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Bolivia's AeroSur Ceases Operations  
User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 19673 times:

The largest Bolivian international airline is ceasing operations as of today (March 31, 2012). The airline's official website is down and its ticket offices have been closed down.


http://www.abc.es/20120331/economia/...cese-operaciones-201203311621.html (in Spanish)
http://expreso.info/es/noticias/tran...a_operaciones_al_entrar_en_quiebra (in Spanish)


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 19444 times:

Argh... not another one!   My best wishes to the employees and the stranded passengers!


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User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 19386 times:

Sad news. I thought AeroSur would've thrived with the demise of LAB.

Would LAN or TACA be interested in setting up shop in Bolivia?

[Edited 2012-03-31 13:36:15]

User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 19311 times:

Strangely coincides with the return of the 744 to VS.

User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8515 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 19302 times:
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This is one small Latin airline which I hoped would thrive. I loved the " Super Torisimo" and " El Sharko". What happened ?

User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

This is also historic as Aerosur had the last two operational B727's from the US. One former AA and one former UA that they were flying to the the end. As far as I can track these were the last two operational B727's as far as were continually operated in Passenger Service here in the US by Aerosur.

[Edited 2012-03-31 14:17:07]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 19172 times:

Isn't this what the borderline-communist Bolivian government wants? Now state-owned BoA can takeover the long-haul flying to Miami, Madrid and Washington.


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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8515 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 19151 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Isn't this what the borderline-communist Bolivian government wants? Now state-owned BoA can takeover the long-haul flying to Miami, Madrid and Washington.

Thats just what Latin America needs, a minature AR run for the benefit of the "workers".


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 19071 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):
My best wishes to the employees

They will be absored by BoA. They have rather ambitious growth plans for the future.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Isn't this what the borderline-communist Bolivian government wants? Now state-owned BoA can takeover the long-haul flying to Miami, Madrid and Washington.

With plans to open up New York and Paris apparently.

It's a real shame though. I would expect the quality of BoA to be below that of AeroSur (not that I have any evidence) and their livery is drab too. Unless they buy IL96s or A380s to start the long haul, this is a sad day in aviation.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 19031 times:

Sad to see yet another carrier to fold.

The livery on their 747-400 was quite nice.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 18913 times:

Well, from what I gathered TAM Bolivia and BoA had artificially low prices so there was no way for AeroSur to compete. Combine that with their awesome but from an operational point of view suboptimal fleet and the writing was on the wall.

Very sad though, as they seemed to love who they were and what they were doing.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 18770 times:

so sad. I've flown my only 727 flight on them, it was CP-2462. It was a very nice carrier, good service and amazing fleet, operating in a very harsh environment. really, so sad

Does anyone know where the fleet will go? scrapyard? BoA?

[Edited 2012-03-31 15:09:37]

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):
My best wishes to the employees and the stranded passengers!

Same here. Madrid Airport's Terminal 1 must have been a mess today with all those stranded passengers who were due to fly to Bolivia today.

What's worse, though, is that now Bolivia doesn't have any direct air link with Europe anymore, as AeroSur was the only airline flying between Spain and Bolivia. And I seriously doubt that IB will launch flights to Bolivia given their own problems.

Washington DC and Cuzco, among other cities, have also lost their direct air links to Bolivia.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 2):
Would LAN or TACA be interested in setting up shop in Bolivia?

Not as long as Evo Morales remains the President of the Plurinational State of Bolivia.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Isn't this what the borderline-communist Bolivian government wants?

Yes. As a matter of fact, President Morales publicly showed his dislike for the airline all these years.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Now state-owned BoA can takeover the long-haul flying to Miami, Madrid and Washington.
Quoting something (Reply 8):
With plans to open up New York and Paris apparently.

They can but they don't currently have any suitable aircraft to fly long-haul. Also, BoA's expansion hasn't been that succesful. Most recently, they ceased their operations on the Cochabamba-Lima route after barely 2 months of operation.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6616 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 18352 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
What happened ?

Evo Morales and BOA happened.


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 17906 times:

Ragazzo,

are you kidding me? Noooo!!! I always wanted to fly AeroSur!  

Plus, I totally loved their livery!!! At least I posses a copy of one of their older in-flight magazines my dad gave me when he flew AeroSur last year. I will put that magazine in a vitrine or something now  Smile

This is a very sad day for Latin American aviation! Best wishes to the pax with tickets and the employees  

Adam

[Edited 2012-03-31 16:32:15]


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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1299 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 17462 times:

So all is the fault of the president despite the fact that the airline tries to have a viable business using 727...
The problem with this airline was its businessmodel not a president.

Hopefully it closing down will mean that BoA the Cochabamba run airline modernises and tries to become a successfull entity in itself. Its a staterun enterprise but since both Avianca and Lan has been interested in investing in Ecuador I dont see why they would shun Bolivia. After all, the Bolivian airports are owned by Spanish company Albertis.



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User currently offlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 17446 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):

Evo Morales and BOA happened.

Exactly. Evidently AeroSur had been on the chopping block for some time. It is a sad thing to see them disappear.   



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 17229 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
Same here. Madrid Airport's Terminal 1 must have been a mess today with all those stranded passengers who were due to fly to Bolivia today.

Hmmm.....I wonder how they were re-routed. Either on AA via MIA or TAM, would be my guesses.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 17055 times:

Sad to hear of the demise of an airline that had the boldest liveries in the skies in the last decade. Best of luck to all of the affected employees.


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User currently offlineCyanide72 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 16940 times:

Aww, another airline goes. Well wishes to the employees, certainly not a good year thus far for some airlines.

User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3309 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 16671 times:
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Sharko came into Miami this morning. My first time seeing it. Now I am even more thankful!!!

Aerosur has had another 767 has been parked on the North side of the airport for a few weeks now.

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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 16594 times:
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I knew I should have taken their DC3 sightseeing tour when I had the chance.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 16530 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 15):
So all is the fault of the president despite the fact that the airline tries to have a viable business using 727...

Isn't Bolivia receiving cheap oil from Venezuela in return for Evo's friendship? Anyway, there were few 727s - if any - left in service, so it's not like they didn't notice.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 15):
The problem with this airline was its businessmodel not a president.

AeroSur is/was from the media luna.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 15):
Its a staterun enterprise but since both Avianca and Lan has been interested in investing in Ecuador I dont see why they would shun Bolivia.

Oh, I can - Bolivia is, unfortunately, not the most stable of countries and still very poor in comparison to its neighbours... the big ones, anyway. So you'd have to be lucky to get a return on your investment and you might even lose it altogether.



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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 16238 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 14):
are you kidding me? Noooo!!! I always wanted to fly AeroSur!

Me too !! It'd have been really cool to take their flight from Cuzco to La Paz !! Oh well..   

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 15):
The problem with this airline was its businessmodel not a president.

It was definitely a mix of both. For instance, they should have never gone for those 747s, way too big for a small airline.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 17):
Hmmm.....I wonder how they were re-routed. Either on AA via MIA or TAM, would be my guesses.

I'd say that the majority of pax were re-routed via LIM on IB/LP. Remember that Bolivian citizens, as all Latin Americans, need a regular visa to transit the United States en route to another foreign destination; of course this rule doesn't apply to those who also hold US, Canadian or EU passports.

One thing is for sure: from now on, travelling from Europe to Bolivia will be even harder !



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User currently offlinesampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 16118 times:

Wow! Some friends of mine just bought tickets for July going GRU-Bolivia-Miami...I hope they didn't lose their money.

25 Post contains images something : My sympathies are limited. People need to be more aware of the business transactions they make. If you book with an airline and don't have a travel i
26 RAGAZZO777 : Yeah, but most travel insurances DON'T cover airline insolvency/bankruptcy as far as I know. Also, you do realise that AeroSur is/was the ONLY carrie
27 IndianicWorld : Another one bites the dust. Pity to hear any carrier cease ops.
28 OB1504 : AeroSur's operation always left a lot to be desired, so while my heart goes out to the employees and travelers affected, I can't say it's much of a lo
29 Post contains links volvair : That's sad to hear. Of all the Bolivian airlines I flew last year they had the nicest crews. All the best to their staff. I really wonder what will ha
30 Rafabozzolla : In Brazil there's no first or business class either, no matter the airline. The exception are domestic legs of international flights.
31 photoshooter : oh man, that really is sad news... They had one of the best liveries on their B767s. Any idea what will happen with the fleet?
32 Post contains images GCPET : Really sad to see this airline go underr loved their liveries! GCPET
33 RJNUT : WOW ..and i just had one of my travelers come home from Asuncion to the US just last week.....close call!!. Heck, I am still missing Lloyd Aereo Boliv
34 Arcano : Actually LAN doen't... they only flies narrows to Bolivia, so premium economy at best. Sad news for Bolivia and Aerosur. I was very scared when flyin
35 SJOtoLIR : TACA and AeroSur used to operate an interline cooperation between them. . As far as I know, 5L had an ex-Mexicana's 727 into its own fleet. . These f
36 United727 : You are very correct, they actually had three of them...When I was in Santa Cruz (via 5L) in September of 2010, they had five of them there and three
37 MEA-707 : No, the Iran Air 727s are from 1974-1975 and they have the typical early 1970s interior with smaller overhead bins and still fly for their original o
38 na : Sad to hear. This was one of the more interesting airlines from South America.
39 United727 : I was speaking of B727's from the US Legacy carriers...as for Iran Air, wasn't thinking of those, but you probably are correct and they are they olde
40 michiganatc : So based on a previous post I am assuming that "Sharko" is sitting in MIA right now? Can anyone confirm this? If it's still there then I forecast a tr
41 Post contains images OB1504 : Considering how long CP-2521 has been at MIA, you may even have a few years!
42 Post contains links and images ghost77 : What a shame, I'm so sad to read this news, shame on YOU EVO Morales as well your government and BoA. Nice memories thou, I saw and captured Sharko, f
43 bjorn14 : Depends how badly rhe creditors/lessors want them. It could be tomorrow or never.
44 United727 : I'm attempting to get into contact with a crew member (FO) from 5L and find out whats going on. Word from a Bolivian friend today is that the governme
45 Post contains images Gonzalo : Not a big surprise really. I always loved the liveries of their fleet, very colorful and funny. But running ( successfully ) a private airline in a (
46 michiganatc : Thanks United727! I would love to hear where these aircraft are stranded at.
47 GEN2STEW : For the curious, I saw "El Sharko" on the F or G pier today around 13.30.
48 Post contains images A388 : Very sad news indeed as I loved their liveries. I was hoping to photograph their Sharko 767 one day in MIA but that will sadly never happen... A388
49 F9Animal : It would be great if you do get in contact with him. Please share if you do! I am hopeful they can get back flying. It is a shame that their governme
50 Post contains images United727 : Sharko IS stranded in Miami.... Indefinitely! Good Photo OP!
51 A388 : Sounds good but how do I photograph it? It is probably parked at a location where photography is obstructed(?) A388
52 Post contains links Avianca : no surprise... unfotunately I missed to fly these nice births just to remember this great video of Aerosur 747 low pass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?
53 Post contains images Checo77 : The best part is the guy screaming "hijo de puta!"
54 Avianca : jajaja, yes but he is sooooooooooooo right!
55 Post contains links Avianca : another low pass but this time with the 767-200 but more conservative... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hs2UE59Nks for sure we will miss these drunk
56 ANITIX87 : Sharko, at least as of yesterday, is parked at it's usual gate in the F or G pier. You can get a shot of it from the airborne squadron restaurant or
57 Post contains links and images jwhite9185 : Glad i managed to catch this at LGW the other week then: Shame it came out in such poor quality.
58 DLD9S : I got this email yesterday... Are they not shut down after all?: AeroSur S.A. to Resume Service between Santa Cruz and Madrid Bolivian airline AeroSur
59 Post contains links ATLTPA : Interesting also that www.aerosur.com is now back up and running. When I tried it the other day, I got a generic airline travel website in its place.
60 ghost77 : 5L is back, I believe they cut flights for a few days Where's user 123 from Bolivia??? Last post about a month ago, please inform us!!!! g77
61 Post contains links RAGAZZO777 : Yes, AeroSur is apparently back. Even their website is back and running, as other poster mentioned, but the airline hasn't issued any press release s
62 Post contains links na : What is this? http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3 A former Aerolineas Argentinas 744 has been delivered to Bolivia yesterday
63 MEA-707 : It was already planned for a year that they would replace the VS 744 with quite expensive lease rates for a clapped out AR example in spring 2012....
64 123 : I was not commenting to this big mess, which affects me a lot as a Frequent traveller. 5L is as important to me as to all who work there. Ihad to swit
65 iadbudd : "Sharko" is at IAD today, heading back to MIA and onto Bolivia
66 jfk777 : Good to hear "EL Sharko" is still flying. Does AeroSur make money flying a 747 to Madrid just 3 day a week ?
67 PRAirbus : Just read (ATW Daily News) that AeroSur will restart MAD operations with another leased 747; what's the sense and cost of AeroSur's B747 operation sev
68 123 : I think the most lucrative route in the 5L system is the VVI/MAD/VVI route. One 744 does the job / OK it's only three x week, but if you look at turna
69 A388 : Will Aerosur send this ex-AR 744 to AMS for inspection and painting? Can we expect a new "toro" on this 744? Sounds correct, we must not forget that
70 jfk777 : Does any one know if the airplane waits for the same crew in Madrid to fly it back or do crews layover 2 or 3 days in Madrid ?
71 Post contains images A388 : Hey jfk777 I see you here too To answer your question, I assume the crew changes in MAD as I assume it isn't possible to do 3 times a week rotations
72 SJOtoLIR : It's a good point taking into account the lack of any IB VVI-MAD for the time being. As commented before, IB is experiencing lack of long-haul planes
73 123 : Ages ago, I think in the 1960's, IB used to serve LPB at times, when Santa Cruz was nothing but a lazy tropical town, not the bustling modern city it
74 asuflyer : Next week will be the last for "Sharko". 5L is in the process of receiving a 763, N984AN from AV.
75 dcajet : I suppose the proverbial "one man's treasure is another man's reject" makes sense here. While VVI-MAD may indeed be the star for 5L in terms of profi
76 jfk777 : Why have 1 747 and 1 767 ? Wouldn't AeroSur be better with only 767 and flying to Madrid 5 or 6 days a week ? AeroSur is the only airline in Latin Am
77 Post contains links and images aloges : AeroSur has been using old leased 747s on VVI-MAD since 2007, in one form or another. They started with a cooperation with Air Plus Comet which lead
78 123 : Just my thoughts: 3x744 loads are lets calculate high, 1500 pax. 6x767 loads are around 1200 pax Always, depending on configurations. To operate duri
79 jfk777 : AeroSur should have 4 ,5 or 6 767's which it can roate around Miami, Madrid, Washington and if it ever happens Barcelona.
80 United727 : Agreed...Wouldn't multiple B763 or 764er's be way more fuel efficient and lead to a significant cost advantage to the airline?
81 jfk777 : The history of small airlines flying 747's to their European colonial power is littered with bankruptcy. Their is a reason TAM flies 777 and not 744'
82 aloges : Indeed. The reason is that TAM has the money for factory-fresh 777s while AeroSur does not. As I was saying, they've been using old 747s on VVI-MAD f
83 United727 : Whats the general load differences between 763/4er and the 773er for both Pax count and MTOW?
84 jfk777 : LOTS !!! A 767-300ER carries about 225 passengers on two classes and an MTOW of about 369,000 pounds. A 77W would seat about 360 passengers and weigh
85 United727 : Thanks for the answer...Before I replied I wanted to get the correct information. There have been several responses mentioning the 777 and I personal
86 jfk777 : AR does NOT have 767's or ever has. they fly A340 on long haul now. 744 have all left the airline recently.
87 A388 : We can all discuss why 5L is using the 747 as a small airline in South America while bigger airlines such as TAM use the 77W. Fact is that the 747 app
88 jfk777 : Having one type of long haul does NOT mean that airplanes can't be dedicated to one route. It does save on crew training and spare parts etc. If the
89 123 : I doubt those markets are feasible. 5L enters Washington (IAD) where there is a large Bolivian community living (in Virginia), and as per my knowledg
90 A388 : Based on what is the 767 better for 5L compared to the 747 to Europe? Like I said, if you are the only airline operating from your country to Europe,
91 jfk777 : Frequency, 3 times a week for teh 747 against daily or alomost daily with a 767. On days when AeroSur doesn't fly people go to Lima, GRU, EZE and oth
92 A388 : How big is that number of people in percentage going to GRU and EZE? Are these people not frequent miles members hence their reasons to use GRU? Do y
93 kdonohue : What a shame. I interviewed Humberto Roca, the airline's CEO, a couple of years ago while doing a story on AeroSur for Airways magazine. And he was ve
94 Post contains images aloges : I trust that you read over the happy news that they are back - for the moment, at least.
95 jfk777 : The days of flying limited frequency on most international routes is over. Iberia flies atleast daily with its A340 nonstop to most Latin Capitals no
96 Post contains links 123 : Here, this is something all of you who read Spanish will enjoy / sorry, no translation available in "El Deber", the leading daily newspaper from Santa
97 OB1504 : Why do you refuse to accept that 5L's current practice of flying a 747 3x weekly on the route is working perfectly for them? It's not the prettiest o
98 A388 : Again, what is the percentage of people wanting or needing travel every day? My point exactly, I tried to explain that the flights that 5L operates n
99 Post contains images 330lover : Without having to read all preceding posts (too lazy ), What's the status of Aerosur right now? Still flying or really ceased? Thanks,
100 123 : still flying but not to mad and mia which will be retaken end of april/beg of may.
101 Post contains images A388 : So we will see two new animals on their newly leased/acquired 744 and 763? I assume the 744 will get a bull again (hopefully the one painted on their
102 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : That's good news ! I still want to fly Aerosur from Cuzco to La Paz this June !
103 jfk777 : what happened to 767 " El Sharko" ? returned to leasing firm ?
104 123 : The "new" 744 is at this instant on ramp @ VVI - already with "AeroSur" logo on the right side which I can see, the tail is still dark blue.. let's se
105 iadbudd : Also not flying to IAD.
106 jfk777 : Photo of teh new plane ?
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