not offer + LIM is also a very healthy cargo market as BOG is!
68 troest : Found this on another thread, but can't find the official link: British Airways and Iberia will start codeshare on MAD-BOG-MAD, effective 24 April 201
69 SJOtoLIR : The 319 will be the plane for such route. . CU BOG-HAV is still operating on a weekly basis and it will be completely in disadvantage given the new f
70 RCS763AV : CU will indeed be in a big disadvantage against the colombian carriers. But maybe a small increase to 2-3x weekly could happen so that they can cater
71 SJOtoLIR : CU HAV-BOG 1x weekly might experience the same situation of CU HAV-PTY, once Copa Airlines mainline gradually began to increase their frequencies up
72 Post contains links RCS763AV : We'll if that's the outcome it will be sad to see the Tu-204s (not obsolete I might add) leave BOG's skies, but CU won't be able to compete surely. O
73 SJOtoLIR : LH FRA-BOG goes from 5x to 7x weekly on October 28th and it's a smart move due to the presence of Star Alliance, in order to deploy daily flights to
74 RCS763AV : By the time this flights goes daily there will already be AV's daily BOG-MAD and 4x weekly BOG-BCN to compliment the Star Alliance offer from BOG to
75 Post contains links danimarroquin : look what I just found : http://lockerz.com/s/205225074 seems that there is already 2 of the A318s with the star alliance logo .
76 flyboynk : NK is waiting for the new Quito airport to open which is lower elevation than the current one, once that opens they will begin daily BOG to Quito and
77 777jaah : I wish they do a special livery, not only some small cheap decals. And better if its on one of the 330s....but I guess that's too mucho to ask for. A
78 RICARIZA : Maybe not.. a brand new A319 (Reg: N519AV) is currently in all white livery and about to be delivered and one can speculate if it will carry a Star l
79 Post contains links danimarroquin : I posted this ones for the A* A319 for av early but no body reply on them http://v2.airplaneupload.de/display-i1906b3nzij.html
80 Post contains links RCS763AV : They should be getting a Star livery, it's a requirement from the alliance to have one in your fleet. On other news, the AVTA group saw their pax num
81 Post contains links RCS763AV : Jetblue have started their daily FLL to BOG flights: http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...ntre-fort-lauderdale-y-bogota.html New competition on the
82 Post contains images 777jaah : Not only that, but also allow pax to access B6's connections from FLL. I'm already planning a BOG-BOS trip for next winter, lets see how fares turn o
83 RCS763AV : Well with NK throwing in a new BOG-FLL in September and another one in 2013, they can only go down! On other news, an ATR-72-600 destined to Caribbea
84 SJOtoLIR : NK FLL-BOG 7x weekly plus AV BOG-FLL 7x weekly and now B6 BOG-FLL 7x weekly ! . I think this will be the mentioned NK FLL-BOG-LIM that Aerocivil gran
85 SCL767 : Has NK been able to obtain the necessary slot allocations at Bogotá in order to operate the FLL-BOG-LIM route?
86 Post contains links RCS763AV : Indeed. The airline will start the route after the new terminal opens in the first week of August, as there is literally no more ramp or gate space f
87 A388 : Do you know when the first AV aircraft will be repainted fully in Star Alliance colors? Will it be the A318, A319 or A320? Maybe also one A332? Also,
88 Post contains links RCS763AV : I don't know how long it's going to be here. A Q400 from Air Canada Express also came to BOG for demonstrations. This is a clear sign that AV wants a
89 A388 : Thanks RCS763AV. Insel Air just introduced the Fokker 50 here in Curacao just a few months ago so who know they might be interested in one or more of
90 Avianca : has AV trafic rights between BOG and MAR? Heard today rumors that they will start flights in July. Cheers Avianca
91 Post contains links RCS763AV : The Superintendent of Ports and Airports of Colombia has ordered the takeover of LAS - Líneas Aéreas Suramericanas by the authority, given a lot of
92 Post contains images A388 : Wow, I wasn't aware LAS was managed so badly. We have flights from them like 3 times a week. I assume this take-over will not mean that they will upg
93 flyboynk : They (NK) have taken back to FLL corporate the slot options given to them, which are 4 different slots and NK will choose which one works best for th
94 RCS763AV : Also read something, but they haven't applied to Aerocivil nor have they applied to the venezuelan DGAC, and July is just around the corner. A BOG-MA
95 A388 : Thanks for the information RCS763AV. Can you (or anyone else on this forum) let me know when the first AV aircraft wearing full Star Alliance colors w
96 SCL767 : Next month, LAN Colombia will increase frequency on the BOG-CTG and BOG-MDE routes: BOG-CTG increases to 47x weekly BOG-MDE increases to 58x weekly
97 Post contains links RCS763AV : Are these changes seasonal like last year or permanent? Good to see more flights, specially to CTG. That airport is crying for more air connectivity.
98 SCL767 : BOG-CTG will operate (B737 13x weekly, A320 34x weekly) through August. BOG-MDE will actually operate 60x weekly, (B737 7x weekly, A320 53x weekly).
99 RCS763AV : They're kind of reducing capacity, BOG-EYP actually operates 28x weekly (14x 73G and 14x Dash Q400). So yes, the changes are seasonal. After august i
100 SCL767 : According to LAN.com, it's operating 24x weekly. IIRC, the runways at EYP, VUP y BGA are closed during certain times of the week for maintenance. Acc
101 Summa767 : The only bad thing about this piece of news is that it comes from FOX, but it makes sense that TAP and the Portuguese government see in Avianca-Taca
102 RCS763AV : Indeed, thant's their main reasoning. Let's hope it works out, this would be a milestone, the first intercontinental latin-based airline group. Even
103 SCL767 : LAN Colombia will offer 5,994 weekly round-trip seats on the route, (BOG-EYP 19x weekly with the B737=5,662 weekly round-trip seats+*A320 weekly=332
104 RCS763AV : Easyfly, the low-cost regional airline, flies BOG-EYP 10x a day on average on Js-41 aircraft. Thay're LAN's main and only competitor on the route. Avi
105 SCL767 : IIRC, Easyfly operates the route 11x daily. IMO, it's a good move by LAN to remove the Dash-8s off of the route and operate the route with the B737s
106 SJOtoLIR : AC YYZ-BOG didn't increase their services from 3x to 7x weekly as commented some weeks before. Furthermore, the announced AM CUN-BOG on May 10th is no
107 RCS763AV : AC
108 clo1973 : Flights will start on June 4th CLO-BAQ / BAQ-CLO 6:00 / 21:25 CLO-CTG / CTG - CLO 11:10 / 13:05 Not quite unexpected, market is there and it is a way
109 Summa767 : Very good news for CLO. It was about time that it had more non-stop flights. All it needs now it's an improved terminal.
110 A388 : Hi guys, Is there any news on the Star Alliance AV aircraft (A319)? Will it be painted soon? A388
111 SJOtoLIR : TACA at this time is combining their secondary Colombian cities, being served separately from their Central American hubs. Thus, Medellin has direct
112 Post contains links danimarroquin : more rumours for AV on the hunt for TAP http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012...orite-suitors-tap-portugal-report/
113 RCS763AV : Those are great news for CLO, a new connecting option to the west after IAH was cut by CO. Yes, that was already posted.
114 777jaah : [ You know the schedule for the new flight?? I hope it replaces the lack of what I though it was the best offering (in terms of schedule and hard prod
115 falkerker : Hey guys, any news on AV/TA entry into *alliance? On the hypothetical side of things, what are the planned routes AV will have for their 787? its a lo
116 RCS763AV : The Star Alliance A319 is in the ramp at BOG, already in full colors, with the Avianca logo on the side. Pictures are leaking all over the internet al
117 Post contains links danimarroquin : here is the A319 painted http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/a320star.jpg/
118 SJOtoLIR : Both AV CLO-BAQ and AV CLO-CTG will be available only the weekdays resulting in 5x weekly with 318 each. The same 318 will upgrade the CLO-MDE and MD
119 Post contains links RCS763AV : More and more domestic flights are now bypassing BOG and I think there are three main reasons for this: 1. BOG's congestion: The new CLO-Coast flight
120 SCL767 : In September the SCL-BOG-SCL route operates daily; but it appears that LAN has added a new flight... LA572 SCL 18:25 BOG 22:30 Daily B-767-316ER LA573
121 777jaah : I just took 3 pictures of it with my cell phone. Sure looks nice. Btw, I'm currently in MDE and just saw 2 of VivaColombia's 320s. I have to saythey
122 Summa767 : Unfortunately the O&D figures that Aerocivil manages do not show the real picture of what is happening. Whereas some more point to point routes o
123 Post contains images A388 : Fantastic, I'm looking forward in seeing it in Curacao Does anyone know the registration of this Star Alliance A319??? A388[Edited 2012-05-15 07:38:3
124 RCS763AV : As I said, stronger O/D is just one of the reasons. Of course many of the routes out of BOG are sustainable due to connecting traffic, given the stat
125 falkerker : Maybe I´m biased, but AV has a lot more brand reputation than TA does. I´ve always said it was more TA merging into AV than a real alliance.... Any
126 Post contains images 777jaah : Here's one of the images I just took this morning. Sorry for the poor quality. Once I figure out how to solve a problem with my iphone, I'll post the
127 Post contains images 777jaah : Here's the other 2:
128 Summa767 : Thank goodness Bogota grows enough for the benefit of the whole country. On looking at other reports one might think it's the other way round. Until
129 Post contains links 777jaah : AV published its 1Q results. Here's the highlights of the report: -operational income rose 17,7% compared to 1Q/2011. -numbers of pax rose 16% -averag
130 SJOtoLIR : Speaking about new domestic flights avoiding the capital city, here's the detailed schedule for the Medellin-Cucuta service: AV 9504........MDE 16:35
131 RCS763AV : So the Medellín-BGA/CUC flights are happening! Do we have the schedule for Bucaramanga? Posted a note from La República a couple of posts back, tha
132 Bogota : I agree.
133 Summa767 : Funnily enough, they are not there! It's funny how you guys hyperbolise. You were the one who said that a reason for Avianca starting non-stop for ot
134 Post contains links RCS763AV : LAN's benefit for the 1st quarter of 2012 has been 22% lower than last year, on a 12.6% revenue increase; one of the reasons cited is that LAN Colombi
135 A388 : Great, do you know the registration of this Star Alliance bird? It looks like it has a N-registration, is that correct? Has it started flying commerc
136 777jaah : I'm flying back to BOG this evening. Hopefully, I'll arrive before sunset and with some luck, my plane will taxi by hte new 319. If all those things
137 Post contains images 777jaah : I was talking about some spotting at EOH.....this still an aviation forum right?? On a side note, I read int he AV inflight magazine that they signed
138 SJOtoLIR : The intended LA BOG-MAD might also negatively undermine the operations of AV in Spain. My interpretation is obviously a new commercial agreement to c
139 Summa767 : Well, it's good if AV will offer through ticketing with Renfe. In the last 6 months a new train line opened that links Atocha and Chamartin rail stat
140 av757 : The newly painted Star Alliance Avianca airplane is an Airbus A319, it is a 319-115, registration is N519AV and c/n 5119. Regards, AV757
141 777jaah : AV pax will ride RENFE with the tickets issued by AV, so I guess that's a big plus. Didn't knew that. It's been almost 3 years since I've been in MAD
142 A388 : Great, thanks av757. I'm already looking forward to seeing it in CUR. When is the aircraft expected to start commercial flights? A388
143 RCS763AV : Now that i'm living in Madrid, it's really good to have that many options to get to the airport, either by taking the metro from my home in Goya or t
144 SJOtoLIR : Nothing official yet ! I'll look forward for the schedule. . Analyzing the case in Santiago de Chile, IB MAD-SCL 7x weekly is code-sharing with LA SC
145 SJOtoLIR : AeroMexico announces the schedule for the Cancun - Bogota service: AM 718........CUN 01:55..........BOG 05:00...........Tu, Th, Su AM 719........BOG 0
146 Post contains links RCS763AV : Avianca has renewed its contract with Iberia Mantenimiento for the maintenance of the engines of the A318 and A319 fleet: http://www.finanzas.com/noti
147 A388 : Thanks RCS763AV, has the aircraft started commercial flights already or when is it planned to start commercial flying? Please keep me informed. A388
148 SJOtoLIR : Starting on June 22nd, the Colombian division of Copa Airlines will exclusively attend the BOG-PTY sector as 42x weekly. Same with the PTY-PUJ 21x wee
149 RCS763AV : I heard it will be served exclusively by 73G aircraft, do you have information on this?
150 SJOtoLIR : The reliable source amadeus.net reports Copa Airlines Colombia exclusively into PTY-BOG as 42x weekly; June 22nd onward. I even found some isolated E
151 SJOtoLIR : Aerocivil granted up to 5x weekly new flights to Avianca into the BOG-HAV sector. Thus, the first step would be focused to grow slowly in such market
152 777jaah : there's been some rumours about the possibility of AV/TA bidding for TP, even some brazilian publications picking up stories on how AV with its brazil
153 Post contains links RCS763AV : BOG-HAV was horribly underserved for years, with CU flying the route once a week for almost two decades. CM of course took advantage of this, and is
154 Post contains links RCS763AV : Indeed, I don't think the holding would have the cash to buy TP on their own right now, that's why it's probably personally Efromovich who wants to b
155 Post contains links Summa767 : A momentous day for Colombian aviation was the start of operations yesterday of Viva Cololmbia, the first true low cost carrier in the country. El Esp
156 Post contains links RCS763AV : http://www.cmi.com.co/?n=81863 CM& is already talking about the fare wars, and they've become amazing! AV is going from $27.000, CM* from $40.000,
157 Summa767 : It does look as if these and other Colombian cities will finally have the capacity at better fares that they had always been lacking. And it's not to
158 Post contains links 777jaah : Due to activity in the Ruiz volcano, MZL, PEI, AXM and Cartago are temporarily closed. http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...e-cafetero-actividad-sis
159 A388 : I would love to see this low cost airline start flights to CUR. Time will tell I guess... A388
160 Post contains images SCL767 : LAN is offering low fares from BOG to MDE:
161 Post contains links RCS763AV : AXM and Cartago have been reopened already. Well, they still have a lot of expansion to do on the domestic side. They need much more aircraft to oper
162 SCL767 : That would be great considering that TA recently decreased frequency on the LIM-SCL route to 10 weekly flights.
163 Post contains images A388 : That all sounds logical, I was just having a future vision I guess All the best to Viva Colombia!!! A388
164 Summa767 : They do need aircraft, but the routes that were approved originally, with a large number from BOG, were just placeholder routes that the airline no l
165 RCS763AV : Yes, even with your slight pun on TA, it will be great. The plans that they're talking about now are only the first phase of expansion, all of the ro
166 Summa767 : Viva will not do connections, which comprises a lot of the domestic traffic that passes throuh BOG. They will do point to point, for which there is m
167 Post contains links RCS763AV : I've read reports where they state that something around 22% of the domestic passengers that go through BOG are actually connecting, most of them on
168 777jaah : Really?? Do you have to be so biased??? He's talking about the BOG-SCL market, no the LIM-SCL market. I would really love to read how these 2 issues
169 SCL767 : I'm simply stating a fact. FYI, TA and H2 already have a bilateral code-share agreement very similar to the new bilateral code-share agreement betwee
170 Summa767 : It's no different. The low cost airlines you mentioned serve some large airports such as MAD, LGW, MXP etc as part of a *very diversified* number of
171 RCS763AV : As I said, those diversified two times a week routes are a limited source of growth, there is a point in which they have to serve the bigger routes i
172 Summa767 : Those diversified routes will themselves evolve in response to the new capacity and convenience that was not there. I am absolutely sure that they wi
173 Post contains links RCS763AV : Yes, but there will be a limit to that demand. Many of those routes will also be mainly used by business folks, and business people need to have opti
174 jfk777 : Barranquilla is the most inderserved airport in Colombia, especially internationally. Miami has less flights today then when PAN AM pulled out in 197
175 falkerker : Does anyone have any official news of AV/TA entry into Star Alliance? Pardon if already discussed, I realize there is a plane on Allince livery but, i
176 RCS763AV : Nothing has been said, except that entry will be at the same time with Copa Airlines. CM's date of entry is set on June 21st, so maybe there's your a
177 777jaah : Probably. What I can say is that Barranquilla will keep thriving economically and in a short period of time, it will support flights to various intl
178 A388 : Wow, that is going to be a nice terminal. Will this terminal replace the entire existing terminal (local and international terminal)? Are more new te
179 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Correct. Here's the link: Avianca New A319 In Star Alliance Colors (pic) (by supersomondoco May 16 2012 in Civil Aviation) . It might be. Barranquill
180 troest : This was maybe mentioned earlier. An update of the new frequencies for VIva Colombia: VivaColombia, the new start-up low-cost carrier in Colombia, has
181 Post contains links jigarciar : Agree! I think BAQ's concession was the first and the worst example. Probably the airport operator feels proud because they replaced the air conditio
182 A388 : So very simplistic/basically seen, they will have 59 weekly flights by June. That would mean around 8 flights per day. If they have a fleet of 2 airc
183 Post contains links RCS763AV : Thanks troest! TA and AV are marketing the flight as a four weekly operation still, see for yourself: http://www.avianca.com/Promociones/M...aign=CO_
184 SJOtoLIR : You got it correctly; the reliable amadeus.net is displaying TA/LR BOG-BSB as 4x weekly. By the way, that route is already active. Other sources on t
185 troest : AviancaTaca San Jose – Bogota Operation Changes from June 2012 Starting 01JUN12, AVIANCA-TACA will adjust operation on San Jose Costa Rica – Bogot
186 SCL767 : On 10JUNE, LAN Colombia will increase capacity on the BOG-LET route by deploying the A-320 on the route daily. On 15JUNE, LAN Colombia will increase f
187 troest : Avianca to Boost Rio de Janeiro & Santo Domingo Operation from late-June 2012: Avianca from late-June 2012 is increasing operation on service to R
188 RCS763AV : Thanks for the detailed info, it was already mentioned without the schedule a few posts back. As it's been said, that schedule from airlineroute and
189 Avianca : thats very good news, I am sure we will see in the future even 3 or 4 daily flights by LP, would be also nice to see them operate into ADZ from other
190 SJOtoLIR : Here's my hypothesis: All the Mondays, AV 046 BOG-SJO and AV 047 SJO-BOG is flying the route with the 319. Thus, the whole daylight service into BOG-
191 troest : Schedule: LA3502 BOG0720 – 1215MIA 320 D LA3503 MIA1345 – 1635BOG 320 D Regards
192 777jaah : I think that's the schedule for the acutal flight. If they want to compete with AV in the route, an afternoon departure from BOG could be more useful
193 A388 : Any word on when the Avianca Star Alliance A319 will start commercial flights and on which routes (domestically and then international or only interna
194 757MDE : It already started and it's doing both
195 Post contains images A388 : Great, can you let me know via this forum or via private message when it will be heading to CUR? I would love to photograph it A388
196 troest : I would also say for LANColombia to compete with AV on the route, not only would it be in schedule and price for the Y class segment, also they would
197 jfk777 : why such an early departure from BOG ? How does LAN plan to feed the flight from other Colombian cities.
198 RCS763AV : Yep, that's probably it you're right. They don't, it's clearly meant to cater to the O/D pax between BOG and MIA. Indeed, i guess we'll see that once
199 SCL767 : The flights will soon be sold as a two-class service featuring Premium Economy and Economy. This product can be viewed on LAN.com. Connections from M
200 Avianca : but with this offer they will be behind AV - without a daubt.
201 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN will of course offer the Premium Business product on the majority of flights between BOG, the U.S. and Europe. LAN Colombia will begin to operate
202 Post contains links RCS763AV : We have an official entry date for AVTA into Star, it will be June 21, at the same time as CM, just as everyone thought: http://www.portafolio.co/nego
203 SCL767 : This is great news for AviancaTaca as it marks the first time that both carriers will be part of a global alliance. However, this more than fantastic
204 Post contains links RCS763AV : Flights from UIO to BOG by TAME will supposedly start on june 25, 2012, let's hope this time it's for real not like the announcement for BOG and LIM t
205 troest : Given that LANColombia changes the Y seats for some J seats in their A320's and B737's... It is still not a fully J class product on the BOG-MIA rout
206 ROSWELL41 : Any updates on NK starting BOG-GYE service? Any holdups with government approvals?
207 SCL767 : LAN has 45 wide-body passenger a/c on order and plans to launch more routes to the U.S. from BOG; along with long-haul routes. LAN Colombia will oper
208 nomorerjs : What are the chances of the following: AA: DFW-BOG 320 AV/UA: ORD-BOG 320
209 RCS763AV : what I read is they decided to postpone Ecuador service all along until the new airport in Quito is operational. DFW-BOG, well, AA would first have t
210 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines Colombia currently flies to San Andres Island from BOG, CLO, MDE, BAQ and CTG. I'm not sure if LA really wants to emulate CM in order t
211 777jaah : I know AV management has been thinking on deploying the 319NEO on the route, at least I've heard them on several ocassions how its doable with the ne
212 Post contains links Summa767 : The applications for routes and frequencies to be discussed at the next Aerocivil public audience are in: http://www.aerocivil.gov.co/Document...ORDEN
213 777jaah : I'm just waiting for the speech that LA has order so many planes, new routes from LIM to secondary peruvian cities, the strenght of the LATAM merger,
214 SJOtoLIR : Rummaging among the GDS sources, most of the flights between Colombia and Panama City are being operated by Copa Airlines Colombia instead of Copa Air
215 A388 : This is bad for LAN from a customer point of view, why is their J class product only available on their widebody fleet? A388
216 SCL767 : AviancaTaca entering Star Alliance means that LATAM cannot join Star Alliance or be a part of that alliance. TAM would have to leave the Star Allianc
217 troest : I guess it is more beneficial for LAN's business model at the moment. Though this might change with time... It will be interesting to see what LANCol
218 Post contains links RCS763AV : The new DiamondElite VIP room was inaugurated by Avianca at the Puente Aéreo terminal, and will be an exclusive area for those top tier passengers an
219 Post contains links Summa767 : Avianca-Taca firms up 3 more 787s. Deliveries of the first Dreamliner for the Latin cariier is scheduled for April 2014. At last concrete news about A
220 Post contains links RCS763AV : Those are great news!!!! They have been putting a lot of focus on beefing up their regional network, now it seems they are looking at more long haul
221 SJOtoLIR : AV CLO-MDE-JFK 7x weekly will be reduced to 3x weekly on September 15. The same route would be resumed to daily from December 03 till January 13, in o
222 RCS763AV : Indeed. Those changes have been known for a while. I'm going to post thread #10 now.[Edited 2012-06-26 04:36:13]
223 clo1973 : Demand has always been there, yearly load factor of CLO-MDE-JFK was 85%.
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