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UA To Start SFO-RDU On 8/15  
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/04/...onstop-flight-from-rdu-to-san.html

1 Daily 738. Awesome addition UA!


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

Nice add. I think UAL's transcontinental network from SFO is lacking a few key pieces, RDU was one. Hopefully the local market can generate enough traffic to keep this one on the schedule.

I'd like to see MIA, ATL, TPA added as well.


User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Great add for United just surprised they are not using a 319 or 73G until they see how this new market performs.

LGA777


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10768 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
I'd like to see MIA, ATL, TPA added as well.

SFO-IND is another one.

Back in the day UA used to fly SFO-MIA and ATL. MIA had 767s and 777s (back when it was a mini hub for UA) and ATL was mainly 733's (yes, hard to believe I know.) Considering AA flies SFO-MIA several times a day I would think a well timed 319, 320, or 738 would be perfect. I think UA would be a bit more skeptical about starting ATL again considering DL is so strong on ATL-SFO. Not sure about how well TPA-SFO would be although TPA-DEN seems to do well using 757s.



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10767 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
1 Daily 738. Awesome addition UA!

Flight should do fine with the tech/medical trade traffic back and forth, plus UA's connex to Asia/Hawaii.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

I'd love to see SFO-CLT.

I think it would work, even with US on the route.



In thrust we trust!
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 5):

Yeah definitely. I think a 739ER would be the best for that route.



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User currently offlineipodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

I'd Love to See SFO-BNA, but seeing as how United seems to hate Nashville (every single flight is an ERJ while every other legacy carrier flies mainline). Southwest flew BNA-OAK for a few years, but SFO would allow for much better Asian connections. If AA can make BNA-LAX work double daily on B738 and Southwest with 2x daily to LAX and SAN, Then UA should be able to make SFO-BNA work with an A319.


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User currently offlineBCEaglesCO757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 2):
Great add for United just surprised they are not using a 319 or 73G until they see how this new market performs

For April the 737 flightss will increase in LAX,DEN,SFO and ORD.

While the Airbus will go to CLE,EWR, and IAH.

Similiar approach around Sept.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 3):
SFO-IND is another one.

Back in the day UA used to fly SFO-MIA and ATL. MIA had 767s and 777s (back when it was a mini hub for UA) and ATL was mainly 733's (yes, hard to believe I know.) Considering AA flies SFO-MIA several times a day I would think a well timed 319, 320, or 738 would be perfect. I think UA would be a bit more skeptical about starting ATL again considering DL is so strong on ATL-SFO. Not sure about how well TPA-SFO would be although TPA-DEN seems to do well using 757s.

I've been hoping for SFO-OMA on a CR7. MCI-SFO is now 2x daily. I would think that OMA-SFO could be 1x daily, plus it would connect to the UA pacific flights if timed right.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

I'm still wondering if RDU is high on AS's list to start from SEA. There have been abortive attempts at SJC-RDU too as another "nerd bird" route, but not sure if AS would try this one too since SJC-AUS didn't work as they'd hoped.

Anybody see a chance of AS starting SEA-RDU soon?


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):

Would be nice but I don't see SFO-BNA happening. BNA-LAX on AA is really there for entertainment industry folks. Not sure what kind of demand there would be for BNA-SFO.

I think we got the shortlist in tact. UA can probably think to add SFO-MIA/CLT/OMA with possibility of SFO-IND/TPA as well.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
I'm still wondering if RDU is high on AS's list to start from SEA. There have been abortive attempts at SJC-RDU too as another "nerd bird" route, but not sure if AS would try this one too since SJC-AUS didn't work as they'd hoped.

Anybody see a chance of AS starting SEA-RDU soon?

O&D is not insignificant - the BTS data shows anywhere from 250 to 300 pax/day in the market. Add in connections and some leakage from GSO, etc. and you might have a daily 738. However, that would still be one of the smallest Lower 48 markets for AS mainline from SEA. Only TUS would be similar in market size - every other city, including the other new destinations, MCI and PHL, are much larger markets.

The other problem is opportunity cost - AS might find better value in a frequency boost somewhere else, or new service to another spoke.

Still, this announcement gives me hope that SEA-RDU is potentially viable.


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
1 Daily 738.

Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 14):

Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?

Sometimes but not always.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
If AA can make BNA-LAX work double daily on B738

Hollywood entertainment connections make this work.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
Southwest with 2x daily to LAX and SAN,

Southwest has a huge flier base in Nashville and they carry alot of transit pax through here on those flights.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
Then UA should be able to make SFO-BNA work with an A319.

Not unless they run a 319 up from IAH. Right now all the new flying from pmUA hubs is either gonna be CR7 or 737 because thats where there is some slack in the fleet. 319/320s are migrating to pmCO hubs right now.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 14):
Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?

True, but the 73G fleet is spread pretty thin, they probably really will use the 738.



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 338 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

I can't find the article off hand but I know a company from Asia is opening its headquarters in the RDU area. They make Wind Turbines so this could be part of why we gained this service. Congrats to RDU!!! Now if we can just keep LAX as once daily we'd be set!

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9982 times:
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Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 18):
Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??

They have new 737s coming in all the time. Plus IAH and EWR have swapped some 73s for Airbus and 757s in the schedule.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 18):
Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):

They have new 737s coming in all the time. Plus IAH and EWR have swapped some 73s for Airbus and 757s in the schedule.

Unlike the widebody fleet, UA's 737 utilization is somewhat low. There is a lot of slack in the 737 fleet, with more on the way as correctly noted.


User currently offlinerduddji From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Great news! UA has been "teasing" the RDU market with this flight for about 10 years. Nice to see them actually test the waters. I hope it's successful.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 13):
Only TUS would be similar in market size - every other city, including the other new destinations, MCI and PHL, are much larger markets.

Are you joking? TUS has about a third of the number of Pax per year as RDU.

MCI has only 10% or so more pax. It's much more similar to RDU than TUS.

[Edited 2012-04-11 14:16:52]


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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting rduddji (Reply 21):
Are you joking? TUS has about a third of the number of Pax per year as RDU.

MCI has only 10% or so more pax. It's much more similar to RDU than TUS

Not joking.  

I was talking about the TUS-SEA and RDU-SEA markets specifically, not the size of the TUS or RDU markets overall. SEA-TUS and SEA-RDU have roughly similar passenger numbers according to the BTS.

The RDU-Bay Area market is roughly 2x larger than RDU-SEA, and realistically, only AS would operate an SEA flight.

I wonder if VX was interested in RDU...


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9717 times:

I wonder if Delta will make the LAX flight daily now.. Using the 737-700... I can only hope so... Seems like, from the article, the problem with the LAX flight is the times.. They want it to match the SFO times.. Wonder if Delta is listening to that..


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User currently offlinejblua320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9662 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 23):
I wonder if Delta will make the LAX flight daily now.. Using the 737-700... I can only hope so... Seems like, from the article, the problem with the LAX flight is the times.. They want it to match the SFO times.. Wonder if Delta is listening to that..

What was Delta using when they did do it, an 800? Did Midway ever do west coast flying?


25 bobloblaw : All I can say is about time. UA should have been flying this for years given the high tech community in both cities.
26 thegoldenargosy : I know they flew or were starting RDU-SJC. I'm not sure if they ever flew anywhere else out west. I seem to remember SJC being added shortly before t
27 cessna2 : JI had nonstop service to LAX and SJC using their A-320s. It didn't last long as they were losing money. Its unfortunate the Yellow Tails aren't aroun
28 CV880 : That's about the capacity of a 757-300.
29 gigneil : Correct, but SJC on AA was impossible to compete with. The new UA is going to be more aggressive. NS
30 Post contains links cessna2 : Then i would assume the article is wrong haha but nevertheless here is the link. http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/10970295/
31 rjm777ual : I agree with you on this one. Ever since the merger, UA has been announcing new routes left and right.
32 Gman3 : I also noticed DEN ATL flights in our trip patterns for May.. Finally.... I always amazed we downgraded that years ago to a regional.
33 travelin man : It is ridiculous that UA doesn't run SFO-ATL non-stop. But congrats to RDU! Hopefully will be a success...
34 FSDan : Sweet! This was at the top of my list of domestic destinations I was hoping UA would add from SFO.
35 MSPNWA : Hope it works out. I'm just surprised of the timing in this high priced fuel environment. That's a long flight, so the yields will have to be there.
36 Post contains images thegreatRDU : Wooo! This is what I'm talking about! Now we need CDG and LAX
37 Gman3 : We used to have SFO ATL mainline.....sigh. We also used to have 4 mainline IAD ATL as well.. in 2003 I rememver we had 9 ORD ATL flights!!!
38 FSDan : Cisco Systems, Intel, Intersil, National Semiconductor, NetApp, and Open-Silicon are some of the Bay-Area-based companies that have operations in the
39 gigneil : They did for years. This route will literally print cash. I'm pleased they're doing it. This is going to be quite the airline now that they have a na
40 chopchop767 : I would think UA's massive FF base in the Bay Area would sustain the service even if DL has more flights. Especially, on a route of that length, FF a
41 Post contains images TWA772LR : Congrats to UA and RDU! Hope this really works well! Now to business, could an airline make this a hub or UA can make an "African Gateway" so to speak
42 CV880 : Not a chance...closer to IAD than CLT, plus no feed. RDU's only chance for more TATL is DL.
43 as739x : And I will say it again. Continue to look for more route from SFO. As I said in the SFO T-1 opertion thread, there is a reason they are adding more ga
44 ual777uk : I hope so because it strikes me that ATL non stop should be on the map for the reasons stated by Chopchop767 if nothong else. Thats a big hole and sh
45 boeing71234567 : Great addition to RDU! but personally I would like to see something like SFO-BDL. I would assume there is a bigger market in the northeast, rather tha
46 RWA380 : I think US operates enough flights during the day to cover UA's passengers already, if UA entered the market, I'm sure you will see less US flights,
47 casinterest : Very nice addition. It is needed as well. However , I have to wonder why they haven't restarted DEN. Perhaps by November they will start it for ski s
48 FSDan : WN already flies DEN-RDU. That probably dampens UA's prospects on that route. Without even looking at the data, I can tell you with 99% confidence th
49 casinterest : That doesn't say much for UA's prospects at DEN though. If that is the casem then maybe UA's move was more preemptive for SFO protection.
50 TOMMY767 : Technically DL's RDU-LAX is "seasonal" so it is what it is -- daily in the summer. They tried this once pre-9/11. It bombed. Back then UA flew SFO to
51 cessna2 : I looked up one of the old press releases from RDU Airport Authority about the top ten destinations for Mainline and Regional destinations feasible fo
52 JaxMan19 : Shouldn't JAX be added to that list, I mean through the past they've had Midway, AE and Expressjet....Theres definetly a market for JAX-RDU
53 Flytravel : It's only 1x daily on WN. If UA wanted to build more of a UA FF base in RDU, a flight to the DEN hub might make sense. WN hasn't expanded at RDU also
54 Flytravel : FL flies the route also. Even though FL didn't have a FF base in SF, FL probably offered low enough fares that UA might have figured would it wouldn't
55 Womack17 : Me too my friend. We have been trying to convince airlines and its enthusiasts that RDU-SFO is a nonstop that is long overdue. This is simply fantast
56 cessna2 : WN came in at the wrong time. AA still had a big FF base in RDU due to the fact that Midway's FF program was through AA. After AA wound down RDU, DL
57 TOMMY767 : About frigging time! DL was kicking UA's ass on this route for so long. Glad DEN-ATL will be operated with 1x 320.
58 casinterest : They are adding Houston, and technically they get ATL once all the mess with the computers is cleaned up. RDU is still growing, and I think now that
59 bjorn14 : I remember when AA was drawing down their BNA hub that the C&W community begged AA to keep this route...even some minor protests IIRC. Does AA st
60 slcdeltarumd11 : With the 319 now one would think RDU-SLC would make sense. WithUA also not flying to denver maybe there is just little demand to those connections to
61 TOMMY767 : I think UA can do RDU-DEN with an E170 but they may not want to take the risk right now. Don't forget, UA does fly mainline between RDU-IAD (mainly A
62 BoeingGuy : Yes, now on a 763. As I understand it, the route is subsidized. This one remains after AA gutted RDU. Unfortunately, SJC-NRT did not survive.
63 ERJ170 : I do believe there are subsidies available but if I read correctly up here, RDU-LHR doesn't actually use the subsidies.... And it's still a profitable
64 cessna2 : This is true however don't expect much more till T1 is renovated. WN averages about 7 flights a day per gate and at peak travel season they have abou
65 Post contains images FSDan : With 9 daily mainline flights vs 2 E-Jets and 1 Airbus, they still are. But that is the case for almost every route out of ATL .
66 slcdeltarumd11 : Geography is probably the reason though. ATL is significanlty more south and west than RDU so many less options are realistic thru IAD that can work
67 ERJ170 : When will the flights be bootable? I don't see city pair on the route map and I can't book it yet either!
68 Post contains links Womack17 : First of all - Happy 8th Anniversary today my friend. Mine was back in April. I booked through Kayak.com and will be filing a detailed trip report for
69 cessna2 : Yea its bookable...im thinking bout doing this as a Birthday gift to myself! Sure would be fun!
70 ERJ170 : Thn for real, I'm crazy. I put it in for aug 17 and get an error message... On united.com
71 cessna2 : Just looked on the site and it works fine for me!
72 Womack17 : Its available for booking through all major travel sites ie) Travelocity, Expedia, Kayak and its also available on United.com for every date I checked
73 southwest737500 : You would see CLT SEA on AS way before RDU
74 delta2ual : Maybe B6 could start San-Juan to connect to their mini hub there?
75 strfyr51 : This and the SFO-AUS route make the tech connections Complete But! I would have thought American would have flown the Route First! Didn't they have a
76 cessna2 : AA operated a hub at RDU from about 85-95/96 before downgrading to a focus city. Over the past couple of years they really dropped RDU off their map
77 ERJ170 : Two more questions... 1. I want to confirm United has officially dropped RDU-CUN Sat service, right? Has DL dropped it too? 2. Is there any other stat
78 cessna2 : UA doesn't have enough presence in RDU to serve anything else except DEN. They pulled out of DEN because WN entered the market. So i'd say its a long
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