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Allegiant Announces Hawaii  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15908 times:

Fresno - begins June 30
Las Vegas - begins June 29

http://ir.allegiantair.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=662895


The carrier will offer introductory fares as low as $174* one-way, including taxes and fees, from Honolulu International Airport (HNL) to:

1. Fresno, Calif. — begins June 30 with fares as low as 174* each way

2. Las Vegas — begins June 29 with fares as low as $174* each way

Flight days and times for all markets can be found at allegiant.com.

"The announcement of service to Hawaii is a great achievement for Allegiant," Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant president, said. "Service to Las Vegas and Fresno reflects a moderate growth plan by our company. With the addition of the four aircraft we have acquisitioned, we plan to expand service to other mainland cities in the future. We anticipate the service will be very popular, especially when customers take advantage of Allegiant's low pricing when bundling their air, hotel and car rental package."

Allegiant is more than an airline, it's an innovative travel company dedicated to providing the best travel deals to its customers. Linking U.S. cities to world-class leisure destinations, Allegiant provides low-cost travel packages that include not only air, but hotel, rental car and attractions. Founded in 1997, Allegiant became a public company in December 2006, under the Allegiant Travel Company name and trades on the NASDAQ under ticker ALGT. Allegiant is led by a team of successful airline industry veterans who take the proven attributes of the low-cost airline business model and creatively adapted them to best serve the company's targeted leisure clientele and destinations.

Allegiant's $174* one-way fares are limited, not available on all flights and must be purchased by April 30, 2012 for travel by Nov. 13, 2012.

[Edited 2012-04-10 03:24:39]


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15902 times:

$174?! That's amazing! Too bad I couldn't afford to do anything other than fly there and back.  

But about time they announced this. We've known it was coming for over a year.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15885 times:

Don't hold it to me, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more cities to Hawaii announced throughout the day today.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19104 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15875 times:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
The carrier will offer introductory fares as low as $174* one-way, including taxes and fees

Just seen one-way, all-inclusive offers of $149.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2886 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15831 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Just seen one-way, all-inclusive offers of $149.

I was going to say 174 was too high, AS often times has specials to Hawaii on their deals tab, on their website that are around 159 from PDX, OAK, SJC, BLI. I did always think LAS would be one of the first cities G4 connected to the Islands.
FAT is not a surprise either, G4 wanted to served currently unserved markets from Hawaii and they are doing just that. Great job getting ETOPS G4 and Good Luck with the foray into the Islands, hope to see you on outer Islands soon, and hope you connect EUG to Hawaii, then my 3 original guesses will have come true. According to G4's interactive route map, SCK has a flight showihg to HNL as well, someone said they could be announcing more today.

[Edited 2012-04-10 04:22:51]


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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15770 times:

About time, just what we need another airline flying to Hawaii. Soon Virgin America will be flying there too.


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 980 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15660 times:

Their interactive route map shows SCK-HNL non-stop.


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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15598 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 5):
Soon Virgin America will be flying there too

And Southwest is not far behind.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15585 times:

The route map on the websites draws to Stockton but lists Fresno.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 15494 times:

Glad to see it, but it's disheartening that G4's new route announcements keep getting further & further away geographically from a still-successful GSP station...  


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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 15313 times:

There's also 4 new routes from Punta Gorda.


Ft Wayne
Niagara Falls/Buffalo
Peoria
South Bend



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15279 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 9):

Glad to see it, but it's disheartening that G4's new route announcements keep getting further & further away geographically from a still-successful GSP station...  

You have southwest now. I'd not worry about anyone else adding anything, especially G4.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15108 times:

I wonder if RFD will get one-stop service since I don't think the 757's can make it N/S to Hawaii from there?

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14937 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
You have southwest now. I'd not worry about anyone else adding anything, especially G4.

I'm pretty sure WN is now serving a different market than G4. 15 years ago? Yeah, then I'd see them as basically interchangeable back then, but WN has made no bones about going after a more business-oriented market for years now. And, WN is nowhere near being the low-fare leader they once were.

[Edited 2012-04-10 06:49:50]


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14662 times:

Nice to finally see these going.

The starting schedule is 3X week for LAS-HNL (depart LAS on Wed/Fri/Sat) and 1X week for FAT-HNL (depart FAT on Sun). I expect those will increase. Also expect to hear about many more 757 destinations.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Just seen one-way, all-inclusive offers of $149.

That is for the LAS to HNL flights. FAT-HNL are at the $174 a little higher since this is the only nonstop service,

[Edited 2012-04-10 08:15:24]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6948 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
1. Fresno, Calif. — begins June 30 with fares as low as 174* each way

2. Las Vegas — begins June 29 with fares as low as $174* each way

wow, looks great!

Will they be using their 757s on these routes?



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Will they be using their 757s on these routes?

They bought the 757 specifically for serving Hawaii.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6948 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14367 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
They bought the 757 specifically for serving Hawaii.

Who did they get the 757 from? Had to be an airline's ex-ETOPS aircraft



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14268 times:

LAS-HNL is a surprise to me as G4 has maintained since the beginning of Hawaii-talk that they wouldn't fly there from any big (already) served cities. Could this also mean they will now start offering connections from other cities to HNL over LAS or are they truly just after the local traffic?

Nice to see Fresno getting the nod!  

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
Could this also mean they will now start offering connections from other cities to HNL over LAS or are they truly just after the local traffic?

The problem with connections at LAS still is the limited frequency to many of their cities. If a passenger misconnects the next flight to Hawaii or to home might be 2 or 3 days later.

The limited schedule for LAS-HNL indicates to me that it is O&D oriented. Daily service from day one might have indicated something else.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13832 times:

Andrew Levy was just on Bloomberg and said Allegiant's looking at adding 16 seats to the MD80 fleet.


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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13630 times:

This was along time coming and has been anticipated ever since they got the 757s. But why fly from Fresno? It is a pretty small town with a small pop., so I don't see the benefit. I also don't see the benefit of flying from one tourist city to another.

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9238 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

Quoting penguins (Reply 22):
I also don't see the benefit of flying from one tourist city to another.

Average, every day, working people do live in a tourist city.

And those average, every day working people do like to go on vacation, despite living in a tourist destination themselves.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13508 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
1. Fresno, Calif. — begins June 30 with fares as low as 174* each way

2. Las Vegas — begins June 29 with fares as low as $174* each way

wow, looks great!

If you're traveling with just the clothes on your back.



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13837 times:

Quoting penguins (Reply 22):
I also don't see the benefit of flying from one tourist city to another.

I think more details were in another G4 thread, but isn't Las Vegas the largest destination for locals out of Hawaii?


25 drerx7 : Yes it is the largest destination from Hawaii. It is an underserved market nonstop at least. Omni has the 762 from CO on the route and thats part of a
26 Confuscius : Yep, it's the 9th island. Hawaiians here in Vegas head to the high grounds when there's a tsunami warning in Hawaii.[Edited 2012-04-10 10:28:20]
27 n471wn : you need to re-visit the census data---a huge population in and around the Fresno area While I love WN, one giant opportunity they missed is not serv
28 FATFlyer : Fresno MSA is one of the largest current sources of Hawaii tourists that did not have nonstops to the islands. And small? Not really, about 1 million
29 whatusaid : Fresno isn't a small town. There's 1 million within an hour of the airport and the the number of people who fly to Hawaii from either Fresno or the B
30 Concordski : I would have been surprised if Fresno was not in the first batch of announced cities. Keep in mind that G4 was founded in Fresno 15 years ago so they
31 aloha73g : I believe more people fly to Las Vegas from Hawaii than anywhere else. The entire "Downtown" casino scene caters to people from Hawaii....go there so
32 yeelep : I think they have six 757's, all from Thomson Airways. I don't know whether they were ex-ETOPS planes. It doesn't really matter as they can be conver
33 gatorman96 : Yeelep is correct... 7 total, 1 active, 2 stored, 3 incoming, 1 scrapped: N902NV, Active, from Thomsonfly N901NV, Due, from Thomson Airways, leased t
34 FATFlyer : That area is closer to 3 million. For those who don't know the region, Modesto (100 miles north of FAT) to Bakersfield (115 miles south of FAT) would
35 FATFlyer : Keep an eye out for SCK and SMX to be announced.
36 QANTAS747-438 : FAT-HNL????? I'm sorry, but I do not understand Allegiant at ALL. What market is there to fly from Fresno to HNL? It's roughly 4hrs driving time from
37 n471wn : Read the prior posts
38 FATFlyer : Again, Fresno is one of the largest sources of Hawaii tourists that did not currently have a non-stop. Other large unserved markets include Stockton M
39 BoeingGuy : Sort of. It depends on whether the airplanes had Hydraulic Motor Generators (HMGs) or at least provisions for such. 757s and 767s without at least th
40 PHX787 : I'm really unfamiliar with G4's business structure, like, if this is the "travel package" everybody keeps talking about, or just the actual flight. I
41 Post contains links Pe@rson : http://www.allegiantair.com/aaFeesForOurServices.php
42 FATFlyer : Many of the cities you listed do not have current Allegiant ops like FAT or are too far for Allegiant's 757s to do nonstop. It probably helps reduce
43 AWACSooner : Well, all I can say is that the new BS carryon charge will be a cash cow for them on the Hawaii routes...so good luck to all the pax.
44 DesertAir : I can´t wait to see those 757s flying into Stockton. It is interesting that as a depressed area, San Joaquin County and surrounding areas support LA
45 drerx7 : And UA IAD-HNL
46 avi8 : What's the frequency for these routes?
47 whatusaid : LAS is 3X week. FAT 1X week. Fresno's Airport's Director will be on KMJ580 tonight at 5 to discuss the new service. They have an on-line feed.
48 laxboeingman : I too am glad they finally announced this. However, I am surprised with FAT; I did not expect that. I did not even know FAT had the facilities to hold
49 SANFan : I'm surprised at the number of people posting here who are surprised at the announcement of Fresno. There are, I guess, quite a few a.netters who have
50 EA CO AS : Keep in mind that this list is based solely on number of travelers only, so the appearance of the NY/NJ/LI MSA as high as it is on this list is likel
51 QANTAS747-438 : I personally am surprised because I would think that an airline starting out a new route would want to connect as many paxs as possible. That would m
52 QXatFAT : The people in those other counties are already excited. My parents called up to me today to let me know about the service that live in Fresno. They a
53 FATFlyer : Actually that is only the population in the city limits. As I said before in all of Fresno County it is close to 1 million residents, not counting th
54 Post contains images B727FA : Yeah, why fly from NYC to MCO? And, as BoeingGuy said, with enough money...but equally so, a couple of the biggies are the HMG's and the Satcom. I be
55 Tomassjc : Wouldn't there be a bit of a take off weight penalty with a 757 SMX-HNL, unless they've extended the runway since I landed there last. Tomas SJC
56 FATFlyer : They are wrapping up a runway extension at SMX right now. Its supposed to open to traffic in May.
57 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : So it makes more sense to you for people to drive 4 hours into a congested metro area than to fly from their local airport? If 3 million people aren'
58 slcdeltarumd11 : Fresno doesn't surprise me its also a good test for the smaller markets. I think they have a good chance at making it work. Could fresno support daily
59 ouboy79 : At some point the "X airport is only 2 hours away people should drive" is going to become a moot point. With gas prices escalating people aren't goin
60 RWA380 : Only 7 spots down from FAT is EUG, I'm betting we'll see HNL-EUG. Keep in mind HNL is one of the fat spots on G4's route map, they will expand to sec
61 bjorn14 : FAT doesn't surprise me but LAS does. G4 has repeatedly stated that don't do competitive routes. So with a double daily from HA it does.
62 FATFlyer : I've been watching the fares the first couple of days to try to partially gauge market response. Of course, I don't know the size of each fare bucket,
63 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Interestingly HA is offering R/T service to islands for fares in the range $318.00 and $358.00 today only Thursday 4/12/2012 fare is valid from six le
64 YNGguins : Allegiant (ALGT) stock price target up to $74. Investors loving the expansion into Hawaii and Southwest Florida, but really loving the carry-on fee!
65 BoeingGuy : AS is missing out on some of these potentially successful niche markets. I think that BLI-HNL was a stroke of genius and by all accounts the route is
66 n471wn : As much as you may think AS has missed out on, there is no comparison on how much HA has missed out on!
67 mark8762 : This has already been done on quite a few aircraft, in fact all aircraft based at BLI, IWA, and LAX are 166 seats. In addition, when the 757 went in
68 yeelep : I've heard the opposite, that BLI to Hawaii is the least profitable of Alaska's mainland to Hawaii pairings.
69 luv2fly : Looking at the volume of fees G4 charges I can't imagine why people even fly them. I can't imagine after adding on all of the fees associated with boo
70 FATFlyer : For us in Fresno it has been a big savings even with the fees. FAT-HNL runs hundreds of dollars higher on the legacies than flying out of SoCal or th
71 YNGguins : The base fares in Youngstown start out at 40%-50% lower than AirTran/Southwest at CAK-CLE-PIT. Factor in the fees and Allegiant is still cheaper; esp
72 mark8762 : The first thing they teach you in orientation after being hired is that Allegiant is not an airline, it is a travel company. After being with them a
73 dlramp4life : That is true. How everything works at G4 is different from any other airline espically with the selling that they you want you do. I miss working G4
74 HiFlyerAS : Knowing how AS operates, they absolutely HATE flying a route that doesn't turn a profit. Very few AS routes operate at a loss and are only continued
75 Bluewave 707 : Soon as AAY gets all 6 752s in their hands, i can see LAS-HNL going daily, FAT-HNL going at least 2x weekly, and new routes announced to HNL ...
76 BoeingGuy : Yeah, I know it's been discussed time and time again that full flights don't necessarily mean they are profitable but I've heard that flight is prett
77 Post contains links FATFlyer : Since the FAT flights are operated by QX/OO instead of AS mainline that likely entered into the decision. They would have had to route a 737 thru Fre
78 slcdeltarumd11 : Allegiant is a very interesting airline when you really look at them. They fly to some unique airports and have little N/S competition on alot of the
79 SANFan : Oh now hold on a minute 'Guy. Most of these new G4 Hawaii-routes will be 2 or maybe 3x weekly. And probably to HNL only -- at least for a while. (I w
80 RWA380 : I too think BLI-HNL was a good idea by AS, but it still under performs their other Hawaii flights, I think in this instance G4 a few days a week woul
81 HiFlyerAS : AS has zero interest in the 1x, 2x markets that G4 does. They would never even consider flying to Hawaii from FAT, SCK, EUG, etc....there are much bi
82 Post contains images BoeingGuy : One way to tap into a high potential market there is to figure out how to add some ETOPS equipped 737-700s to their fleet.
83 B727FA : 3 Lavs for 223 people? Yikes!
84 FATFlyer : Keep an eye out for mainland to OGG flights from Allegiant. That may start fairly soon as the fleet ramps up. But the smaller islands like LIH and KO
85 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : That's horrible....one lav for every 70 people. There oughta be a law! I just can't imagine that many people on 757. Did someone say 30" pitch? Sound
86 AWACSooner : Could be worse...could be NK's A320's!
87 Post contains links SSTeve : Sure there aren't 4? With basically no galley space, you can get this: http://www.seatmaestro.com/airplanes...nes-boeing-b757-200-version-2.html ...
88 HiFlyerAS : I thought I'd read that they'd removed a lav...I'm assuming it's the one to the right of the L1 door. That leaves one adjacent to the flight deck and
89 mark8762 : Yes, that is how it is configured.
90 wedgetail737 : I think WN is more poised to give AS a run for their money...or healthy competition on routes from OAK, SJC or SAN where they have many more connecti
91 SSTeve : So it is 3 for 223. Which is 74 people per lav. That is about the highest ratio that I can find, but not unprecedented. And of course they're going t
92 HiFlyerAS : Good point about no queuing for the front lav. Pity the person that comes out and the rush to be next for the forward lav!! They'll be knocked on the
93 RWA380 : I agree with ya wedge, I also think AS is fully marking their territory, but agreed they wouldn't stay just for a pissing match.
94 aloha73g : HA has 1 for 123 on its 717s. AQ had 1 for 127 on its 732s. Granted, they're only for super-short interisland flights, but the ratio is still "worse.
95 slcdeltarumd11 : I think southwest is gonna give the legacies a run for their money on LAX-HNL. This is why i think Allegiant has to see how these do and might want to
96 RWA380 : G4 should have chosen to keep something at LGB, with the only non-stop from there, bargain hunters in the LA area, are willing to drive as well to wh
97 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah but Allegiant already has a much larger operation at LAX so i think they decided to consolidate. I think LGB was chosen specifically for that rea
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