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How Big Of A Hub Is DEN For UA?  
User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 667 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7744 times:
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So I was at DEN a few days ago and noticed a substantial amount of operations. However, there were times in which UA's operations were rather quiet and minumum. I did some research and noticed that UA has about 3 complete banks, meaning, they serve most of their destinations during those three time periods throughout the day. They have smaller banks but are not that big. So it also came to my attention, how much connecting traffic is there with SFO and LAX nearby??


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

According to some sources I think DEN and EWR rotate for UA's third biggest hub. However at this point it might be EWR.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

This summer, DEN will be UA's fourth-biggest hub by number of departures. On the example day I looked at (June 21), there are 429 scheduled departures. Here's the break-out of equipment types:

EM2: 7
ER4: 67
CRJ: 117
CR7: 70
E70: 23
319: 22
320: 46
735: 2
73G: 5
738: 13
739: 16
752: 35
753: 3
763: 2
777: 1

There are certainly less mainline and less widebody aircraft than there have been in the last few years. The hub took a pretty large hit with the retirement of UA's 735s and 733s a few years ago, and then it's been in a state of shrinkage ever since WN exploded (prime example of UA backing off from WN is DEN-PHX, which will not have any mainline this summer). Also, since the merger the number of widebody departures has fallen dramatically. However, this was expected since DEN is essentially a domestic hub.

DEN is still a key hub for UA, especially for serving the Mountain West and the Great Plains. Looking at the Great Plains, it's notable that the only remaining UA mainline service at OKC, TUL, ICT, DSM, and MCI is from DEN. Also, some smaller markets like FSD and BIL still get daily mainline service from DEN.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

DEN is deceiving amongst all the hubs in this country because it's so spacious. You never get the feel that it's too busy, but it is. I connected thru there in late Feb, on a Sunday around lunch time (prime ski season), and it was probably the busiest I've seen it. It's always fun to connect thru DEN. I just wish they had better food options  

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3493 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.

Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.


User currently offlineSplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

UA could definitely use more mainline trips there, 'nuf said  

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
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Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.

Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.

And you truly don't get DEN. If you're changing from Pierre SD to Albuquerque NM or from EL Paso TX to Billings MT, you don't use 753s. And the low-level CRJ/ERJ gates are hopping all day long -- separate from the banks upstairs.

Plus those poor folks have some truly pathetic food choices.

[Edited 2012-04-15 08:15:51]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):

Plus those poor folks have some truly pathetic food choices.

I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking. Subway and Burger King and not much else. There's plenty of opportunity to redevelop parts of the main terminal to include shops and more sit down vs. fast food type of restaurants. MCO is a great example of good offerings of food and shopping.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
According to some sources I think DEN and EWR rotate for UA's third biggest hub. However at this point it might be EWR.

EWR handles about 70 more mainline flights per day.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.

Until the majors can come to an agreement on a pay scale for a C-series or ERJ-190 sized aircraft both sides would be happy about this trend will continue. If the Q400s continue on with UA one of the places they should look to expand their flying is Denver.



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User currently offlinemm320cap From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 227 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

While I won't comment on the RJ cancer, one of my absolute favorite places to eat in the system is Heidi's Deli down in the RJ bowels at DIA. HIGHLY recommend the sandwiches there

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

Quoting mm320cap (Reply 8):
While I won't comment on the RJ cancer, one of my absolute favorite places to eat in the system is Heidi's Deli down in the RJ bowels at DIA. HIGHLY recommend the sandwiches there

Which part counts as the „RJ bowels“ It's not like IAD where most RJs are packed into Lower A.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5810 times:
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Quoting LOWS (Reply 9):
It's not like IAD where most RJs are packed into Lower A.

Except for a few of the IAH 145XRs and CR7s and maybe a few of the EWR Q400s and maybe a few of the Porter Q400s and maybe . . . .

[Edited 2012-04-15 09:38:00]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5728 times:
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Quoting LOWS (Reply 9):
Which part counts as the „RJ bowels“

Why . . . they are gates 80 to 95, of course. Everybody knows that.

However there are new, expanded CRJ/ERJ gates 55 to 79 (a long, narrow quonset-hut-type structure) which meet upstairs and then elevator down to the doors since there is no waiting room at those doors.

[Edited 2012-04-15 09:40:20]

User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):


Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.

Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.

Why is this a disgrace? Regional operators are in fact actual airlines with actual people that work for them. Without them there wouldn't be nearly as many cities served and not nearly as many flight options as there are today.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.

NS


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5211 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking. Subway and Burger King and not much else.

Concourse A has good food options


User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5191 times:

There was a time thru the 80's and 90's that DEN saw quite a few DC8's and DC 10's doing their jobs on many trunk routes. There also was a time when DEN had a number of 727's from the great lakes areas such as FWA/ SBN , TOL, GRR i believe and a few others. Now from those places? Mostly nada. There ought to be a way for UA to go back and capture some of that traffic. Why not??

User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5145 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 15):
There was a time thru the 80's and 90's that DEN saw quite a few DC8's and DC 10's doing their jobs on many trunk routes. There also was a time when DEN had a number of 727's from the great lakes areas such as FWA/ SBN , TOL, GRR i believe and a few others. Now from those places? Mostly nada. There ought to be a way for UA to go back and capture some of that traffic. Why not??

The DEN to FWA, SBN, and TOL flights were started in about 1980 when Edward Carlson decided that United would fly few trips under 300 miles. Service from those cities to ORD was discontinued and DEN flights with 727's and 737's were started. The experiment failed and the flights didn't last long. At the same time, ORD service to MLI ended, but MLI kept DEN mainline until 1992 or 1993. In the 70's MLI had three 727's to DEN Nonstop per day, as did CID, and DSM had four or five. The majority of flights to ORD were DC-10's. There was mainline nonstop service to SEA,PDX, BOI, EUG, SFO, OAK, SJC, SMF, SLC, GJT, LAS, LAX, LNK, OMA, DSM, MKE, MLI, CID, ORD, JFK, LGA, DTW, CLE, IAD/BAL. Deregulation brought mainline service to PHX, TUC, TUL, OKC, PIA, SUX, FSD, RAP, MSP, MSN, ATL, DFW, IAH, AUS, SAT, ELP, ABQ, COS, FAT, MRY, SAN, HNL, as well as some other cities. Things have changed.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5134 times:

UA use to operate quite a few widebodies. Now it is extremely few and after summer I think HNL gets reduced to a 757

DEN is still very important to ua as a domestic transfer hub but ua seems unwilling to try international flying out of denver. UA has reduced the number of seats out of denver by sending smaller planes there. Who can blame them its low fare heaven unfortunately many routes see four and five carriers competing on a route killing yields. If you need last minute fares often den is king because of all the competition. People often get SLC-den-ATL or lax-den-EWR for example as two one ways tons cheaper than connecting anywhere else last minute. Denver is by far the lowest average fare hub in the country now that frontier has dehubbed MKE not the best start for airlines but awesome for denver o&d customers


User currently offlinedenverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Not sure what kind of food options people are looking for, but I've never had a problem finding what I want. Maybe people aren't willing to check out other concourses. Because it's broken up into three concourses, I'm sure that has an effect on what can be offered food wise. I would usually usually go for a quiznos sandwich--depends on how much time I have. Not usually a sit down in a restaurant type of person myself. I don't travel enough I suppose to see the differences between airports, but are people looking for some sort of Italian fine dining, or Olive Garden? Compared to other places, I've also had to settle for McD's or an apple from the small convenience stand. I'm not sure people will hop back from the concourse to the terminal for better eats, even if they change the terminal to a secure zone. Maybe they'll bring some better stuff in soon.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Yeah, honestly I find the options sufficient, definitely not palatial. There's several eateries in the center of B, and a few bar and grills scattered throughout.

S


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting denverdanny (Reply 18):

Not sure what kind of food options people are looking for, but I've never had a problem finding what I want.

Exactly! Heck, I had a hard time finding a decent place to eat at IAH on Friday, Subway was the only option (Gate C44 area), not to mention all the walking involved between security and the gate.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
The hub took a pretty large hit with the retirement of UA's 735s and 733s a few years ago, and then it's been in a state of shrinkage ever since WN exploded

And in came the RJs....

Quoting gigneil (Reply 13):
I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.

Hopefully UA's growing fleet of 737NGs will result in the DEN hub regaining what was lost to UAX.


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 20):
Exactly! Heck, I had a hard time finding a decent place to eat at IAH on Friday, Subway was the only option (Gate C44 area), not to mention all the walking involved between security and the gate.

There is a really good sandwich place in C but not far from D, as I recall.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
Yeah, honestly I find the options sufficient, definitely not palatial. There's several eateries in the center of B, and a few bar and grills scattered throughout.

There are some good options in A, not far from the LH gate.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 13):
I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.

Would be nice to see, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high. Since the merger there have actually been a few cuts, and there will be fewer mainline flights this summer than last.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):

Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.

Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.

It's called COMPETITION. This isn't Soviet Russia. Besides, most of the time awards are given to someone who is NOT the lowest bidder, but I bet you have zero experience in procurement and outsourcing. That would explain your attitude.


25 Tan Flyr : Miles..good Morning! That service was what remained of mainline service for a number of those cities from April of 1980 as I recall (living in FWA) t
26 point2point : WOW! IIRC, there were about 440 or so total operations between UA and CO before the merger. Maybe the seat count has been reduced, but in terms of de
27 Caspian27 : I'd love to work at mainline...Too bad they gave up scope, or maybe this industry wouldn't be what it is today. It is disgraceful, I agree. But also
28 ADent : Where did you go? There are food choices, but if you want sit down they tend to be upstairs or further out - not at the main, center hub area. I thin
29 gigneil : Yeah the time for main terminal concessions is long past, imho. People want to get in and not take chances. NS
30 FSDan : Most of the cuts have been implemented by switching mainline jets with RJs and by moving widebodies away. As you pointed out, there haven't been any
31 kgaiflyer : And all USAirways CRJs depart from the Z gates, and all Air Canada Jazz CRJs depart the C gates, and all DL/Comair CRJs depart the B gates . . . and
32 fxramper : DEN is the step child of the new UA. Let WN have it.
33 StressedOut : I think UA will start picking up traffic in DEN. As an individual who flies out of DEN a lot, I am looking at using UA more and more. The merger has o
34 panam330 : Just what they need on a high volume, low fare route - high CASM aircraft! More seriously, they must be doing some killer yield management to make th
35 point2point : Why? And cede just about half of the geography of the country to DL and others? And where are the going to move some 400+ flights per day? With all o
36 Post contains images MountainFlyer : To answer the question in the thread title, I don't think it matters how "big" DEN is for UA. Even if it shrinks compared to some of the other UA hub
37 gigneil : You're as wrong as you are fat. IAH is a piss poor western hub. NS
38 manny : I am surprised people are complaining about food options. Infact of all the airports i have been through around the country Denver has some of the bes
39 TOMMY767 : Completely wrong. That's CLE. This place ROCKS! I guess some people don't appreciate good beer and food. They need to have their greasy breakfast san
40 Post contains images kgaiflyer : *Always* a line to get in. Maybe some day when I have 3 hours between flights.
41 Post contains images kgaiflyer : And the more costly (but still satisfying) Paradise Cafe right over top of it in the Mezzanine.
42 TOMMY767 : What? I've been there twice during peak times and I got a seat immediately.
43 Post contains links STT757 : I miss Maui Tacos at Terminal C at EWR, had one before flying to in 2008. Also the Garden State Diner is awesome, they used to have a hand written le
44 slcdeltarumd11 : I agree i find the food to be terrible at DEN but it is a fantastic airport to connect thru. I fly in/out and connect thru denver quite often so its n
45 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop trying. But obviously, my connecting flights always arrive at the wrong times.
46 lightsaber : That was my thought. 5 years ago, DEN was the #1 place I was likely to hub. I hope the connections are not too watered down with WN. Never have I hub
47 UA777lover : I have flown through Denver numerous times, every time I fly home to yxe or yqr it is through Denver. I hate the rj with seats that I hit my head ever
48 N1120A : I don't think the issue is with the number of variety of food offerings, but the opening hours of everything. If you are on the PMCO United red-eye t
49 CODC10 : Que Bueno at B58... you'll thank me tomorrow!
50 Post contains images TOMMY767 : You should definitely check it out. The food is really good too IAH falls among the ranks of just a boring large hub. I think it's safe to say that A
51 Post contains links and images point2point : From the latest airport stats released by DEN for Jan 12, UA (plus UAX) accounted for 41% of the domestic market share, and they based this on - 'land
52 gigneil : I will say that IAH has an interesting variety of foods... and the fat people to go with them. NS
53 CODC10 : IAH has a more diverse network of international destinations and carriers than DFW, though. What goes into a hub's "personality"?
54 Post contains images kgaiflyer : We had a flap in another thread when someone harshly critiqued the blue-points-on-half-shell at Pappadeaux' and nearly got death threats. So let's ju
55 manny : Maybe you been unlucky. I get a seat almost immediately. Good service. Terminal B has a ton of options. There's a Paradise Cafe as well.
56 drerx7 : How do you figure? IAH has more international variety for spotters than either ATL or DFW...
57 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Trust me -- IAH Terminal "B" has personality it doesn't even need (*cough, cough* gates 84-A to T )
58 kgaiflyer : Yes, of course. For whatever reason, travelers completely miss the Mezzanine above the train stop.
59 Post contains images ScottB : If there were a meaningful market for domestic premium seats, that might be possible, but the vast majority of premium seats on domestic flights are
60 TOMMY767 : That particular train runs every 60 seconds. It's a great system. You have the option to walk or train in the underground. IAH doesn't have DFW's ter
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