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Why UA Ending ACC Service?  
User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knows why UA is ending their service to ACC in July 2012?

Thanks


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

It is not meeting expectations and aircraft can be used elsewhere. I think Africa is tricky from the USA. It is better served with alliance partners. Just my 2 cents.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9959 times:
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Delta seems to be doing well. Maybe there is room for only one US carrier

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

I recall this flight was coupled with LOS.

Now LOS is out of IAH.

Maybe this is related.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

There is some market there, so it might have been doing okay but been among the first to go because of oil prices, capacity reducaitons, aircraft reallocation, etc. A 3-class 767 was too much for this route; perhaps it will return some day with a 2-class 763.

User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Quoting kl692 (Thread starter):
Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knows why UA is ending their service to ACC in July 2012?

$$$$, $$$$ and more $$$$. Probably all the red kind, as in losses.


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 4):
There is some market there, so it might have been doing okay but been among the first to go because of oil prices, capacity reducaitons, aircraft reallocation, etc. A 3-class 767 was too much for this route; perhaps it will return some day with a 2-class 763.

I agree. How many F paid tickets are going to ACC anyway.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 3):
I recall this flight was coupled with LOS.

Now LOS is out of IAH.

Maybe this is related.

Correct. IAD-ACC probably didn't generate the traffic on a standalone basis to sustain a regular service.


User currently offlinekotoka From Ghana, joined Jun 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

Quoting kl692 (Thread starter):
Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knows why UA is ending their service to ACC in July 2012?

Here's more insight into why. Loads were decent at around 75%. However it appears that yield was not. My guess is they weren't selling too many seats up front. That aircraft can probably be utilized in a better way somewhere else.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...ps-service-to-accra-in-ghana-71355


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9346 times:

Quoting kotoka (Reply 8):
My guess is they weren't selling too many seats up front. That aircraft can probably be utilized in a better way somewhere else.
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 7):
. IAD-ACC probably didn't generate the traffic on a standalone basis to sustain a regular service


I'm sure it was super VFR heavy, and a 3-class 763 was probably an awful aircraft for the route...Here's an idea: Why not let AerLingus operate it for United? Similiar to Madrid in that the loads are there but the yields are not.

[Edited 2012-04-11 06:59:35]

User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9237 times:

Is there a "dartboard" at United?   


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 10):
Is there a "dartboard" at United?

Not sure about at a darboard.

But obviously many long haul routes don't need a first class cabin.


User currently offlinekotoka From Ghana, joined Jun 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 9):
I'm sure it was super VFR heavy, and a 3-class 763 was probably an awful aircraft for the route...Here's an idea: Why not let AerLingus operate it for United? Similiar to Madrid in that the loads are there but the yields are not.

I agree, the 3 class 763 didn't make sense. Most of the DL flights I've taken to ACC are empty up front, and that's a 2 class aircraft. UA could have made money if they had a better strategy/plan for this route. Maybe send a 757 to ACC via Dakar? There's a large Ghanaian population in the DC area. VFR traffic from IAD to ACC is heavy and it's usually full with cargo too. There's a reason why GH operated BWI-ACC flights in the 90s.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

Does Star Alliance partner SA have traffic rights between South Africa and the USA via ACC? Perhaps they could make a go of it with a A332. ET being another Star Alliance member would be interesting,just thinking that Africa based airlines may be more succesful.

[Edited 2012-04-11 07:53:06]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

WASACC is a very large local market. On paper, it should have worked. It probably wasn't the best aircraft.


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12103 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9060 times:
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Quoting delta2ual (Reply 10):
Is there a "dartboard" at United?

No they leave that to the folks at DL as I understand it.........

:D      



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7140 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

Quoting kl692 (Thread starter):

Hello All, I was wondering if anyone knows why UA is ending their service to ACC in July 2012?

Thanks

The first 5 months the load factors were routinely in the 40s according to T100, but the Summer was 79-85% full. There may be some reason why they can't do it seasonally.


User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8921 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 13):
Does Star Alliance partner SA have traffic rights between South Africa and the USA via ACC

No -- by Dakar and by Sal (Cape Verde)

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 9):
Why not let AerLingus operate it for United? Similiar to Madrid in that the loads are there but the yields are not.

AFAIK, Aer Lingus has only one spare 332. There should be two if this is daily service.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
WASACC is a very large local market. On paper, it should have worked. It probably wasn't the best aircraft.

True, but look at the seasonality. The 763 with F was definitely not optimal. ACC is growing like a weed, particularly up front with oil&gas guys, so I wouldn't be surprised if WASACC resumed in 3-5 years.



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8801 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 9):
Why not let AerLingus operate it for United?
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 17):
AFAIK, Aer Lingus has only one spare 332. There should be two if this is daily service.

And the UA pilots are already pissed off at SMI/J. No reason to taunt them with something like that which would probably be a trivial profit if anything.


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Quoting kotoka (Reply 12):

But BWI-ACC failed too. Then there was no service to ACC for over a decade. It returns to IAD wih a tag to LOS. Then LOS goes to IAH. Now, not much later, ACC is gone. The evidence sure looks like ACC-DC market isn't that strong.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8343 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8593 times:
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Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 20):
But BWI-ACC failed too. Then there was no service to ACC for over a decade. It returns to IAD wih a tag to LOS. Then LOS goes to IAH. Now, not much later, ACC is gone. The evidence sure looks like ACC-DC market isn't that strong.

A stand alone route to Africa from IAD doesn't make much sense for United. IF they flew a whole network like Delta, that would be another issue. I am sorry to see it go.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Well, I have my cents. I went to JNB last year and wanted to maximize SA)">UA metal for use of system wide upgrades. I wanted to connect in ACC onto South African but the SA)">UA website wouldn't bring that as an option. All options were via JFK/IAD and onto SAA from there (no good for upgrades) and via MUC/FRA/LHR. I tried to 'trick' united.com into booking through ACC using a multi-city routing and the price was crazy high.

I ended up connecting in FRA onto LH. I used a SWU onto a LH A380. At the lounge in FRA, there was about 4 or 5 United 1k's/SA)">GS in line wanting to use upgrades. We all got the upgrades and I asked the lady if she sees lots of the paper certificates. Her reply was only a handful on most flights but they see lots on the flights to South Africa. She said there was over a dozen on our flight that night in January.

That shows there were lots of people in the same exact situation as mine. united should have allowed connecting via ACC to JNB and CPT, I bet you would get 50+ people per flight doing this, many high paying business travelers that are now going via Europe to maximize SA)">UA metal vs going on SAA. Just my 2 cents, never understood why SA)">UA wouldn't offer this routing to SA via ACC. Does anybody know why?


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):

United is generally not going to fly an unprofitable route. I doubt an African network of unprofitable routes from IAD would make things better.


User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 20):
But BWI-ACC failed too. Then there was no service to ACC for over a decade. It returns to IAD wih a tag to LOS. Then LOS goes to IAH. Now, not much later, ACC is gone. The evidence sure looks like ACC-DC market isn't that strong.

I believe the reason BWI-ACC failed was more because of Ghana Airways going bust. That flight was however a triangle route ( ACC-JFK-BWI) so it also took advantage of the NYC population.



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25 kl692 : I myself was on this flight back in Feb 2011 and I must say the flight was at least half empty. It appears that they were starting grow on the route a
26 izbtmnhd : There was a decade of no ACC service between Ghana and UA. Didn't seem like there was tremendous action to fill this "void". I guess we see why now.
27 AirNovaBAe146 : Generally because African airports are challenging at the best of times. Facilities are inadequate, bureaucracy can be a nightmare and lead to missed
28 joeljack : Now what if UA would have done a one-stop flight in ACC to JNB. This would be a cash cow. My friend who I was visiting in JNB flies to and from the U
29 louA340 : North American Airlines operated between BWI to ACC as a tag on from 2006 to 2008. I do not know how they did on that route in terms of loads and pro
30 usflyer msp : The Aer Lingus JV is only made possible by the EU-US open skies agreement which allows EU carriers to fly between any EU point and the US. Ghana is n
31 kl692 : SA takes off time to JNB i same time as UA take off time from ACC. I remember SA didn't take off on time and since their A/C was behind us we couldn'
32 thorntot : I've heard that the local fuel price was a big contributor with Jet A over $6 a gallon in ACC? I believe the previous tag-on from Lagos allowed for ro
33 Lawair : The BWI-ACC service was really erratic for the years that it operated, and GH's own internal problems made sure this route would be discontinued. The
34 Post contains images Tdan : I don't know if it is that much, but this is pretty common in Africa when there is one fuel supplier at the airport. FTR, the LOS tag would allow UA
35 usflyer msp : LOS actually has higher prices for Jet-A than ACC. LOS also occasionally has fuel shortages that cause the prices to go even higher and/or even cause
36 brightcedars : Like SN they will probably put their ACC traffic on LH via FRA.
37 strfyr51 : ACC to be frank was NOT an easy place to work, if your airplane had a problem? It was a Bear to get it repaired and you were in CONSTANT Concern for y
38 izbtmnhd : That's why I didn't mention North American, although to be fair, I should have even if it was a tag. AFAIK, Ghana and UA were the only carriers to do
39 usflyer msp : You are confusing LOS and ACC. LOS is dangerous and requires armed escorts, ACC is not dangerous at all. Ghana is the safest and most stable country
40 izbtmnhd : I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. I would like to visit it someday.
41 delta2ual : Yeah I think that's the last thing we need right now. The pilots don't seem to be in the mood to play games with their flying. I think the same could
42 kl692 : And couild please explain why DL is making profit on ACC route? That is just bs. You must just go ahead and say it is a war country when it is one sa
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