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Spirit Continues Expansion With DFW To PDX  
User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Spirit announced today that it will fly once daily between DFW and PDX. Interesting that Spirit is now starting to connect some of its west coast markets to DFW with both SAN and now PDX. What will be next? ORD-OAK? DFW-LAX?

http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=665198

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Thread starter):
Spirit announced today that it will fly once daily between DFW and PDX. Interesting that Spirit is now starting to connect some of its west coast markets to DFW with both SAN and now PDX. What will be next? ORD-OAK? DFW-LAX?

B6 just dropped ORD-LGB. Could be ORD-OAK, but I think NK must be getting real traction in DFW. They have pulled back on new stuff at LAS and ORD, but not at DFW. I think they will zero in even more on DFW for their expansion. They threw a bunch of stuff against the wall and the DFW stuff is sticking.


User currently offlinemiguel0881 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

They're also advertising the resumption of DCA-MYR service from June-August, although this year it appears to be a single weekly flight on Saturday afternoon. What's the point of this? The fares are low -- under $150 r/t a/i. Is this just a token flight to maintain a slot/route?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5595 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8394 times:

Kind of interesting to me that NK skipped over OAK from DFW. I don't believe anyone flys between those 2 cities these days, right? Maybe they've stayed away from Dallas to the Bay Area and LA because of VX? (Doubtful but still...)

Horrible times -- red-eye both ways -- but then we've come to expect that from our friends at Spirit. Hope the route does well.

bb

[Edited 2012-04-18 09:24:47]

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 just dropped ORD-LGB. Could be ORD-OAK, but I think NK must be getting real traction in DFW. They have pulled back on new stuff at LAS and ORD, but not at DFW. I think they will zero in even more on DFW for their expansion. They threw a bunch of stuff against the wall and the DFW stuff is sticking.

Probably a by-product of AA's fortress hub and the Wright Amendment that's holding down WN at DAL. Many price sensitive customers have put up with AA's "take it or leave it" pricing leverage for years (same as UA@IAH or DL@DTW), so they're ripe for the picking by NK (no matter how penny-pinching they are).

I can somewhat envision a 3-way battle of AA/WN/NK after 2014 when Wright Amendment goes away. Sure AA would still have majority market share, but average fares would come down a lot.


User currently onlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

How many gates does NK have at DFW for the 14 destinations they serve?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5595 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
Probably a by-product of AA's fortress hub and the Wright Amendment that's holding down WN at DAL. Many price sensitive customers have put up with AA's "take it or leave it" pricing leverage for years (same as UA@IAH or DL@DTW), so they're ripe for the picking by NK (no matter how penny-pinching they are).

No doubt. Since DL abandoned their hub at DFW years ago, there has really been no competition at all for AA. Along with AA's other issues these days, it was inevitable that someone would do this -- and here we are!

It's another case where good old VX could have done this -- expanded from DFW to many of their existing stations -- and probably made a similar killing. But of course, if LAX or SFO ain't at one end of the flight, Mr. Cush just isn't interested...

Go for it, Spirit!

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
I can somewhat envision a 3-way battle of AA/WN/NK after 2014 when Wright Amendment goes away. Sure AA would still have majority market share, but average fares would come down a lot.

That funny.

There is goin to be no battle involving Spirit. NK has made it clear it doesn't want to enter markets to dump capacity or start fare wars. It simply finds markets with good average fares where it can fill a plane, and enters them with a daily flight or two. Interestingly enough, NK's business model and low customer service standards, while obviously working profits, have been polarizing enough that, combined with the fact NK doesn't do capacity dumps,
it makes the effect of lowering fares often negligible.



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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

I don't know how many gates NK has at DFW, but it seems there is considerable room for expansion in the E concourse. Some have speculated that the renovation of the E remote terminal may in fact be for NK. Considering that NK runs as many destinations out of ORD as DFW and does so with only 2 gates at ORD, I'd say they have plenty of room to grow at DFW.

User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

Spirit uses 4 gates at DFW, E17, 21, 31, and 34. I too am very surprised that LAX and OAK have not been announced. I'm guessing there is a method behind their some times seemingly random choices of route additions.

User currently onlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 9):
I'm guessing there is a method behind their some times seemingly random choices of route additions.

Looking at the AA schedule, they don't have anywhere near as many overnight flights from the west coast to DFW as they used to. And they cut back on ORD flights in general, too. Out of places like PDX, the overnight options for connections east are limited.



Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
B6 just dropped ORD-LGB.

Are they slowly pulling out of LGB altogether?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Wow, PDX would be their 15th market from DFW. Impressive

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
They threw a bunch of stuff against the wall and the DFW stuff is sticking.

Yeah I think for now there is a definite niche of folks in the Dallas area that Spirit can appeal to.

Certainly helps that AA is a bit distracted at the moment, while SWA is hamstrung as to what it can do at DAL.

Also helps that DFW airport seems to have welcomes NK with open arms with incentive packages ready for the taking on new routes.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 10):
Are they slowly pulling out of LGB altogether?

No not at all. B6 actually continues to grow its slot portfolio at LGB. It has repositioned LGB into more a West Coast shorthaul network, with the longer haul stuff moved up to LAX.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently onlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

I am assuming the new TCL will arrive into D at DFW, but will the outbound depart from E?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Oh and for those that say NK should do LA and SF from DFW, I’m not sure those fit the model that well. The average fares to LA/SF are already down 30% thanks to VX in recent years.

In comparison announced markets like SAN and now PDX have higher average fares.

For example from DFW.
LAX – $198 / $16.0 cents/mile
SFO – $232 / $15.8 cents/mile

SAN – $252 / $21.4cents/mile
PDX - $290 / $17.9cents/mile


Per a presentation I have one of their market litmus test is the ability to profitably serve a markets by earning >25% lower revenue per pax over existing carriers while also stimulating potential demand up to 50%.

LA/SF area already have pretty decent low fares, so NK would really have to low ball stuff, and even then how much more can they stimulate demand? Might simply not be worth it, with other relative overpriced markets still ripe for the picking instead.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5595 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 9):
I too am very surprised that LAX and OAK have not been announced. I'm guessing there is a method behind their some times seemingly random choices of route additions.


Thinking about NK and their w/c growth so far, and recalling how they started out here (on the left coast from Vegas), I'm willing to bet that OAK will be announced soon, perhaps even with the same 6/21 start date as SAN and PDX. Remember that last June, Spirit had a whole rash of separate new-route announcements -- they started with LAS-PDX on 6/20, then on 6/22 they announced LAS-OAK, and a day later, LAS-SAN was disclosed. (And they announced some ORD-expansion on the 21st I believe.) Seems similar this round although things are a bit more spread out.

DFW-LAX I'm not sure about. I mentioned earlier that maybe VX is affecting NK somehow in that potential market. Of a lot of these probable DFW markets in the far west, I think LAX (plus SFO and SEA) are the only ones with anyone but AA on the route; LA is the only one of those that NK serves.

Just to be clear, I have never thought that NK is after AA's client-base out of DFW and I'm sure whatever Spirit does there will not really impact AA at all. However, for all these new NK markets, at least there is now a choice for those wanting or needing to fly to/from Dallas. And I think Spirit should and will do very well in their niche.

Speaking of the bad timing of the DFW-PDX-DFW times, I am so glad that SAN has our 11:30p-6:30a curfew in place, making it very difficult for a carrier like NK to schedule flights as they gave PDX. Phew! (Of course the PDX service is pretty much getting free aircraft time as the r/t is using a DFW RON plane. As long as they can get pax to fly at those times, it's a win-win for Spirit.)

bb


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
Probably a by-product of AA's fortress hub and the Wright Amendment that's holding down WN at DAL.

A very smart analysis. I agree. The whole reason NK makes money is that AA doesn't match them. They will do fine until that happens...

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
I can somewhat envision a 3-way battle of AA/WN/NK after 2014 when Wright Amendment goes away. Sure AA would still have majority market share, but average fares would come down a lot.

...and that is when it probably stops. If AA matches WN at DFW once WN can fly everywhere, it will impact NK quite a bit.

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 9):
I too am very surprised that LAX and OAK have not been announced. I'm guessing there is a method behind their some times seemingly random choices of route additions.

It's not madness, it's VX. They have obviously avoided competing with them. There is a reason. While AA has ignored NK, they have not ignored VX and have had a price war with VX. There is much less benefit for customers to NK entering those markets than the other markets they've added. That makes it less attractive to NK.

I don't think NK would avoid competing with VX in a normal situation.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7658 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
There is goin to be no battle involving Spirit. NK has made it clear it doesn't want to enter markets to dump capacity or start fare wars. It simply finds markets with good average fares where it can fill a plane, and enters them with a daily flight or two. Interestingly enough, NK's business model and low customer service standards, while obviously working profits, have been polarizing enough that, combined with the fact NK doesn't do capacity dumps,
it makes the effect of lowering fares often negligible.

They don't even have to dump capacity to lower fares. Just having ANY competitor to keep AA's prices honest is already enough to bring down average fares.

IAH has some of the highest prices per distance thanks to no one keeping CO (now UA) in check. Or go look at ATL. Any route that DL has a monopoly commands higher CPM compared to those they compete with AirTran (now WN).

And all this is before WN goes on massive expansion upon Wright Amendment repeal. Good luck guarding the last castle standing, as the moat is shrinking.


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 16):
And all this is before WN goes on massive expansion upon Wright Amendment repeal. Good luck guarding the last castle standing, as the moat is shrinking.

Yes- just like WN is going to destory UA @ IAH with their international buildup? LOL - Their 20 gates @ DAL aren't going to get them far.

As far as NK opening DFW-PDX - well ... lets just say AA has 99 problems but NK aint one!



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 17):
Yes- just like WN is going to destory UA @ IAH with their international buildup? LOL - Their 20 gates @ DAL aren't going to get them far.

Just running flights to the 20 biggest business markets and/or WN hubs out of DAL is enough to give AA a headache.

DAL is 6.5 miles from Dallas city center compared to 23 miles for DFW. That's closer than LGA going to midtown Manhattan. The convenience factor cannot be ignored.

This ostrich mentality is exactly how AA lost NYC.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2240 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7169 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
...and that is when it probably stops. If AA matches WN at DFW once WN can fly everywhere, it will impact NK quite a bit.

That's largely contingent upon WN's average fare being lower than AA's. The way things are trending, WN really is not the low-fare carrier it once used to be...

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
It's not madness, it's VX. They have obviously avoided competing with them. There is a reason. While AA has ignored NK, they have not ignored VX and have had a price war with VX. There is much less benefit for customers to NK entering those markets than the other markets they've added. That makes it less attractive to NK.

Right. AA has far more to lose in a battle against VX than NK; therefore, it is willing to put up a fight.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 17):

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 16):
And all this is before WN goes on massive expansion upon Wright Amendment repeal. Good luck guarding the last castle standing, as the moat is shrinking.

Yes- just like WN is going to destory UA @ IAH with their international buildup? LOL - Their 20 gates @ DAL aren't going to get them far.

There is enough room for both UA and WN to compete at IAH/HOU and AA and WN to compete at DFW/DAL. The population growth metrics + business ties in each of these cities are sizable enough to support each operation.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
DAL is 6.5 miles from Dallas city center compared to 23 miles for DFW. That's closer than LGA going to midtown Manhattan. The convenience factor cannot be ignored.

The distance to downtown isn't the only relevant factor here. In fact, I'd say is fairly negligible. If that were the case, then MDW would be the dominant airport in Chicago, when everyone knows that the larger and more important one is ORD.

For one, the airport has to be centrally located in a way that the entire MSA can access it with ease. Sans for the obnoxious construction going on the north side of the airport, DFW airport is also far more easily accessible than Love Field, because it is reached by tons of freeways. DAL, on the other hand, is a pain in the rear to get to, even though it's closer to downtown.

Two, DFW caters to an entirely different city IN ADDITION to Dallas, along with its respective suburbs, and mid-cities like Arlington and Denton. The convenience factor of DAL for those people is non-applicable.

Three, many business are located all over the North Texas metro-plex, not just downtown, and hence business traffic is headed to points all over the place, including the suburbs of Dallas, Ft. Worth and the mid-cities.

There are also a few more things that come into play, such as the proximity of the airport to the more affluent neighborhoods where disposable income is higher, and therefore likelihood of travel is higher.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
This ostrich mentality is exactly how AA lost NYC.

NYC is a different breed because more or less all business traffic is headed towards Manhattan. That's really not the case for any other city in the US I believe.

Also, AA has not "lost" NYC. You keep on saying that over and over, but I don't want to get into a pi$$ing match over this again, because it's neither factual nor relevant to this discussion.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6962 times:

Hope they do well there! Great to see an LFC with flights to a meaningful number of cities from DFW. Should be good for consumers, regardless of the AA outcome.


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User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6929 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
DAL is 6.5 miles from Dallas city center compared to 23 miles for DFW. That's closer than LGA going to midtown Manhattan. The convenience factor cannot be ignored.

I've lived in Dallas for the last 27 years. Believe me - the difference between DFW and DAL is negligible. Also, the importance of downtown Dallas is very overstated - because everything here is so widely dispersed. Exxon Mobil's global headquarters, for example, are closer to DFW then DAL, as are BNSF, Citi, Nokia, Lockheed, and RadioShack.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
Yes- just like WN is going to destory UA @ IAH with their international buildup? LOL - Their 20 gates @ DAL aren't going to get them far.

There is enough room for both UA and WN to compete at IAH/HOU and AA and WN to compete at DFW/DAL.

Yes- agreed. I was being sarcastic about WN running UA out out of IAH  



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User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6775 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
DAL is 6.5 miles from Dallas city center compared to 23 miles for DFW. That's closer than LGA going to midtown Manhattan. The convenience factor cannot be ignored.

Serious question, have you been to The DFW metroplex before?


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Makes sense given the only competition is AA. Can't really see this hurting American as I imagine most of their PDX-DFW pax are connecting.

Interesting times @ PDX!



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Still waiting for NK to come to SEA. Seattle to Las Vegas would be saaaawwwweeeet!


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25 SkyCub : So with all of this growth, is there any more talk about the Terminal E Satellite re-opening? I ask that out of personal greed.... I would love to see
26 PDX88 : Has anyone seen the departure/arrival times between DFW-PDX? Arrives PDX 12:50a, and departs PDX at 12:40a? I'm guessing they will use the old RON a/c
27 HPRamper : So any kind of delay boarding means the inbound plane gets to sit on the tarmac. Superb idea.
28 pdx : They can use an empty gate at the end of "C" or "D" for their DFW arrival. There are at least 5 vacant ones at the end of "C". I don't know what's mo
29 BeechToBus : Quoting PDX: exactly, as much as I love that airport, its definitely over built as it stands now so I don't think finding an empty gate in the event o
30 pdx : Yep, you're right. Those gates were being used before Alaska handed over a lot of flights to Horizon. Hopefully VIrgin America will take over one of
31 RWA380 : Just bought two tickets for myself and my partner for $115.16 r/t no seats or bags, leaving 9/11 at 12:50am and return the next day, the 12th at 11pm
32 nkops : Just don't expect too much... I fly NK often and understand that you get the bare minimum... If you plan on not getting an advanced seat, then get to
33 RWA380 : Yeah, thats about what I was thinking when booking, 4 hours on a A-319 in the middle of the night, I am now planning on getting seat assignments in a
34 Pe@rson : Well, RWA380, you appear proactive and sensible by trying to do what is desired rather than turning up and being surprised or whatever. You must be co
35 RWA380 : Yeah, again I paid $115.16 for two tickets to fly halfway across the country, I'd feel embarrassed to expect much. If I don't like it. that's not the
36 CIDFlyer : I heard they are re-opening it as part of the remodeling program so when they re-do parts of E they will move airlines over. Who knows with Spirits e
37 GSPSPOT : As long as NK sticks around long enough!
38 nkops : The A320 seats do not recline, the A319 and A321 do recline... I don't know which is doing the flight (pretty sure it is not an A321). Also, for 4 ho
39 GSPSPOT : In DFW. I've seen them come into a city and pull out quickly. I know DFW isn't a typical market, but still...
40 OB1504 : Then again, NK is far from the only airline with such close timings. As nkops mentioned, the seats on the A320 fleet are pre-reclined for your comfor
41 RWA380 : I have paid for them, so I'll know next time, the airport is only 20 mins from my home, so a quick drive from downtown out there will be perfect to s
42 RWA380 : When booking on Spirits website, it did indicate the planes are scheduled as A-319's, of course I know this can change, but does the A-320 make it to
43 nkops : Spirit has not been in any hurry to paint the gray ones, I believe they only paint them when they go in for the heavy checks.. I believe the A320 has
44 RWA380 : I've been travel industry so long, I'm not used to having a "person" to help with possible extras or insight, so your input is appreciated. Can I go
45 nkops : You can go in afterwards and purchase your seat... make sure you put your computer inside your soft side carry-on while boarding, otherwise there is t
46 Post contains images OB1504 : Spirit has trained me to be as frugal as possible when flying, so I just hold out until the day of departure and choose my seats for free on the kios
47 RWA380 : Even when travelling with someone else? I really want to ensure we're seated together. I am quite happy with the 319, I'd be glad with a 318 too, the
48 BeechToBus : While the 320 does technically have an inch or two less pitch than the 319, the 320 has the Recaro slimline seat so I believe that you actually have
49 AAIL86 : I'd recommend either the uptown neighborhood of Dallas, or better yet the 7th street area of Fort Worth. FW doesn't get a lot of press compared to Da
50 OB1504 : Even when seats are assigned automatically, the system will try to sit customers traveling on the same reservation next to each other. One at least o
51 RWA380 : That is exactly the kind of thing that will annoy the heck out of me for 4 hours. PDX & DFW, I'm sure I will be present two hours prior, in fact
52 e38 : I just wanted to submit a brief correction to an answer regarding the gates Spirit uses at DFW: Quoting DLD9S (Reply 5), "How many gates does NK have
53 e38 : Correcting my own post above--unable to edit--Delta assumed the lease of Gate E17 on March 25, 2012; not April 25, 2012. e38[Edited 2012-04-23 20:25:2
54 SANFan : Can anyone at NK tell me if the schedules for September and later that show in the booking engine on NK's website are real, or just place holders/ghos
55 usairways787 : 17 belongs to DL, 34 US, they just allow them to borrow it. When I was with F9 the contractor here would steal our equipment and use it without askin
56 RWA380 : I've decided on the Uptown area, does the Warwick Melrose Hotel sound good? I'm thinking of their 800 sq foot suite for 249.00 per night, twice what
57 nkops : Most likely a default schedule at this point... I have seen NK wait until 3 months prior to finalize sked in the past, so I wouldn't be too positive
58 AAtakeMeAway : You'll be staying actually in Oak Lawn, which is a predominately gay part of the city (It's an awesome area, just wanted to let you know if it matter
59 SANFan : Thanks for that 'ops; I'll keep an eye on advanced schedules and the on-line timetables and see what happens. Three months out is certainly not unusu
60 AAIL86 : Yeah, that's a pretty good location, although its a bit west of uptown proper. And as was mentioned, thats in Oak Lawn - probably the most flamboyant
61 rojo : It depends where exactly you go in Downtown/Uptown, but from the DFW Remote South Parking to West Village the trip display of my car logged 16.8 mile
62 OB1504 : After assigning you the seat (but before printing the boarding pass), the kiosk should still display the "CHANGE SEATS" icon next to it. Most custome
63 RWA380 : Yeah it matters to me, I'm sure I'll have a blast then, I lived in the Castro area for years, a gay buddy of mine told me the same thing about Oak La
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