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Aer Lingus A319's At BFS  
User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

HI
I have been looking on the EI website for flights to LHR in July and have noticed that all the flights will be operated by an A319 instead of the A320! I don't know if this is a glitch but I thought there was to be 2 A319's and 1 A320. I don't have enough information about the EI fleet plans so help on this would be helpful. In the end how many aircraft are going to be based up at BFS?

Also how is the BFS doing? Are there going to be any further developments i.e. routes, extra capacity?

Thanks, I know its a handful!


Dublinspotter :)
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User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Its still 3 Aircraft being based there. I thought it was 2 A319's and 1 A320 for LHR.

I don't know is Belfast doing well, EI just ended FCO from there at the end of March.

There won't be any expansion of EI at Belfast anytime soon that's for sure!!



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User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

I believe that they could possibly be waiting to see what BA does on the BHD-LHR route before they plan their next move.

On a side-note, saw one of the EI A319's today on the ramp, and damn it looks nice, such a nice change from the usual A320.....


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Certainly is a nice change to see the A319s at BFS. Shame about FCO took that route myself and was quite handy.

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

The Aer Lingus operation at BFS isn't particularly big but the addition of A319s shows a commitment to the base, at least in the medium term. If it was loss making it would have certainly been axed along with LGW in 2009/10 when cuts were made across the network to stem losses and return the airline to profitability.

Aer Lingus tried a good mix of routes at BFS but many failed due to competition from EasyJet or a simple lack of demand, MUC and MXP for example. The routes that are currently served from BFS are all sun routes with LHR as the backbone of the entire operation. Hopefully the A319 will be better suited to the routes currently on offer but even if it is, I doubt expansion is on the cards and the BA/BD developments will be watched closely.


User currently offlinecougafer From Ireland, joined Jan 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

It would seem that they have swapped the LHR A320 onto the ACE, LPA, TFS & FAO routes for the peak summer period (from a few dates I searched in July anyway). I guess the extra capacity was needed on them - especially over the 12th fortnight when local holiday traffic is at its highest.
Hopefully Aer Lingus are in it for the long run though, as they seem to be well-established and are my carrier of choice between BFS and LON. Just a shame so many routes haven't survived, but I guess the current economic climate and restricted local market have something to answer for.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4169 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

I think EI take a long term view on Belfast.

Once the economic situation improves (hopefully, maybe...), I think Belfast and Northern Ireland in general have a promising future ahead. Best get in now, and "grab the land", rather than leave it to someone else!



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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

At one point BFS supported 3 carriers to Toronto, Air Transat/Skyservice [Zoom & Flyglobespan MAN/GLA - BFS - Toronto]. A B757 operator could make a nice route for themselves. I could imagine an Icelandic carrier advertising BFS - YYZ via KEF could work very well. I thought LS could give it a try on a charter basis, could they be pondering the route?

I mentioned before on another post that FRA could possibly work primarily targeting transit traffic. I am surprised this was not on EI's first choices from BFS as Frankfurt could also tap into the business and city break markets.

BFS has potential but at the moment the right carrier is not around yet. Regional jets to europe, and narrow bodies transatlantic is more suited for N.I.

I feel like starting a virtual airline now!



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User currently offlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 7):
At one point BFS supported 3 carriers to Toronto, Air Transat/Skyservice [Zoom & Flyglobespan MAN/GLA - BFS - Toronto]. A B757 operator could make a nice route for themselves. I could imagine an Icelandic carrier advertising BFS - YYZ via KEF could work very well. I thought LS could give it a try on a charter basis, could they be pondering the route?

In the early 1990's during the summer months one tour operator had 2 weekly Air Canada charter flights one operated with a 767 and the other a 747. There was also another tour operator with a weekly L1011 operated by Royal air.

A lot of passengers on these flights were Canadians who had emigrated from Northern Ireland returning to visit the old country. There were also a lot of people from Northern Ireland visiting friends and family in Canada. Large scale emigration to Canada was in the 1950's and I am not sure the market for these flights is as large as it once was.

Alex


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

I find it interesting that in their ruling on the BA takeover of BMI nothing was specificed about the fact that BA would be operating its own flights and also has a code share on the only other flights into Belfast from LHR with EI.

This compares with the BA/RJ postion - BA has been told if it wants to continue to fly its own metal to AMM it has to cancel its codeshare with RJ on that route.

Maybe its because the current BMI flights use Belfast City and EI use Belfast International. So maybe the EI/BA codeshare out of Belfast will survive - could be a bit of a blow to EI in Belfast if it doesn't.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 7):
I mentioned before on another post that FRA could possibly work primarily targeting transit traffic. I am surprised this was not on EI's first choices from BFS as Frankfurt could also tap into the business and city break markets.

EI started AMS when the base first opened, the idea was that it would tap into connecting traffic along with the city break market but KL weren't willing to codeshare because they already had agreements with EI on the ORK and DUB routes. Competing with U2 for O&D traffic to AMS was always going to fail for EI unfortunately.

EI has recently added quite a bit of capacity to Germany from DUB, probably something to do with the fact it has a German CEO but it seems to be working well for them with increased frequencies on existing routes and also on STR which only started last year. Maybe another go at Germany from BFS could be possible but the sun routes and LHR seem to have become a comfort zone for the BFS base at the moment.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 9):

I guess there is still a market as depending on what part of the Province you live in determines what airport you use. I prefer BHD myself as BFS is more of a pain to get to for me.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting richcandy (Reply 8):
I am not sure the market for these flights is as large as it once was

Thanks Alex, very interesting past BFS has had between Canada.
I cant speak for the entire trend but I did fly BFS-YYZ-BFS in October 2007 for my birthday on Zoom. The outbound load I remember was about 90% I would say BFS had 40% of the load factor, the rest were GLA bound. The return flight was 100% and I do remember about 60% of the load disembarked in BFS.
A year later I was working with Servisair and I do recall a Skyservice B757-200 was operating on behalf of Air Transat. I only worked with this flight once but it was 100% full plus it was the last and severely delayed flight of the season. I never seen BFS so busy, Sundays being my most dreaded day of work, it was a huge pleasure to see the entire ramp full to the gills, plus seeing the heavy metal of Flyglobespan, Onur Air, Thomas Cook, Zoom, and the single Arkia B753 Tel Aviv charter, that was exciting to see. Anyway I will now quit my rambling on,

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 10):
Maybe another go at Germany from BFS could be possible but the sun routes and LHR seem to have become a comfort zone for the BFS base at the moment.

I agree, few years down the line will hopefully see a much healthier ecomony to support such routes.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
I prefer BHD myself as BFS is more of a pain to get to for me

I agree, I will use BFS if I am parking my car for a week but for a UK city hop, BFS is bottom of the list. Translink and taxis are expensive. BFS provide bad value for money which IMPO leaves a negative first impressions on incoming tourists.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 12):
I agree, I will use BFS if I am parking my car for a week but for a UK city hop, BFS is bottom of the list. Translink and taxis are expensive. BFS provide bad value for money which IMPO leaves a negative first impressions on incoming tourists.

I think a long proposed rail link extension to near the Terminal would have made a huge difference to BFS . Doesnt seem to be on the cards anymore though. For me I can get on the train at Newry change at Central and then a few stops to Sydenham and your there at BHD . The fares are under GBP15 return . For BFS I would have to take two long bus journeys and the cost is GBP25 . I would do it for anything over 4-5 days vacation but for a daytrip or overnight to UK its just too much hassle.


User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Hi guys!

Thanks for commenting! It has been a huge help for me!

Quoting abrown532 (Reply 2):
On a side-note, saw one of the EI A319's today on the ramp, and damn it looks nice, such a nice change from the usual A320.....


I know doesn't it! I have seen it but the pictures were either rubbish or I forgot the camera!



Quoting jumpjets (Reply 9):
Maybe its because the current BMI flights use Belfast City and EI use Belfast International. So maybe the EI/BA codeshare out of Belfast will survive - could be a bit of a blow to EI in Belfast if it doesn't.


So if BD leave the BHD-LHR route that will give alot more capacity to EI and then will keep the route as it is a codeshare with BA hey will be making money too?



Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 10):
EI has recently added quite a bit of capacity to Germany from DUB, probably something to do with the fact it has a German CEO but it seems to be working well for them with increased frequencies on existing routes and also on STR which only started last year. Maybe another go at Germany from BFS could be possible but the sun routes and LHR seem to have become a comfort zone for the BFS base at the moment.


I would like to see EI try again at Germany as I would definitely take the route!



Quoting Jambost (Reply 12):
A year later I was working with Servisair and I do recall a Skyservice B757-200 was operating on behalf of Air Transat. I only worked with this flight once but it was 100% full plus it was the last and severely delayed flight of the season. I never seen BFS so busy, Sundays being my most dreaded day of work, it was a huge pleasure to see the entire ramp full to the gills, plus seeing the heavy metal of Flyglobespan, Onur Air, Thomas Cook, Zoom, and the single Arkia B753 Tel Aviv charter, that was exciting to see.


That is very interesting to hear! I didn't know Arik have ever been to BFS! I'm sure that was a sight!



Quoting Jambost (Reply 12):
BFS provide bad value for money which IMPO leaves a negative first impressions on incoming tourists.


I agree!



Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
I think a long proposed rail link extension to near the Terminal would have made a huge difference to BFS . Doesnt seem to be on the cards anymore though. For me I can get on the train at Newry change at Central and then a few stops to Sydenham and your there at BHD . The fares are under GBP15 return . For BFS I would have to take two long bus journeys and the cost is GBP25 . I would do it for anything over 4-5 days vacation but for a daytrip or overnight to UK its just too much hassle.


I think from where I live it is so much easier to get to BHD than to BFS. WIth us we can take the motorway or the country roads. The country roads are easier but very bumpy-not a good first thing in the morning!  



So if their is not much traffic to the European routes why not bring a few of the EI Regional planes up and fly to some smaller airports that U2 can't get into and as they will be using smaller A319's on the European routes make it smaller on the domestic side, the planes will fill up quicker and it means they will have little competition from any of the airlines at BFS? Or try some seasonal services to some European destinations i.e. CGN or DUS?
Just a thought!

Thanks for commenting!



Dublinspotter :)
User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 14):
So if BD leave the BHD-LHR route that will give alot more capacity to EI and then will keep the route as it is a codeshare with BA hey will be making money too?


During the run up to the EU decision on the BMI takeover IAG/BA made very public statements that they would maintian a service to Belfast - albeit I guess as a BA flight - so it seems unlikely that there will not be any of any of BAs own planes making the trip toBelfast - though which airport they use remains to be seen.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
I think a long proposed rail link extension to near the Terminal would have made a huge difference to BFS

U2 had a rant at both BFS and Translink a few years ago because there is a disused [but operational] railway and halt at the far end of the airport [runway 07] Wikipedia quoted: A new station serving the airport could one day be constructed on the mothballed Lisburn-Antrim railway line as set out in the airport master plan. This line remains in serviceable condition and passes close to the airport terminal.
A rail link can easily established, the thought of the opportunity staring at both Translink and BFS with nothing being done is making my blood boil. An airport currently handling around 4 million passengers a year, could benifit and thrive furthur with such a development.

Quoting Dublinspotter (Reply 14):
That is very interesting to hear! I didn't know Arik have ever been to BFS! I'm sure that was a sight!

It sure was! I was nervous and right to be from experience to bring along a camera [was not permitted], I did not work on the flight, however there was an Israeli security force team [nicely mannered but intimidating] to brief the check-in staff and also to overlook passengers flying. It was a pilgramige charter flight which I was told at the time operates once a year from BFS, however since 2008 I think they focused operations to DUB.
BFS has some amazing visitors, they are very rare but 2 years work there paid off! I have 2 very poor quality videos from my time in the cargo department: http://www.youtube.com/user/Jambost/videos hear the roar of that VC-10 and the size of the AN-124!



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