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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3919418/0/83280D83283/

Now for UA's response...methinks they will try and move the IAH-AKL route to the west coast or something like that.

[Edited 2012-04-09 16:26:33]


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9549 times:
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I doubt they'd move the AKL route. However, other routes could be impacted. From what we've heard so far, WN would be flying short international routes. That shouldn't pose a competition issue for S.America, Europe or Asia/Pacific routes on UA.

UA will certainly rattle sabres and issue all sorts of dire predictions.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5221 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 1):


UA will certainly rattle sabres and issue all sorts of dire predictions.

The proposal shows 5 gates initially expandable to 9 gates long term. It will be a thorn in UA's side but will hardly decimate the global hub they have at IAH. Let 'em rattle their sabres.



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User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9488 times:

Why should Houston care what some airline headquartered in Chicago thinks about this.

User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
Now for UA's response...methinks they will try and move the IAH-AKL route to the west coast or something like that.

That doesn't sound too smart. They're trying to compete against the QANTAS SYD-DFW and DFW-BNE-SYD flights. Anyone who has to double connect to the west coast to get onto a flight to New Zealand or Australia would find it much more convenient to fly QANTAS out of DFW


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

There are other cities in the US that have more than one international airport. Why not Houston?

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9088 times:

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 5):

There are other cities in the US that have more than one international airport. Why not Houston?

Pretty much. UA just wants to cry about it.


User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 3):
Why should Houston care what some airline headquartered in Chicago thinks about this.

Because despite losing the HQ's to Chicago, IAH as a hub was larger than ORD before the merger.

After the merger is is the largest Hub in United's system and growing.

It's a nice feather to have in your hat when trying to attract business to the city, as the hub in IAH could could connect companies to major business centers. Especially your energy crowd.

WN will probably offer some attractive destinations. Will they have a global reach from HOU ?

How will passengers connecting from say MEX.CUN,CZM,SAL,or GUA connect onto NRT,LHR,FRA ,AMS ? drive the nearly 40-50 miles from HOU to IAH ?

How many connections can WN offer non-stops from Mexico-Central America via hobby ? If passengers have to interline they've going to have spend some time and money to drive from HOU-IAH. Plus buy another ticket as WN does not have any agreements with anyone.

I totally understand being upset about about losing the HQ's. UA is still one of the larger employers,employing 17,000 currently. IAH has seen expansion and the new LOS route.

Diaz and Parker are making business decisions based on emotions.

I wish people would stop comparing Houston to New York having two international airports. Because a MSA of about 20 million versus 6 million is really comparable   


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

So...you are saying WN should not be allowed to fly international from HOU?


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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8831 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
I wish people would stop comparing Houston to New York having two international airports. Because a MSA of about 20 million versus 6 million is really comparable

Nobody specifically compared Houston to New York (at least not in this thread). New York isn't the only metro area with more than one international airport. Sure, Houston's 6+ million people isn't comparable to New York's 22+ million (going by CSAs), but is it comparable to the Bay Area's ~7.5 million? They have international service at all three of SFO, SJC, and OAK.

It's not like the expectation is for WN to develop a major international hub that rivals IAH similar to EWR vs. JFK. Allowing HOU to become an international airport would simply allow WN the ability to fly to Mexico, Central America, and northern South America to augment their domestic services. It also would potentially allow carriers from those regions another option for Houston service moving forward, which I could definitely see being appealing to Mexican LCCs.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 9):
ouston service moving forward, which I could definitely see being appealing to Mexican LCCs.

Right, as a side note they specifically mentioned that the 5 proposed gates could fit any 737 or 320 variant FWIW.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
How will passengers connecting from say MEX.CUN,CZM,SAL,or GUA connect onto NRT,LHR,FRA ,AMS ? drive the nearly 40-50 miles from HOU to IAH ?

Why is this even a question? WN isn't going to NRT, LHR, etc. People flying WN aren't going to be connecting to anyone...WN doesn't interline. If airlines want to feed their network, they need to offer the service. WN is wanting these routes to feed their network.

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
How many connections can WN offer non-stops from Mexico-Central America via hobby ? If passengers have to interline they've going to have spend some time and money to drive from HOU-IAH. Plus buy another ticket as WN does not have any agreements with anyone.

Again. WN doesn't interline. So this is all a pointless...errr...point. People will not be flying WN from Latin America to connect to UA at IAH. Are they flying on UA into IAH to interline on domestic WN flights? Not really.

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
I wish people would stop comparing Houston to New York having two international airports. Because a MSA of about 20 million versus 6 million is really comparable   

I wish people would use common sense before posting, but then again we don't always get what we want. :-P

I really don't see why WN should be kept from expanding internationally to benefit THEIR network. They aren't wanting to fly to these places to feed other airlines or replace them. The whole concept of people interlining and transferring between IAH and HOU is just foolish. Could it happen? Sure, but it won't be easy.


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
Will they have a global reach from HOU ?

Somebody flying from Kansas City to see relatives in Central America doesn't need nor care for the global reach of United.

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 7):
How will passengers connecting from say MEX.CUN,CZM,SAL,or GUA connect onto NRT,LHR,FRA

None. But they will potentially connect thousands to places like San Antonio, Las Vegas, Nashville, Denver, et al.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8650 times:

No surprise here...and I think very wise for Houston to call United's Bluff on this.

The other thing here to note though is that the International capable gates are going to be common use, which means that some other carrier (Aeromexico maybe) could start international service at HOU as well. If United wants to see how this works...all they have to do is look at ORD and MDW for a good example.

The other thing is, where else is UA going to move some of the IAH service to? There is no other airport in the system that works as well for a latin america feed as IAH, and there is a need for some service over both oceans from IAH. Granted, it isn't going to become SFO to Asia, or EWR to Europe, but at the same time, both airports are maxed out. where IAH is spacious and can expand, not to mention a huge population base and a lot of fortune 500's.


User currently offlinecjpark From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1266 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 3):
Why should Houston care what some airline headquartered in Chicago thinks about this.

Because WN will only take you to the beach and United connects you to the world. Which is more important to the CIty of Houston in the long run?



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8548 times:
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I think this is a PR job for WN. They can't go very far anywhere with a 737.

Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
Now for UA's response...methinks they will try and move the IAH-AKL route to the west coast or something like that.

Your kidding, right?

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 1):
UA will certainly rattle sabres and issue all sorts of dire predictions.

Serious? UA will destroy any attempt WN makes from HOU.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8490 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 15):
They can't go very far anywhere with a 737.

Just to illustrate that this isn't technically true - but clearly WN won't do it - CM flies their 737s over 3,300 miles non-stop, e.g. PTY-MVD.



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Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

On the news tonight: Remember the city said that if there will be international flights from HOU, then Southwest will pay for the facilities used by them. They emphasized that no city money will be spent on this. I think that if Southwest paid for these gates I don't think they would be common use.

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 9):
Nobody specifically compared Houston to New York (at least not in this thread). New York isn't the only metro area with more than one international airport. Sure, Houston's 6+ million people isn't comparable to New York's 22+ million (going by CSAs), but is it comparable to the Bay Area's ~7.5 million? They have international service at all three of SFO, SJC, and OAK.

Folks, you forget how far IAH is from HOU...it is the equivalent of FLL and MIA. The airports serve 2 different markets.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8356 times:
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Quoting cjpark (Reply 14):
Because WN will only take you to the beach and United connects you to the world. Which is more important to the CIty of Houston in the long run?

How is this going to hurt the city of Houston? UA isn't going to do anything to Houston if they allow this, their in a business to make money and their flight decisions arent based on personal feelings.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8253 times:

Quoting cjpark (Reply 14):
Because WN will only take you to the beach and United connects you to the world. Which is more important to the CIty of Houston in the long run?

Not accurate. Business is business, and if United didn't connect Houston to the world the other international carriers will. Look at what happened during CO stagnation at IAH in favor of EWR...the foreign carriers flourished.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 15):
Your kidding, right?

Ask Smisek that. They mentioned redeploying 787s elsewhere when they first got wind of WN plans.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Honestly, it may be healthy for UA. They could differentiate themselves from WN on international routes where they compete.

User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

You don't show up down here in Houston, Texas making threats and I think Smisek and team know this. IMO Smisek doesn't do such a good job at running an airline but he does know how to make the numbers look good. At the end of the day, if Houston is pulling in good numbers then there will be no retaliation for allowing Southwest to proceed with it's Hobby plan.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

If HOU gets a F.I.S. and WN won't fly HOU-PTY, then CM could fly there.
As in NYC, CM won't fly to the same airport used by CO (now UA).
CM flying to HOU could take care of real Houston O/D (enough for an E190 service couple of days per week) while UA IAH could take care of connecting traffic.



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User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

What is UA afraid of? A little competition for some of its leisure destinations to Mexico or C. America ? Most of these travellers are price sensitive and may not be profitable for UA anyway. And we are talking about just a few cities. Southwest is going to pay 100% of the cost of building the terminal. It is no cost to the city. IAH has now the highest hub airfares in the country and especially to Mexico/Central America it is quite high.

My and my family travelled many times to Mexico, Central America, No. South America and we had to use my Onepass miles to do it since prices were outrageous. Some of my friends who wanted to come with me, but bailed after checking the fares. Most of them I know go via DFW, Miami or LAX or use TACA/Aeromexico for cheaper fares.

UA is stating that WN is welcome to start international flights from IAH, how about UA starting services from Hobby ?


25 Atrude777 : Who cares WHERE the destination is as long as the city of Houston gets those passengers, whether via IAH or HOU. The more they can add, the more mone
26 commavia : United's implied (or not-so-implied) threats to scale back or deemphasize the hub are likely empty, just as were AA's regarding DFW when the whole Wri
27 2travel2know2 : This international flights @ HOU issue kind of remind me when AA added capacity from FLL to some of it major international markets nearby just to stop
28 slider : But that's a fallacy ultimately and the media is doing a terrible job of telling this story. Once again, the teflon WN gets a free pass and plays tha
29 LAXintl : Simply put, United wants to avoid further competition so whatever restrictions Hobby operates under the better. Every passenger on WN is potentially o
30 slider : Not a valid comparison in context. For DECADES, WN operated practically rent free at DAL. They had the mother of all sweetheart deals and the Wright
31 rdh3e : Here is the one response I can make to all of you. CO and now UA has been a tremendous partner to the city of Houston. Recently Smisek signed up for
32 Post contains links LoneStarMike : While I agree that no city money will be spent on new facilities at HOU, I'm not so sure WN is going to be the one paying for the facilities. The mem
33 dfwrevolution : 1. Any airline could have operated under the terms of the Wright Amendment along side WN long before WN became the powerhouse it is today. No one cho
34 n471wn : United has no clothes in this dispute-----as Cleveland is finding out, nothing is or should be forever and times have changed and for Houston to miss
35 commavia : Interesting ... News reports from AvWeek are now beginning to delve more deeply in the Southwest/City of Houston claims and underlying analyses, and t
36 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Wouldn't they still have to hire more customs agents if Southwest moved to IAH? Are you asking where the money is coming from to pay for the staffing
37 LAXintl : Why? Each airport has its own cost structure. Why should DAL fees have anything to do with DFW? It actually would be illegal what you suggest cross s
38 steex : That's really the issue. Nothing put out by either WN or UA can be taken at face value since they're both going to skew their assumptions and stateme
39 drerx7 : There are no restrictions on Hobby and no agreement in place besides the fact that there was no commercial FIS at HOU. The fact of the matter is that
40 BC77008 : "This is all under the pretense that there would be ONE international airport in Houston - IAH. Which is what the government promised UA/CO for all t
41 Splitterz : They shouldn't. But why should Houston have to build WN a customs facility in HOU?
42 drerx7 : Because it would benefit Houston if other carriers utilized it, its not an exclusive use facility. In fact, Did anybody bother to look at the attachm
43 slider : Perhaps incrementally--especially since theyre ALREADY short staffed. But to have a total redundant staff at HOU would be grossly inefficient because
44 rdh3e : Correct. This will have zero effect on that. This agreement is for INTL flights. Last time I checked HOU, BWI and LGA are all domestic destinations..
45 apodino : Thinking outside the box here. If WN adds more Int'l flights to HOU...that means that the Houston Airports would collect more in PFC's and Landing fee
46 Post contains links usflyguy : Why didn't UA or CO have a problem with it when the HOU master plan was released several years ago as it includes an international terminal? Obviousl
47 yellowtail : Or better yet, UA should be preemptive and start to drop fares to potential WN destinations now to get people hooked on flying UA. the FF program is
48 Sevensixtyseven : 3365 miles..to be specific..that's at the very edge of the range, but you could do as north as Houston-Anchorage, or as south as Houston-Lima. The on
49 Splitterz : Hardly. WN wouldn't come close to the amount of money that UA brings into the area. I would think they would want to continue that healthy relationsh
50 n471wn : You missed the point------Houston can have it both ways as United has no credibility when they say what they will and will not do.
51 Splitterz : Sure, but why can't WN operate out of IAH? UA has stated that it would have no issue in such a scenario. Why doesn't WN petition Dallas for internati
52 Atrude777 : Wright Amendment Law forbids International Operations at DAL, or otherwise WN would. Curiously...this is the same United who SUPPORTED deregulation b
53 usflyguy : or in 2003 when international facilities were included in the HOU master plan.
54 dfwrevolution : Sigh... the Wright compromise is riddled with issues, but this is a big one. It may take years, but it will be revisited one day, I have no doubt. Gi
55 Post contains images lightsaber : I find it interesting that WN is going international from HOU. The scale of the operations will not be huge. The competition? It will stimulate O&
56 drerx7 : Exactly...that was the time frame where CO was more focused on EWR and they were comfortable at IAH. WN also had pretty much stagnated at HOU.
57 airlineaddict : That's exactly right. As a former volunteer at IAH, I saw wait times for foreign nationals at Customs and Border Patrol exceed 3 hours during the pea
58 BCEaglesCO757 : Thats the point....what do you do with the people that DO want to connect to somewhere southwest DOESN't fly from Hobby. And there are alot of places
59 cjpark : Yes and we all know how much the money spent in an airport helps the local economy. Not a whole lot. Alex, maybe you will answer this question. Is FI
60 dadoftyler : I'll answer for Alex, CJ. Yes, FIS is needed at Hobby if the Houston community wants Southwest or any other Hobby-serving carrier to fly internationa
61 Atrude777 : Simple..they just don't fly Southwest! How is it ANY different from people flying one airline into JFK, and switching over to LGA on different or sam
62 aviationbuff08 : WN has not even operated an International flight to date with Pre-merger WN's reservation systems and airplanes. They are having great difficulties in
63 aznmadsci : Out of curiosity, does the PFC's of IAH and HOU "stay" for the respective airport or do they all funnel into a communal HAS account?
64 usflyguy : That's exactly what WN wants to do... Build their own terminal.
65 LAXintl : PFC funding stays, and is spent at the facility they are collected at. Big no-no to divert such dollars, or utilize them for non authorized uses.
66 Boeing12345 : It's not just United that thinks this is not a good idea. Lufthansa says it would have to reconsider plans to bring in the A380 due to reduced Interna
67 ModernArt : Lufthansa's musings are hogwash. 1) Lufthansa is bringing the A380 to Houston this summer. SWA's international terminal won't be up and running for a
68 bobloblaw : That doesnt make any sense. How does WN flying to latin america from HOU result in less traffic on LH to IAH even taking into consideration LH connec
69 BC77008 : Southwest did that out of the generosity of their hearts to be nice to Continental, another Texas-based carrier, and now look at how they are being t
70 2travel2know2 : CO tried HOU-EWR and left the route, maybe that's how CO thinks they returned the favour of WN leaving IAH?
71 Post contains links drerx7 : www.freehobbyairport.com I've signed the petition myself, but its worth a look to all others to add to the discussion. There is alot of useful albeit
72 Post contains links BCEaglesCO757 : What was I thinking ? After reading Gary Kellys words here at the end of the article. I mean they had the IAH-DAL market. I would have thought they w
73 ouboy79 : Yes until afternoon storms roll in, as normal, and delays back everything up. Why congest everything into IAH when you can try to divide things into
74 hohd : For all those loyalists on UA's behalf: I have been a loyal Continental/United customer for more than 20 years and even I support this. United has mad
75 freakyrat : No one has mentioned Runway lengths at HOU. The longest is 7600 feet. It seems enough for a B737-700 maybe not for an 800 with full load and fuel. I d
76 drerx7 : Well, SY and NW have gotten a DC10 in and out of there, albeit lightly loaded charters. Within the last year we have seen a private 763 and a charter
77 cjpark : The question was is FIS needed at Hobby? Meaning has IAH reached its saturation point? No it has not. But thank you for spinning off into the talking
78 Atrude777 : Wow, so you say LGA/EWR should be closed for JFK...FLL for MIA..BUR/ONT/SNA for LAX...BFI for SEA..MDW for ORD...and on and on and, just so airlines
79 Post contains links BCEaglesCO757 : Like I said earlier....no one made them leave IAH. Maybe we should have left the 686 million we put up for the current expansion and told the city of
80 drerx7 : With all due respect, your argument is ridiculous. WN always had a single route to DAL to try and cater to the O&D - that was it, they never had
81 ouboy79 : Exactly no one is keeping them from competing with anyone...except United-Continental apparently wants to keep them from being able to operate from a
82 LoneStarMike : Actually, they started at IAH on Day 1 and moved to HOU later that year (in Nov.) They went back to IAH in 1980 (coinciding with the closure of BPT)
83 ouboy79 : My bad. LOL Forgot about that.
84 cjpark : Good try; ironically you actually named some airports in markets where capacity cannot meet demand. Additional airports and services are justified (a
85 Post contains images drerx7 : Uhhhh yes you can? What are you on? IAH couldn't not absorb WN ops if it was even an option. IAH has a few gates available in A...that's it. Above al
86 sccutler : This whole kerfufle is funny. With a metopoltan area of over six million people, there area actually people who, with a straight face, argue that only
87 Jerseyguy : Sure you should have because we all know you didnt gain anything from the deal. That was just a nice gift to the City of Houston, right?
88 cjpark : And that makes it the publics responsibility to pony up to provide it right? Wrong again! There is a reason why the airline industry is so heavily re
89 usflyguy : Anyway, why should the public be responsible for a portion of that construction at IAH that is used by 1 airline? There is enough demand that they ca
90 drerx7 : Well first of all, Southwest is footing the bill. Second of all, the PFCs incurred for the use of the FIS that is COMMON USE at both IAH and HOU bene
91 yellowtail : Everyone thinks WN will come in and offer drastically lower fares on HOU-SAL (for example)....WN may lower their fares....but just lowering them $100
92 2travel2know2 : True that FLL isn't in the same county as MIA and aren't administrated by the same entity, but look how the foreign-based (and FLL) competition have
93 yellowtail : I would argue that from certain C. american destinations probably more often Realistically, based on current UA service, I see WN with its 5 gates st
94 slider : No, it's not. It's about allocating finite resources, in this case, precious FIS personnel that are ALREADY short-handed. There has been a ton of inv
95 sccutler : This is, without a doubt, the single most substantive basis for discussion. Hobby is already, and will remain, a Customs Rights airport. If there is
96 yellowtail : Yet there are airports that have very few international flights...SAT, MDW, MSY, TPA that are completely overstaffed with FIS personnel. This is a po
97 apodino : If I may weigh in here. Regardless of the level of airline service at HOU...it is always going to exist as an airport regardless of the amount of airl
98 usflyguy : You are wrong! Why? Because UA says so! So... If WN starts international service at IAH, they can handle the additional traffic with the same number
99 cjpark : Who pays the PFC's? The public! No matter how you spin it the public always pays whether in use fees or taxes. Again since when does an airline wanti
100 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Southwest is going to start international expansion. Their 1st choice is HOU. If that is denied, their 2nd choice will be another city! "Southwest wil
101 2travel2know2 : So how long is going to take to have that International concourse @ HOU ready?
102 slider : For both comments, however, it's my contention that this is a barrier and a legitimate one. You are both correct that there is a policy aspect to thi
103 737tanker : It will most likely happen faster than it is going to take for WN to fix their IT so it can handle international reservations![Edited 2012-04-16 10:0
104 IAHworldflyer : So most of the argument against WN opening up international service from HOU comes down to the amount of FIS agents needed and whether these agents wi
105 strfyr51 : All that you SAY is True HOWEVER look at the finer Point?? IF Hoston OVERTLY ignores UAL's concerns? Then UAL has NO reason other than to continue th
106 IAHworldflyer : These men's backgrounds are what's important. Kellner had been the CEO of a California bank before being recruited to CO by Gordan Bethune. Smisek ha
107 yellowtail : FLL is not an option for WN. WN have publicly stated that the want a middle off the USA / gulf coast airport for their int' ops. They have publicly s
108 2travel2know2 : For what I've seen of HOU, if they're willing to set for temporary F.I.S. in 8 weeks HOU could get one, albeit for only one arrival every 60-75 min.
109 yellowtail : They need top have 3 gates arrival minimum to start. Departures can go from any gate. The real issue is not immigration. It is CPB and secure baggage
110 Post contains images lightsaber : Interesting. Than 'coastal' international operations will be a future growth mode. Oh, you probably noticed my typo. DAL not MDW... oops. I agree. I
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