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Festivity Always- Caribbean Aviation Thread 97  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15507 times:

Greetings once again to all A.net patrons!!!

Welcome to the 97th instalment of the Caribbean Aviation Thread. This thread, unfortunately, will not be dedicated to any particular island due to my personal immediate time constraints, however, the successive will continue the conventional island spotlight trend. It's great to see the lively nature of the forum and I sincerely hope that these discussion activities continue at their current pace.


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*************News Feed***********
Redjet's ultimate fate still undecided as BGI ponders helping the LCC
Redjet loses POS and BGI AOCs
CAL reported to be under considerable financial stress
CAL ATRs 9Y-TTC and 9Y-TTD remain in TLS
CAL rumoured to be not happy with ATRs and looking at Q400 again.
CAL increase capacity into JFK for Easter period from both POS and KIN
KX to launch service to PTY on May 31
$US138M airport improvement project for GEO still on course
Increased pax arrivals and cargo for SKB in 2011
UX to offer seasonal 2x weekly BCN-SDQ service with A332
UP gets first B735 (B6-BFE) to replace B732s ex AR
LI's V2-LGA leaves fleet
Air Caraibes inaugurates 2x weekly ORY-SDQ flight on March 25
CAL looks at Brazil possibilities through Ogle, Guyana
DAE ATR-42 in new DAE livery
DAE to start daily CUR-MIA on June 1st
Hotel affiliated Harlequin Air becomes newest Caribbean carrier based in SLU
Surinam Airways inaugurates PBM-GEO-MIA service
George Nicholas resigns as CAL chairman
New CAL chairman to be economist, businessman and politician Rabindra Moonan
CAL B763s delayed till May. A/C painted and config is 30/191.
9Y-SXM suffers bird strike outbound from POS to JFK. Returns safely...


Happy Posting!




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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15493 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
CAL rumoured to be not happy with ATRs and looking at Q400 again.

WOW WOW WOW, that's big... I imagine they were so used to the Q's.... and now? 


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15461 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
CAL rumoured to be not happy with ATRs and looking at Q400 again.

If true, I wonder why. Also it might explain why the other 2 TTC and TTD have not been delivered yet.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15433 times:

Quote:
You guys want to support WN expansion into the Caribbean....do your part http://www.freehobbyairport.com/

Houston, we have a solution! Love it!

WN wants support for international service out of HOU but it support page doesn't allow support from overseas.. WN get your act together.. I want to see a HOU F.I.S. and CM flying there (to get cheaper fares to Houston).



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15382 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
WN wants support for international service out of HOU but it support page doesn't allow support from overseas..

But you can just write in your name with a made up US address :^)

I sent WN an email about the overseas registrations. Let see what happens.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15356 times:

I cant imagine the Q400 on the TAB-POS hop the aircraft is not designed for those type of ops also can the Q400 fit in SLU? What are the rumored problems with the ATR?

User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15359 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
CAL B763s delayed till May. A/C painted and config is 30/191.

Where is the aircraft? Is it in Chile or in the US?
I know Inbound made the statement below in the previous thread:

Quoting Inbound:
I retract my statement about the aircraft not being painted....

Is that because of the photo here: http://www.svzmspotters.net/noticias.php?id=836
Is that an edit or a photoshop? If its a photoshop, its a darn good job, and very accurate as the registration is just as Inbound said it would be 9Y-LGW and 9Y-LHR.

Cheers,
AA1818



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15324 times:

Thanks for starting the thread BW424 but you are missing photos of DAE!!!

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
If true, I wonder why. Also it might explain why the other 2 TTC and TTD have not been delivered yet.

Either Caribbean Airlines doesn't know what their doing or this is based on nothing (maybe coming from (opposing) politicians). You can't be happy or not happy with a new aircraft type after operating it for so little time. Come on, give the ATR a bit more time to prove itself!!! You know what, let them send those ATR's on scheduled flights to CUR so I can judge for myself if they are good or not Big grin

A388

[Edited 2012-04-13 09:00:55]

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15254 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
If true, I wonder why. Also it might explain why the other 2 TTC and TTD have not been delivered yet.

The most consistent rumour around is that they're yet to be paid for. Whether or not CAL is refusing to pay or perhaps they just don't have the money is the topic for debate.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 6):
Is that because of the photo here: http://www.svzmspotters.net/noticias.php?id=836
Is that an edit or a photoshop? If its a photoshop, its a darn good job, and very accurate as the registration is just as Inbound said it would be 9Y-LGW and 9Y-LHR.

Looks photoshop to me, albeit a damn good one.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15230 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 8):
Looks photoshop to me, albeit a damn good one.

If you look at the capital letter "A" of the word Airlines and the two "bb" small letters of the word Caribbean, you will notice that the don't curve as they should (the fuselage is round and not flat). At least this is my opinion. The hummingbird near the horizontal stabilizer also looks awkward/fake. All this definately gives it away as a photoshopped image  

Cheers,

A388

[Edited 2012-04-13 11:39:50]

User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15160 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 5):
also can the Q400 fit in SLU?

Sure it can! Remember when the old BW used to bring the Mad Dogs into SLU?

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
You know what, let them send those ATR's on scheduled flights to CUR so I can judge for myself if they are good or not 

LOL! Of course, you would say that!



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15153 times:

A preview of 9Y-LGW in MEX, its former CC-CEB will be in POS in the beginning of May.

http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.ca/20...l-cc-ceb-uno-de-los-veteranos.html



[Edited 2012-04-13 16:43:19]


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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
A preview of 9Y-LGW in MEX, its former CC-CEB will be in POS in the beginning of May.

I can already see that the titles are smaller compared to the Caribbean Airlines 737's.

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15099 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):

Looking nice looking forward to seeing the aircraft in BGI I don't think at this point CAL will go for the Q400 its not the right aircraft.


User currently offlineinbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15080 times:

See, I knew someone would get a pic sooner or later.  


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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15012 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
A preview of 9Y-LGW in MEX, its former CC-CEB will be in POS in the beginning of May.

Looking forward to seeing it in JFK. Still wish it was a 777 though.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14951 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
9Y-SXM suffers bird strike outbound from POS to JFK. Returns safely...

Any word on any damage to the aircraft?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):

Thanks for posting the photo, too bad its not the the entire aircraft, hope they have the winglets painted

Quoting A388 (Reply 12):
I can already see that the titles are smaller compared to the Caribbean Airlines 737's.

Its probably the same size as on the 737, well it might be a size bigger, but not exactly sure



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14906 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
You can't be happy or not happy with a new aircraft type after operating it for so little time. Come on, give the ATR a bit more time to prove itself!!!

ATR has a backlog of a 150+ orders while BBD has just a handful so CAL is saying everyone else is wrong.  
Are these -500s or earlier? or -600s?



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14890 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 17):
Are these -500s or earlier? or -600s?

They have the -600s



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

Anyone know why AC is sending and E190 on YYZ-BGI route today they have three flights from YYZ-BGI today anyone know why ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7097


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 19):

I think thats quite stretch on an E190 don't you think? It might be a flightaware error.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14781 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 20):
I think thats quite stretch on an E190

Yep. A little bit outside of the E190 published range @ 2424nm unless they are taking a penalty.



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14779 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
Yep. A little bit outside of the E190 published range @ 2424nm unless they are taking a penalty.

Or the flightaware website is wrong. They posted the first Southwest 737-800 flight as being operated with the 737-300...

A388

[Edited 2012-04-14 10:21:42]

User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14757 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):

I saw the plane land in BGI its not an error by flightaware aircraft is currently parked at the gate


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14726 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 16):
Any word on any damage to the aircraft?

No extensive damage that I'm aware of. I believe she was operating 524, returned and then was down for a day or two. She's back in the air now.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
A preview of 9Y-LGW in MEX, its former CC-CEB will be in POS in the beginning of May

Interesting. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing. I believe Nicholas jumped ship knowing the mess he created and just used a paltry excuse to make an easy exit.

Let's up this will be a success despite its tumultuous beginnings.

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
Thanks for starting the thread BW424 but you are missing photos of DAE!!!

LOL......sorry bro. I'll make sure to include a couple next time around.

[Edited 2012-04-14 11:53:01]


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14789 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 23):
I saw the plane land in BGI its not an error by flightaware aircraft is currently parked at the gate

Interesting, I really thought it would be an error especially since its not a direct route, favorable winds maybe?

Quoting BW424 (Reply 24):
No extensive damage that I'm aware of. I believe she was operating 524, returned and then was down for a day or two. She's back in the air now.

Good to know that shes back in the air, thanks BW424



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14766 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 24):
No extensive damage that I'm aware of. I believe she was operating 524, returned and then was down for a day or two. She's back in the air now.

I believe that 9Y-SXM was down for about a day or two after the incident, it was replaced by another a/c.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 24):
Interesting. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing. I believe Nicholas jumped ship knowing the mess he created and just used a paltry excuse to make an easy exit.

   you and I both hope that this will be successful and that CAL gets a new CEO and CFO very soon or things will really go down hill.


LIAT PRO sets the record straight
"While you highlighted the fact that “the cost of fuel has made a number of players in the field shrink as the smaller ones go belly up and the larger entities struggle for survival” you neglected to mention that all other Caribbean carriers – Bahamasair, Cayman Airways and CAL – receive subsidies in some form in the annual budgets of their owners while LIAT does not receive the same facility.

You also neglected to remind your audience that several Caribbean countries pay either marketing support or seat guarantees to several foreign carriers to get them to fly into their countries while none have similar arrangements with LIAT or any other regional carriers.

Permit me to now address the inaccuracies about LIAT in the editorial. It states that: “One year ago the airline said it was moving almost one a half million pounds of cargo annually and this warranted going into the cargo business.”

The reality is that LIAT has always been in the Cargo business. The transport of various forms of cargo has always been a part of the business. What we did in February 2011 was to take our cargo business to a new level with the formal introduction of an aircraft dedicated exclusively to the movement of air cargo throughout our network and that aircraft alone has carried approximately one and a half million pounds of cargo since."
http://www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=73857



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14767 times:

So does anyone know why the AC E190 flew YYZ-BGI did not know if it departed BGI

User currently offlinewindian425 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14755 times:

The Air Canada E190 is on its way home to Brazil for a maintenance check. Should depart first thing tomorrow morning.

User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14748 times:

Quoting windian425 (Reply 28):

Thanks for the info thats strange they are going back to Brazil never seen the AC E190 in BGI other than when being delivered was it just a ferry flight or were there pax onboard?


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14656 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 29):

If its going for a maintenance check then its more likely a ferry flight with no pax.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 15):

The JFK route cant support a 777. Its best suited to the 737 which allows frequent flights at various times of the day allowing maximum flexibility. The jury is still out on whether the LGW route will be a success, given the failures of both SAirJ and BWIA on this route, and the fact that conditions are even worse now (high fuel, APD increasing fares, and a soft UK economy). SO a 767 is a better bet a sthere are fewer seats to fill and it can be diverted to the YYZ route if LGW doesnt generate enough traffic to fully utilize two planes.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14523 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 31):
The jury is still out on whether the LGW route will be a success, given the failures of both SAirJ and BWIA on this route, and the fact that conditions are even worse now (high fuel, APD increasing fares, and a soft UK economy)

It looks like LON would be a prestige - hopefully not so much money losing - route for Caribbean.
Has anybody at Caribbean headquarters bother to check what is the traffic between CCS and LON?
Yes, TP, IB, AF, LH, AA they all offer connections between CCS and LON but nobody flies direct or non-stop.
If Venezuelans could account for 40-50% of the POS-LON-POS loads, that's rally something. It's just a question to route that B767 LGW-POS-CCS-POS-LGW.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14398 times:

Well I guess CAL can advertise LGW in CCS as they do serve CCS daily maybe if there is significant enough demand they could retime the flights or add a new flight to connect with the LGW aircraft.
Is there any word on how PY loads are on GEO-MIA ?


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14363 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 17):
ATR has a backlog of a 150+ orders while BBD has just a handful so CAL is saying everyone else is wrong.  
Are these -500s or earlier? or -600s?

My point exactly. The ATR is outselling BBD by a siginificant ratio. How is it that CAL is experiencing below par performance from the ATR on the CCS run? Seems to me that someone is agitating such a situation through whatever means they have available. It just doesn't make sense to me...........especially since the Lok Jack BoD and Brunton favored such a deal.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14333 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 31):
The JFK route cant support a 777.

It could depending on how the aircraft is utilized.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14340 times:

"Nicholas should not have resigned at CAL"

"With regard to your news item titled ‘CAL Chairman resigns‘ (SN Apr 5), credit must be given to Mr George Nicholas for accepting responsibility for what he interpreted as criticism of his leadership of Caribbean Airlines and tendering his resignation. It is not my view that Mr Nicholas was a failure at CAL. On the contrary, I think his leadership has been the best in CAL/BWIA’s history. "

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/opi...s-should-not-have-resigned-at-cal/


I've never read such a highly concentrated piece of drivel in my life. The Trinidadian newsday reporter is pretty horrible, but this fool takes the cake. The biggest joke and most erroneous fact of all is that Nicholas has a Harvard MBA......lol.....I guess he's terribly confusing credentials with former CAL director Gervase Warner. It's disturbing to know there exist such "low" individuals in our society.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14313 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 36):
I've never read such a highly concentrated piece of drivel in my life. The Trinidadian newsday reporter is pretty horrible, but this fool takes the cake. The biggest joke and most erroneous fact of all is that Nicholas has a Harvard MBA......lol.....I guess he's terribly confusing credentials with former CAL director Gervase Warner. It's disturbing to know there exist such "low" individuals in our society.

Could not agree with you more.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14273 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 36):
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 37):

Don't take this guy seriously he is known for his nonsense.

GUYAIR707


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14250 times:

Hey guys, this past weekend there were three government aircraft from the U.S. in Curacao. They were two Air Force Two 757's and the Air Force One 747. They were parked in Curacao for the South American Summit held in Colombia. I think this was the summit that was held in Trinidad in 2009. In any case, this time these aircraft parked in Curacao!!!

You can see my first photo in below link:


http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=268440


All my best photos I've taken are already in the queue so I hope they will be accepted!!!

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 38):
the Air Force One 747

Hmm...can CTG not handle a 747, it's a 2600m runway?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
Hey guys, this past weekend there were three government aircraft from the U.S. in Curacao. They were two Air Force Two 757's and the Air Force One 747. They were parked in Curacao for the South American Summit held in Colombia. I think this was the summit that was held in Trinidad in 2009. In any case, this time these aircraft parked in Curacao!!!

You can see my first photo in below link:

Guess they had to park em where the crew and staff could find any party girls 



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
Guess they had to park em where the crew and staff could find any party girls 

M ost likely given the number of aircraft flying into CTG for the summit that airport couldn't afford to keep the U.S. presidential B747 on its tarmac all the time. Keeping it in BAQ a few kilometres away instead wasn't an option then.
If I'm not mistaken, its seems that once a U.S. president flew to BAQ and took an helicopter to CTG due to runway or tarmac room issues.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14153 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 40):
Hmm...can CTG not handle a 747, it's a 2600m runway?
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 42):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
Guess they had to park em where the crew and staff could find any party girls

M ost likely given the number of aircraft flying into CTG for the summit that airport couldn't afford to keep the U.S. presidential B747 on its tarmac all the time. Keeping it in BAQ a few kilometres away instead wasn't an option then.
If I'm not mistaken, its seems that once a U.S. president flew to BAQ and took an helicopter to CTG due to runway or tarmac room issues.

I don't know the reasoning for parking their aircraft in Curacao but I can also imagine that parking space was limited in Cartagena and/or Barranquilla due to other government aircraft parking there as well. Besides, the U.S. does have a FOL base in Curacao with decent ramp space available so why not use it as it's close by.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14140 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 32):

I happen to agree with you on the CCS LGW route which should at least be investigated to see market potential now that its not served by BA anymore. I dont know whether running the 767 would make sense but convenient connections ATR=> might work. Right now there arent connections.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 36):
:

You will note that this is aletter and not an article. Mr Bishram is infamous for his surveys which always predict UNC victories, or if he cant show this, then whines about Indians "splitting" their vote. He is Guyanese by the way,,,,probably got favors from Mr Nicholas..


User currently offlinetime2lyme From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Oct 2008, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14140 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
A preview of 9Y-LGW in MEX, its former CC-CEB will be in POS in the beginning of May.

http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.ca/20....html

From comments on that web page translated using my pigeon spanish means that CAL will most likely be getting their two PW4060 powered 763s, CC-CEB, which is now 9Y-LGW, and CC-CDP.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 44):
I dont know whether running the 767 would make sense but convenient connections ATR=> might work. Right now there arent connections.

I'd say let the CCS-LON-CCS cargo demand decide if it's worth to fly the B767 between POS and CCS.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 44):
I happen to agree with you on the CCS LGW route which should at least be investigated to see market potential now that its not served by BA anymore. I dont know whether running the 767 would make sense but convenient connections ATR=> might work. Right now there arent connections.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 46):
I'd say let the CCS-LON-CCS cargo demand decide if it's worth to fly the B767 between POS and CCS.

Valid points but the thing is that the arrival and departure times for both markets (CCS-POS and POS-LGW) should be considered as well because if the same 767 is used for a CCS-POS-LGW routing it will mean that the market between CCS and POS must be adjusted in order to get favorable arrival and departure times in LGW. I would think as guyanam said that connections with the ATR flights can be better or maybe even the 738. Cargo can always go on DHL to POS for onward connection to LGW on Caribbean Airlines flight to LGW. Cargo in that regard is less prone to convenient connections in the way that passengers would want  

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

If BA discontinued CCS the yields must not have been good enough but maybe CAL can make it work through convenient connections. On another note heard some female pilots on the scanner this week I am wondering how many female pilots are they at CAL LI PY etc

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13831 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 47):

BW can run 4rX/week early afternoon from POS to CCS with a return in time to connect to the LGW bound flight. They can do a late afternoon to CCS 3X/week. They can add morning flights if needed.

An added bonus is these departures will allow better integration into the JFK route if there is need for added JFK CCS capacity, which some claim.i


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13834 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 49):
BW can run 4rX/week early afternoon from POS to CCS with a return in time to connect to the LGW bound flight. They can do a late afternoon to CCS 3X/week. They can add morning flights if needed.

An added bonus is these departures will allow better integration into the JFK route if there is need for added JFK CCS capacity, which some claim.i

Well that looks like a good recipe to improve POS-CCS connectivity.
And yes, there's a need for extra capacity between CCS and NYC.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 50):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 49):
BW can run 4rX/week early afternoon from POS to CCS with a return in time to connect to the LGW bound flight. They can do a late afternoon to CCS 3X/week. They can add morning flights if needed.

An added bonus is these departures will allow better integration into the JFK route if there is need for added JFK CCS capacity, which some claim.i

Well that looks like a good recipe to improve POS-CCS connectivity.
And yes, there's a need for extra capacity between CCS and NYC.

All valid points and maybe good opportunities for Caribbean Airlines to work on it if needed.

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

Noticed RD 8p-IGB was doing ILS approaches into BGI today does anyone have any updates on the RD situation?

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

CAL jet in Mexico New questions over London route


DEFUNCT state-owned airline British West Indies Airways (BWIA) dropped the London route because it was losing millions of dollars annually. So what made former Caribbean Airlines (CAL) chairman George Nicholas III and his board believe they could turn the situation around and make the trans Atlantic route profitable?

Business Day learnt from Ian Bertrand, a former chief executive of BWIA, now an aviation consultant, that the only time the London route was profitable was during the period during which the L-1011TriStar (BWIA had four of these airplanes) was operating the service. He explained that the TriStar was a flexible aircraft in that it could have been pressed into service to any of the airline’s North American destinations, particularly New York and Toronto.

See full article: http://newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,158778.html

Any truth to that? What would the aircraft be doing in Mexico? Is that where they're being prepared?



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 53):
Any truth to that? What would the aircraft be doing in Mexico? Is that where they're being prepared?

The aircraft is in MEX for heavy maintenance.

As for this author; the epitome of double standards and no shame. For a guy who constantly infatuated himself with speculative bullsh#t day in day out when the Lok Jack BoD was there, it is comical that he's now trying to call foul on the present situation. One thing he avoids (obviously as a result of pride) is comparing and contrasting BoDs. That would soften his misplaced ego.

Anyway, it's obvious CAL is in a dire situation. How do they move forward from here? The producer of Justplanes made extremely strong negative comments about the airline with its new found management regarding recent discussions. Said they didn't give a flying crap about aviation. That wasn't the case under the Lok Jack BoD.

We'll just have to pray for the best. Sometimes, I really do think CAL may have deserved this turmoil..........people take good things for granted; no matter how bad their previous experiences have been.   

[Edited 2012-04-19 22:10:03]

[Edited 2012-04-19 22:12:00]


It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13207 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 53):
Business Day learnt from Ian Bertrand, a former chief executive of BWIA, now an aviation consultant, that the only time the London route was profitable was during the period during which the L-1011TriStar (BWIA had four of these airplanes) was operating the service. He explained that the TriStar was a flexible aircraft in that it could have been pressed into service to any of the airline’s North American destinations, particularly New York and Toronto.

Makes perfect sense.
That's what many on here have been stressing- that the 767s are a flexible aircraft. Perfectly suited to LHR ops, and also to North American routes. AA flies their 767 to POS from MIA, and AC uses the 767 from Canada to Jamaica and other C'bbean islands.

Best of luck to CAL!

AA1818



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13181 times:

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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Heard on the news today that CAL will make all members of JALPA redundant in May how will the manage pilot wise with this reduction in pilots?

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

Air Jamaica name drop concerns Opposition

The Opposition is this morning expressing concern that the decision by Caribbean Airlines to drop the Air Jamaica label from flight announcements, will affect support by members of the Diaspora who use the carrier.

The Opposition spokesman on Tourism, Ed Bartlet, said at the time of the Air Jamaica takeover by Caribbean Airlines in 2010, many travellers in the Diaspora had reservations since they were no longer getting a purely Jamaican brand.

He said the situation could now worsen.

In the meantime, up to last night, the Government had received no official word about the impending redundancy at CARIBAL, which will affect 75 Jamaican pilots.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=36698



Jamaican pilots cut from Caribbean Airlines

Twenty-four hours after Caribbean Airlines dropped the words 'Air Jamaica' from all its airport flight announcements, the Trinidad-based carrier has made its 75 Jamaican pilots redundant.

The pilots, who were working under an interim contract with CARIBAL Ltd, the company that Caribbean Airlines used when it took over Air Jamaica in 2010, were advised at an emergency meeting in Kingston yesterday.

A release from the airline stated that CARIBAL, a CAL subsidiary, has been closed.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120420/lead/lead2.html


Hate to say i told you so.... Who ever here say's they never saw this coming has their heads stuck up places where the sun don't shine. I saw this coming from day one. Was only a matter of time before CAL dumps JM. It is this same unfortunate scenario would have happened if CAL were to ever takeover LI. Dump the small man and move everything to POS. Quite interesting to read about leases being expired for the Jamaican aircraft. Sorry, but i just cannot trust CAL and their management. My thoughts go out to all the Jamaican pilots, some of whom I know quite well.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

[quote=BW424,reply=54]
While this author is known to sensationalize and to not check his facts before opining, there are outstanding issues concerning the viability of the LGW route (it will be an expensive money loser if it doesnt work) and the reason for the delay of the ATR aircraft.


The issues are is LGW a route that is viable or a vanity project...and does it merit a daily service, with a 3x week BGI stop? What is the true financial situation of CAL and is it being seen by its suppliers as being an unreliable customer with late payments? If the Jcan base is losing $$$ why should the T&T taxpayer have to fully subsidize these losses with no support from Jca? If Germany doesnt fully subsidize its poorer Euro neigbors, T&T certainnly cannot be expected to do so.

As I continue to say the GORTT is not in a position to spend millions of dollars on an indefinite basis on a state owned corporation which performs a service (other than the TAB bridge) which can be performed by others while there is high crime and problems concerning health care/education and flood control/reliable water supply, all of have to be the concern of GORTT. Thius is why BWIA was shut down and if CAL is another version of this as a bottomless pit the voting public will eventually tire of it...especially its Jcan ops which are not being subsidized by the GofJ.

Of course CAL's most critical problem is weak governance. Any one looking at the resumes of the Board will walk away thinking that the GORTT isnt serious and Kamla is obviously selecting her friends to sit on a prestige board's


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 60, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 58):
Jamaican pilots cut from Caribbean Airlines

Twenty-four hours after Caribbean Airlines dropped the words 'Air Jamaica' from all its airport flight announcements, the Trinidad-based carrier has made its 75 Jamaican pilots redundant.

Will those Air Jamaica painted 737's all be repainted in Caribbean Airlines colors? If so, when will they start repainting them and when is the last one to be repainted?

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13079 times:

CAL just seems like its in a downward spiral I hope they can get their issues rectified as many have stated before CAL should have continued its focus on what it does well rather than try such a massive expansion time will tell.

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 61):

CAL needs to focus on governance issues. Dump the board, strengthen its management. Dump the KIN base if it cant be made to work and look at the LGW route seriously. CAL cannot afford a vanity route as it will be a huge gas guzzler if it is not viable. Maybe they can back out of the BGI LGW fiasco as they havent even begun to publicize it. Dont see it working in the current environment. Maybe a focus on feed from CCS and GEO thru POS to LGW.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 58):
Hate to say i told you so.... Who ever here say's they never saw this coming has their heads stuck up places where the sun don't shine. I saw this coming from day one. Was only a matter of time before CAL dumps JM. It is this same unfortunate scenario would have happened if CAL were to ever takeover LI. Dump the small man and move everything to POS.

This happens with every airline merger. not just BW/JM



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13052 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 59):
Of course CAL's most critical problem is weak governance. Any one looking at the resumes of the Board will walk away thinking that the GORTT isnt serious and Kamla is obviously selecting her friends to sit on a prestige board's

I have been thinking this for a while now. When is elections again?

I am not surprised, but I am very disappointed in what is going on at CAL.



God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 65, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13055 times:

My latest aircraft photo just reached the front page. See it in below link:



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Hope you like it!!!

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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13033 times:

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 64):

Not sure when elections are but it appears as if Kamla is the savior that people thought she was. Her attitude towards CAL can be seen in other areas as well. I do not know if Trinis will warm up to the PNM again.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13012 times:

BW424 any more info you can give me about the just planes thing? Also what is with BW dropping JM name when was this done?

Seems that some one here forget why Caribbean Airlines was formed based on what I have read!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 66):

Regarding the elections assuming there is the 90 days clause in the Constitution of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, elections will be due between May 25th and August 20th 2015. Although it does remain at discretion of the PM. So she could get a vaps like Manning and call it tomorrow.


As for Kamla being a savior, I think it is best you make your comments based on fact rather than misguided notions. With regards to warming up the PNM history would suggest that you are wrong. However I think the resident trinis would be in a better place to comment on this.


Regards
BWIA 772



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12943 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 67):

I meant to say "savior". Sarcasm intended....though you must admit that she did have a honey moon period where she could do no wrong. Thats over though and even her Partners seem to be tired of her. Note current bacchanal between the UNC and COP. If PP doesnt win that only leaves the PNM because COP doesnt seem capable on their own.

Why was CAL formed?

Kamla's "stewardship" of CAL isnt unique to that situation.

[Edited 2012-04-20 16:56:19]

[Edited 2012-04-20 16:57:07]

User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 67):
As for Kamla being a savior, I think it is best you make your comments based on fact rather than misguided notions. With regards to warming up the PNM history would suggest that you are wrong. However I think the resident trinis would be in a better place to comment on this.
Quoting guyanam (Reply 68):
I meant to say "savior". Sarcasm intended....though you must admit that she did have a honey moon period where she could do no wrong. Thats over though and even her Partners seem to be tired of her. Note current bacchanal between the UNC and COP. If PP doesnt win that only leaves the PNM because COP doesnt seem capable on their own.

The honey moon period ended when she lied about the Intelligence agency and went down hill during the state of emergency, more so when she came out in public and said there was a threat on her life.

Honestly as BWIA772 said, the PNM will always be the yardstick people in T&T measure every single party in terms of performance, and none has been able to govern the country as effective as them. Why, because their only concern is "Keep the PNM out of power".

As for CAL, as the article above noted, the PM allowed her "Family member" to act as an executive Chairman at CAL for 18 months, leaving the airline without a serious CEO, CFO and Communication manager. Now that the s%&t is about the hit the fan he ran like the scolded dog to save face.

The LAN 767 is in MEX because well that is were it is being maintained lol, it still has LAN's registration CC-CEB.

Now as for the Jamaica issue, no JM a/c will be repainted and the JM brand will not be lost, no decision was even made on that. What is happening is that CAL is closing the transition company that it formed "CariBAL" and integrating the JM pilots into CAL, with the same pay and benefits as stipulated in their contract.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 62):

   The issue with CAL is the complete lack of good Cooperate Governance and it is bringing the airline into now crucial financial straights.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 12884 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 57):

One article did say they would rehire about 60 of the pilots.

Quoting A388 (Reply 60):

I did read an article that said all a/c were going to be repainted and the JM brand was going to be dropped. It was mentioned it was a rumor. However, in this article the Chairman of JM, Lalor says he is not aware the JM brand will be dropped.

http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=36709


At GND when I arrived 4/11, there were 2 AA 738's on the tarmac, and a BA 777 that had broken down. GND seems a lot busier than in 2001 when I last visited. On 4/18 when I arrived in POS on TJR there were 6 BW's including JMA, JME and ANU. Also 2 other CAL liveries that I could not see the reg #. In GEO I saw SXM. My aunt was on AC GND-YYZ and they left one bag per pax. I do believe that it was an A319, but not so sure. Does that mean AC was weight restricted on that flight??

I have to say my experience at JFK while booking my flight, and my experience at GND at check in makes me believe that CAL is losing it. I stood at JFK and heard the agents bad mouthing the customers in my presence. They were extremely rude and unhelpful.

At GND it took them 1 full hour to check in 5 of us, first they could not enter a pax name, then the luggage kept being checked to POS instead of GEO, which I had to bring to their attention, then they could not issue the boarding pass for 2 pax POS-GEO. Then when I got into POS, we had to push a baby stroller on an escalator, noone to help with an elevator, then we had to wait about 30 mins for someone to open the elevator for us to go upstairs. CAL offically SUCKS right now.

Let me see how I will fare on 526 GEO-JFK on 4/29.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 12874 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 65):

Congrats on making page 1!!!!

GUYAIR707


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12804 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 56):
Quoting A388 (Reply 65):

Great pics again A388!



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 63):
This happens with every airline merger. not just BW/JM

Apart from Air France/KLM, I dont know of any other merger where two airlines wanted this "one airline, two brands" deal. I think it was a silly idea from the onset and felt BW never wanted that. They only did it to satisfy the Govt of Jamaica. You don't walk onboard a AF flight and hear the FA's say welcome onboard KLM, and we're not talking about a code share flight here. You don't board a KL flight when the aircraft outside says AF. They didnt get rid of the KL code. All their crew's don't wear AF uniforms. The point is, if you're going to maintain two brands, maintain two brands. Not the highly one sided thing BW was doing. AF/KL is a wonderful example of how that's done.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12727 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
AF/KL is a wonderful example of how that's done.

This what I said here at the beginning of this messy merger of JM/BW

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
You don't board a KL flight when the aircraft outside says AF

I also said this a long time ago as it was bad marketing and confusing to customers but I was told on here that it was the efficient way to utilize the aircraft for BW/JM.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
The point is, if you're going to maintain two brands, maintain two brands.

Dont forget IAG that owns BA/IB


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 74):
I also said this a long time ago as it was bad marketing and confusing to customers but I was told on here that it was the efficient way to utilize the aircraft for BW/JM.

A few threads back there was a big argument about this. Some were of the view that passengers didn't care or even notice what's written outside the aircraft. While I agree that BW had to do it sometimes for maintenance reasons, I couldn't help but get the feeling BW just didn't care which aircraft goes where. I was in POS sometime ago and counted 4 JM coloured aircraft parked at the terminal going places other than KIN.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 76, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12593 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 69):
Now as for the Jamaica issue, no JM a/c will be repainted and the JM brand will not be lost, no decision was even made on that. What is happening is that CAL is closing the transition company that it formed "CariBAL" and integrating the JM pilots into CAL, with the same pay and benefits as stipulated in their contract.

It is the first time that I admit that I'm getting confused myself with this Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica merger. Will those 75 pilot keep their jobs after CariBAL is closed?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 72):
Great pics again A388!
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 71):
Quoting A388 (Reply 65):


Congrats on making page 1!!!!

GUYAIR707

Thanks guys!!! 
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 74):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
AF/KL is a wonderful example of how that's done.

This what I said here at the beginning of this messy merger of JM/BW

That is what I said too. Hopefully it will all end up well for both Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica.

A388


User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
Apart from Air France/KLM, I dont know of any other merger where two airlines wanted this "one airline, two brands" deal. I think it was a silly idea from the onset and felt BW never wanted that. They only did it to satisfy the Govt of Jamaica. You don't walk onboard a AF flight and hear the FA's say welcome onboard KLM, and we're not talking about a code share flight here. You don't board a KL flight when the aircraft outside says AF. They didnt get rid of the KL code. All their crew's don't wear AF uniforms. The point is, if you're going to maintain two brands, maintain two brands. Not the highly one sided thing BW was doing. AF/KL is a wonderful example of how that's done.

I must have been on one of my hiatuses and missed this point. This is a very good point.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 74):
Dont forget IAG that owns BA/IB

Also, Southwest has decided to keep (for now) themselves separate from AirTran. You can also throw in SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Airlines -- two companies under one umbrella.

Quoting A388 (Reply 76):
That is what I said too. Hopefully it will all end up well for both Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica.

For that you'd need a good management team and leadership. I'm just saying...  



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12483 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
Apart from Air France/KLM, I dont know of any other merger where two airlines wanted this "one airline, two brands" deal

BA/IB. TA/AV. LA/JJ

And lots of Airlines have two brands...for example Qf/JQ



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12447 times:

ch-aviation reports that the government of St. Lucia set-up a new airline together Intro Aviation. The Austrian operator InterSky (a part of Intro Aviation) will deploy some of its staff to SLU and the new carrier will also use DHC-8-300s.

Link: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/newsdetail.php?id=10035


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12423 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 79):
ch-aviation reports that the government of St. Lucia set-up a new airline together Intro Aviation. The Austrian operator InterSky (a part of Intro Aviation) will deploy some of its staff to SLU and the new carrier will also use DHC-8-300s.

Oh here we go again.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

I guess Intersky has some money it wants to waste.

User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 82, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 79):

ch-aviation reports that the government of St. Lucia set-up a new airline together Intro Aviation. The Austrian operator InterSky (a part of Intro Aviation) will deploy some of its staff to SLU and the new carrier will also use DHC-8-300s.

Link: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...10035

Well, at least they didn't start in the airline graveyard that is BGI... hopefully St. Lucia will have better luck.


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12324 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 82):

Well lets see how long approval takes in BGI for flights to operate by that time they too might be out of business.


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12284 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 79):

ch-aviation reports that the government of St. Lucia set-up a new airline together Intro Aviation. The Austrian operator InterSky (a part of Intro Aviation) will deploy some of its staff to SLU and the new carrier will also use DHC-8-300s.

Not another one of these. Anyone remember Helenair Caribbean from the mid-90s? They were based in SLU and flew several regional routes. I never flew on them but people who I knew who did said they had very good experiences on them. If I recall correctly they flew to POS, GND, SVD, BGI and DOM from SLU. They went out of business around 2000. Unfortunately the region is filled with the remains of airline start-ups. Do the Austrian company want to start long-haul flights into UVF and tie into the regional network with a subsidiary? Let's remember BA tried the same thing back in the mid-90s with Carib Express and they went after only 14 months or so.

Still, all the best with this new venture.



Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):

Apart from Air France/KLM, I dont know of any other merger where two airlines wanted this "one airline, two brands" deal. I think it was a silly idea from the onset and felt BW never wanted that. They only did it to satisfy the Govt of Jamaica. You don't walk onboard a AF flight and hear the FA's say welcome onboard KLM, and we're not talking about a code share flight here. You don't board a KL flight when the aircraft outside says AF. They didnt get rid of the KL code. All their crew's don't wear AF uniforms. The point is, if you're going to maintain two brands, maintain two brands. Not the highly one sided thing BW was doing. AF/KL is a wonderful example of how that's done.

I agree with many of your points. Unfortunately this merger between BW and JM seems to be struggling, perhaps even unravelling a bit. It was something that needed astute management of BW to really make it work. The Board at BW at the time the merger talks had started came across as having the wherewithall to make it work but of course times changed rather drastically after that. You are right in saying BW did not want to have two brands - the aim was one brand, "Towards a single Caribbean airline". The issue of reception of same in Jamaica forced the two brands issue. The trouble is that the other airline pairs mentioned - KL and AF, BA and IB, AV and TA, JJ and LA - are all tie-ups of much larger entities whose individual scales of operation facilitates separate brands as truly viable entities. BW post-merger is smaller than any of those eight airlines. BW's concern was that trying to market the two brands, especially in cities where both are present (e.g. JFK and MIA / FLL) would have caused much duplication of effort and be costly.

All things being equal, though, once the decision was taken to have the two brands remain they should have focused on strengthening and promoting them as such rather than the weak "middle-ground" they seem to have settled for. Let's see how all of this plays out. Of course some of their problems are beyond their control (economy, reduced tourist arrivals and all that).

Trintocan.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 85, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12132 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
BA/IB. TA/AV. LA/JJ

And lots of Airlines have two brands...for example Qf/JQ

The future on keeping both TA/AV brands or integrating them as one brand will be (or is being) discussed so the future of these two brands isn't clear yet.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 84):
The trouble is that the other airline pairs mentioned - KL and AF, BA and IB, AV and TA, JJ and LA - are all tie-ups of much larger entities whose individual scales of operation facilitates separate brands as truly viable entities. BW post-merger is smaller than any of those eight airlines. BW's concern was that trying to market the two brands, especially in cities where both are present (e.g. JFK and MIA / FLL) would have caused much duplication of effort and be costly.

Valid points, the size of these airlines is different and not truly comparable, but...

Quoting trintocan (Reply 84):
All things being equal, though, once the decision was taken to have the two brands remain they should have focused on strengthening and promoting them as such rather than the weak "middle-ground" they seem to have settled for.

... this also isn't the right way to do it. Caribbean Airlines could have or can do it better than they have done so far. I truly hope that both brands will remain. Keeping my fingers crossed.

A388


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 86, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12149 times:

Strange that it hasn't been posted here yet. Bahamasair received its first 737-500:



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Photo © Stephen B. Aranha




Their livery looks much better on the 737-500!!!

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 70):

The problem that CAL outsources its ground services, and is quite arrogantly ignoring frequent complaints about this. This is a major reason for their problem on their Jcan routes where passengers have many other choices these days, even into KIN. To POS and GEO passengers must grind their teeth and bear it as AA/DL are even worse.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 11878 times:

Not relevant, but I thought i would share one of my photos from the 787s visit to MAN with you guys 
787 at MAN


Not the best and the weather didnt help either, but this was the best I could get

[Edited 2012-04-24 08:50:35]


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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 88):

Nice shot! Can't wait to see it in person! or better yet...to fly her!

AA1818



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 89):
Nice shot! Can't wait to see it in person! or better yet...to fly her!

Thanks AA1818 was right up to the fence when I took it. Its amazing how quiet this aircraft is! Hopefully I can fly on 1 myself someday.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 11840 times:

Nice pics enjoyed seeing the 788 in BGI for humidity testing. Some more Redjet "news" seems the BGI Pm is hinting of lending financial assistance.
http://www.nationnews.com/index.php/...view/lynch-not-one-cent-to-redjet/


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 91):

I guess the question will eb why do they subsidize AA, except maybe on the DFW route which they canm view as a developmental route. JFK and MIA are traditional routes and I see no reason why AA will not continue to operate them. The JFK route is hardly low yield as it was to AUA and SXM, given the significant VFR.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 92):
I guess the question will eb why do they subsidize AA, except maybe on the DFW route

The simple answer is because Governments will never learn that subsidization very rarely works. Growing the demand for the country in these markets does 100% of the time.



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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 11786 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
The simple answer is because Governments will never learn that subsidization very rarely works.

This is exactly what I have said on several occasions of late. What have the Caribbean Islands really gained from all the millions being plowed into the coffers of (mostly) foreign airlines? More tourists? Certainly if the whole tourist industry of a place is very heavily dependent on Government-supported air services then that's an unsustainable model. It means that a significant part of any revenue generated is leaving the country immediately with every jet leaving the airport. It would be very interesting if someone could do a study or dissertation on this matter - though of course the airlines may not want to disclose sensitive numbers. Further to the point about the airlines, one has to wonder whether some are using these subsidies paid by small countries to offset losses on more competitive routes in their systems. This could even be to the point of offering lower fares per seat mile or km on a route between two major world capitals, which may see 4 or 5 flight options available, compared to a flight to the country concerned where the airline may be the only player.

I am mystified as to why AA need support to BGI from MIA and JFK, certainly these routes are mature and have high traffic levels and AA have a monopoly on MIA (OK, B6 is there to JFK). BGI certainly has a greater traffic volume from these ports than any other Eastern Caribbean destination save POS.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 94):
It would be very interesting if someone could do a study or dissertation on this matter - though of course the airlines may not want to disclose sensitive numbers.

I have but unfortunately that is privileged information.

Irrespective, one need only have gone to the last ROUTES conference and attend the various breakout sessions where folks from WN et al were busy giving the full rundown on why subsidies were bad and why they are falling out of favor with airlines. If memory serves me right one panelist (i think from JJ) even mentioned that now when countries offer a rev guarantee that it acts as an alarm bell to them indicating that the route might not have the long term growth prospects really needed.

I also must point out one of the classic case of RG's gone awry. JTB's PHX-MBJ on US.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

Well we don't know what threats AA could make if AA left BGI would be in quite a predicament plus on AA side if they could receive a subsidy while flying the route profitably already that's extra icing on the cake.

User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11768 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 94):
This is exactly what I have said on several occasions of late. What have the Caribbean Islands really gained from all the millions being plowed into the coffers of (mostly) foreign airlines? More tourists? Certainly if the whole tourist industry of a place is very heavily dependent on Government-supported air services then that's an unsustainable model. It means that a significant part of any revenue generated is leaving the country immediately with every jet leaving the airport. It would be very interesting if someone could do a study or dissertation on this matter - though of course the airlines may not want to disclose sensitive numbers. Further to the point about the airlines, one has to wonder whether some are using these subsidies paid by small countries to offset losses on more competitive routes in their systems. This could even be to the point of offering lower fares per seat mile or km on a route between two major world capitals, which may see 4 or 5 flight options available, compared to a flight to the country concerned where the airline may be the only player.

Amen. Amen. Agree 100%

Quoting trintocan (Reply 94):
I am mystified as to why AA need support to BGI from MIA and JFK, certainly these routes are mature and have high traffic levels and AA have a monopoly on MIA (OK, B6 is there to JFK). BGI certainly has a greater traffic volume from these ports than any other Eastern Caribbean destination save POS.

And give me another amen....



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 91):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 92):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
Quoting trintocan (Reply 94):

I have said it time and time again that the level of subsidies invested in these airlines are out of control in this region. In the past we were flamed by some posters that it increased to tourist arrivals, without any real study being done . I remember a report done by an international institution said at average 30c to every dollar spent is kept on the islands. It then means that for every dollar spent in the islands, 60c goes out of the countries while places like EU, USA, actually see a about 85c for every dollar spent. The subsidies are not truly sustaining many of the markets in Caribbean, as we have seen time and time again when islands get into economical problems and cannot pay the fees, AA and others leave, showing that the routes are never making money and make no economical sense in the first place.

This article (study) puts it into perspective.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/40037508/Economic-Impact-of-Tourism



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 99, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 92):
I guess the question will eb why do they subsidize AA, except maybe on the DFW route which they canm view as a developmental route. JFK and MIA are traditional routes and I see no reason why AA will not continue to operate them. The JFK route is hardly low yield as it was to AUA and SXM, given the significant VFR

Only DFWBGI, which soon ends, is subsidized.



a.
User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11736 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 99):

Is it being cancelled permanently or is it a seasonal operation ?


User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 11736 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 98):
I have said it time and time again that the level of subsidies invested in these airlines are out of control in this region. In the past we were flamed by some posters that it increased to tourist arrivals, without any real study being done . I remember a report done by an international institution said at average 30c to every dollar spent is kept on the islands. It then means that for every dollar spent in the islands, 60c goes out of the countries while places like EU, USA, actually see a about 85c for every dollar spent. The subsidies are not truly sustaining many of the markets in Caribbean, as we have seen time and time again when islands get into economical problems and cannot pay the fees, AA and others leave, showing that the routes are never making money and make no economical sense in the first place.

This article (study) puts it into perspective.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/40037508/E...urism

Friend, this is why i am not a fan of tourism and the subsidies. I was always skeptical. I was always told in counterpoint that it increased arrivals, etc.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 99):

Why does a 1X/week flight require "millions of dollars (even if they mean Bajan dollars)"? While I can see Bdos being obligated to help support the route while its establishing itself ought not AA also assume some risk? We arent talking about tiny destinations like SKB or GND or worse yet TAB.

These govts ought to spend more on training tourism personnel and developing product and less on subsidizing empty seats.

BA into SKB is subject to seat guarantees. Yet arrivals from the UK are LOWER then when the route was operated by charters. Yes one might argue that the caliber of visitor might be better, but reports indicate that its a mainly VFR route, i.e people who will return "home" regardless. SKB remains all but unknown in the UK marketplace so is this the best use of scarce funds?

Now is Bdos pouring good $$$ for a losing cause. If the RD model is not sustainable does subsidizing a privately owned company make sense? If LIAt shows up with their hands out what then? They fly way more Caribbean visitors to BGI than RD does, or ever will. A LIAT collapse will be a huge disaster for BGI.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 11724 times:

Quoting JM017 (Reply 101):
I was always told in counterpoint that it increased arrivals, etc.

But it can be rightly argued (like in the case of the PHX-MBJ subsidy) that those pax would have gone to MBJ anyway via some other hub and that in fact it may have hurt load factors on other flights (from say IAH). In the case of BGI, they would have got to BGI anyway via MIA (for example)

Every action has a reaction. Rev Guarantees have their place but not on routes that have very little natural market and where it divides the pie further to the detriment of other carriers. Caribbean countries need to realize that the RG is most likely not in their best long term interest and is definitely only a ploy to score political points with the electorate.

In the end routes must stand on their own and it is the job of the various tourism boards to make the business case to the various airlines.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 11699 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
But it can be rightly argued (like in the case of the PHX-MBJ subsidy) that those pax would have gone to MBJ anyway via some other hub and that in fact it may have hurt load factors on other flights (from say IAH). In the case of BGI, they would have got to BGI anyway via MIA (for example)

I agree completely. This is why I was never a fan of the subsidies. I cannot imagine in this age of megahubs and the reality of having to connect on a regular basis that tourists will object to connecting in MIA, IAH or ATL to get from PHX to MBJ, using your example.



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 11688 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 103):
Quoting JM017 (Reply 104):

     ,
In this age of large hubs we have countries continually subsidizing airlines for services with the belief that increase heads will be better in filling hotel rooms. Its a political ploy at elections to say that party x has increase tourist arrivals, while not saying if the country is spending more than it is earning. Now no doubt that increase heads is a very good thing, however airlines will not continue to fly routes where yields are very poor and subsidies are not covering loses.

Lets take a look at St. Lucia, a month or two ago there was an article stating the amount of money spent on keeping 2 MQ flights and WS was taking a toll on government budget, despite MQ already having a single service and WS flying full.

The fact remains that we as a people keep on electing persons unfit to hold office and has no idea on direction in which the countries are to go, more so in the economies of each region.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11623 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 87):

Well the problem is that they will lose avid, loyal customers like me if they continue like this.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11605 times:

"Capt Ian Brunton: CAL chairman, board did not understand roles"

"There is need for Caribbean Airlines Ltd (CAL) to be steered in the right direction, said Ian Brunton, former chief executive officer of CAL. The airline shot into the spotlight in early April when its chairman George Nicholas III tendered his resignation, saying he was not pleased about Transport Minister Devant Maharaj’s rating of his performance. “I am afraid I am unable to comment with any certainty on the financial performance of CAL in the absence of up-to-date financial reports. However, from what I have seen and read in the media, and from the general comments of staff, it does appear that CAL has significantly lost its way,” Brunton said in response to e-mailed questions from the Business Guardian while in Canada. In November 2010, Nicholas was appointed chairman of CAL. Three weeks later, Brunton, 64, was dismissed."

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business-g...man-board-did-not-understand-roles

Everything said here by Brunton myself and a few other members have been echoing for several months. Interesting that he says, "It appears that in the last 18 months, all the good work and success of CAL, have been reversed and there is dire need to get it back on track."

That is very disturbing. In 18 mths, we've really seen an airline severely abused and left licking its sores. But, Brunton says there are still experts in the airline that can salvage it from its present downward spiral if allowed to do so.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
Apart from Air France/KLM, I dont know of any other merger where two airlines wanted this "one airline, two brands" deal.

Don't forget the LH Group

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):
A LIAT collapse will be a huge disaster for BGI.

Temporarily, the market almost always fills profitable gaps.



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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11504 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
BA/IB. TA/AV. LA/JJ

And lots of Airlines have two brands...for example Qf/JQ
Quoting trintocan (Reply 84):
The trouble is that the other airline pairs mentioned - KL and AF, BA and IB, AV and TA, JJ and LA - are all tie-ups of much larger entities whose individual scales of operation facilitates separate brands as truly viable entities. BW post-merger is smaller than any of those eight airlines. BW's concern was that trying to market the two brands, especially in cities where both are present (e.g. JFK and MIA / FLL) would have caused much duplication of effort and be costly.

Just to re-iterate what trintocan very eloquently said...sure lots of airlines have two brands or more brands as in the case of LH, but none of them operate as a single airline. From an operational standpoint, all of those airlines are separate. Actually each of those airlines have their own CEO, separate fleets etc.

The "JM Fleet" is not really a "JM Fleet" as we have seen. Operationally its one airline, with one fleet, operating as one business, with two brands to confuse everything.
Be rid of the JM brand. Re-centralize operations to POS. Utilize a base in KIN to run trunk routes and profitable routes only, and those aircraft can be rotated through mutual stations like POS, BGI, SXM, JFK, FLL and YYZ, for repositioning to run flights to NAS, PHL, and any other points they may wish to serve like HAV and GCM.

This nonsense about maintaining the JM brand must end. If Jamaicans wish to 'cut-off their nose to spite their face' then so be it, if its unsuccessful, leave, but give it one last shot in a sensible manner.

AA1818



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11450 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):
Just to re-iterate what trintocan very eloquently said...sure lots of airlines have two brands or more brands as in the case of LH, but none of them operate as a single airline. From an operational standpoint, all of those airlines are separate. Actually each of those airlines have their own CEO, separate fleets etc.

That was the point I was trying to make. Every other airline that maintains two brands do just that. They are separate and distinct companies owned by a parent group. This didn't happen with BW/JM. JM did not exist as a company. Painting aircraft in JM colours didn't mean a thing.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):
This nonsense about maintaining the JM brand must end. If Jamaicans wish to 'cut-off their nose to spite their face' then so be it, if its unsuccessful, leave, but give it one last shot in a sensible manner.

Was just yesterday I heard that phrase on tv. Found it rather funny.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):
A LIAT collapse will be a huge disaster for BGI.
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 108):
Temporarily, the market almost always fills profitable gaps.

By whom and how quickly? CAL? Gimme a break. A LIAT collapse will be not only a huge disaster for BGI, but for the entire Eastern Caribbean.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 106):

They have been told this often enough, but I guess are too busy building fantasy routes than to tend to the needs of the core matrket which is BGI/KIN/MIA/FLL/JFK/POS/GEO/GND

Quoting BW424 (Reply 107):
.

Excellent comments. Ian Brunton and his immediate predecessor did a good job with CAL. The first CEO had a fantasy of POS being a hub and neglected the VFR market. I will never forget him trying to serve JFDK POS with only 1 daily flight, DURING CARNIVAL..also serving GEO.

It will be good if they can win Brunton back, if they cant get a competent CEO. Of copurse they ned to get a board with people with airline, experttise, also corporate experience in a marketing/financial function,preferably some one who understands the need to be internationally competitive..a key factor that madethe previous chairman, Lok Jack, effective.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):

You dont get the point do you. Jamaica has no more a need for "their own" carrier than does the Dom Rep. If CAL walks (and they should if they cant make KIN work) there will be no shortage of carriers willing to fill the gap. Jamaica is the 3rd largest Carib market out of the USA behind PR and DR. Attracting more than 1 million US tourists, with more than 100,000 jamaicans visiting the USA, and with aJamaican diaspora of maybe i million that market is very lucartive...

Ditto Canada. Minus BW B6 expands and some new carrier enters the JFK KIN route, maybe Delta. FLL already has B6 and NK and AC and WS. US has just about pushed BW out of the PHL market...so where is the loss of CAL pulls out of its Jca-N. Am routes?

At this point CAL can do what they wnat with the Jcan brand. Dennis Lalor said early this year, and the JLP now say that Jcans do not recognize CAL as "their" airline and many chose others instead. The JLPs comments being tied to their skepticism about the AJ brand being to all intents and purposes scrapped.

So if CAL cannot make its KIN base work they should do themselves and the T&T taxpayer (Jcans will not help them) favor and walk. They will be missed by very few people. Jamaicans survived the loss of the Lovebird....that "Little Piece of Jamaica that Flies." They can survive the end of "dat Trini ting"....or as some also say "dat small islan' ting".


[quote=LimaFoxTango,reply=110]

Any one who says that the market will replace LIAT doesnt understand Caribbean aviation. LIAT is a utlity like an inter-island bus service. Its routes are there as a socio econoimic service. Many routes will be serve dquite differently wedre a private carrier with a pure 100% profit motive took over. This is why LIAT is more important than Redjet and if RD gets ahand out LI will come demanding theirs too. I mean is there a need for 3X/day BGI GND outside of peak periods?

[Edited 2012-04-25 11:34:34]

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 111):
They have been told this often enough, but I guess are too busy building fantasy routes than to tend to the needs of the core matrket which is BGI/KIN/MIA/FLL/JFK/POS/GEO/GND

I believe YYZ should too be included to the list.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 112):

Most definitely. I might have edited it out in error before I posted.


User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11285 times:

The failure of CAL to "fully" support the JM brand, having done so in a half-hearted manner, is in large part responsible for the bleeding no doubt going on at CAL.

CAL was so "hot and heavy" in courting JM but then seemed to lose the passion once the cat was in the bag. JM deserves a lot better than that.

Fully supporting a brand means a lot more than just a fancy livery and use of a name in a flight announcement!


JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11259 times:

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 114):
The failure of CAL to "fully" support the JM brand, having done so in a half-hearted manner, is in large part responsible for the bleeding no doubt going on at CAL.

It's clear to see that CAL never wanted the JM brand in the first place. I don't know why people think that it was their idea to maintain it. If I remember correctly, maintaining the JM brand was the last thing added into the deal. Look at it this way, why would you want to maintain something that was your competition? To compete against yourself?



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11182 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):

Agreed, I think that the initial plan of moving towards one brand was should have been maintained. IIRC when Bruton was CEO that seemed to be the plan but Nichols in all of his wisdom decided to do this one airline two brands shit that really has been an utter mess and quite frankly a waste of resources.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 111):
The first CEO had a fantasy of POS being a hub and neglected the VFR market. I will never forget him trying to serve JFDK POS with only 1 daily flight, DURING CARNIVAL..also serving GEO.

First of all Peter Davies did not come up with this fantasy of POS being some hub. If you knew some of the background for the formation of Caribbean Airlines you would not be saying that. The Manning administration after taking control of BWIA commissioned SH&E to do 1) a current study of BWIA at the time 2003/4 and later 2) an analysis of BWIA with regards to what long term solutions to BWIA. When SH&E finished part 2, it gave the GROTT 3 options

Option 1
Re organize BWIA so that it can be profitable. This option was the lease expensive

Option 2
Shut down BWIA and allow the markets to provide the airlift needed for Trinidad and Tobago

Option3
Shut down BWIA and form a new carrier that would be fully capitalized i.e. starting with clean balance sheet. This was the most expensive option.


The Manning administration deemed that in order to maintain the type of airlift that POS needed there was a need for a national carrier. Furthermore this need was basically justified in the context of the Vision 2020 plan, the long term development plan for Trinidad and Tobago. This plan introduced by the PNM in 2002 and really influenced many of the initiatives that the PNM administration under took between 2002 -2010. A key part of that plan was the establishment of POS as a hub in the Caribbean for commerce. If you want an idea of how serious the PNM was about this plan and the strategic importance that was placed on a national carrier, not only did the administration decide to go with option 3 after 1 failed, but they even gave the new entity more capital than was requested.

So Davies did not come to region and cook up a fantasy of POS being a hub. He was merely facilitating one the main goals that the owners of Caribbean Airlines wished to achieve. A goal which has been somewhat achieved especially when you compare ASM from POS to major markets in North America from 2005/6 to present.

With regards to 1 flight during Carnival, again if you knew about the happenings at the time of the formation of Caribbean Airlines you would not be leveling this as a criticism of Davies. Especially given the following.
1) BWIA by 2006 had a declining share of the POS markets, in fact the charters where gaining more and more market share!

2) Understanding that there was a need to rebuild its customer based Caribbean started out small with the intention to grow. Where as BWIA had a fleet of 7 737s Caribbean had an initial operating fleet of just 5 (9Y-GND was returned to lessor GECAS and 9Y-GEO was subleased to Transavia returning to the fleet later in 2007 when the capacity for schedule escalation was needed. By December 2007 Caribbean was leasing aircraft from Transavia for the X-MAS Carnival season when the airline's market share was increasing!

3) Caribbean Airlines from it's launch to today stresses its on time performance. It decided that it was not going to do like BWIA in its latter days and operate a schedule that was barely covered by its fleet. Especially when maintenance was outsourced to DL in ATL. Even before Davies came to BWIA one of the very first things that was done at BWIA was to start the process of brining back in house maintenance facilities.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 114):

There seems to be this perception that Air Jamaica was some prized catch that attracted a lot of bidders and that Caribbean Airlines was lucky to get its hand on Air Jamaica. First of all Air Jamaica was no catch and the lofty requirements for possible suitors of JM were out of sync with the economic realities of the time. If that was not bad enough, the divestment process was so badly mismanaged that they were lucky to be bought at all. I mean when you even try to sell yourself to LI you know things bad.

When Caribbean agreed to take over Air Jamaica the initial plan was for the Air Jamaica brand to be retired. Long before it was made public I was told "the Trinidadians are in control they are going to move to one AOC". The last minute switch was done by this Coonoomoonoo- see definition here ex chairman that was installed by the current administration.


Regards
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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11181 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 116):

Excellent post! Very comprehensive........you really did the whole strategic plan for CAL justice.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 114):
The failure of CAL to "fully" support the JM brand, having done so in a half-hearted manner, is in large part responsible for the bleeding no doubt going on at CAL.

CAL was so "hot and heavy" in courting JM but then seemed to lose the passion once the cat was in the bag. JM deserves a lot better than that.

Fully supporting a brand means a lot more than just a fancy livery and use of a name in a flight announcement!


JMBWEEBOY

It seems people are failing to split the CAL pre-mid 2010 and post-mid 2010 cases. CAL (2007-mid 2010) had a very thought out plan for the integration of JM operations. I'm not privy to its details, but it included a comprehensive fleet renewal with various in-flight product improvements. These were just a couple of the very astute plans. However, the change in government squashed all of this with the politics involved. All those great plans went out the window with former chairman nicholas taking the reigns and putting London and widebodies as the priority in addition to his penchant for kickbacks from a Q400 deal. Nicholas only launched this diluted form of the JM brand to try and gain popularity. It had do depth to it whatsoever. He just forced this directive.

In a nutshell, CAL pre-mid 2010 AND CAL post mid-2010 are two distinctly different organizations management wise. Hence, all bets are off on my end concerning any criticism levelled at the airline for the mere reason that there is no sound leadership at the moment. The new GORTT has inflicted major political wounds on the carrier and it just cannot run its affairs as it should.

[Edited 2012-04-25 22:55:00]


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 115):
It's clear to see that CAL never wanted the JM brand in the first place. I don't know why people think that it was their idea to maintain it. If I remember correctly, maintaining the JM brand was the last thing added into the deal. Look at it this way, why would you want to maintain something that was your competition? To compete against yourself?

Agreed   

I think CAL would have been better off just letting Air J collapse, and if I remember correctly someone at the time(think it was Inbound) of the merger said either here or in the JA thread, that they didnt want Air J at all.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11072 times:

My latest photos on airliners.net are the following:



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My C-25 and my other C-32 photos were rejected unfortunately.

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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 119):

Nice pics CUR looks more like a mall than an airport from the angle of your pic.


User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 116):
Agreed, I think that the initial plan of moving towards one brand was should have been maintained. IIRC when Bruton was CEO that seemed to be the plan but Nichols in all of his wisdom decided to do this one airline two brands shit that really has been an utter mess and quite frankly a waste of resources.
Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):

The plan was to have the Air Jamaica logo on the original a/c like the current fleet, not an entirely different color scheme and the two brands one airline nonsense that somehow got by with Nicolas.
The mere fact was that the was a comprehensive plan for CAL and JM to merge by the last board lead by Lok Jack, and Brunton to reduce the cost between the two airlines.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 116):

Excellent post and nothing more to add nor take away.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 117):
In a nutshell, CAL pre-mid 2010 AND CAL post mid-2010 are two distinctly different organizations management wise. Hence, all bets are off on my end concerning any criticism levelled at the airline for the mere reason that there is no sound leadership at the moment. The new GORTT has inflicted major political wounds on the carrier and it just cannot run its affairs as it should.

     

Moonan confirms financial troubles at CAL
"The reports that I’ve gotten (indicate) there are problems with the finances which have come about to a very large extent because of the purchase of nine planes from French manufacturer, ATR. Some of the money, I understand, was used from the cash flow to make the down payment for two or three of the aircraft,” Moonan revealed. "
http://newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,159147.html

As I mentioned before and continue to note all the nonsense talk about KIN being unprofitable, and that it was stressing out CAL and such will now be put to rest. CAL is in financial trouble because the airline is using revenues to pay off its US$200m debt towards the delivery of ATR a/cs. I mentioned that the airline used all of its income last year trying to finance the a/cs because the Nicolas lead board could not get financing for them as the contractual time ran out.
Nicolas has cost the airline a lot of financial strain with his arrogant attitude, with the complicit action of the PM and the Minister of Transport.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11007 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 115):

The issue is that the POS based management never understood the Jamaican mentality. AS many Jcan posters on the other thread said over and over again...Jamaicans arent impressed by a "Caribbean" brand. They believe that Brand Jamaica is bigger than that. . Check out how often non Caribbean people define West Indians purely within a Jamaican context to see where such "arrogance" might come from.

As the Jcan posters said Eastern Carib people have always been in touch with each other and so have developed a pan Caribbean identity as an alternate to their national identities. Jamaicans,, isolated from the rest of the Anglophone Caribbean, never developed this so, aside from a few intellectuals and SOME Jcans who live overseas, arent excited by the "Caribbean" brand. The average Jcan doesnt encounter other West Indians except at UWI or when the migrate. This is especially true for those who live outside of Kingston.

Anyway the reality is CAL enjoys no more loyalty than the foreign carriers as most Jcans consider it just another foreign airline. This has been repeated often enough by Jamaicans who opught to know.

Given Jamaican attittudes and CALs resource limitations maybe they should have just confined their attention to their core POS/GEO market seeking growth within the EASTERN Caribbean. The Jcan posters predicted CALs challenges and right now everything that is happening to their KIN base was predicted. They helped out Golding who was able to find a political expedient way to close down AirJ, thus meeting the IMFs demands, without actually being blamed if CAL ultimately fails. I am 100% sure that the GofJ is doing nothing to help CALs KIN base.

[Edited 2012-04-26 13:01:43]

User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10937 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 86):
Their livery looks much better on the 737-500!!!

Yep, but I just don't know about the typeface or font used for Bahamasair...

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 109):
This nonsense about maintaining the JM brand must end. If Jamaicans wish to 'cut-off their nose to spite their face' then so be it, if its unsuccessful, leave, but give it one last shot in a sensible manner.
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 110):
Painting aircraft in JM colours didn't mean a thing.
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 115):
It's clear to see that CAL never wanted the JM brand in the first place.
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 121):
two brands one airline nonsense

Wow. I agree whole-heartedly with every one of the above comments; 'fess up, BW never wanted to keep the JM brand and, anyhow, the airlines are too small to maintain two brands. Stop the foolishness; make it all ONE airline and work on making it a better airline at that!


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10921 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 118):

"Air Jamaica" did collapse. Or more accurately CAL came into the market after theJcan govt let AJ collapse as AJ had no value so no one was going to spend $$$ to acquire it. The GofJa wanted to pretend that it didnt close down AJ.

They didnt acquire AJ or its operations. Faced with hostility from Jamaicans they tried to mitigate it with a Brand Jamaica but didnt follow thru so they have the worst of both worlds. Ignored by many Jamaicans (this is a fact as stated by Dennis Lalor who is a CAL Director) and wasting $$$ on a brand which isnt generating returns in the marketplace.So now its KIN oiperations are under review and measures have already been taken to further reduce costs and to downsize.

There could have been a way to do this while concentrating most overheads under one roof. So operationally it is one carrier but from the point of view of a Jamaican retaining enough of a feel of Brand Jamaica,

The reality is folks who fly Caribbean carriers do so for sentimental reasons, if they have a choice, which Jcans certainly do, even if Trinis and Guyanese dont. Look at how AA lashes BW on the POS MIA route Even if we subtarct people who use them intransit thru MIA I suspect they still remain the preferred carrier.. Those who lack a sentimental tie most often chose the foreign carrier. So to think that CAL would remain a lead carrier into JA without regard to some sentiment involved is pure fantasy.

Yes quality is important but we all know that all things being equal most Cbn people think foreign is better, unless they have a sense of sentiment. AA can be six hours late and BW 30 minutes and you know when the latter happens the howls, while tolerance for the former is astounding.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Is the BA LGW-ANU-SKB flight still operating or is it seasonal? I couldn't find it on any travel site or BA.


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10634 times:

[quote=bjorn14,reply=125 [/quote]


I checked the BA site LGW SKB still operates on Tu and Sat. Chjecked for June and November. They carry 8,300 pax annually so even if they scale back it should be good for at least the Sat flight. Plus it acts a sa filler for the LGW ANU sector, allowing higher LF on the LGW ANU sector, even if loads on the ANU SKB sector are low.

Its also heavily VFR (Kittitians, their British born offspring and English people married to or friends with these people) so yields ought to be decent. Also SKB doesnt appear to be hurt by the APD as the adverse impacts of this seem to eb offset by the increased interest in SKB by more upscale visitors now that there is direct scheduled service. Apparently Nevis attracts some pof these more upscale types.


User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

9Y-TTG in JM colors

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305641_3032550689332_1129840145_32071153_1591064112_n.jpg



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10550 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 127):

For some reason the ATR in both CAL and this new Air Jamaica livery don't look good i assume then KIN is not being scaled back then.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 127):

Not bad, kinda like it 



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

Saw a news headline on CANA News' website the other day indicating American Eagle pulling out of SLU by the end of August. Couldn't read the full article due to it being restricted, however a quick look on aa.com shows no flights after August 20.


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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 130):

AE is scheduled to end its SJU ops I believe.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Are there any ownership restrictions for an airline based in the CARICOMM?


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 131):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 130):

From Nov aside from the DR and the US/BVI, only SKB, ANU,DOM and the French Antilles will be serviced. Dont know what will happen in 2013.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 129):
Not bad, kinda like it

I kinda like it a lot just as I have grown to the new Air Jamaica livery now (at first it reminded me of the Pacific Air livery)!!! Will this ATR be flying to SXM too? I really hope the Air Jamaica livery will be kept for the coming years!!!

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 134):

CAL or BW has never flown their props further North than SLU but anything is possible.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10194 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 134):
I really hope the Air Jamaica livery will be kept for the coming years!!!

Don't keep your hopes up too high.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10186 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 135):
CAL or BW has never flown their props further North than SLU but anything is possible.

Ive always wondered why though, especially now with their odd timings into ANU from KIN and then onwards.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 136):
Don't keep your hopes up too high.

Yes well, if it doesnt last it just doesnt last, nice livery yes but if it goes we just have to move on and not cry about it. Same with the JA ops. But I must say this though, it really starting to get confusing now that this ATR is painted in the JM livery.



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User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

9Y-TTG in Jm colors looks great, even better than the 737-800. I hope I can fly her on a KIN-PAP route in the near future.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

I just spent an exciting 2 weeks in St Maarten, Saba, St Barth and Anguilla. I started uploading the photos, here are the first two, one of them hit top of the day on Friday:


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User currently offlinetime2lyme From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Oct 2008, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9811 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 127):
9Y-TTG in JM colors

Looks really good. definitely better than the 738.

Love the props  


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9717 times:

DFW-BGI-DFW will be discontinued on August 18. RIP


Does BW plan at any point to be able to their own widebody maintenance? Or more accurately when the airline was properly managed was there such a plan?

I know this would mean a new hangar facility but IIRC there is a lot of room for a hangar big enough to house at least a 777 if not bigger at POS.

Regards
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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 127):

Looks great in JM colors..... much better than cal's.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

St. Johns Antigua, LI BoD announced the resignation of Acting CEO Brian Challenger effective the end of June 2012 and the appointment of CFO, Julie Reifer-Jones as interim CEO.

LIAT Board of Directors announces the resignation of CEO

Best of luck to LI in finding a CEO to fill the post.


Regards
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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 139):

Great shots!  thanks for sharing

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 143):

Hope they find a new CEO soon



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

Just found this photo posted by A.net on facebook:


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Anyone knows why it was in SXM?



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9770 posts, RR: 11
Reply 146, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 145):
Anyone knows why it was in SXM?

It was doing a flight for Air France what I understood. Nice exotic bird to have so far away from home.

A388


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 147, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9524 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 102):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 99):

Why does a 1X/week flight require "millions of dollars (even if they mean Bajan dollars)"? While I can see Bdos being obligated to help support the route while its establishing itself ought not AA also assume some risk? We arent talking about tiny destinations like SKB or GND or worse yet TAB.

Three flights a week mostly. It was only just reduced to weekly. It required it because Barbados was willing to give pay for the flight so AA didn't take any losses. This was a huge risk - there is very little Barbados traffic outside of the Eastern time zone. AA was not willing to take on any losses, the government essentially covered it all.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 146):
It was doing a flight for Air France what I understood. Nice exotic bird to have so far away from home.

Yes, I realized this after reading this thread:
TN At SXM (by ordjoe Apr 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Nice to see a exotic airline in the Caribbean 



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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9407 times:




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User currently onlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 145):

I believe its because of some slack they are operating a chartered flight from France.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 143):
Best of luck to LI in finding a CEO to fill the post.
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 144):
Hope they find a new CEO soon

Hopefully they find one very soon.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 141):
Does BW plan at any point to be able to their own widebody maintenance? Or more accurately when the airline was properly managed was there such a plan?

I know this would mean a new hangar facility but IIRC there is a lot of room for a hangar big enough to house at least a 777 if not bigger at POS.

The facilities in POS were built to hold widebody a/cs from the 80's, so a/c such as the 777 A330 and A340 cannot fit there fully. The facilities are to be upgraded but to meet new FAA mandates such as doors, so spotters may no long be able to see a/cs under checks anymore.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9397 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
The facilities in POS were built to hold widebody a/cs from the 80's

The 747 was never able to fit in those hangars

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 149):
caribbean484

Nice pics still wish it was a A330 or 777


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

The 767 seems a bit dull in CAL livery good luck to CAL with their 767's. Too bad DFW-BGI did not work I think the government would have been better off trying for ORD-BGI for the winter season.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 149):

Nice Pics, thanks for sharing 



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 149):

Looks pretty good, I hope they put the humming bird wings on the winglets.

BW526 was pretty smooth on Sunday night. Departed GEO 11:30 PM and we were #1 for take off (LOL). Omni did a great job, all in all, my checkin took all of 5 minutes, and I got a bulkhead seat. The interior of the Omni 762 was in excellent condition, with individual IFE's although I could not get mine to work, but since it was a redeye I slept anyway. The flight was packed.

Seems as though my woes at POS were not individual to me:

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/opi...staff-at-piarco-behaved-callously/

The writer of this letter is above board, I know her, she attended high school with me.

Seems as though EZjet is doing well. This checkin thing seems like a farce to me, as every other airline departs ontime at GEO, it's either they don't know what they're doing or there is some other problem:

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...ncountering-delays-at-checking-in/

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

Well BW announced a return to BGI twice weekly from 30 June 2012.

http://www.caribbean-airlines.com/in...rbados-and-london-to-begin-30-june


Best of luck to Caribbean


Regards
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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 155):

Tuesday seems an odd day but will be nice seeing CAL 767 in BGI


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9166 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 155):
Well BW announced a return to BGI twice weekly from 30 June 2012.

I am beginning to think that BW has gotten ahold of a DL style dartboard.

Seems like they are gonna try LGW to every possibility in the Caribbean and see what works.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 157):
Seems like they are gonna try LGW to every possibility in the Caribbean and see what works.

POS-SXM-LGW may sound interesting.. Someone already flying scheduled between LON and SXM?



I'm not on CM's payroll.