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UA At MIA, Summer 2012  
User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3292 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
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Is United abandoning Miami for the summer? I am looking for flights, MIA-EWR-MIA in June and August and there are none at all. FLL has nearly 10 flights/day, but MIA doesn't have any. What's the justification for this? Every EWR-MIA flight I've done this year (6 in all) has been completely booked.

TIS


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter):
Every EWR-MIA flight I've done this year (6 in all) has been completely booked.

Me too , flew EWR-MIA-EWR 1st week of April ,752 down,A320 back . 90+% LF. Must be a typo.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Most definitely a mistake. United will never stop flying EWR-MIA.

More interesting question: Will all of United's flights continue to operate out of G for the indefinite future?


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter):
Is United abandoning Miami for the summer?

That would be, no, we are not.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter):
What's the justification for this?

You are jumping the gun...we fly EWR-MIA at least 3 times a day. Pulled up randoms dates in July and August and we definitely fly there. Not sure what website you are using. I checked united.com and found flights.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter):
Is United abandoning Miami for the summer? I am looking for flights, MIA-EWR-MIA in June and August and there are none at all. FLL has nearly 10 flights/day, but MIA doesn't have any. What's the justification for this? Every EWR-MIA flight I've done this year (6 in all) has been completely booked.

TIS

There must me some kind of error in the booking engine. MIA is showing the following schedule through most of the summer:

EWR: 6x (737/757/320)
IAH: 4x (737)
ORD: 2x (CR7/E70)
IAD: 2x (CR7)


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Pre-merger and MIA was not a year round mainline station for UA. I think CO had a year round presence though.

What days are you looking at? I picked Jun 5 and Jun 20 and see a lot of mainline flights.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3292 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
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Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2):
Will all of United's flights continue to operate out of G for the indefinite future?

I would imagine so, but I really wish they'd stop using the gate at the end of the pier for the 757-200s. It's so incredibly annoying with how long the walk is to/from that gate. It makes me hate MIA more and more every time I fly there.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
That would be, no, we are not.

Good. That's what I was hoping to hear.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 4):
There must me some kind of error in the booking engine. MIA is showing the following schedule through most of the summer:

Now that I searched their UA website, I see the same thing.

Interesting. It seems to depend which site you use. I finally tried United.com and found flights (I was searching 6/7 - 6/10). I am so used to using Kayak that I had only tried them (and the various other sites they search) and it had come up with nothing (even though it's supposed to crawl the United site).

Sorry for the sensationalist "OMG UA IS LEAVING MIA FOREVER!!!! WHYYYYYYY?!" nature to my opening post, haha.

Everything's kosher, it seems. I'll be able to fly UA when I come home for weekends!

TIS



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

IAD: 2x (CR7)[/quote]

When UA had their Latin American hub in MIA a few years back they used to fly here (IAD) with a combo of single aisle and widebodies. Now is down to CR7. Wow! ...



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 7):

There is some major seasonal variation for UA at MIA.

For instance next week IAD-MIA-IAD sees a 757 in addition to 2x 757, 1x 320, and several 737s to EWR.

Plus the timetable on UA.com isn't exactly true to what is offered when you do a flight search -- in my experience.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

I have noticed as of late that Kayak is returning no UA non-stop flights in markets that I know they operate. Not sure why, but it's happened 3x in the last few days.


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2):
More interesting question: Will all of United's flights continue to operate out of G for the indefinite future?

'G' Is a dump . An embarrasment for a major US city.Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Just flew IAH-MIA-IAH last weekend to check out the Astros @ the new Marlins Park.

Terminal G is disgusting. My wife told me that there were roaches climbing on the changing table in the women's room. She literally ran out of the bathroom gagging and she isn't a girlie-girl.

Hadn't been to MIA in years and was completely surprised by Terminal G. Not a good first impression at all.


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector? A lot of people on here say how the flights are always full, there is a ton of O&D and the yields are awesome. Why wouldn't UA enter. I could see them running 3-4 daily MIA-LAX flights and 2-3 daily MIA-SFO flights.

User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 282 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

well, because nobody else wants to fly it. Delta tried it and failed. That tells me it may not be as good as people think it is. Just because it's an anecdotally "full" flight does not mean it's a profitable flight. HOw do you know the yields? These are things that airlines look at all time. If it were a good opportunity, and if it were better/ more profitable/ more strategic than other routes on offer, other airlines would probably be on the route.

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 12):
How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector? A lot of people on here say how the flights are always full, there is a ton of O&D and the yields are awesome. Why wouldn't UA enter. I could see them running 3-4 daily MIA-LAX flights and 2-3 daily MIA-SFO flights.


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 13):
well, because nobody else wants to fly it. Delta tried it and failed. That tells me it may not be as good as people think it is. Just because it's an anecdotally "full" flight does not mean it's a profitable flight. HOw do you know the yields? These are things that airlines look at all time. If it were a good opportunity, and if it were better/ more profitable/ more strategic than other routes on offer, other airlines would probably be on the route.

DL is still on LAX-MIA Its still a red eye flt on a 738,and every time i look up the flt its always around a 90% LF.....


User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 282 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

fair enough. I was mistaken. I thought they had pulled it along with LHRMIA. That said, my point still stands. Just because a flight is full does not mean it's making money or that yields are good. DL is most likely using this flight as a utilization flight - they are essentially late night and / or redeyes both ways so it doesnt cost them a lot to fly it, ie, they're not giving up more profitable day time opportunities to fly the flight.
Airlines look at opportunities such as these all the time. Where it makes sense both strategically and from a profit perspective, they will add flights, assuming that they're not giving up a more strategically important or profitable opportunity elsewhere.
The fact that airlines such as UA are not swarming to the route suggests that this would not be a good use of their resources.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 14):
DL is still on LAX-MIA Its still a red eye flt on a 738,and every time i look up the flt its always around a 90% LF.....


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

I am sure this question has been asked before. I just cannot remember if it was discussed. If UA wanted to reopen MIA as a Latam hub could they re live it rather easily? (since they operated routes out of MIA to GIG, GRU, EZE, LIM MVD & SCL I am sure I am leaving some out) How hard would it be to set shop again there? Could they regain the authorities? Would the govt grant them? I think of this especially now with a "weakened by Chapter 11" AA. Of course not only would they need the aircraft for long haul (they may not have) and would have to start domestic feeder flights. Just a question...


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 16):
I am sure this question has been asked before. I just cannot remember if it was discussed. If UA wanted to reopen MIA as a Latam hub could they re live it rather easily? (since they operated routes out of MIA to GIG, GRU, EZE, LIM MVD & SCL I am sure I am leaving some out) How hard would it be to set shop again there? Could they regain the authorities? Would the govt grant them? I think of this especially now with a "weakened by Chapter 11" AA. Of course not only would they need the aircraft for long haul (they may not have) and would have to start domestic feeder flights. Just a question...

I would love to see this. They used to have IIRC, concourse F to themselves. Can they still sublet that area if they wanted to?

These days UA has a bigger presence at FLL combined with United Express ops.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 15):
Just because a flight is full does not mean it's making money or that yields are good.
AA runs two daily 3-class flights most of the year on this route for a reason.

The reason it's just AA and DL from MIA is very simple: VX, B6, and NK opt to serve the market 15 miles north from FLL; and even AA has a daily FLLLAX in addition to the eight daily MIALAX.

15 daily flights, five airlines. It's a very competitive and well served market.

[Edited 2012-04-18 11:33:56]


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 10):
Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.

Just to clarify... that's not MIA staff you're talking about, rather UA's MIA staff.

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 12):
How is AA allowed to have essentially a monopoly on the highly profitable and very busy MIA-LAX sector?

I think at some point UA may re-introduce flights from SFO and LAX to MIA, especially SFO since UA is as strong in SFO as AA is in MIA (roughly speaking).


User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 282 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
AA runs two daily 3-class flights most of the year on this route for a reason.

Most likely it's called aircraft utilization - they need somewhere to fly the planes between deep south america and / or Asia runs from LAX. It's better from a cash / operations standpoint than leaving the aircraft sitting in Miami and /or LAX all day, and delivers a cash return. This doesnt say anything about whether they are profitable or whether they are filling these flights with paid pax, upgrade pax or pax transiting to/ from deep South America.


the below is probably the better answer

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The reason it's just AA and DL from MIA is very simple: VX, B6, and NK opt to serve the market 15 miles north from FLL; and even AA has a daily FLLLAX in addition to the eight daily MIALAX.

15 daily flights, five airlines. It's a very competitive and well served market.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (2 years 23 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 20):
Most likely it's called aircraft utilization - they need somewhere to fly the planes between deep south america and / or Asia runs from LAX. It's better from a cash / operations standpoint than leaving the aircraft sitting in Miami and /or LAX all day, and delivers a cash return. This doesnt say anything about whether they are profitable or whether they are filling these flights with paid pax, upgrade pax or pax transiting to/ from deep South America.

It's actually called the entertainment industry, which wants a small F cabin on the route, is a major industry customer for AA, and AA responds to it's request. If it was purely aircraft utilization, then the plane would be sold as 2-class and AA would not bother with the extra catering and staffing, like on MIAORD, MIAJFK, DFWORD and even EWRLAX. MIALAX is a strong premium market.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
I think at some point UA may re-introduce flights from SFO and LAX to MIA, especially SFO since UA is as strong in SFO as AA is in MIA (roughly speaking).

Resuming SFO is extremely likely, IMO, as I see UA building back up SFO-East flyin; LAX I wouldn't be as sure about.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
I would imagine so, but I really wish they'd stop using the gate at the end of the pier for the 757-200s. It's so incredibly annoying with how long the walk is to/from that gate. It makes me hate MIA more and more every time I fly there.

G19? There's one gate right next to it—I think it's G14—that has the longest jet bridge I've ever had the misfortune of using. It almost feels like a maze.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 17):
I would love to see this. They used to have IIRC, concourse F to themselves. Can they still sublet that area if they wanted to?

I'm nitpicking here, but MIA is entirely common-use. No airline holds leases on any gates, so all they'd really have to do is ask the aviation department to move them to F. I think an eventual move to J is more likely once LA/LP/4M/XL go to the North Terminal.

I found a 1990s-vintage UA gate board lying behind Gate F8 nearly two years after UA left the concourse. It's now hanging in my room.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 20):
Most likely it's called aircraft utilization
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
If it was purely aircraft utilization, then the plane would be sold as 2-class and AA would not bother with the extra catering and staffing

I flew MIA-LAX in February on a 762.

Given how inefficient those things are they surely wouldn't use them for utilization on a low-yielding route. Rather the fact that they can justify a 762 with the three class Flagship service would strongly imply that the route is fairly high yielding, at least for AA. After all they didn't introduce three class service to MIA but not ORD or IAD just for fun!



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I think the 772 may be a more valid candidate for the aircraft utilization argument, but AA uses their 762 fleet exclusively on high-yield transcons.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 10):
Dont get me started on UA's check-in counters and surly staff @ MIA.Next time I'll fly to FLL.

Just to clarify... that's not MIA staff you're talking about, rather UA's MIA staff.

Yes,I stand corrected.



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