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KE 777 Emergency Landing In Comox,BC  
User currently offlinesfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18979 times:

Interesting to see this bird in Comox!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-korean-air-emergency-landing.html

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User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18971 times:

What do the U.S. Air Force fighter jets have to do with this? It just reminds me of Sgt. Tackleberry from Police Academy.

[Edited 2012-04-10 18:24:40]


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User currently offlineAir77 From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18874 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 1):
What do the U.S. Air Force fighter jets have to do with this? It just reminds me of Sgt. Tackleberry from Police Academy.

Because scrambling the CF-18 out of Cold Lake would likely take too long. I believe up to the mid 80's CFB Comox had a squadron of CF-101 before they were retired.


User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18809 times:

You beat me to starting this topic by 1 minute. I will have to request that my thread be removed.

When I googled the incident it actually said it was CF-18's that were escorting the plane. Hopefully someone can offer some clarification.



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User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18790 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 1):

What do the U.S. Air Force fighter jets have to do with this?

Perhaps because NORAD requested the closest fighters, and it was the ones based at PDX?

Also: 149 people on board? A typo or a typical load for this flight?


User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 18624 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 1):
What do the U.S. Air Force fighter jets have to do with this?



That is a really good question that I am interested in. The Flight departed YVR en-route ICN and returned to a Canadian Military air field. However we know the media over states stuff with aviation too.

My guess is just to make sure it doesn't become a hijacking with YVR extremely close to US airspace. Not to mention that a 777 with fuel for a TPAC flight would have the range for any city on the Western Coast of the US. I doubt the US fighters ever got near the Korean Air plane but were airborne off the coast of Washington State as a precaution. Unless of course the Canadian authorities requested the US to have fighter jets escort the airplane but I would think they would have their own fighters capable of doing such a task.

[Edited 2012-04-10 18:54:22]

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18207 times:

Quoting Air77 (Reply 2):
Because scrambling the CF-18 out of Cold Lake would likely take too long

Are there no Hornet's at YQQ these days? Just a SAR base with Buff's & Coromorant's?



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User currently offlineHorizonGirl From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 807 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18114 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 7):
Are there no Hornet's at YQQ these days? Just a SAR base with Buff's & Coromorant's?

I don't believe any are based there at this time, they just have the SAR base, as well as the Auroras. I do see them there frequently, though.

That aside, I can't image what a sight that would be to see, a KE 777 in Comox? I am glad to hear that they were able to land without incident.


Devon



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User currently offlinestuYYZ From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18045 times:

I heard on the radio that the bomb threat was called in to KE's Los Angeles (maybe Sanfran's) office. Maybe that's why the US got involved.

User currently offlineAir77 From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17777 times:

[quote=HorizonGirl,reply=8]I don't believe any are based there at this time, they just have the SAR base, as well as the Auroras. I do see them there frequently, though.[/quote

That's correct. 442 Squadron SAR and the Auroras. It is setup to be a forward operating base of the CF-18 and they do visit on occasion, however they do not have a permanent presence. The Snowbirds also do their spring training there. If they are not there already they should be in the next week.


User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17166 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 1):

What do the U.S. Air Force fighter jets have to do with this?

Here in Europe after the 9/11 almost every Country has an agreement with its neighbours that allows a fighter jet escorting a flight under terrorists treats or a sospicious one to continue the escort, no matter if doing this it will get out from its air space.

Obviously as soon as the fighters of the second Country are ready to take the baton in this duty, the fighters coming from the previous Country will come back to their home base.

This to minimize the risk that a suspicious a/c may flight without escort while overflying from a Country to another one.

It is quite realistic to imagine that a similar agreement has been set also between US and Canada.


User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14608 times:

Does anyone know the registration number? I've been on KE 777s several times recently (flight #KE073, KE074)....It could possibly the one! It would be quite interesting if it was the bird I've flown on just a few weeks ago.


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User currently offlineCrossChecked From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14509 times:

Quoting softrally (Reply 11):
It would be quite interesting if it was the bird I've flown on just a few weeks ago.

It would? Why? What would make it more interesting than if it were any other aircraft in the fleet?



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

This is not the first KE jet enroute to the US had been escorted down by military jets. IIRC, there was a KE 747 that was not communicating with the best English, and was forced down at Whitehorse, I think, don't remember if that was something to do with 9/11 when flights to the US were grounded, or not, but I am almost 100% sure it was KE before.


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User currently offlineboeing773W From South Africa, joined Mar 2012, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

Quoting CrossChecked (Reply 12):
Quoting softrally (Reply 11):
It would be quite interesting if it was the bird I've flown on just a few weeks ago.

It would? Why? What would make it more interesting than if it were any other aircraft in the fleet?

Are you serious?   
I'm sure the guy means that it'll be interesting for him personally as the aircraft would have some personal significance in his life. Nothing wrong with that.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13918 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
This is not the first KE jet enroute to the US had been escorted down by military jets. IIRC, there was a KE 747 that was not communicating with the best English, and was forced down at Whitehorse, I think, don't remember if that was something to do with 9/11 when flights to the US were grounded, or not, but I am almost 100% sure it was KE before.

It was on 9/11, and it sqwaked for hijacking as i recall as well.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13399 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 15):
It was on 9/11, and it sqwaked for hijacking as i recall as well

Thanks for that, my memory was fuzzy, but I was almost sure it was 9/11.  



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User currently offlinetempest1944 From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12647 times:

The KE 777 is still here, though is ready to leave. It should be off the ground fairly soon. Its a pretty big event, here...not very often that anything bigger than a 737-8 or C-17 lands here.

I have often wondered why we don't have a couple CF-18s permanently based here...this shows why we should. Having USAF F-15s escort the plane here is amusing; seeing as if we did have CF-18s here, they could've done it.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12014 times:
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Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 5):
Not to mention that a 777 with fuel for a TPAC flight would have the range for any city on the Western Coast of the US.

It would've had fuel for at least 10 hours of flying which would put all of North America, Western Europe and parts of S. America within its range. Ofc NORAD would've shot it down if the pilot didn't do exactly as instructed given the threat posed.


User currently offlineboeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11994 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
This is not the first KE jet enroute to the US had been escorted down by military jets.

This flight was not enroute to the US. It departed YVR to ICN. The only reason that the USAF intercepted the flight was that NORAD controls the airspace and the Alert F-15's at PDX were the closest asset available for the mission.

This speaks volumes about the lack of our own assets to protect our airspace. Back in the days of the CF-101 we at least had an interceptor asset available on both coasts. This won't get any better when the CF-18 is replaced by the meager number of F-35's we're buying.

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John



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User currently offlineflyboyseven From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11219 times:

Wow. That would be quite the sight to see. YQQ is my home airport. I was up there just a couple days ago. That would have been pretty cool to see.

How long would it take an F-15 to get to YQQ from Portland vs a CF-18 from Cold Lake? Portland is quite a lot closer, 270nm vs 610nm. How long a flight is that?



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11033 times:

Quoting softrally (Reply 11):
Does anyone know the registration number?

Av Herald says HL7734

http://avherald.com/h?article=44dd2cea&opt=0



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User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10923 times:

Back to the load, 149 does seem like a light load.

User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 21):

Dear! I've been on that bird before..... January 31, 2012 KE073 ICN-YYZ as I remember. I will have to check again later.



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User currently offlineBoeingorbust From Canada, joined Oct 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 22):
Back to the load, 149 does seem like a light load.

Probably not a money maker, that's for sure!


25 WestJetYQQ : Let's go with the high altitude max speeds of both, Mach 2.5+ for the F-15 and only Mach 1.8 for the F18. Let's pretend they were dispatched direct t
26 boeingfixer : The CF-18 would have had to make a fuel stop before intercepting the 777. It's not known for its long range. The Alert F-15's would have been able to
27 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : I forgot to add that to my post! That's also a really good point... Canada's fighters are so sparse they'd have to refuel before an interception. Wow
28 HorizonGirl : I agree that not having CF-18s in Comox is an issue that should be fixed, cold lake is just a bit too far to go. It's a good thing that they seem to
29 RobertS975 : There is another factor which is difficult to understand... why have your interceptors based at a field which is in the middle of a vast country? Shou
30 tempest1944 : Any fighters coming from Cold Lake to here would have to be refueled...thus why we need 2 or more CF-18s permanently posted to both Greenwood, and Co
31 redzeppelin : Perhaps the logic is similar to Fallon Naval Air Station in Nevada. It seems odd to have a naval air station so far from the coast, but there is good
32 solarflyer22 : That's exactly the purpose. Russian Bears go toward Alaska or through the polar region. Now why the Canadians bought F-18's instead of F-15 is a diff
33 B747forever : I hope they catch the idiot that called in the threat, two days in a row, and the same flight both times. What, did the moron have a bad experience on
34 sasd209 : according to wiki (yes, I know....) "The NORAD commander is an American four-star General, or equivalent." "In recent years deputy commanders have al
35 Powerslide : This is the primary reason why we don't have fighters anymore in Comox. Another reason is the lack of funding, we don't have the money to operate a Q
36 tp1040 : The 18 has a short combat radius of less than 500 nmi, but I can understand carrier needs. The 15 is a long range fighter/bomber with a radius of over
37 redzeppelin : Does the combat radius imply one-way distance, with the expectation of returning to the point of origin without refueling? If so, the radius isn't rea
38 Post contains images Powerslide : You are right, Military commanders have no idea how to delegate assets.
39 Post contains links Viscount724 : Not correct. See the NORAD press release. http://www.norad.mil/News/2012/041112.html Excerpt: The fighters were scrambled out of Portland, Ore. The K
40 tempest1944 : They can transit from Cold Lake to here just fine, yes. But to do any missions, the CF-18s would have to refuel here before doing the missions. I'm s
41 Asiaflyer : Its a light load, but I am not surprised. I was on SQ15 SFO-ICN-SIN recently, and the load was probably similar on the SFO-ICN leg, and not very much
42 aviationbuff08 : Well my first though was to station a few aerial refueling tankers at CYQQ that can be already fueled and launched to support CF-18 from CFB Cold Lak
43 tp1040 : Yep, our military leaders always know best and never respond to politics.
44 Post contains images YVRLTN : It was for the YQQ spotters, the F15 is a waaay cooler plane than our F18's Anyway, KE72 just departed YQQ at 1741 and arrived back at YVR 1802.
45 toltommy : So why did it go to YQQ to begin with? looking at Flightaware, it appears to have turned around, passed YQQ on the way to YVR, only to turn back to YQ
46 threepoint : Cold Lake takes advantage of the vast & (until-recently) remote Primrose Air Weapons Range training area used for bombing exercises (and home to
47 tempest1944 : Wikipedia lies....we have some Hercs that we use for ariel refueling. One of them may or may not have been destroyed in a mid-air fire in Florida a c
48 YVRLTN : KE72 has now departed YVR at 2028 to ICN
49 kanban : they may get some F-35's in the next 10 years or so that won't have much to do..
50 WestJetYQQ : The local population also gets all upset during the summers when they hear the overbearing noise of the gliders that operate from comox. Most of the
51 boeingfixer : Actually, Wikipedia has it right. It lists 2 CC-150T Polaris(Airbus A310-300) tankers along with our 5 CC-130HT Hercules tankers of which one might u
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