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Delta's Original DC-9 Routes?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 664 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

By the time the DC-9-30s were entering the fleet, where did Delta operate their DC-9s? Around the 68-71 time frame.

I know the first flight (DC-9-15) was Atlanta-Memphis-Kansas City in '65

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User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
I know the first flight (DC-9-15) was Atlanta-Memphis-Kansas City in '65

Perhaps this would be an appropriate last route when the DC-9-50s are retired.

I figure by the this time period they pretty much took over the short-haul flying previously done by CV-440s and other piston-powered aircraft. My father flew on a DC-9 from STL-MDW in 1970 (don't know if it was a -15 or -30 though).


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Departed Flights' 79 timetable should be able to help you: http://www.departedflights.com/79intro.html

Just looking at flights into ATL, it seems that about half of DL's destinations see the DC-9: CVG, CMH, IAH, IND, MCI, etc

And, from ATL, if it's not served by DL's DC-9 chances are Eastern or Republic have a DC-9 flying there! It seems that Eastern was willing to put the DC-9 on routes that DL flew the 727 / L1011, just different strategies I guess?



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting TR1 (Reply 1):
I know the first flight (DC-9-15) was Atlanta-Memphis-Kansas City in '65


Perhaps this would be an appropriate last route when the DC-9-50s are retired.

When DL retired their pre-Northwest merger fleet of DC-9s in the early 1990s, the last route was ATL-MEM-DFW.

It would be ironic if DL had TWO last DC-9 flights on ATL-MEM, separated by more than two decades. A testament to this remarkable aircraft - it's almost impossible to retire the DC-9!



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User currently offlineswabrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 3):

Actually the last DC-9-30 flight was on New Year's Day(I think 1992) and you have the direction reversed. it went DFW-MEM-ATL. Later several DC-9s stopped in DFW for fuel on their way to the desert. I worked in Area 5 at DFW (the satellite) and the DFW-MEM flight left from our area. Also going back a lot earlier, the DFW-PHX service initially operated with DC-9s. I can only imagine the takeoff penalties because the DC-9-30 performance deteriorated badly in hot weather.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1492 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

All of the McDonnell-Douglas aircraft were built like tanks. DC8's are still flying around the world as profitable freighters long after the B707 has been scrapped. The DC-9 and DC-10 are the same. Rugged, well-built airplanes. Although the Achilles heel in the DC-10 (IMHO) were the stupid lavatories! They drove us nuts. But the 10 will fly on for many years as a freighter all over the world. I always felt like riding in a DC-9 was kind of like riding in a 1965 Mustang--an experience not to be forgotten.

One thing about the DC-9--don't stand near the forward entry door while it is being deiced. The door did not seal completely until the aircraft was pressurized and many a flight attendant found themselves showered with de-icing fluid. Not a pleasant experience.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6288 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 4):

Nope, they were still operating in 1992.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 4):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 3):


Actually the last DC-9-30 flight was on New Year's Day(I think 1992) and you have the direction reversed. it went DFW-MEM-ATL.

Thanks for the correction, Brian. I knew I should have looked up your article in Airliners about DL's DC-9 retirement before I responded!



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Lets see if I can remember this correctly.........I started at ORD in '71 and our DC-9s (we still had the baby 9s) went to, in no particular order, LIT, STL, MEM, SDF, LEX, TYS, AVL, BNA, RDU, GSO, CVG, JAN. I'm sure there were a few more, but I can't recall them, right now. This was before the NE merger. Some of those routes were taken over by the 727 after the NE merger.

Interesting about the RDU & GSO routes. To the best of my recollection, the only way to get to those cities, on DL, at that time, was out of ORD. We had one flight that went ORD-RDU-GSO-ORD.


After the NE merger, we had a baby 9 flight that went LIT-STL-ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-PWM-BGR....



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3090 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
where did Delta operate their DC-9s? Around the 68-71 time frame.

In that time frame I recall taking Delta DC-9s from DTW to CVG and from CVG to LEX. Also from DTW to CAE. I may have also traveled on them from DTW to CHS.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

I remember seeing lots of them in the early 70's at MSY. MSY had a sizeable DL operation at the time. In the mid 70's you could see a couple each of the DC9s, 727s, DC8s and a Tristar mixed in here & there at any given time.. And then there was NA at MSY.... And an open observation deck in between it all - man, those were the days!!


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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4923 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

SHV and MLU had only DC9 traffic from DL in the 71-73 time frame.

Some routes I can remember:

ATL-MGM-GWO-JAN-MLU-SHV-DAL and reverse.

and

ORD-STL-LIT-SHV- either DAL or MSY and reverse.

ATL-ORD and reverse



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
ORD-STL-LIT-SHV

This later became a 727 route when I worked in SHV, '80-'82.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
By the time the DC-9-30s were entering the fleet, where did Delta operate their DC-9s? Around the 68-71 time frame.
Quoting YXD172 (Reply 2):
Departed Flights' 79 timetable should be able to help you: http://www.departedflights.com/79int....html

The flight itineraries pages (which shows aircraft types) from the March 1973 DL timetable is a little closer to the timeframe the OP was asking about. Look for "D9S".
http://www.departedflights.com/DL030173p86.html


User currently offlineAzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 750 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
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In the late 1960's I flew Delta several times a year from Columbus to Atlanta, and Columbus up to Detroit. Delta at the time flew the route DTW-CMH-DAY-ATL and back several times a day. I always enjoyed that DAY stop when traveling between CMH-ATL...an extra takeoff and landing!


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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1153 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

From DTW you could fly to CVG,IND,MEM,ATL,TOL,CAE,CLE,SDF,TPA,MSY,DAY,FWA,ORD,MCO,CMH and BTV. Pretty much anywhere DL flew from Detroit you could catch a DC-9

[Edited 2012-04-19 17:08:18]

User currently offlineswabrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Nope, they were still operating in 1992.

I don't have a copy of my Airliners article here at the office, so I was guessing on the year. I do know that it was Jan 1 for certain, so it must have been 1/1/93 if you are correct.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

In the mid 80's Delta flew the DC-9 to several cities out of ORD ... STL, MSP, MSY, CVG, MEM, DFW, SDF, and IAH.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 17):
In the mid 80's Delta flew the DC-9 to several cities out of ORD ... STL, MSP, MSY, CVG, MEM, DFW, SDF, and IAH.

Are you sure about MSP? I thought the first service on DL to MSP, other than with the WA merger (out of SLC) was ATL-MSP. I didn't think there was ever any DL service out of ORD until the NW merger.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
SHV and MLU had only DC9 traffic from DL in the 71-73 time frame.

You can add ESF and Meridian, MS to that list, also.



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
re you sure about MSP? I thought the first service on DL to MSP, other than with the WA merger (out of SLC) was ATL-MSP. I didn't think there was ever any DL service out of ORD until the NW merger.

Yes, please take a look at this website: http://www.departedflights.com/ORD85p8.html
When the page opens up, scroll down to "Minneapoilis" and you will see the schedule for MSP-ORD (Feb. 1985).


User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 4):
I can only imagine the takeoff penalties because the DC-9-30 performance deteriorated badly in hot weather.

When I was working in DFW, we had a DC-9-30 that departed at 3 p.m. every day with a routing of DFW-LIT-MEM-CVG-GRR. During the summer heat, if you thought you were going to be even 1 minute late, you had to pull a weight/data report before 3. Otherwise, the weather would update on the hour and any temperature increase would put you overweight.

When I started with DL in MEM in 1985, we served the following cities with DC-9s - DFW, IAH, BTR, JAN, SHV, MLU, BHM, MCI, STL, IND, DTW, SDF, ORD, CVG, MIA (Sat only) and LIT. IIRC, most of the ATL service was flown with 727s, one 757 and one DC-8. After the DC-8 was put to pasture, it went to MD-88s with a sole 737-200 added to the ATL mix.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 19):
Yes, please take a look at this website: http://www.departedflights.com/ORD85p8.html
When the page opens up, scroll down to "Minneapoilis" and you will see the schedule for MSP-ORD (Feb. 1985).

My mistake........apparently, my mind is fuzzier than I thought.  



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4923 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
You can add ESF and Meridian, MS to that list, also.

I remember when DL put a DC9 in the Pollock airport just north of ESF. The runways had the same heading just a few miles apart. The runway was only 4900' at the time. I heard that they took all the seats out and then flew it to ESF where they put the seats back in.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 15):
From DTW you could fly to CVG,IND,MEM,ATL,TOL,CAE,CLE,SDF,TPA,MSY,DAY,FWA,ORD,MCO,CMH and BTV. Pretty much anywhere DL flew from Detroit you could catch a DC-9

So the DL DC-9's didn't make it west ever huh? Makes sense, I think after RW, RC, NW got rid of them out here, then DL came in to take over. Was DAL or HOU about the furthest the DL DC-9's came out west?



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1153 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 23):
So the DL DC-9's didn't make it west ever huh?

In 1970 Delta was basically a North/South airline. If you wanted to go west you went through ATL or DAL. West coast flights were all DC-8. I'm not quite sure how far west the 880's went but I think DAL and HOU were it. I know I flew Detroit to Houston a couple of times on CV880's.


25 mayor : If you look at DL's route map in the early to mid 70s, you'll see a big hole in the west that didn't start to get filled in until deregulation in the
26 RWA380 : You know, in June 1970 my family flew to South Africa and we flew DL from LAX to JFK (DAL & ATL stops) on a DC-8 all the way to JFK to catch a SA
27 DTWPurserBoy : IIRC, according to the Delta Museum in ATL, the first DC-9-15 flight was to MEM and was a last minute equipment substitution. They just popped it into
28 IAHWorldFlyer : Thanks for remembering....I remember living in MEM in the mid-80's and always trying to book that afternoon 757 flight to ATL, to see friends there.
29 TheGov : DL 718, the sole 757 out of MEM, was a 2 p.m. departure to ATL. It originated in LIT and started on June 1, 1985, my first full day in MEM. Looking a
30 Post contains links Viscount724 : DL did use the 880 to the west coast in the early '60s when they were first awarded traffic rights to SFO/LAX/SAN/LAS. You can see all their 880 (and
31 TVNWZ : I wouldn't tell that to the Air Force. The 707 is the backbone of our aerial refueling fleet. The Air Force bought up most of the 707 fleet for parts
32 zippyjet : The Dc-9 literally opened up DCA to pure jet service back in 1965. DL flew 9's from DCA-ATL and ATL-MIA to name a few of the early DL DC-9 routes.
33 dtw9 : No the KC135 is the backbone. Narrower fuselage
34 mayor : Even when I hired on in '71, we were basically an east of the Mississippi centric airline, with a few cities, sprinkled here and there, west of the M
35 type-rated : No, ESF always had runway lighting. They didn't have a VASI or anything like that. I practiced some night ILS approaches into ESF as part of my train
36 Jackbr : When were the 880s pulled from the West Coast?
37 WA707atMSP : DL began service to California on 11 June 1961. Initial service consisted of: 1x day ATL-LAX, DC-8 1x day ATL-MSY-FTW-LAX, 880 1x day Jacksonville-Or
38 mayor : Well, SOMETHING kept them from making night landings, that's for sure.
39 DTWPurserBoy : That is technically not correct. While in the US Air Force I worked aboard the RC-135M out of Kadena, Okinawa. Technically, it was called a Boeing 71
40 type-rated : Maybe it could have been that there was only a few DL people working at ESF, it was a extremely small station? Or maybe the approaches to ESF didn't
41 mayor : Maybe the tower closed at a certain time.
42 type-rated : That could be very likely. I know the MLU tower closed at midnight.
43 milesrich : Delta never operated DC-9's into Greenwood, MS. They flew them into Meridian, MS. Other smaller cities that saw Delta DC-9 service were EVV, PAH, SPG
44 type-rated : I thought I remembered that some of the ATL-DFW lines stopped in either GWO or MEI along the way. It was one or the other depending on the departure t
45 mayor : GWO showed on the '56 and '61 route maps, but I don't remember DL still going there when I hired on in '71. Perhaps service was terminated when the C
46 Post contains images TVNWZ : It appears I am wrong by 4 inches.
47 type-rated : Maybe time is getting my memory again,.......
48 milesrich : I have a January 1962 OAG and DL is not going in there, only Southern. The Convair 440's lasted until 1970.
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