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BMI/IAG Merger - Up To 1200 Jobs To Go  
User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10132 times:

Just flashed up as breaking news on the BBC.

As a result of the merger with IAG up to 1200 jobs are to be cut as part of the merger of BMI into IAG.

[Edited 2012-04-12 06:05:29]


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Jobs to go as part of the integration of both airlines.

Redundancies consist primarily of those located at Donnington Hall in Derbyshire. The Head office of BMI.

From BA.com Press Release:

"The consultation proposes the full integration of bmi mainline into British Airways securing approximately 1,500 jobs. The integration proposals could result in up to 1,200 redundancies."

http://press.ba.com/?p=2247

Small piece from the Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...over-bmi-job-losses_n_1420317.html

[Edited 2012-04-12 06:24:37]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26520 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

Sad to hear that but we knew it would happen. Wish the affected all the best in finding another job its very sad to see .


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Agree - I think it was inevitable. As BA said in their statement, BMI would have gone to the wall in its current state and job losses were always on the cards. I find it particularly sad that staff at Donnington Hall will lose their jobs - I have fond memories of that place from years and years back.

But, progress has no room for nostalgia and it's the bottom line that counts. The press release also mentions the sale of BMI regional and BMI Baby are ongoing. Wonder who would buy them?



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Sad to hear that but we knew it would happen. Wish the affected all the best in finding another job its very sad to see .

I truly am sorry to hear that some great people will be let go, the Pre Travel Support team, the Diamond Club team, etc. These people were truly diamonds and I am saddened that they have gotten bought up in this.

However, there is quite a lot of information in that press release
- Ground Staff (only above wing, as below wing has already been contracted to Menzies) will be kept at T1. Presumably these will serve current ground handling contracts and/or the BA presence at T1.
- At least some, if not the majority of the BD aircraft will be retained for the medium/long term.
- Some current BD destinations will be retained
- There will be a major schedule overhaul for the combined company, probably over the winter 12/13 and summer13 schedules.
- Customer facing airport roles are relatively safe.



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 3):
But, progress has no room for nostalgia and it's the bottom line that counts. The press release also mentions the sale of BMI regional and BMI Baby are ongoing. Wonder who would buy them?

I'd guess flyBE and EasyJet are likely puchasers.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 3136 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9780 times:

I don't know if this has been posted.

We've received internal communications today that BD will be leaving *A, effective 31MAY12.

Saludos,



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 419 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

It's such a shame, but it's better than the whole of BMI going bust and the majority of people losing their jobs, at least we will see most of the front line staff keeping their jobs.

My thoughts are with the office staff that are facing redundancies.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19108 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 5):
I'd guess flyBE and EasyJet are likely puchasers.

I'd say that's extremely doubtful. But we shall see.  



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 892 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

I noticed that 1,100 cabin crew, pilots and engineers at Heathrow as well as 400 passenger service roles in T1 have been secured which is a plus.

Also they have stated that they will be looking to add potential working opportunities in the Midlands. This includes Rolls-Royce. They are also looking to create more jobs at their engineering facility at GLA from Jan 2014, when the contract for BD aircraft heavy maintenance outside of the UK expires.

Courtesy of Sky News.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26520 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):

Indeed Brian pre travel support were often my last resort and usually came up trumps.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

We all knew it was going to happen.
I’d rather lose 1,200 jobs and save 1,500 than lose them all with an airline going bust, ceasing all ops and leaving a lot of passengers in the lurch.
Kudos to IAG/BA for coming up with an action plan that saves more jobs than it loses.

So, they’re keeping the BD aircraft for the medium term. I wonder if they’ll repaint them into BA colours, or put a BA /IAG sticker beside the doors?



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User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

I can't really understand why Jet2 would not be interested in BMIBaby, the major factor being the same aircraft type for smooth integration into the fleet perhaps....

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

Quoting btblue (Thread starter):
As a result of the merger with IAG up to 1200 jobs are to be cut as part of the merger of BMI into IAG.

Well this is a total shocker (sarcasm)

How much downsizing will occur as a result of this merger, as in, fleet reductions and destinations cut?

One can only see this coming with a merger, which, again, I highly question the necessity of in a global competition-based economy.



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 892 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

Quoting abrown532 (Reply 12):

I can't really understand why Jet2 would not be interested in BMIBaby, the major factor being the same aircraft type for smooth integration into the fleet perhaps....

I do expect LS to be interested in WW. This gives them decent access to BHX & BHD. With a few seasonals from EMA, it would make sense that they may want to grow their presence there.

I can't see U2 bothered too much with WW, but stranger things have happened. Also same for BE.

I think LS is the best option available for WW at this stage.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 419 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 11):
So, they’re keeping the BD aircraft for the medium term. I wonder if they’ll repaint them into BA colours, or put a BA /IAG sticker beside the doors?

On the BA Website - Press Release, it says they will be re-painting the BMI aircraft into full BA LIvery.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 15):

On the BA Website - Press Release, it says they will be re-painting the BMI aircraft into full BA LIvery.

Will look awesome:


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
Will look awesome:

Dream on.
BA is not going to fly the A330 after the end of the summer schedule.
But all the A32x will join the BA operation.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
How much downsizing will occur as a result of this merger, as in, fleet reductions and destinations cut?

One can only see this coming with a merger, which, again, I highly question the necessity of in a global competition-based economy.

The only downsizing that will occur is the forcible handover of 14 daily slot pairs to competitor airlines, hopefully they will take up some of the spare staff.

The takeover is all about aquiring scarce LHR slots, why would IAG then want to reduce their flying programme and lose the slots back into the pool ?

As slots are gradually utilised for longer routes, the destination count, fleet numbers and crew employed should rise. BD had a lot of short haul flying with planes completing 6 sectors or so each day, long haul planes rarely complete more than 2 sectors daily, on the longer routes only one.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8131 times:
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I have to agree that while it is sad to see so many jobs go it is better than seeing all of them go.

What I do find interesting is that the most recent issue of 'network' on the Star Alliance website listed total BD employees as 3811. No disrepect to the staff involved, but if nearly a third of the total staff were in Head Office it does seem that BD may have been a bit 'top heavy' which cannot have helped their financial state ?

Does anyone have an idea on what a typical frontline/head office ratio is for an airline BD's size ?



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

Well job cuts are inevitable, I'm sure many would be offered new jobs with LH or another airline. I'm glad the cabin crew, pilots and ground staff will be kept. Like many have said, it's better than losing 3000+ jobs and a whole company going bust.

A bit of irony, I wonder what will happen to the BD Lounge at LHR - it used to be BA's domestic lounge (from what I've been told) nothing like going full circle eh!


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2050 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

On a side matter, does IAG actually acquire Donington Hall as part of the deal? I wonder what they'll do with the estate?


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 21):

Sell it I would guess? There is no need for it to remain on the IAG books?

Also, its a very strange place to have a HQ don't you think?


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 16):
Will look awesome:

Agree. I never thought we were going to see a BA A330.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 17):
BA is not going to fly the A330 after the end of the summer schedule.

You are normally well informed on BA matters, but what a shame.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7377 times:
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Quoting garpd (Reply 16):

- As much as I'd love to see an A330 in BA colours, it's just not going to happen



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25 sandyb123 : IIRC the 2 x A330's are leased so I'd imagine they'll go back to the leaser or perhaps into IB who have cockpit commonality with the A340??? Sandyb12
26 757ops : A further knock on effect is the handler Menzies, will this continue or will BA take over the handling in house?
27 fruitbat : I suspect that anyone working for bmi at Donington and the regional airports feels very downsized tonight. I know that's not what you mean but we sho
28 skipness1E : Full circle for some of the ex BMED fleet. In "unrelated" news they've just been awarded BA below wing handling at LGW. I believe customer service st
29 tonystan : Have they had their original BA seats replaced since their "last" merger?
30 skipness1E : I believe so. Oh well.
31 tonystan : OOPS...I flew over in an old "club" cradle seat from LHR the other day but it was actually one of the post BMI merger deliveries plus it had been upg
32 skipness1E : Hang on, I misread your post, I believe they have the seats as were, just changed the decour!
33 tonystan : Ah ok! Curious to find out if BA will retain the longhaul cabins on these airbuses or revert them to the full Euro product. I personally think BA sho
34 lotsamiles : Do you think they will be parked until the leases expire?
35 Post contains links btblue : Donington Hall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donington_Hall
36 Post contains links and images OA260 : Indeed on the flights I took to BEY / AMM you could see the old BA seats with just new covers on them . Newer style :
37 raffik : When I flew to DME in February I really enjoyed the refreshed cabin- very smart and nicely coordinated with napkin rings, menus etc and the flock wal
38 ual777uk : Sad to see what has happened to BD and expecially sad to see people losing jobs, particularly in this day and age but this is the best of a bad situat
39 raffik : Me too. Absolutely fantastic cabin crew, a real asset to BMI that set them apart from their competitors. When ever I traveled with the airline I felt
40 usdcaguy : Does anyone know if the staff at Donington Hall had been offered any early retirement packages before IAG decided to pull the plug? Why are BA not sha
41 LHRFlyer : As far as functions like marketing, sales, revenue management, and IT go, to be blunt, BA has absolutely nothing to learn from bmi as it was pretty w
42 tonystan : Dont get me wrong, Im sure there where many many talanted folk working in customer services and other departments but BMIs marketing and management w
43 bongodog1964 : My post was in reply to a statement that IAG would soon be axing routes and planes and downsizing the operation, which is as far from the truth as yo
44 tonystan : Youre right which I why I suggested BA should consider reconfiguring the EF 767s for WW instead and place them on these routes. Would be in my opinio
45 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed your right and any suggestion of the contrary would be very wrong. The problem was and this is the experience over my decade of dealing with t
46 757ops : Would be nice but the loads to KRT/ADD couldn't fill a combined service let alone stand alone with 763 aadl there just isn't a big enough market ther
47 tonystan : BA wont be maintaining any routes that are not paying their way and if the ADD/KRT route is a weak one then it may very well be dropped! There are a
48 raffik : Yep, I imagine that a few destinations will be quickly dropped. I don't think BA will continue with Khartoum or Adis Ababa and I also suspect Amman co
49 bestwestern : If BA can cut 1,200 jobs from the bd operation, whilst maintaining the bd revenue base, they would be very happy. If they can enhance revenues by opti
50 Post contains images OA260 : Id say maybe some of BMI's weak routes might not be so weak within the BA network. For instance KRT/ADD would have so many options Via LHR for connec
51 garpd : That or returned early. There might be a buy-out clause on the leases, allowing a new owner of the airline to return the aircraft early.
52 Post contains links OA260 : Not good news for the BHD workers : BMI confirms Belfast base closure - UTV Live News Sixty customer service employees are being issued with redundanc
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