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VS Evacuation @ LGW April 16  
User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 33027 times:

VS has just landed at LGW and are evacuating using slides. Any details??

All landing aircraft are holding south of the airport. Any diverts yet?

[Edited 2012-04-16 04:44:32]


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32917 times:

Looks as though some eayJet and Norwegian flights are diverting to STN.


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User currently offlineeirbus06 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32912 times:

G-VSXY, A333, squawked 7700, turned back to gatwick about 30 mins out. thats all i can see from flightradar.

User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32836 times:

Some flights diverting to Southampton also. TOM on approach after what appears some circling on approach.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19204 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32820 times:

Some serious holding.



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User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32796 times:

Agreed btblue. Aircraft on radar leaving holds still 6000ft plus and heading in STN direction.

Having checked Gatwick's arrival board I can't work out which VS flight it would be unless VS43 to LAS or VS27 to MCO came back in? Or maybe a LHR divert.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32789 times:

My friend is watching it, hopefully will get some pics soon.


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User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32746 times:

Apparently fire in rear hold. Smoke entered the cabin hence reason for slides

[Edited 2012-04-16 05:04:40]


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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32572 times:

Looks like it is VS027 - A333 bound for Orlando.

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR27

[Edited 2012-04-16 05:07:30]


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User currently offlineflybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32462 times:

Sorry for the quailty.





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User currently offlinevikinga346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32344 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 8):

Yes, that's it. If you do a playback on flightradar24.com you can see the a/c reached about FL 210 and then made a rapid descent. They potentially have had to declare mayday to get the plane in that quick.... immediate landing. Supports the cargo hold fire theory as I imagine an engine failure would have needed some troubleshooting and subsequent hold...?



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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32267 times:

Do passenger aircraft have fire suppression systems in the holds? How effective are these in general? Is an emergency landing and evacuation still required even if by all signs the fire is out?

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32190 times:

I wonder how heavy she was when she landed... could be some over-stressing happening there that will need to be looked at.
Glad she made it back safe n sound.



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32207 times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17730154

User currently offlinevikinga346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32194 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):
I wonder how heavy she was when she landed

I imagine she would have been very heavy.... I don't reckon they had time to dump fuel due to the rapid descent and landing.



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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 31481 times:

GRRR! News say it was a Virgin A320
Flights in and out of Gatwick have been suspended after an aircraft was forced to make a full emergency landing due to a "technical issue".
The Virgin A320 had left Gatwick bound for Orlando when it had to return to make the landing.
A Gatwick Airport spokeswoman said: "It has made a safe emergency landing, the emergency services are on the scene and the aircraft is safe and passengers are being disembarked.
"Because the aircraft is on the runway all flights in and out of Gatwick are suspended until further notice."


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 31047 times:

More pics on Sky News :

news.sky.com

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/b85f9404.jpg


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30898 times:

Good to see she made a safe landing into Gatwick.

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 14):
I imagine she would have been very heavy.... I don't reckon they had time to dump fuel due to the rapid descent and landing.

I'm guessing the A330 has the option to dump fuel? Is that a standard feature or an optional extra? I know that a few BA 767's that are in Longhaul Configuration (previously Shorthaul) don't have Fuel dumping equipment on them which could be very risky if they have an engine failure if they're fully laden for Nassau etc. Can fuel dump be installed after an aircraft has been built or not?

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User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 451 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30320 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):

It looks as if there is a truck under the rear section of the aircraft, if there is why is it parked there?

Grimey


User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30241 times:

Looks like the cargo loader is on the rear hold

User currently onlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30140 times:

Have a friend at LGW flying to Tenerife at 1500,she said that word is no chance of a departure before 1700.
Understandably little firm information to be had at the moment for passengers.
Looking on Flightradar lot of empty airspace around LGW, Easyjet all seem to be going to STN.
Glad everyones safe.



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User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30143 times:

Quoting planefixer (Reply 19):
Looks like the cargo loader is on the rear hold

Supports the cargo hold fire theory.

GCPET



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User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 29796 times:

Looks as though they were lucky - an hour out and lord only knows how this would have ended. Worse still, mid way over the Atlantic.

Doesn't the A330 have suppression systems in its hold for fires? Would this have been activated and thus an emergency landing declared?

Good all are safe and well.



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User currently offlineholidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 29578 times:

EZY5357 LGW-VIE just taken off.

[Edited 2012-04-16 06:09:57]

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 29472 times:

How was the evacuation carried out? I can't see any evidence of the slides having been inflated from that picture above or the clip on the BBC News site.

User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30721 times:

Gatwick seems to be getting back to normal.

User currently offlineLeej From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 30700 times:

Looks like things are moving again according to FR24

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 33081 times:
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Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 24):
How was the evacuation carried out? I can't see any evidence of the slides having been inflated from that picture above or the clip on the BBC News site.

Posted on the BBC site that chutes were deployed but the the pax got off using airstairs.


User currently offlineholidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32886 times:

Outbounds moving now, been watching Nax36c inbound been holding a long while.

User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32711 times:

Reports are that Gatwick are using the standby runway 08L

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32637 times:

Quoting GCPET (Reply 21):
Supports the cargo hold fire theory.

GCPET

I'd say they are just using that loader to take the passengers bags off.


User currently offlineplanefixer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32301 times:

They would not usually take the pax luggage off while the aircraft is still disabled on the runway, they would wait until it had been towed off to a remote stand.

There is one inflated slide just on the floor fwd of the aircraft. It was used in the evacuation, but crew need to enter the aircraft, so it was detached and a ladder was used to gain access to the plane by fire / ground crew.

On the BBC news website, there is a picture taken by someone on the ground, clearly showing all slides deployed with passengers on the taxiway.

[Edited 2012-04-16 06:30:31]

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32260 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 24):
How was the evacuation carried out? I can't see any evidence of the slides having been inflated from that picture above or the clip on the BBC News site.

The slides were deployed - but after the evacuation it looks like they were detached (pic on the flight global FB page shows slides detached)


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32090 times:

It looks like the slides were used, and then after the "stand down" they removed them, closed the doors and brought in a stairs for the front (as the SKY shot shows)

Surprised they are allowed to do this. After the evacuation is complete and it appears everything is sorted, I would think LGW would want to remove the aircraft from the runway to clear it, and get things back into operations.



I do think that most ETOPS aircraft have to have fire suppression in the cargo. Maybe a lot of the aircraft now since the SAA incident in the Indian Ocean.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32002 times:

Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 14):
I imagine she would have been very heavy.... I don't reckon they had time to dump fuel due to the rapid descent and landing.

I don't believe the A330 has a fuel dump system, only the A340.



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User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 31835 times:

This video clearly shows chutes deployed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YdOntQpGd0



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User currently offlinehanuise From France, joined Jun 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 31702 times:

From Wikipedia, most long-range twins (B767, B777, A310, A330) do not need a fuel-dump system, as long as they fulfill les FAR 25.119 et FAR 25.121 regulations.
They state that a jettison system is not required if the climb requirements of FAR 25.119 (Landing Climb) and FAR 25.121 (Approach Climb) could be met, assuming a 15-minute flight. In other words, for a go-around with full landing flaps and all engines operating, and at approach flap setting and one engine inoperative, respectively.


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Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 30033 times:

That's sad. All those people missing their holiday. Must be a lot of disappointed kids on that plane.

That must have been a heavy landing with all its fuel still onboard.


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29531 times:

This is now hitting the Orlando media. They're reporting the cause as smoke in the cockpit.

Cheers,
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User currently onlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29682 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
That's sad. All those people missing their holiday. Must be a lot of disappointed kids on that plane.

Very true, has anyone told those waiting at Orlando they won't be coming home tonight?

And on the BBC website a quote from a passenger:

Another passenger, Mark Bell, from Bracknell, said: "I knew something was wrong when we took off."

Wow.  



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29243 times:
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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 34):
I don't believe the A330 has a fuel dump system, only the A340.

The fuel-dump system is required and so standard on the A340. It is not required, so optional on the A330. It's easy to tell if the aircraft can dump fuel as there is a nozzle attached to the 3rd flap track fairing.

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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29246 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 39):
Another passenger, Mark Bell, from Bracknell, said: "I knew something was wrong when we took off."

My wife is convinced of the same thing on every flight we're on. I dread the day something actually happens and I get the "See, I told you!"  


User currently offlineHNLsurfer From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 28192 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 41):

Hindsight is always 20/20!


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 28505 times:

Interesting what some of the passengers have said in the BBC article....

"I knew something was wrong when we took off.

"The plane was really wobbly. The cabin crew made things worse. They were all really panicked.

"We weren't told anything other than we had to go back to Gatwick and make an emergency landing.

"We circled the airport twice before making an emergency landing. We were told to evacuate, evacuate, evacuate."

(source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17730154)

The first bit makes me laugh somewhat....but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking. All the SEP training I've seen tends to assume that crew have ample time to prepare for an emergency landing (e.g. http://youtu.be/Gg8gZ92t3kw) which was clearly not the case in this incident. I dunno, possibly a factor.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 28217 times:

Supposed fire in hold.....somehow my thoughts divert towards lithium batteries???
This has been an issue for a longer period already, so might, repeat, might be a reason.
Anyone with more detailed info about cargo loads on this flight?



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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 27914 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking.

I think the passengers, probably near panic themselves, mistake the crew rushing to get things ready for the landing and subsequent evacuation for panic. I've never experienced it myself, but I'm sure the evacuation itself can also sound like "panicking crew" when they're yelling for everyone to get out, when they're really doing just what they're supposed to be doing.

As for the "I knew something was wrong" and "the plane was wobbly" comments, those are just passengers reading some perceived problem into the problem that actually occurred.


User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 27421 times:
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Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
All the SEP training I've seen tends to assume that crew have ample time to prepare for an emergency landing (e.g. http://youtu.be/Gg8gZ92t3kw) which was clearly not the case in this incident. I dunno, possibly a factor.

Training is definitely important, but I think there is a big difference between the mental issues involved with training and it actually happening. With that said, I also think people over react and the crew was probably doing their job as trained.


User currently onlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 27323 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 41):
My wife is convinced of the same thing on every flight we're on. I dread the day something actually happens and I get the "See, I told you!"

Light hearted humour.
In future,let her make all the bookings and then as the plane plunges towards the ground you can turn to her and say,"this is your fault,you booked us on this flight."     



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 26512 times:

Let's just be thankful that all pax's & crew are safe.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
The first bit makes me laugh somewhat....but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking. All the SEP training I've seen tends to assume that crew have ample time to prepare for an emergency landing (e.g. http://youtu.be/Gg8gZ92t3kw) which was clearly not the case in this incident. I dunno, possibly a factor.


I can vouch for VS's SEP training as being very thorough ! No-one can say how they would re-act in this kind of situation. As mentioned above, they may not of had alot of time to brief the cabin and pax's. All cabin crew hope they would act with professionlism and calmness, but at the end of the day all cabin crew are human.

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
That's sad. All those people missing their holiday. Must be a lot of disappointed kids on that plane.


I somehow think this is the last thing of their minds after being evacuated from the aircraft.

I am sure all pax's invloved will be offered the chance to continue their journey.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 26671 times:

Quoting hanuise (Reply 36):
From Wikipedia, most long-range twins (B767, B777, A310, A330) do not need a fuel-dump system, as long as they fulfill les FAR 25.119 et FAR 25.121 regulations.

That's not correct. Every 777 and most 767s have a fuel jettison system. Only a few older lighter weight non-ER 767-200s don't have fuel jettison.

Extended cargo fire suppression (at least 195 minutes worth of it) is required for ETOPS so the A330 would have had it.

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
That's sad. All those people missing their holiday. Must be a lot of disappointed kids on that plane.

No, that's a minor inconvenience. What would be sad is if the crew reacted poorly like the crew of Swissair 111 and the airplane plunged into the ocean in flames. That would be sad. Better to have kids miss a day of their holiday, than miss the rest of their lives.

I don't have all the details, but it sounds like the VS crew did exactly what they should have done and handled the situation very appropriately.


User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 26896 times:

Another pic

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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25741 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 45):
I think the passengers, probably near panic themselves, mistake the crew rushing to get things ready for the landing and subsequent evacuation for panic. I've never experienced it myself, but I'm sure the evacuation itself can also sound like "panicking crew" when they're yelling for everyone to get out, when they're really doing just what they're supposed to be doing.

couldn't agree more .....

when I've evacuated the rig during my SEP training, it could appear as crew panicing. But the nature of the job is to save as many lives and get as many pax's off that aircraft ! The training and procedures are such that it is a fast paced excercise. Cabin crew only have very limited time to prepare an aircraft for an emergency landing and there is alot to do, in terms of securing an aircraft cabin.

The skills & training of cabin crew are always forgotten until something like this happens. We are seen as 'trolley dollies' but those Virgin Crew did a fantastic job getting those pax's off that aircraft safley.



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User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25533 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 44):
Supposed fire in hold.....somehow my thoughts divert towards lithium batteries???
This has been an issue for a longer period already, so might, repeat, might be a reason.
Anyone with more detailed info about cargo loads on this flight?

Anyone with knowledge of the cargo on board this flight will not disclose it on a public forum such as this.

Please bear in mind that such information will be held pending the relevant authorities making their own investigations. As this flight was going to the US any hazardous shipments will be covered by the US Gvernment regulations concerning this type of cargo.

The regulations concerning Lithium Batteries are restrictive enough for movement by air but after my last course on moving Hazardous Goods by Air (revalidation No 13) I think the rules are going to be made a whole lot more restrictive.

Thankfully the passengers and crew are safe and the investigators can get on now with their job to find out what has happened.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 24349 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 45):
s for the "I knew something was wrong" and "the plane was wobbly" comments, those are just passengers reading some perceived problem into the problem that actually occurred.

My first thought when reading that comment was, "You're on an A330. Of course it's wobbly." Probably a classic case of someone being confused by the many strange sights and sounds of being on an airliner.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 49):
Better to have kids miss a day of their holiday, than miss the rest of their lives.

And suffer the ignominy of missing Disney World? Better dead than live without a churro.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking.

They were telling them to "evacuate, evacuate, evacuate" like they were trained to. Surely a sign of apoplexy. If you want them to stopping yelling "evacuate" in your ear, the best solution is to do what they say.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 24033 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
That's sad. All those people missing their holiday. Must be a lot of disappointed kids on that plane.

Would have been more disappinting if they had not diverted and the aircraft had caught fire and they all perished.

Now that would be sad.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
The first bit makes me laugh somewhat....but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking.

And some of the reports "The crew were yelling get off get off" and things like " They were not waiting for people to clear the bottom of the slide" and "they were pushing people onto the slide"

Well that is all in the training. The most critical thing in ANY emergency is time. If you don't yell at people and create a sense of urgency, they would probably stroll about the aircraft and get their belongings from the overhead lockers and take their sweet time.

Well done to the flight AND cabin crew for getting the plane down and everyone off as QUICKLY as possible.


User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 24192 times:

From that BBC link:

"Tom Alridge said one of the cabin crew panicked upon landing.
"She was screaming like a banshee - 'Get off, get off' - she was literally pushing people down the chute," he said."

...well, actually she was doing exactly what she should have been doing...
(this said, it is true that if she's got a high-pitched voice, it may have sounded bizarre... but it had the desired effect!)


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22990 times:

As crew myself it's really annoying to hear such passenger comments. Granted, we all know the role of cabin crew isn't always fully understood or appreciated by "Joe Passenger" but surely when all crew are shouting commands, the same commands in unison then they would realise that it was something more co-ordinated and intentional. With a fire or potential fire anywhere on the aircraft time is not your best friend.

Pushing passengers (lower back) onto the slides is procedure, particularly when they hesitate. Injuries will always occur in evacuations which is why the decision to evacuate isn't taken lightly in the first place and is actually quite a calculated decision. In an ideal world the crew will have had time to brief the ABP's or the exit row passengers having enough about them to assist and direct passengers at the bottom of the slide. I can picture it now all the passengers hanging around at the bottom of the slides rather than moving away from the aircraft. Hence further injuries.

I hope that perhaps someone will set the story straight to the media so that the crew don't get made to look like a set of idiots. I know if I was one of the crew members today I would be really pissed off considering i'd just helped in a pretty successful evacuation!

As a side. Does anyone think that the typical VS crew member stereotype may have been a factor here? I'm not in anyway suggesting that their training is sub-par (I know it isn't) but alot of airlines seem to have a crew stereotype and the Virgin one tends to be the "dizzy beautiful blonde" girl who is just there to look sexy.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22870 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
"The plane was really wobbly. The cabin crew made things worse. They were all really panicked.
Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
The first bit makes me laugh somewhat....but interesting to hear that the passenger's perception of the crew is that they were panicking. All the SEP training I've seen tends to assume that crew have ample time to prepare for an emergency landing (e.g. http://youtu.be/Gg8gZ92t3kw) which was clearly not the case in this incident. I dunno, possibly a factor.

We were on a DL flight ATL-HNL a few weeks ago (also on an A330 interestingly), when about 15 min. after takeoff, we could detect a strange odor, almost as if someone were smoking. A few minutes later, the lead FA rushed up & cracked open one of the forward overhead luggage compartments where a fire extinguisher is kept. They never removed it, but there were LOTS of dings and FAs on the phone, walking a bit more than briskly up & down the aisles with concerned faces, etc.


It turned out to be a small oven fire or overheating element in the midships galley - an FA later told us they were VERY close to deciding to return to ATL. Happened as they were warming the nuts for First Class's cocktail service; they served the nuts anyway-nasty! My VERY frequent flyer partner was quite alarmed, but I told him until I felt the plane change direction (turn or descend abruptly) I wasn't going to fret. Other than the nasty nuts served, the rest of the flight was awesome.

I sincerely hope no one was seriously injured in the evacuation!




[Edited 2012-04-16 09:57:53]


[Edited 2012-04-16 09:59:04]

[Edited 2012-04-16 09:59:40]


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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22645 times:

4 people hurt I just saw flash up.


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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 23007 times:
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Quoting anstar (Reply 54):
And some of the reports "The crew were yelling get off get off" and things like " They were not waiting for people to clear the bottom of the slide" and "they were pushing people onto the slide"
........The most critical thing in ANY emergency is time. If you don't yell at people and create a sense of urgency, they would probably stroll about the aircraft and get their belongings from the overhead lockers and take their sweet time.

Well done to the flight AND cabin crew for getting the plane down and everyone off as QUICKLY as possible.

I refer back to the BA B777 crash at LHR. 1 passenger complained to the media about how rude the crew were to him during the evacuation.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22255 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 43):
"We weren't told anything other than we had to go back to Gatwick and make an emergency landing.

Would the passenger rather be told the airplane is on fire? I don't think so.

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 58):
4 people hurt I just saw flash up.

It could have been a lot worse. I believe the crew did an excellent job getting the plane evacuated.


User currently offlineTJCAB From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22283 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 59):
I refer back to the BA B777 crash at LHR. 1 passenger complained to the media about how rude the crew were to him during the evacuation.

What a fool, what, he wanted a cup of tea and a smile kindly asking him to disembark. Pathetic. Which part of emergency evacuation did he not comprehend?


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22226 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 56):

As crew myself it's really annoying to hear such passenger comments. Granted, we all know the role of cabin crew isn't always fully understood or appreciated by "Joe Passenger" but surely when all crew are shouting commands, the same commands in unison then they would realise that it was something more co-ordinated and intentional. With a fire or potential fire anywhere on the aircraft time is not your best friend.

Pushing passengers (lower back) onto the slides is procedure, particularly when they hesitate. Injuries will always occur in evacuations which is why the decision to evacuate isn't taken lightly in the first place and is actually quite a calculated decision. In an ideal world the crew will have had time to brief the ABP's or the exit row passengers having enough about them to assist and direct passengers at the bottom of the slide. I can picture it now all the passengers hanging around at the bottom of the slides rather than moving away from the aircraft. Hence further injuries.

I hope that perhaps someone will set the story straight to the media so that the crew don't get made to look like a set of idiots. I know if I was one of the crew members today I would be really pissed off considering i'd just helped in a pretty successful evacuation!

As a side. Does anyone think that the typical VS crew member stereotype may have been a factor here? I'm not in anyway suggesting that their training is sub-par (I know it isn't) but alot of airlines seem to have a crew stereotype and the Virgin one tends to be the "dizzy beautiful blonde" girl who is just there to look sexy.

And more annoying that the BBC chose to use that viewpoint, rather than the more important of the crew using their training to SAVE LIVES. You always get a few injuries on the slides and since this incident seemed to happen just after takeoff there problem wasn't a lot of time to prepare.

Glad to hear that everyone's OK,


User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 63, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22161 times:

At the end of the day, a little rudeness in such a scenario is a small price to pay compared to ending up as plant food as a result of a fire.

Good they landed safely and there will always be some pax that grumble and complain. They walked away - some accidents don't always offer that luxury.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 64, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 22283 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 57):
It turned out to be a small oven fire or overheating element in the midships galley - an FA later told us they were VERY close to deciding to return to ATL.

The way the Boeing procedure reads is that if you can't VISUALLY identify the source of the smoke/fire/fumes and visually confirm that it's out (not just just that you kind of think there's less smoke or the odor is less strong now, maybe sort of) then you immediately land at the nearest suitable airport ASAP (not just where it's convenient).

In this case they apparently could visually confirm it was the galley oven and could put their hand on it like a boy scout's campfire, so they were justified in continuing at the Captain's discretion.

If the burning smell had persisted and they couldn't identify it or confirm that it was out, then they should have landed at the nearest airport - period - that could safely land an A330. If that meant an Air Force base or off-line Podunk airport, they should have been there darn fast. F9 landed at YKM a few months ago for an unidentified smoke event.

If it's the one day that it's going to be another SW 111 then statistics show they have like 23 minutes on average before the airplane becomes uncontrollable or comes apart in flames.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4402 posts, RR: 76
Reply 65, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 21883 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 56):
As crew myself it's really annoying to hear such passenger comments.

It's a thankless situation : people, once safe on the ground willresent the fact that they have been scared and put - litterally - their lives into the hands of a group of - generally young - flight attendants.
It is quite remarkable that the passengers' comments on the diverted AF CDG-BOG of a few weeks ago and this one are almost verbatim the same .
See :"Quote:
Passengers on an Air France flight travelling from Paris to Bogota have told how they thought they were going to die when the plane they were on plummeted towards the Atlantic ocean after a burning smell filled the cabin.
Quote:
Swedish newspaper Expressen quotes Eden Victoria Erlandsson, a passenger on the plane, as saying "panic took over, the cabin crew were sweating and shouting, and people were crying and praying. It was total panic."

with some comments above.

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 58):
4 people hurt I just saw flash up.

out of 300 passengers, that's very low as people will suffer :
-friction burns from the slide
-sprain or broken heel / leg / knee and articulations at the bottom of the slide
-upper body fractures from collisions between passengers sliding fast and hitting those in front...



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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 21407 times:

From what I have heard the crew did an amazing and efficient job in getting all the crew off the aircraft.

What do passengers expect for an emergency evacuation? Do they expect it to be a lovely, calm and collective disembarkation?


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 20405 times:

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 66):
From what I have heard the crew did an amazing and efficient job in getting all the crew off the aircraft.

What do passengers expect for an emergency evacuation? Do they expect it to be a lovely, calm and collective disembarkation?

You can never please some people!


User currently offlineHeathrow757 From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 20878 times:

Everyone has probably got the gist of what happened but my Bro's friend was on board and she said that their was a rapid descent followed by the landing then the words 'evacuate, evacuate, evacuate', there weren't any flames but a lot of smoke and people were going crazy with lots of screaming etc etc.... which is, I guess, understandable. Strange seeing as G-VSXY is so new?   

User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 20343 times:

Quoting Heathrow757 (Reply 68):
Strange seeing as G-VSXY is so new?

Well if it was truly a cargo fire, the age of the plane has nothing to do with that.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 70, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 20087 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 69):
Quoting Heathrow757 (Reply 68):Strange seeing as G-VSXY is so new?
Well if it was truly a cargo fire, the age of the plane has nothing to do with that.

And even if it was specific to the aircraft, that is by no means unusual on a new aircraft.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 71, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 19845 times:
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Love the way that a crew member 'screaming' "get off, get off!" like, apparently, a banshee, means they were panicking. Would the idiots reporting that rather the crew member concerned had asked passengers to take a seat and wait half an hour with a beer or two before disembarking? Meh.....


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User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 19559 times:

Quoting GCPET (Reply 17):
I know that a few BA 767's that are in Longhaul Configuration (previously Shorthaul) don't have Fuel dumping equipment on them which could be very risky if they have an engine failure if they're fully laden for Nassau etc.

If you have an engine failure on a twin isn't it advisable to get on the ground as soon as possible?! Which means you wouldn't have time to dump fuel even if you could...


User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 19151 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 56):
Does anyone think that the typical VS crew member stereotype may have been a factor here? I'm not in anyway suggesting that their training is sub-par (I know it isn't) but alot of airlines seem to have a crew stereotype and the Virgin one tends to be the "dizzy beautiful blonde" girl who is just there to look sexy.

regardless of that - VS Cabin Crew are highly trained (as are all cabin crew)

what they look like shouldn't factor into it !



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 19063 times:

Quoting Passenger 'Tom Aldridge' on The BBC Report

"She was screaming like a banshee - 'Get off, get off' - she was literally pushing people down the chute"

Exactly what cabin crew are trained to do - in an emergency evacuation there isn't the luxury of loud speakers/ tanoys or PA's, crew have to shout to be heard, if passengers hesitate at the exit - they will be pushed down the slide.



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 16472 times:
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Congratulations to the Captain and all crew for a safe conclusion to a potentially serious situation. Regrettably a few passengers and/or crew are banged up a bit, but no one suffered loss of limb or life, and no serious damage to the aircraft. It is always interesting to read of passenger response, particularly when the media shoves a microphone in their face for a "first person" perspective. Chin up VS crew, and smile at my experience many years ago.......
I was lead F/A on a 737 that was struck by lightning on takeoff. The Captain quickly advised he was returning to the airport due to potential damage to the stabilizer and tailplane, and loss of hydraulic power, and that he would notify me if an evacuation was necessary. We did land uneventfully and taxiied under our own power to the gate. The A/C was damaged and the flight was canceled.
Two female passengers in F complained to me at the door they were going to "write this up" and that they were very disappointed in what happened. Sure enough, a lettter was written actually complaining about me for "failing to provide any comfort during the harrowing flight," and that the "cocktail we ordered with dinner would have calmed us down." They wrote "he remained seated during the flight and talked on the telephone a lot completely ignoring us."
Please keep in mind our circuit to return to the runway lasted all of 23 minutes and that we were flying in a thunderstorm with associated turbulence in an unstable airplane.
They were pissed however at not getting their vodka tonic. They probably drank their sorrow at the hotel bar when we overnighted them.
It still brings a smile to my face after all these years. They are likely the parents of all the Bozo's we fly with nowadays!



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 76, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 15313 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 73):

As crew myself I acknowledged that VS training is up there with the rest and my comment about the VS crew stereotype is pretty much fact..... Both within crew circles and the wider public. Think back to Pam Ann and the VS ad and you will see what I mean. Now of course I agree that looks shouldn't matter but looks and stereotype do sometimes influence people's perceptions. My question was whether the VS stereotype/perception maybe a factor?



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 74):
Quoting Passenger 'Tom Aldridge' on The BBC Report

"She was screaming like a banshee - 'Get off, get off' - she was literally pushing people down the chute"

Exactly what cabin crew are trained to do - in an emergency evacuation there isn't the luxury of loud speakers/ tanoys or PA's, crew have to shout to be heard, if passengers hesitate at the exit - they will be pushed down the slide.

Some people are so ignorant about the potential of an emergency that they would probably expect FAs to politely request that people leave.

'Please everyone, listen in; we have a slight predicament that requires you to leave the aircraft - hopefully it's not raining outside for you. If you don't want to leave, that's your choice - just let us know what drink you'd like and we'll stop by your seat with a refreshing beverage then transport you to the gate in a Mercedes.'

I'll take the screaming banshee any day.



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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14879 times:

Link on virginatlantic.com: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/us/en...ravel-information/latest-news.html


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14552 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 76):
As crew myself I acknowledged that VS training is up there with the rest and my comment about the VS crew stereotype is pretty much fact..... Both within crew circles and the wider public. Think back to Pam Ann and the VS ad and you will see what I mean. Now of course I agree that looks shouldn't matter but looks and stereotype do sometimes influence people's perceptions. My question was whether the VS stereotype/perception maybe a factor?

I think the stereotype probably hasn't helped with the way this has been reported, but we don't know what the crew were actually like (I can think of a guys at Virgin that can scream like a banshee!), but they carried out a textbook evacuation. I do SRB should have some words with the BBC about the way have portrayed his employees when they have done something not even a lot of cabin crew would have do for real in their careers.

Although this incident doesn't disprove the Pam Ann stereotype. She only ever claimed they can't find their way around a 747, we at least know they know their way around an A330! (too soon for jokes??)


User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 14076 times:

The sensationalist nonsense being churned out on Sky News (UK) is nauseating. They are emphasising that the aicraft made a "FULL" emergency landing - as opposed to what? A half emergency landing?   Then they say "why has such a new aircraft had a fire in the cabin?" and "virgin technicians and air accident investigators will be looking to see how a plane can have such a technical fault in mid air" - they don't know it was a fault with the aircraft at all and from the sounds of it, this could have happened in any cargo hold of any aircraft! I often wonder, if they hype this kind of thing up then the stuff I hear on the news about subjects I am not familiar with couldn't be very accurate either   

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 12532 times:

A little info on diverts here from this great blog

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...atwick-roundup-16-04-12-84073.aspx



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User currently offlineusafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12170 times:

I commend the cabin crew for doing their job...a fantastic job in getting everybody out fast.

The PAX & reportors that make comments like "...they were screaming at the PAX" or "yelling at the PAX to get out" ... may be in fact true..... and the crew did exactly what they were supposed to do.

Remember that Chian Airlines 737-800 that literally EXPLODED .... it literally EXPLODED like a bomb went off ...seconds before the last pax got off?
August 20, 2007 at Naha Airport.....

Those PAX responded like they were supposed to...."run for your life"!

Maybe if they showed that at safety briefings to the PAX...they would do what they were told to do without questions....or stop complaining that the crew was "yelling" or "screaming at them".


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 83, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11599 times:

Quoting usafdo (Reply 82):
Remember that Chian Airlines 737-800 that literally EXPLODED .... it literally EXPLODED like a bomb went off ...seconds before the last pax got off?
August 20, 2007 at Naha Airport.....

Well stated. Or the flight crew of AF358 that had everyone off safely in 90 seconds while the plane was burning. Perhaps they should have said "please" a few more times.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 11051 times:

Seems they couldnt tow off the runway immediately as "tires deflated automatically due to heavy breaking" - is that true, or is something lost in transaltion and they just burst?

http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm



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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

Glad they landed safely, when someone yells at me i often just stand there and think "Hey this person shouting at me i'll freeze and stop what i'm doing incase iam making a situation further wrong and listen to the shouting" I know its an instruction but sometimes a person shouting makes someone nervous so that they just freeze rather than respond. Maybe a different type of tone, an urgency type not a scream type would be better? But no one knows what its like to be in an emergency so the first one, be it the scream tone or urgency tone comes out first i guess.

I think now the event is over the attendant probably thinks hey i did do that rather harshly but next time i will do it with urgency rather than a full on scream, but at the time it could have been worse which is what they are trained for.

Gatwick has had some bad luck this past week, a hot air balloon, now the emergency landing, lets hope things dont come in threes.


User currently offlinetwa727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10971 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 84):
Seems they couldnt tow off the runway immediately as "tires deflated automatically due to heavy breaking" - is that true, or is something lost in transaltion and they just burst?

My understanding is that tires on planes like the A330 have thermal plugs and overpressure valves that will give to release tire pressure before the wheel temperature or tire pressure would cause the tire to burst. A controlled deflation is much safer than a high pressure tire burst.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 87, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10752 times:

Quoting twa727 (Reply 86):
My understanding is that tires on planes like the A330 have thermal plugs and overpressure valves that will give to release tire pressure before the wheel temperature or tire pressure would cause the tire to burst. A controlled deflation is much safer than a high pressure tire burst.

Yes, Boeing airplanes have the same. However, why did the fuse plugs release? That normally only happens during unusually heavy braking such as a high speed RTO.

Did he want to stop the airplane a few seconds earlier to start the evacuation? Or, perhaps did they have some kind of system failure that prevented the anti-skid system from working?


User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10633 times:

Anyone remember Saudia flight 163 in August 1980 that had a cargo fire and landed in Riyadh with 287 pax and 14 crew. All were killed, probably because the captain decided to taxi the L-1011 to a ramp area, instead of stopping instantly on the runway where the fire equipment was waiting.

I have the utmost admiration for the VS captain and crew to stop immediately, deploy the slides and get the hell out of there. The Saudia aircraft was burned to a crisp. That's why I would ever mind a FA to yell at me to get out now!


User currently offlineusafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10368 times:

Yes RIXrat I agree with you 100%!

The VS cabin crew did exactly what they were trained to do.

However when I hear a post, such as that from Flyingfox27 - it gives me the impression this person has "ZERO" understanding of the situation!

It can be life or death - and there is not time to have debates about "your screaming at me", or "you are yelling at me".....


Look at the pictures of the Continental DC-10......."March 1, 1978: Continental Airlines Flight #603"

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Conti...cDonnell-Douglas-DC-10-10/0086018/


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3386 posts, RR: 9
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 87):
Yes, Boeing airplanes have the same. However, why did the fuse plugs release? That normally only happens during unusually heavy braking such as a high speed RTO.

I'm guessing that, with the plane being heavy and this being an emergency then this could be classed as "unusually heavy breaking".


User currently offlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3548 posts, RR: 3
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 88):
Anyone remember Saudia flight 163 in August 1980 that had a cargo fire and landed in Riyadh with 287 pax and 14 crew. All were killed, probably because the captain decided to taxi the L-1011 to a ramp area, instead of stopping instantly on the runway where the fire equipment was waiting. I have the utmost admiration for the VS captain and crew to stop immediately, deploy the slides and get the hell out of there. The Saudia aircraft was burned to a crisp. That's why I would ever mind a FA to yell at me to get out now!

I was thinking of this desperately sad case, when reading the complaints of ignorant passengers.


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Quoting GCPET (Reply 17):
I'm guessing the A330 has the option to dump fuel?

Yes they do. But in the event of even the slightest suspicion of a fire on-board, the priority is to get the aircraft on the ground, no messing! Airlines would rather damage the aircraft than risk anyone burning to death. An on-board fire is an aircraft operator and an aircrews greatest fear.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

Quoting theginge (Reply 72):
If you have an engine failure on a twin isn't it advisable to get on the ground as soon as possible?! Which means you wouldn't have time to dump fuel even if you could...

If it is just a flameout, with no other problem present, then you can stay in the air for quite a while.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 76):
As crew myself I acknowledged that VS training is up there with the rest and my comment about the VS crew stereotype is pretty much fact..... Both within crew circles and the wider public. Think back to Pam Ann and the VS ad and you will see what I mean. Now of course I agree that looks shouldn't matter but looks and stereotype do sometimes influence people's perceptions. My question was whether the VS stereotype/perception maybe a factor?

I totally agree that VS Cabin Crew have a certain stereotype both amongst other crew, the press & passengers alike.

The crew on-board VS027 did a text book evacuation, the likelihood is that hardly any pax's watched the safety demo.

I personally don't think that the stereotype of VS crew was a factor. I have friends at BA that said the same thing happened after the BA LHR Crash, some passengers complained to BA that the cabin crew were rude to them on evacuation !!!

If passengers could see how quick a fire can spread on-board an aircraft, as mentioned above, a fire on-board an aircraft is a flight crew's worst case scenario. The only option is get the aircraft down and get the pax's off.

Some cabin crew can go a whole career with never having to put their training into practice.

I say well done !!



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 87):
However, why did the fuse plugs release? That normally only happens during unusually heavy braking such as a high speed RTO.

It was an overweight landing. Where they would use max reverse thrust, and possibly max brakes depending on the runway length available they had after nose touchdown and also the flaps setting (as they'd use flaps 3 for landing if the weight exceeded the maximum go-around weight, increasing the approaching speed), therfore the temperature exceeded 800C and the tire deflated.



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User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 451 posts, RR: 5
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quoting usafdo (Reply 82):
Remember that Chian Airlines 737-800 that literally EXPLODED .... it literally EXPLODED like a bomb went off ...seconds before the last pax got off?
August 20, 2007 at Naha Airport.....
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 83):
Or the flight crew of AF358 that had everyone off safely in 90 seconds while the plane was burning.

They should show them video clips / pictures on the safety videos from now on and it'll be fresh in peoples minds.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 97, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 55):
"She was screaming like a banshee - 'Get off, get off' - she was literally pushing people down the chute," he said."

What was she supposed to do, sing a song and dance and gently usher people off the plane? Sounds like she did her job perfectly.

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 56):
As crew myself it's really annoying to hear such passenger comments. Granted, we all know the role of cabin crew isn't always fully understood or appreciated by "Joe Passenger" but surely when all crew are shouting commands, the same commands in unison then they would realise that it was something more co-ordinated and intentional. With a fire or potential fire anywhere on the aircraft time is not your best friend.

Pushing passengers (lower back) onto the slides is procedure, particularly when they hesitate. Injuries will always occur in evacuations which is why the decision to evacuate isn't taken lightly in the first place and is actually quite a calculated decision. In an ideal world the crew will have had time to brief the ABP's or the exit row passengers having enough about them to assist and direct passengers at the bottom of the slide. I can picture it now all the passengers hanging around at the bottom of the slides rather than moving away from the aircraft. Hence further injuries.

I hope that perhaps someone will set the story straight to the media so that the crew don't get made to look like a set of idiots. I know if I was one of the crew members today I would be really pissed off considering i'd just helped in a pretty successful evacuation!

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Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 59):
I refer back to the BA B777 crash at LHR. 1 passenger complained to the media about how rude the crew were to him during the evacuation.

I remember that, that made me laugh. Truth of the matter is BA crew are some of the best out there.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 88):
I have the utmost admiration for the VS captain and crew to stop immediately, deploy the slides and get the hell out of there. The Saudia aircraft was burned to a crisp. That's why I would ever mind a FA to yell at me to get out now!

I read about this and thought of that as a main reason why I thought the decision to evacuate ASAP was the right one. The sad thing about the Saudia case was that I remember reading most people had passed out due to smoke inhalation and that the cabin crew were still strapped in their jump seats when they were found. Totally avoidable tragedy.



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User currently offlinecc2314 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 85):

I would rather they scream as loudly as they possibly can without it becoming distorted.There is no time for hesitation,hmm did i sound too rude ??


User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 864 posts, RR: 7
Reply 99, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
That must have been a heavy landing with all its fuel still onboard.

Heavy in the sense that it was over its max landing weight perhaps, but there's no relationship between the weight of the aircraft and how hard it hits the ground. We classify a heavy landing (which needs engineering checks) as one which hits at more than about 2.0 vertigal G. This was likely to be correctly termed an Overweight Landing.

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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting cc2314 (Reply 98):
I would rather they scream as loudly as they possibly can without it becoming distorted.There is no time for hesitation,hmm did i sound too rude ??

Absolutely. The fact is the role of crew is always promoted from the customer service perspective and that is pretty much all the pax see's other than the demo. Whilst we can't deny that crew are onboard for customer service, when it comes to safety, both in the extreme such as an evacuation, right down to menial duties such as exit row criteria, passengers aren't used to the 'blurring' of customer service and safety officer role that cabin crew is. So when you have to be firm (like you sometimes have to be) when it comes to safety, passengers think you are being rude as all they see is customer service personnel. Until of course things go belly up then they look to you......alas



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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 100):
So when you have to be firm (like you sometimes have to be) when it comes to safety, passengers think you are being rude as all they see is customer service personnel.

That's mind boggling to me. If I'm on that aircraft, I'm thinking, "This plane might be on fire," and I'm probably thrilled to see the crew reacting quickly and getting the doors open. I want out. Yell that to me all you want. The fact that the "attitude" of the crew even enters anyone's mind is what I don't understand. I would have a one-track mind at that point.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 101):

That's mind boggling to me. If I'm on that aircraft, I'm thinking, "This plane might be on fire," and I'm probably thrilled to see the crew reacting quickly and getting the doors open. I want out. Yell that to me all you want. The fact that the "attitude" of the crew even enters anyone's mind is what I don't understand. I would have a one-track mind at that point.

Exactly, but they are never exposed to the safety part of the role. Instead that side of the job is often either disregarded, seen as being just the demo or even sniggered at by some.
As I have said in previous posts, I find it really annoying as a crew member myself that they have been portrayed in the media to some extent as being an hinderence due to over panicing. On reflection, it's not necassarilly the passengers fault if they don't really know about the safety role of crew but I feel that someone could have publicly come out in support of the crew who in actual fact did an excellent job.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 102):
Exactly, but they are never exposed to the safety part of the role. Instead that side of the job is often either disregarded, seen as being just the demo or even sniggered at by some.
As I have said in previous posts, I find it really annoying as a crew member myself that they have been portrayed in the media to some extent as being an hinderence due to over panicing. On reflection, it's not necassarilly the passengers fault if they don't really know about the safety role of crew but I feel that someone could have publicly come out in support of the crew who in actual fact did an excellent job.

Couldn't agree more ! I am a bit disappointed in Richard Branson & Steve Ridgeway that they haven't publicy spoken out for their cabin crew !



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

What exactly did the passengers expect?

A nice stereotypical British composure with a "Tally-Ho out you go" and a glass of brandy to be placed in their hand the moment they descended from the slide?

However, what if a crew member perhaps did panic? This could be why we have heard little from Sir Dicky and co.

I know myself a number of years ago being on a flight over the Caribbean where we had suffered a hydraulics failure which resulted in us being unable to land (2 go arounds both aborted after the wheels hit the runway) at our destination as the runway was too short and we had to return to a longer runway in the Bahamas. The Captain suggested we all prepare for a ditching in the event that the aircraft would not be able to stop before the end of the runway. Although it was only a mild possibility it was still enough to worry some of the crew, one in particular who was on her first trip back to work after having a baby and she literally broke down in tears.

At the end of the day none of us actually know how we are going to react in such a situation. Reality is not quite as black and white as the mock up during in training and when we are doing our drills and commands in the classroom we are never "panicked"...its all very sterile! But I know in reality the fear could kick in and that mixed with adrenaline who knows what could happen?

We all hope we remain professional to the end but then we never really do believe deep down that it could "happen to us"! Personally if it were to occur to me I think Id prefer to be in a BA038 style incident where there was literally no warning and many of the crew didnt even realise what had happened until after the plane had stopped then say this Virgin incident where the crew clearly had time to think it over in their head even if it was just a short time in the air!!!!

But all the same well done to the crew! An evacuation is the LAST thing you want, there will always be injuries (and my god on an MCO? All those kids and golden oldies off to their retirement homes!) and it sounds like they managed to keep it low!



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 105, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 4955 times:

Here is a video from Boeing of an evacuation run. As you can see lots of people leaving the slides quickly and FA's giving some pushes to get pax out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDUv1qhYoo


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9001 posts, RR: 75
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 11):
Do passenger aircraft have fire suppression systems in the holds? How effective are these in general? Is an emergency landing and evacuation still required even if by all signs the fire is out?

1) Yes
2) Effective against fires that require oxygen, they are not effective against fore that do not need oxygen, such as those which are a product of a chemical reaction which produces oxygen. The system work by flooding the hold with inert gas.
3) No, it is up to the crew. The fire maybe out, that does not however put the aircraft out of danger, with an overweight landing there is still a possibility of a brake fire.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 34):
I don't believe the A330 has a fuel dump system, only the A340.

The fuel jettison system is optional on A330s, I have only seen it on A330-200s which have the additional 30t centre tank. The A330 can be autoland up to 229 t, the normal maximum landing weight is 189t.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 64):
you immediately land at the nearest suitable airport ASAP (not just where it's convenient)

The key word is suitable, that does not mean the nearest.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 87):
However, why did the fuse plugs release? That normally only happens during unusually heavy braking such as a high speed RTO.

It just comes back to kinetic energy. if for example they planning to land at their destination slightly below MLW, their takeoff weight would have been around 225t. If they used 5t of fuel after takeoff, the energy difference between the overweight landing, and planned landing is around 40% higher, with no additional runway.

At around 220t, the approach speed would be around 154 kt (79 m/s), at 185t, the approach speed would be around 142 kt (73 m/s).

So for the overweight landing, the kinetic energy that the brakes need to absorb is around 686 MJ, and for the normal landing around 492 MJ, the overweight landing is around 40% energy to absorb when landing on the same length of landing.

It looks like they decided to use medium autobrake, which is is a regulated deceleration rate of 3 m/s^2, normally low autobrake is used which is 1.8 m/s^2. The higher deceleration rate would have been selected to stop the aircraft in the available distance.



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 76):
As crew myself I acknowledged that VS training is up there with the rest and my comment about the VS crew stereotype is pretty much fact..... Both within crew circles and the wider public. Think back to Pam Ann and the VS ad and you will see what I mean. Now of course I agree that looks shouldn't matter but looks and stereotype do sometimes influence people's perceptions. My question was whether the VS stereotype/perception maybe a factor?

Oh please.

Good to see everyone off safe. As for the crew, they appear to have done their jobs impeccably, crew are taught to shove passengers off at any sign of hesitation so a few injuries are expected.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 107):
Oh please.

Good to see everyone off safe. As for the crew, they appear to have done their jobs impeccably, crew are taught to shove passengers off at any sign of hesitation so a few injuries are expected.

Here here !!!

At last some un-bias reporting by Sky News, in which CEO Steve Rideway is interviewed and said there were pax's asking him to thank the crew and captain !!

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16209659



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Maybe those VS passengers should look at this video and take note of all the shouting....and this wasnt even a real emergency!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6h-jP05tc&feature=related



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 109):
Maybe those VS passengers should look at this video and take note of all the shouting....and this wasnt even a real emergency!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6h-...lated

What a fantastic video ! Thanks Tonystan, sometimes I feel pax's should be shown videos like this. It has always annoyed me during safety demos, be it video or manual when pax's don't watch and listen to the crew - even when your pointing out their exit !



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

A fantastic article from VS's 'Flying Without Fear Programme', employees from this programme were with the evacuated pax's on their flight to MCO the next day !

http://virginfwf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/vs27-special-blog.html

It's nice to hear that not all passenger reaction was as the press reported !



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3580 times:
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Quoting virgincrew (Reply 111):
A fantastic article from VS's 'Flying Without Fear Programme', employees from this programme were with the evacuated pax's on their flight to MCO the next day !

Very well put rebuke to the tabloid journalism we saw over the course of Monday and Tuesday.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3049 posts, RR: 7
Reply 113, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 101):
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 100):
So when you have to be firm (like you sometimes have to be) when it comes to safety, passengers think you are being rude as all they see is customer service personnel.

That's mind boggling to me. If I'm on that aircraft, I'm thinking, "This plane might be on fire," and I'm probably thrilled to see the crew reacting quickly and getting the doors open. I want out. Yell that to me all you want. The fact that the "attitude" of the crew even enters anyone's mind is what I don't understand. I would have a one-track mind at that point.

Does anybody remember British Air Tours 28M? AF358 had a happier ending but also called for aggressiveness on the part of the F/As. Darn right the Flight Attendants should be aggressive getting people off the plane.

The thing that angers me about this kind of stuff is that same people complaining that the F/As yelled at them, are the same ones who'd be complaining "but they didn't do enough to help us" if they weren't. Some people just like to complain and be miserable.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 113):
The thing that angers me about this kind of stuff is that same people complaining that the F/As yelled at them,

They are probably the same people who grab their handbaggage when told to evacuate or worse....switch their phone back on and start filming!! LOL!



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User currently offlineRebelDJ From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 3416 times:

I see the aircraft was back in service yesterday (according to data.flight24.com)

VIR75P seen @ 2012-04-19 22:33 CET on route from MAN to MCO


User currently offlineRebelDJ From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

All down to false indications, it seems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17788627


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 117, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 104):
What exactly did the passengers expect?

A nice stereotypical British composure with a "Tally-Ho out you go" and a glass of brandy to be placed in their hand the moment they descended from the slide?

Yes! That's a great idea. It's a British airline landing in England. It would buck people's spirits up and make humour of the whole thing.

I always like a small glass of brandy when I get stressed out.  


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 118, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Quoting Heathrow757 (Reply 68):
but my Bro's friend was on board and she said that their was a rapid descent followed by the landing then the words 'evacuate, evacuate, evacuate', there weren't any flames but a lot of smoke
Quoting RebelDJ (Reply 116):
All down to false indications, it seems

I was wondering how only one report mentioned smoke in the cabin.


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1273 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting RebelDJ (Reply 115):
I see the aircraft was back in service yesterday (according to data.flight24.com)

VIR75P seen @ 2012-04-19 22:33 CET on route from MAN to MCO

That was actually the positioning flight from LGW to MAN, but G-VSXY is indeed currently operating the VS075 from MAN to MCO, its first passenger flight since Monday.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting RebelDJ (Reply 116):
All down to false indications, it seems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...88627

About time VS released a statement in defence of their crew !



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User currently offlineJetset7e7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 121, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 119):
That was actually the positioning flight from LGW to MAN, but G-VSXY is indeed currently operating the VS075 from MAN to MCO, its first passenger flight since Monday.

Correct positioned up from LGW to MAN a few hours later than scheduled due to Airbus giving it a late approval for flight.

G-VKSS operated the VS076 inbound then positioned back down to LGW as it was due to swap with G-VSXY on the night of the incident at MCO, as it was due for a line check.

I actually loaded the cargo on G-VSXY this morning prior to scheduled service, looked well, with a full set of new wheels on her

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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 111):

A fantastic article from VS's 'Flying Without Fear Programme', employees from this programme were with the evacuated pax's on their flight to MCO the next day !

http://virginfwf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/vs27-special-blog.html

It's nice to hear that not all passenger reaction was as the press reported !

Excellent piece, now if we can just send it to the press so they can remember to look at before jumping in on speculation about incidents like this.


User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Two more reports from The BBC, that appeared to be buried on their website .... in which VS released statements the day after the incident congratulating their crew !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17788627

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17741176



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

http://www.virgin.com/richard-branso...blog/the-best-crew-in-the-industry

Fantastic comments for the crew of this flight from Richard Branson !



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VS New Livery 747 Is At LGW Now posted Fri Sep 21 2007 11:22:49 by Speedmarque
Flybe E-175 At LGW Now... posted Fri Dec 23 2011 14:27:21 by LGWflyer
How Many BA A319's Based At LGW Now? posted Sat Dec 13 2008 02:59:50 by 8herveg
YAK42 At LGW Now posted Thu Jul 24 2008 12:02:14 by Bennett123
VS' A343 'G-VSUN' Now With Virgin Nigeria? posted Sun Mar 19 2006 21:05:36 by Concorde001
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
YAK42 At LGW Now posted Thu Jul 24 2008 12:02:14 by Bennett123
VS' A343 'G-VSUN' Now With Virgin Nigeria? posted Sun Mar 19 2006 21:05:36 by Concorde001
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
VS New Livery 747 Is At LGW Now posted Fri Sep 21 2007 11:22:49 by Speedmarque
Flybe E-175 At LGW Now... posted Fri Dec 23 2011 14:27:21 by LGWflyer
How Many BA A319's Based At LGW Now? posted Sat Dec 13 2008 02:59:50 by 8herveg
YAK42 At LGW Now posted Thu Jul 24 2008 12:02:14 by Bennett123
VS' A343 'G-VSUN' Now With Virgin Nigeria? posted Sun Mar 19 2006 21:05:36 by Concorde001
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
YAK42 At LGW Now posted Thu Jul 24 2008 12:02:14 by Bennett123
VS' A343 'G-VSUN' Now With Virgin Nigeria? posted Sun Mar 19 2006 21:05:36 by Concorde001
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
YAK42 At LGW Now posted Thu Jul 24 2008 12:02:14 by Bennett123
VS' A343 'G-VSUN' Now With Virgin Nigeria? posted Sun Mar 19 2006 21:05:36 by Concorde001
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
CVG Concourse Evacuation Right Now. posted Wed Sep 14 2005 04:44:22 by Jblake1
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
Incident At LGW Now!? posted Sun Apr 3 2005 22:56:14 by VS773ER
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
Loads For LH442/UA9196 (FRA-DTW) - April 16? posted Mon Apr 9 2007 14:00:21 by Nicogagne
AirTran Adds BWI-PBI-March 6 Through April 16 posted Fri Jan 5 2007 20:34:14 by KarlB737
What Is The Fate Of VS/BD/LGW As Open Skies Nears? posted Sat Nov 19 2005 18:05:30 by Concorde001
VS's Declining LGW Operation? posted Sun Jun 5 2005 00:39:20 by VS747SPUR
What's Happening In BOS April 16? posted Fri Mar 25 2005 15:33:59 by ACAfan
VS 17/18-April/May posted Tue Feb 15 2005 00:24:23 by PlaneMad
DAS Air Cargo And VS At LGW posted Sat Jul 24 2004 21:42:10 by Planesarecool
Wieeerd VS 744 @ LGW On Saturday posted Wed May 19 2004 00:29:05 by A340600