avi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 492 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6636 times:
So I was at DEN a few days ago and noticed a substantial amount of operations. However, there were times in which UA's operations were rather quiet and minumum. I did some research and noticed that UA has about 3 complete banks, meaning, they serve most of their destinations during those three time periods throughout the day. They have smaller banks but are not that big. So it also came to my attention, how much connecting traffic is there with SFO and LAX nearby??
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6191 times:
This summer, DEN will be UA's fourth-biggest hub by number of departures. On the example day I looked at (June 21), there are 429 scheduled departures. Here's the break-out of equipment types:
There are certainly less mainline and less widebody aircraft than there have been in the last few years. The hub took a pretty large hit with the retirement of UA's 735s and 733s a few years ago, and then it's been in a state of shrinkage ever since WN exploded (prime example of UA backing off from WN is DEN-PHX, which will not have any mainline this summer). Also, since the merger the number of widebody departures has fallen dramatically. However, this was expected since DEN is essentially a domestic hub.
DEN is still a key hub for UA, especially for serving the Mountain West and the Great Plains. Looking at the Great Plains, it's notable that the only remaining UA mainline service at OKC, TUL, ICT, DSM, and MCI is from DEN. Also, some smaller markets like FSD and BIL still get daily mainline service from DEN.
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6868 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5565 times:
DEN is deceiving amongst all the hubs in this country because it's so spacious. You never get the feel that it's too busy, but it is. I connected thru there in late Feb, on a Sunday around lunch time (prime ski season), and it was probably the busiest I've seen it. It's always fun to connect thru DEN. I just wish they had better food options
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3640 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5342 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4): Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.
Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.
And you truly don't get DEN. If you're changing from Pierre SD to Albuquerque NM or from EL Paso TX to Billings MT, you don't use 753s. And the low-level CRJ/ERJ gates are hopping all day long -- separate from the banks upstairs.
Plus those poor folks have some truly pathetic food choices.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5278 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
Plus those poor folks have some truly pathetic food choices.
I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking. Subway and Burger King and not much else. There's plenty of opportunity to redevelop parts of the main terminal to include shops and more sit down vs. fast food type of restaurants. MCO is a great example of good offerings of food and shopping.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1): According to some sources I think DEN and EWR rotate for UA's third biggest hub. However at this point it might be EWR.
EWR handles about 70 more mainline flights per day.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4): Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.
Until the majors can come to an agreement on a pay scale for a C-series or ERJ-190 sized aircraft both sides would be happy about this trend will continue. If the Q400s continue on with UA one of the places they should look to expand their flying is Denver.
mm320cap From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 211 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4964 times:
While I won't comment on the RJ cancer, one of my absolute favorite places to eat in the system is Heidi's Deli down in the RJ bowels at DIA. HIGHLY recommend the sandwiches there
LOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 981 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4947 times:
Quoting mm320cap (Reply 8): While I won't comment on the RJ cancer, one of my absolute favorite places to eat in the system is Heidi's Deli down in the RJ bowels at DIA. HIGHLY recommend the sandwiches there
Which part counts as the „RJ bowels“ It's not like IAD where most RJs are packed into Lower A.
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3640 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
Quoting LOWS (Reply 9): Which part counts as the „RJ bowels“
Why . . . they are gates 80 to 95, of course. Everybody knows that.
However there are new, expanded CRJ/ERJ gates 55 to 79 (a long, narrow quonset-hut-type structure) which meet upstairs and then elevator down to the doors since there is no waiting room at those doors.
Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.
Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.
Why is this a disgrace? Regional operators are in fact actual airlines with actual people that work for them. Without them there wouldn't be nearly as many cities served and not nearly as many flight options as there are today.
"He waited his whole damn life to take that flight. And as the plane crashed down he thought 'Well isn't this nice...'"
bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1356 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4103 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking. Subway and Burger King and not much else.
Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4083 times:
There was a time thru the 80's and 90's that DEN saw quite a few DC8's and DC 10's doing their jobs on many trunk routes. There also was a time when DEN had a number of 727's from the great lakes areas such as FWA/ SBN , TOL, GRR i believe and a few others. Now from those places? Mostly nada. There ought to be a way for UA to go back and capture some of that traffic. Why not??
milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1855 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4037 times:
Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 15): There was a time thru the 80's and 90's that DEN saw quite a few DC8's and DC 10's doing their jobs on many trunk routes. There also was a time when DEN had a number of 727's from the great lakes areas such as FWA/ SBN , TOL, GRR i believe and a few others. Now from those places? Mostly nada. There ought to be a way for UA to go back and capture some of that traffic. Why not??
The DEN to FWA, SBN, and TOL flights were started in about 1980 when Edward Carlson decided that United would fly few trips under 300 miles. Service from those cities to ORD was discontinued and DEN flights with 727's and 737's were started. The experiment failed and the flights didn't last long. At the same time, ORD service to MLI ended, but MLI kept DEN mainline until 1992 or 1993. In the 70's MLI had three 727's to DEN Nonstop per day, as did CID, and DSM had four or five. The majority of flights to ORD were DC-10's. There was mainline nonstop service to SEA,PDX, BOI, EUG, SFO, OAK, SJC, SMF, SLC, GJT, LAS, LAX, LNK, OMA, DSM, MKE, MLI, CID, ORD, JFK, LGA, DTW, CLE, IAD/BAL. Deregulation brought mainline service to PHX, TUC, TUL, OKC, PIA, SUX, FSD, RAP, MSP, MSN, ATL, DFW, IAH, AUS, SAT, ELP, ABQ, COS, FAT, MRY, SAN, HNL, as well as some other cities. Things have changed.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
UA use to operate quite a few widebodies. Now it is extremely few and after summer I think HNL gets reduced to a 757
DEN is still very important to ua as a domestic transfer hub but ua seems unwilling to try international flying out of denver. UA has reduced the number of seats out of denver by sending smaller planes there. Who can blame them its low fare heaven unfortunately many routes see four and five carriers competing on a route killing yields. If you need last minute fares often den is king because of all the competition. People often get SLC-den-ATL or lax-den-EWR for example as two one ways tons cheaper than connecting anywhere else last minute. Denver is by far the lowest average fare hub in the country now that frontier has dehubbed MKE not the best start for airlines but awesome for denver o&d customers
denverdanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3890 times:
Not sure what kind of food options people are looking for, but I've never had a problem finding what I want. Maybe people aren't willing to check out other concourses. Because it's broken up into three concourses, I'm sure that has an effect on what can be offered food wise. I would usually usually go for a quiznos sandwich--depends on how much time I have. Not usually a sit down in a restaurant type of person myself. I don't travel enough I suppose to see the differences between airports, but are people looking for some sort of Italian fine dining, or Olive Garden? Compared to other places, I've also had to settle for McD's or an apple from the small convenience stand. I'm not sure people will hop back from the concourse to the terminal for better eats, even if they change the terminal to a secure zone. Maybe they'll bring some better stuff in soon.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
Yeah, honestly I find the options sufficient, definitely not palatial. There's several eateries in the center of B, and a few bar and grills scattered throughout.
AA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
Quoting denverdanny (Reply 18):
Not sure what kind of food options people are looking for, but I've never had a problem finding what I want.
Exactly! Heck, I had a hard time finding a decent place to eat at IAH on Friday, Subway was the only option (Gate C44 area), not to mention all the walking involved between security and the gate.
Schweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 494 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3758 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2): The hub took a pretty large hit with the retirement of UA's 735s and 733s a few years ago, and then it's been in a state of shrinkage ever since WN exploded
And in came the RJs....
Quoting gigneil (Reply 13): I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.
Hopefully UA's growing fleet of 737NGs will result in the DEN hub regaining what was lost to UAX.
LOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 981 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 20): Exactly! Heck, I had a hard time finding a decent place to eat at IAH on Friday, Subway was the only option (Gate C44 area), not to mention all the walking involved between security and the gate.
There is a really good sandwich place in C but not far from D, as I recall.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 19): Yeah, honestly I find the options sufficient, definitely not palatial. There's several eateries in the center of B, and a few bar and grills scattered throughout.
There are some good options in A, not far from the LH gate.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 13): I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.
Would be nice to see, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high. Since the merger there have actually been a few cuts, and there will be fewer mainline flights this summer than last.
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
rdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1059 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3495 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.
Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.
It's called COMPETITION. This isn't Soviet Russia. Besides, most of the time awards are given to someone who is NOT the lowest bidder, but I bet you have zero experience in procurement and outsourcing. That would explain your attitude.
Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3564 times:
Quoting milesrich (Reply 16): The DEN to FWA, SBN, and TOL flights were started in about 1980 when Edward Carlson decided that United would fly few trips under 300 miles. Service from those cities to ORD was discontinued and DEN flights with 727's and 737's were started. The experiment failed and the flights didn't last long.
Miles..good Morning! That service was what remained of mainline service for a number of those cities from April of 1980 as I recall (living in FWA) to maybe sometime in either late 81 or early 82.
Departed flights confirms my memory of 727-022 service for a number of years prior to that out of FWA (presumably others also) . For 6-11-76 departed flights shoes UA 777 departing FWA at 730A with a quick stop in SBN then to DEN. At that time that flight continues on to BOI.
I recall some friends took that flight when it was a real milk run FWA-SBN-DEN-BOI-GEG-SEA. The rode her all teh way to SEA..they didn't like changing planes..I really think he liked more t/o & landings!
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1958 posts, RR: 1 Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2): there are 429 scheduled departures
WOW! IIRC, there were about 440 or so total operations between UA and CO before the merger. Maybe the seat count has been reduced, but in terms of destinations and really number of flights, looks like all not that much was lost. Also, I think that OAK has been the only destination cut, while DAL, AMA, LBB, FAI and maybe a couple of others were added. I thought that much more was reduced here since the merger.
There's still a few cities/destinations that DEN can support n/s mainline solely with O&D that are currently not being offered, including BUF, ALB, RIC, PBI, and maybe a few others if even seasonaly, so UA (or anyone else) still have a few spots domestically that can be added. As for internationally, it looks UA has shown that it's pretty much unlikely, even though there may be a few sweet spots there as well.
Caspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 359 posts, RR: 2 Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3437 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Wow! Look at that break down. So many outsourced jobs given to the lowest bidder.
Truly a disgrace what has happened to this industry.
I'd love to work at mainline...Too bad they gave up scope, or maybe this industry wouldn't be what it is today. It is disgraceful, I agree. But also disgraceful that we as pilots did this to ourselves.
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 1 Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking. Subway and Burger King and not much else. There's plenty of opportunity to redevelop parts of the main terminal to include shops and more sit down vs. fast food type of restaurants. MCO is a great example of good offerings of food and shopping.
Where did you go? There are food choices, but if you want sit down they tend to be upstairs or further out - not at the main, center hub area. I think there are 5 sit down places on just the B concourse.
Also not many people hang out in the main terminal. I want to get thru security and if there is extra time - then eat out on the concourse. I guess people who park and come into the terminal and waiting to pick some up would hang out in the main terminal.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 26): Maybe the seat count has been reduced, but in terms of destinations and really number of flights, looks like all not that much was lost.
Most of the cuts have been implemented by switching mainline jets with RJs and by moving widebodies away. As you pointed out, there haven't been any meaningful destination cuts.
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3640 posts, RR: 1 Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3116 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10): Quoting LOWS (Reply 9):
It's not like IAD where most RJs are packed into Lower A.
Except for a few of the IAH 145XRs and CR7s and maybe a few of the EWR Q400s and maybe a few of the Porter Q400s and maybe . . . .
And all USAirways CRJs depart from the Z gates, and all Air Canada Jazz CRJs depart the C gates, and all DL/Comair CRJs depart the B gates . . . and so on, and so on.
StressedOut From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3065 times:
I think UA will start picking up traffic in DEN. As an individual who flies out of DEN a lot, I am looking at using UA more and more. The merger has opened up new routes and as they renew their fleet they will become much more attractive to me.
panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2): (prime example of UA backing off from WN is DEN-PHX, which will not have any mainline this summer)
Just what they need on a high volume, low fare route - high CASM aircraft! More seriously, they must be doing some killer yield management to make the CR7 work on a route like that. Send the low fares through IAH/ORD or on US, and take the higher fares and send them through DEN.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1958 posts, RR: 1 Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 32):
DEN is the step child of the new UA. Let WN have it.
Why?
And cede just about half of the geography of the country to DL and others? And where are the going to move some 400+ flights per day? With all of UA's profits, it's hard to imagine that they can't make $$$$$ to/from DEN, since they're really the only hub airline there with first class/premium.
Even if it is the step-child, DEN so far seems to be very well served by UA.
MountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 363 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
DEN is the step child of the new UA. Let WN have it.
Why?
And cede just about half of the geography of the country to DL and others?
To answer the question in the thread title, I don't think it matters how "big" DEN is for UA. Even if it shrinks compared to some of the other UA hubs, it is a vital hub that will never go away IMHO. Without it, UA would be throwing in the towel on a very large portion of the US that while it is not necessarily highly populated, it is also largely lacking other competitors besides DL. If UA dropped DEN as a hub, DL would own most of central U.S., central Canada, and even the Northwest to some degree.
DEN is to UA what SLC is to DL. Not even close to the largest, but very important.
manny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
I am surprised people are complaining about food options. Infact of all the airports i have been through around the country Denver has some of the best selections for every budget. There are ton of fast food to sit down and have a great meal options.
I travel mostly through B gates and A gates. Some of favorites being
Terminal A
Chef Jimmys Bistro & Spirits.
Denver Chophouse. Inlcudes some of the best home brewed beer and good food offerings.
Terminal B
New Belgium Hub ( again some of the best Colorado based craft brews)
Wolfgang Puck
Por La France.
I have not been to Terminal C in a few years. But there is a Rock Bottom Brewery there from what I hear. Not great but again you get good brews and decent food.
New Belgium Hub ( again some of the best Colorado based craft brews)
This place ROCKS! I guess some people don't appreciate good beer and food. They need to have their greasy breakfast sandwich at 9pm at night before departing Terminal C at EWR.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 39): They need to have their greasy breakfast sandwich at 9pm at night before departing Terminal C at EWR.
I miss Maui Tacos at Terminal C at EWR, had one before flying to in 2008. Also the Garden State Diner is awesome, they used to have a hand written letter from former President George H.W. Bush who praised their omlettes which hung in the window. Not sure if it's still there.
CO/UA has Westfield running their concessions at EWR Terminal C;
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
I agree i find the food to be terrible at DEN but it is a fantastic airport to connect thru. I fly in/out and connect thru denver quite often so its not a lack of knowledge of where to go im sure ive ate at everyplace. The sit down options have some surprisingly bad food and random delays and waits that are not acceptable for an airport. I have always found the food options to stink at DEN but overall as i said its a fantastic place to transfer as long as you dont mind turbulance
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10649 posts, RR: 100 Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 35): And cede just about half of the geography of the country to DL and others? And where are the going to move some 400+ flights per day?
That was my thought. 5 years ago, DEN was the #1 place I was likely to hub. I hope the connections are not too watered down with WN.
UA777lover From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
I have flown through Denver numerous times, every time I fly home to yxe or yqr it is through Denver. I hate the rj with seats that I hit my head every time I stand up. Oh yeah, the steak n shake on the b concourse was possibly the worst I have ever tasted.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): I traveled through DEN for the first time last June, gorgeous facility but the food offerings are truly lacking.
I don't think the issue is with the number of variety of food offerings, but the opening hours of everything. If you are on the PMCO United red-eye to EWR, you are stuck with a snack box from the Hudson News, because everything closes at like 930. This includes the RCC/UCs. They should keep those open till the last flight boards.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7): Until the majors can come to an agreement on a pay scale for a C-series or ERJ-190 sized aircraft both sides would be happy about this trend will continue.
UA's pilots offered to fly E190s for B6 rates. Its United's fault we don't have that.
Quoting LOWS (Reply 9): Which part counts as the „RJ bowels“
That unheated, crowded bit down at the end of the concourse. Not the tin can concourse that boards from upstairs, but the area opposite it.
Quoting LOWS (Reply 9): It's not like IAD where most RJs are packed into Lower A.
Yeah, A Hell is pretty awful as well.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 13): I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.
The premature 737 dump hurt DEN and the rest of the system, so hopefully we see more now.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):
Yeah the time for main terminal concessions is long past, imho. People want to get in and not take chances.
Especially with the CO boarding system taking so much longer. That said, main terminal concessions saw a bit of a renaissance when all terminals went sterile after 9/11.
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TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 45):
Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop trying. But obviously, my connecting flights always arrive at the wrong times.
You should definitely check it out. The food is really good too
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 46): Never have I hubbed there. I've hubbed at DFW, DEN, CLE, ATL, SEA, MCO, JFK, EWR, IAD, and MIA. Somehow IAH never makes the chart.
IAH falls among the ranks of just a boring large hub. I think it's safe to say that ATL and DFW have a bit more personality.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1958 posts, RR: 1 Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1449 times:
From the latest airport stats released by DEN for Jan 12, UA (plus UAX) accounted for 41% of the domestic market share, and they based this on - 'landing fees'
Seems a unique way to measure the carriers. Second was WN at 24%, and third was F9 at 22%.
Then came DL at 5%, both US and AA at 3%, and the others in total at 2%.
So here, UA is slightly less than twice as large as both WN and F9.
And with that, UA controls about 77% of the premium fare seats at DEN. So strictly in terms of the premium seats offered, I think that we could say that in this sense UA can consider DEN a fortress hub? Gotta have some advantage in this somewhere, given that one airline news site (CAPA) recently ranked DEN as having the most LLC seats available of any airport in the world.
It's still puzzling that they won't offer a few long-haul international flights?
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2166 posts, RR: 8 Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1434 times:
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 50): IAH falls among the ranks of just a boring large hub. I think it's safe to say that ATL and DFW have a bit more personality.
IAH has a more diverse network of international destinations and carriers than DFW, though. What goes into a hub's "personality"?
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 1185 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 51): And with that, UA controls about 77% of the premium fare seats at DEN. So strictly in terms of the premium seats offered, I think that we could say that in this sense UA can consider DEN a fortress hub?
If there were a meaningful market for domestic premium seats, that might be possible, but the vast majority of premium seats on domestic flights are filled by upgrades or non-revs. Some high-level elites (i.e. GS) who aren't fare-sensitive will pay a high economy fare on UA because they are virtually guaranteed an upgrade.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 50): IAH falls among the ranks of just a boring large hub. I think it's safe to say that ATL and DFW have a bit more personality.
Personality? IAH sees a far better diversity of international carriers than either ATL or DFW, and ATL's train runs in the basement.
Quoting point2point (Reply 51): From the latest airport stats released by DEN for Jan 12, UA (plus UAX) accounted for 41% of the domestic market share, and they based this on - 'landing fees'
I think you're taking that wording about "landing fees" too literally. I expect the carriers report counts of passengers onboard as well when they file their "landing fee" reports.
DEN is the step child of the new UA. Let WN have it.
Why?
And cede just about half of the geography of the country to DL and others? And where are the going to move some 400 flights per day? With all of UA's profits, it's hard to imagine that they can't make $$$$$ to/from DEN, since they're really the only hub airline there with first class/premium.
Because DEN is almost 97% domestic traffic in total and 96% domestic for UA -- and Smisek has directly said that the "new United" will target international traffic with the domestic system in place to help feed the international flights. And most of DEN's minuscule international traffic is in short-haul markets which can be targeted by LCC's.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 13): I am thinking we will see significantly more mainline services at DEN now that there are planes to fly said services.
And if you believe that I have a lovely bridge to sell you, too! Cross-fleeting is proceeding apace at the other hubs and yet DEN keeps getting cut. A market like DEN-MSP is 70% RJ this summer. And the incoming 737-900ER's will generally be replacing retiring 737-500's and 757's.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1000 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 59): Personality? IAH sees a far better diversity of international carriers than either ATL or DFW, and ATL's train runs in the basement.
That particular train runs every 60 seconds. It's a great system. You have the option to walk or train in the underground.
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 56): IAH has more international variety for spotters than either ATL or DFW...
IAH doesn't have DFW's terminal D.
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Personality? IAH sees a far better diversity of international carriers than either ATL or DFW, and ATL's train runs in the basement.
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