ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4143 times:
Is United abandoning Miami for the summer? I am looking for flights, MIA-EWR-MIA in June and August and there are none at all. FLL has nearly 10 flights/day, but MIA doesn't have any. What's the justification for this? Every EWR-MIA flight I've done this year (6 in all) has been completely booked.
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EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
You are jumping the gun...we fly EWR-MIA at least 3 times a day. Pulled up randoms dates in July and August and we definitely fly there. Not sure what website you are using. I checked united.com and found flights.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2167 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4054 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter): Is United abandoning Miami for the summer? I am looking for flights, MIA-EWR-MIA in June and August and there are none at all. FLL has nearly 10 flights/day, but MIA doesn't have any. What's the justification for this? Every EWR-MIA flight I've done this year (6 in all) has been completely booked.
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There must me some kind of error in the booking engine. MIA is showing the following schedule through most of the summer:
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3943 times:
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2): Will all of United's flights continue to operate out of G for the indefinite future?
I would imagine so, but I really wish they'd stop using the gate at the end of the pier for the 757-200s. It's so incredibly annoying with how long the walk is to/from that gate. It makes me hate MIA more and more every time I fly there.
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 4): There must me some kind of error in the booking engine. MIA is showing the following schedule through most of the summer:
Now that I searched their UA website, I see the same thing.
Interesting. It seems to depend which site you use. I finally tried United.com and found flights (I was searching 6/7 - 6/10). I am so used to using Kayak that I had only tried them (and the various other sites they search) and it had come up with nothing (even though it's supposed to crawl the United site).
Sorry for the sensationalist "OMG UA IS LEAVING MIA FOREVER!!!! WHYYYYYYY?!" nature to my opening post, haha.
Everything's kosher, it seems. I'll be able to fly UA when I come home for weekends!
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eastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3801 times:
IAD: 2x (CR7)[/quote]
When UA had their Latin American hub in MIA a few years back they used to fly here (IAD) with a combo of single aisle and widebodies. Now is down to CR7. Wow! ...
planeguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
I have noticed as of late that Kayak is returning no UA non-stop flights in markets that I know they operate. Not sure why, but it's happened 3x in the last few days.
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7160 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2): More interesting question: Will all of United's flights continue to operate out of G for the indefinite future?
'G' Is a dump . An embarrasment for a major US city.Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.
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COflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Just flew IAH-MIA-IAH last weekend to check out the Astros @ the new Marlins Park.
Terminal G is disgusting. My wife told me that there were roaches climbing on the changing table in the women's room. She literally ran out of the bathroom gagging and she isn't a girlie-girl.
Hadn't been to MIA in years and was completely surprised by Terminal G. Not a good first impression at all.
MAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2274 times:
How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector? A lot of people on here say how the flights are always full, there is a ton of O&D and the yields are awesome. Why wouldn't UA enter. I could see them running 3-4 daily MIA-LAX flights and 2-3 daily MIA-SFO flights.
JasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 251 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
well, because nobody else wants to fly it. Delta tried it and failed. That tells me it may not be as good as people think it is. Just because it's an anecdotally "full" flight does not mean it's a profitable flight. HOw do you know the yields? These are things that airlines look at all time. If it were a good opportunity, and if it were better/ more profitable/ more strategic than other routes on offer, other airlines would probably be on the route.
Quoting MAV88 (Reply 12): How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector? A lot of people on here say how the flights are always full, there is a ton of O&D and the yields are awesome. Why wouldn't UA enter. I could see them running 3-4 daily MIA-LAX flights and 2-3 daily MIA-SFO flights.
dlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 354 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 13): well, because nobody else wants to fly it. Delta tried it and failed. That tells me it may not be as good as people think it is. Just because it's an anecdotally "full" flight does not mean it's a profitable flight. HOw do you know the yields? These are things that airlines look at all time. If it were a good opportunity, and if it were better/ more profitable/ more strategic than other routes on offer, other airlines would probably be on the route.
DL is still on LAX-MIA Its still a red eye flt on a 738,and every time i look up the flt its always around a 90% LF.....
JasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 251 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1906 times:
fair enough. I was mistaken. I thought they had pulled it along with LHRMIA. That said, my point still stands. Just because a flight is full does not mean it's making money or that yields are good. DL is most likely using this flight as a utilization flight - they are essentially late night and / or redeyes both ways so it doesnt cost them a lot to fly it, ie, they're not giving up more profitable day time opportunities to fly the flight.
Airlines look at opportunities such as these all the time. Where it makes sense both strategically and from a profit perspective, they will add flights, assuming that they're not giving up a more strategically important or profitable opportunity elsewhere.
The fact that airlines such as UA are not swarming to the route suggests that this would not be a good use of their resources.
Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 14): DL is still on LAX-MIA Its still a red eye flt on a 738,and every time i look up the flt its always around a 90% LF.....
eastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
I am sure this question has been asked before. I just cannot remember if it was discussed. If UA wanted to reopen MIA as a Latam hub could they re live it rather easily? (since they operated routes out of MIA to GIG, GRU, EZE, LIM MVD & SCL I am sure I am leaving some out) How hard would it be to set shop again there? Could they regain the authorities? Would the govt grant them? I think of this especially now with a "weakened by Chapter 11" AA. Of course not only would they need the aircraft for long haul (they may not have) and would have to start domestic feeder flights. Just a question...
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
Quoting eastern023 (Reply 16): I am sure this question has been asked before. I just cannot remember if it was discussed. If UA wanted to reopen MIA as a Latam hub could they re live it rather easily? (since they operated routes out of MIA to GIG, GRU, EZE, LIM MVD & SCL I am sure I am leaving some out) How hard would it be to set shop again there? Could they regain the authorities? Would the govt grant them? I think of this especially now with a "weakened by Chapter 11" AA. Of course not only would they need the aircraft for long haul (they may not have) and would have to start domestic feeder flights. Just a question...
I would love to see this. They used to have IIRC, concourse F to themselves. Can they still sublet that area if they wanted to?
These days UA has a bigger presence at FLL combined with United Express ops.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 15): Just because a flight is full does not mean it's making money or that yields are good.
AA runs two daily 3-class flights most of the year on this route for a reason.
The reason it's just AA and DL from MIA is very simple: VX, B6, and NK opt to serve the market 15 miles north from FLL; and even AA has a daily FLLLAX in addition to the eight daily MIALAX.
15 daily flights, five airlines. It's a very competitive and well served market.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
Quoting United_fan (Reply 10): Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.
Just to clarify... that's not MIA staff you're talking about, rather UA's MIA staff.
Quoting MAV88 (Reply 12): How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector?
I think at some point UA may re-introduce flights from SFO and LAX to MIA, especially SFO since UA is as strong in SFO as AA is in MIA (roughly speaking).
JasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 251 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1636 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): AA runs two daily 3-class flights most of the year on this route for a reason.
Most likely it's called aircraft utilization - they need somewhere to fly the planes between deep south america and / or Asia runs from LAX. It's better from a cash / operations standpoint than leaving the aircraft sitting in Miami and /or LAX all day, and delivers a cash return. This doesnt say anything about whether they are profitable or whether they are filling these flights with paid pax, upgrade pax or pax transiting to/ from deep South America.
the below is probably the better answer
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): The reason it's just AA and DL from MIA is very simple: VX, B6, and NK opt to serve the market 15 miles north from FLL; and even AA has a daily FLLLAX in addition to the eight daily MIALAX.
15 daily flights, five airlines. It's a very competitive and well served market.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 20): Most likely it's called aircraft utilization - they need somewhere to fly the planes between deep south america and / or Asia runs from LAX. It's better from a cash / operations standpoint than leaving the aircraft sitting in Miami and /or LAX all day, and delivers a cash return. This doesnt say anything about whether they are profitable or whether they are filling these flights with paid pax, upgrade pax or pax transiting to/ from deep South America.
It's actually called the entertainment industry, which wants a small F cabin on the route, is a major industry customer for AA, and AA responds to it's request. If it was purely aircraft utilization, then the plane would be sold as 2-class and AA would not bother with the extra catering and staffing, like on MIAORD, MIAJFK, DFWORD and even EWRLAX. MIALAX is a strong premium market.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 19): I think at some point UA may re-introduce flights from SFO and LAX to MIA, especially SFO since UA is as strong in SFO as AA is in MIA (roughly speaking).
Resuming SFO is extremely likely, IMO, as I see UA building back up SFO-East flyin; LAX I wouldn't be as sure about.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2967 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6): I would imagine so, but I really wish they'd stop using the gate at the end of the pier for the 757-200s. It's so incredibly annoying with how long the walk is to/from that gate. It makes me hate MIA more and more every time I fly there.
G19? There's one gate right next to it—I think it's G14—that has the longest jet bridge I've ever had the misfortune of using. It almost feels like a maze.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17): I would love to see this. They used to have IIRC, concourse F to themselves. Can they still sublet that area if they wanted to?
I'm nitpicking here, but MIA is entirely common-use. No airline holds leases on any gates, so all they'd really have to do is ask the aviation department to move them to F. I think an eventual move to J is more likely once LA/LP/4M/XL go to the North Terminal.
I found a 1990s-vintage UA gate board lying behind Gate F8 nearly two years after UA left the concourse. It's now hanging in my room.
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 20): Most likely it's called aircraft utilization
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21): If it was purely aircraft utilization, then the plane would be sold as 2-class and AA would not bother with the extra catering and staffing
I flew MIA-LAX in February on a 762.
Given how inefficient those things are they surely wouldn't use them for utilization on a low-yielding route. Rather the fact that they can justify a 762 with the three class Flagship service would strongly imply that the route is fairly high yielding, at least for AA. After all they didn't introduce three class service to MIA but not ORD or IAD just for fun!
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7160 posts, RR: 8 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1080 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 19): Quoting United_fan (Reply 10):
Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.
Just to clarify... that's not MIA staff you're talking about, rather UA's MIA staff.
Yes,I stand corrected.
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