joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22585 times:
So far there are 4 hull-losses for the 747-400, 2 pax and 2 freighters.
Pax:
1993: China Airlines Flight 605, TPE-HKG, runway overrun at HKG (0 fatalities, aircraft write-off)
2000: Singapore Airlines Flight 006, crashed into a construction as a result of runway confusion (83 fatalities)
Freighter:
2010: UPS Airlines Flight 6, crashed close to DXB, in-flight fire, 2 fatalties (the crew)
2011: Asiana Airlines Flight 991, crashed close to Jeju, possible in-flight cargo fire, 2 fatalities (the crew)
gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24627 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22536 times:
The UPS 744F in Dubai killed the two crew
Asiana 744F crash killed the crew
I think the two above were due to Lithium batteries being carried, rather than a fault with the a/c itself IIRC.
1996, an AF 744 encountered severe turbulence, and a passenger got hit by the IFE system. They later died in hospital from the injuries
Singapore Airlines 747-400 in Taipei.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21690 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12191 times:
Quoting joost (Reply 3): So far there are 4 hull-losses for the 747-400, 2 pax and 2 freighters.
Not correct. There have been 6 744 hull losses, 4 pax, 2 freighters.
1993 - CI HKG (non-fatal)
1998 - KE SEL (non-fatal)
2000 - SQ TPE (83 fatalities)
2008 - NH BKK (non-fatal, caught fire during maintenance)
2010 - UPS DXB (2 fatalities, freighter)
2011 - OZ near Jeju, S. Korea (2 fatalities, freighter)
I am almost certain this is missing one or two hull losses. The one I seem to recall is an AF 747 hull-loss in BOM with no fatalities (they had one in MAA too, which is noted).
And I seem to recall a 747 hull loss in DEL as well -- IIRC another AF 747, was broken up and lying next to the runway for a while. I remember thinking how strange it was that AF lost three 747s in India...
HBGDS From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9940 times:
There was F-GITA at Tahiti in 1993, which ended up partially in the drink. By all accounts it looked like a write-off, but it was fished out and after 18 months of repairs and rebuild, it returned to service. staff reportedly nicknamed it GITAnic... Text in French, but nice pic selection at http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/autre%20crash%20a%20Tahiti.htm
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9457 times:
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 11): He's asking about the series 400, Air France have lost none, even the one that went swimming....
I realize the OP is asking about the -400. My comment refers to the Wiki link that supposedly lists all 747 hull losses, and I think the list is missing some of them (albeit maybe not -400s).
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8170 times:
Quoting sankaps (Reply 10): I am almost certain this is missing one or two hull losses. The one I seem to recall is an AF 747 hull-loss in BOM with no fatalities (they had one in MAA too, which is noted).
The aircraft lost by AF in BOM was a B747-128 registered N28888 and the accident occurred back in 1975 (so obviously, could not be a -400). It was destroyed by fire before take off after tires burst during taxiing.
The one lost in MAA was a B747-200F, F-GPAN (ex-UTA). Landed noose wheel up and was destroyed by fire also after landing.
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8156 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14): The aircraft lost by AF in BOM was a B747-128 registered N28888 and the accident occurred back in 1975 (so obviously, could not be a -400). It was destroyed by fire before take off after tires burst during taxiing.
Thanks. This is missing in the Wiki list of 747 hull losses. Also the one in DEL is missing (that one may have been a -400, I am not sure).
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7472 times:
Quoting sankaps (Reply 15): Also the one in DEL is missing (that one may have been a -400, I am not sure).
That one was a B747-200 Combi, N4506H, in July 1988( engine fire warning during takeoff caused the crew to abort the takeoff. The aircraft overran the runway. Tha alarm was false).
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7361 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17): That one was a B747-200 Combi, N4506H, in July 1988( engine fire warning during takeoff caused the crew to abort the takeoff. The aircraft overran the runway. Tha alarm was false).
Thanks. Amazing that AF have lost 3 747s in India!
litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 12): There was F-GITA at Tahiti in 1993, which ended up partially in the drink. By all accounts it looked like a write-off, but it was fished out and after 18 months of repairs and rebuild, it returned to service. staff reportedly nicknamed it GITAnic... Text in French, but nice pic selection at http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/autre...i.htm
A few fairly interesting things in that article picture-wise (since the french is ... well ... french, unless you pop it into Google translate) ...
1) the MAMMOTH piece of structural framework coming out of that big Russian transport ...
2) the jackstands holding up the airplane via beams run through the windows ...
3) when it's all done, apparently the doors were undamaged as there are nice white doors in the new sheet metal. Looks like they just bolted 'em right onto the new construction.
Anyway you care to spin it, that's a massive, massive amount of work done on that aircraft.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7900 posts, RR: 22 Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5161 times:
Pretty damned impressive safety record for a plane built in such numbers and in service for over 20 years.
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 12):
There was F-GITA at Tahiti in 1993, which ended up partially in the drink. By all accounts it looked like a write-off, but it was fished out and after 18 months of repairs and rebuild, it returned to service. staff reportedly nicknamed it GITAnic... Text in French, but nice pic selection at http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/autre...i.htm
Interesting comment at the bottom of that page, regarding F-GITA's retirement: "Les B 747-400 ne sont plus rentables" (translation: 747-400s are no longer profitable). Huh???
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4901 times:
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 19): India is a pretty large place.
Size is not the relevant issue is this case. It is proportion of write-offs compared to number of AF 747 flights to India. AF flew the 747 much more to North America, Africa, and rest of Asia (also large places), as well as of course to/from Paris, but none written off there. So was just pointing out the statistical anamoly.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4649 times:
Quoting sankaps (Reply 23): AF flew the 747 much more to North America, Africa, and rest of Asia (also large places), as well as of course to/from Paris, but none written off there. So was just pointing out the statistical anamoly.
At that time, AF had a large fleet of B747-100/200. Actually, after AF retired from service the B707 in 1982, the B747 was the only real long haul aircraft type in AF's fleet until the delivery the first A340 in 1992 (beside a few A300, used mostly to West Africa and the Middle East, not really long haul).
Don't forget also that at that time, long flights were not nonstop ... BOM & DEL being en route stops on many flights to Asia/Far east (such as PAR-BOM-BKK-HKG, PAR-KHI-DEL-PEK).
25 brenintw: Did they really take the tail off the aircraft and reattach it during the repair? About halfway down the page, there's a picture showing an all-white
26 N14AZ: That's exactly what I thought as well. I would appreciate if someone could provide the answer to that question as well. Thanks in advance.
27 peh: This is a forum, not a Q&A session. I'd like to think that people post questions on this site because they want to ignite a rich conversation aro
28 Fraport: I could imagine they removed the tail to make the aircraft less sensitive to winds. If you look at the pictures, they built the tent just around the
29 bennett123: For anyone interested in F-GITA's time at Kemble, my first sighting was 04/09/2010. It was gone by 23/04/2011.
30 brenintw: And painted over the titles, only to paint them back on before ferrying the aircraft to CDG (or wherever it's shown arriving with the repairs and tit
32 n471wn: Again not correct----there have been 7 hull losses-----you forgot the hard landing of VT-ESM in Bombay of Air India which resulted in the w/o of 2707
33 sankaps: VT-ESM had an engine fire on taxi-out incident in 2009 that resulted in minor damage. Do you have a source for the hard-landing and write-off you ref
34 n471wn: My mistake as it was an engine fire and not a hard landing----They were going to repair the a/c but my souce (atdb.org) says they elected to write it
35 n471wn: And it had nearly 60,000 hours on the frame and a picture of the a/c in the data base does show extensive wing damage that, while repairable, was not
36 Viscount724: I can't find any reference to that aircraft as having been written off. Do you have a source? It's not even mentioned as an incident in the Aviation-
37 sankaps: The engine fire on taxi-out is here http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=68135 . However says minor damage (though a shocking indictment o
38 sankaps: Though in this photo http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-India/Boeing-747-437/1574284/M/ , it does look like the damage is more than just minor (or per
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