MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11197 times:
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 1): Two airlines now on MOW-MIA (UN from DME as well). Wonder if the market is there.
Good-sized local market with a surprisingly high average one-way fare (which shocked me after I recently checked it out; I was under the impression it was low); one of the highest in Miami-Europe after London and Zurich.
If PUJ and CUN can handle two airlines to Moscow, there's a chance MIA can, too.
Seems to be a trend of Aeroflot: let Transaero establish itself and grow local demand, and then swoop in and grab some of that traffic.
clydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 999 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11114 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): Aeroflot will resume service to Miami after well over a decade absence. Thrice weekly A330-200 service begins on October 30.
SU 110 SVO 0900-1300 MIA TuThSa 332
SU 111 MIA 1500-1110+1 SVO TuThSa 332
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11065 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): Good-sized local market with a surprisingly high average one-way fare (which shocked me after I recently checked it out; I was under the impression it was low); one of the highest in Miami-Europe after London and Zurich.
Not surprised, was at the Acqualina in Sunny Isles last month and the place was full of Russians.
globalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 806 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10965 times:
Nice! I remember years ago when SU flew the IL-62 (I think it was the IL-62) into MIA. SU will do well even without SkyTeam lift out of there. MIA is such an awesome place to spot because of all of the carriers, unlike my home airport, ATL where we have the least number of airlines for the largest (busiest) airport in the world. Yes DL can take us almost anywhere but I want to see colours! I so hoped that when TK announced ATL it would happen but did not...so next up (fingers crossed is QR).
Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10941 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 4): Not surprised, was at the Acqualina in Sunny Isles last month and the place was full of Russians.
Sunny Isles used to be called little Russia... after the real estate collapse in 2008, many Russians lost their properties to foreclosures and the number of russians went down (most of them were Snow Birds). You can still find a large Russian community in Sunny Isles (lots of them from NY, mainly Brooklyn).
Tickets to Russia from South Florida are expensive, specially during the winter.
washingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9254 times:
What concourse will they use at MIA?
Quoting Airport (Reply 11): That's just a joke, but the international growth at MIA has been nothing short of impressive.
International growth everywhere has been impressive; MIA is just reflective of that. JFK, IAD, and others have all seen a lot of growth. Perhaps MIA has had more though: the city is practically a different place than it was a decade ago.
mcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8028 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): It is definitely still known as Little Moscow. The Russian community is alive, kicking and still growing.
Most definitely. My Russian in-laws live in Hallandale Beach, and their entire building seems to be dominated by Russian Jews. Sunny Isles does have some great Russian food stops, like Kalinka. SVO is a much better airport for most Russians that live in Central Moscow, as the airport is much closer to the city. With the traffic in Moscow, it is a significant time savings.
mcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7954 times:
Quoting rojo (Reply 6): Tickets to Russia from South Florida are expensive, specially during the winter.
We had 6 people stay with us over Christmas from Moscow. They flew in to MIA on transaero and their ticket was only $800 USD R/T all inclusive. Far from expensive.
Orlando also has a large Russian(+former) population, though most of them are on work and student visa, so Aeroflot can also tap into our local market. I know quite a few Russians who would rather drive to Miami for a direct flight instead of one stop options in NYC.
SAA is the one airline which can so Africa poperly from MIA, no other airline can do what they do. Ethioipian or Kenya Airways represent a very different part of Africa, on its east coast. But I would be for all 3 flying to MIA, unlikely but stranger things have happened.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7894 times:
Quoting Airport (Reply 11): Sheesh, how long until MIA surpasses NYC in international traffic?
MIA will likely surpass JFK this year in total international traffic. They are neck-and-neck two months into the year, but MIA is growing at a much faster pace.
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 12): International growth everywhere has been impressive; MIA is just reflective of that. JFK, IAD, and others have all seen a lot of growth. Perhaps MIA has had more though: the city is practically a different place than it was a decade ago.
MIA's growth has far exceeded the international average; the airport is growing at 2-3x the rate of others it's size. Only Charlotte has seen the type of growth MIA has lately, in terms of medium/large U.S. airports.
Quoting mcogator (Reply 14): We had 6 people stay with us over Christmas from Moscow. They flew in to MIA on transaero and their ticket was only $800 USD R/T all inclusive. Far from expensive.
Cheap fares exist, but the average fare for Miami-Moscow one-way approaches $950; third highest average of any large Miami-Europe market after London and Zurich.
miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 825 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6521 times:
Does anyone know if the Miami-Moscow is a high-yielding or just a low-yielding tourist market? Because we have seen how so many new airlines have just come and gone out of MIA, like KL, DL, LH and UX all because their flights proved unprofitable due to trash yields.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days ago) and read 6297 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 17): Does anyone know if the Miami-Moscow is a high-yielding or just a low-yielding tourist market? Because we have seen how so many new airlines have just come and gone out of MIA, like KL, DL, LH and UX all because their flights proved unprofitable due to trash yields.
Ah, of course. There you are. Prove your statements about trash yield citing sources.
And KLM continues to fly to Miami seasonally. But you already know that. In fact, based on fare data for last winter the average MIAAMS fare was up over 30% to just under $800 each way while the local market grew 35%. The average fare on MIAAMS exceeds MIAFCO and MIAMAD.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5834 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): And KLM continues to fly to Miami seasonally. But you already know that. In fact, based on fare data for last winter the average MIAAMS fare was up over 30% to just under $800 each way while the local market grew 35%. The average fare on MIAAMS exceeds MIAFCO and MIAMAD.
How accurate do you consider that average fare data? I've been told that it's often almost meaningless since it only includes travel agency sales reported through BSPs and not the airline's own direct sales, which due to the Internet is now a huge component of total traffic in many markets. And many LCCs don't even sell through travel agents.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5788 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
And KLM continues to fly to Miami seasonally. But you already know that. In fact, based on fare data for last winter the average MIAAMS fare was up over 30% to just under $800 each way while the local market grew 35%. The average fare on MIAAMS exceeds MIAFCO and MIAMAD.
How accurate do you consider that average fare data? I've been told that it's often almost meaningless since it only includes travel agency sales reported through BSPs and not the airline's own direct sales, which due to the Internet is now a huge component of total traffic in many markets. And many LCCs don't even sell through travel agents.
It's the best there is out there and airlines tend to rely on it when it comes to route development, so I believe it to be accurate. While I'm not versed on how it's collected, I'm sure the methods have changed over the years to keep up with changes, which is probably why one can now see "True O&D" and "Internet O&D." (I'm not really sure what the exact difference is, but I'm sure its a difference based on how data is collected).
My basic understanding is that True O&D fare data is based on a 10% sample size, and then properly adjusted for other outside variables, which I would assume, but am not sure, would include direct internet sales.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 624 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5639 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): MIA will likely surpass JFK this year in total international traffic. They are neck-and-neck two months into the year, but MIA is growing at a much faster pace.
That would be impressive. However, I would imagine JFK will outstrip MIA over the summer due to the seasonal bump in European service. Who knows, maybe MIA will catch back up in the Fall/Winter.
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yyzala From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
Long time rumor that is finally coming to fruition! Always gives me pleasure when SU opens up new long haul destinations.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): MIA will likely surpass JFK this year in total international traffic
Can you elaborate on that? There are so many more foreign airlines flying to JFK with higher frequencies than MIA, so how can that statement be the case??
25 MAH4546: There are so many foreign airlines flying to MIA with high frequency - 6x daily AM, 6x daily AV, 8x daily TA, 5x daily TAM, etc., etc., not to mentio
26 jonathanxxxx: Don't forget LAN, BA, and IB too. Which all have pretty large presences in MIA
27 SCL767: Indeed, LAN-TAM has a very large and growing presence at MIA. LAN-TAM are very close to operating up to 100 weekly passenger flights at MIA!
28 STT757: MIA may well pass JFK at some point, but South Florida (FLL, MIA) will never surpass NYC (EWR, JFK) for International traffic. EWR, JFK and LGA serve
29 MAH4546: Here is a mini-analysis: http://www.centreforaviation.com/blo...o-start-moscow-miami-service-72187
30 miaintl: I really wish this flight luck. I hope SU can pull this one off. By the way is SU still flying to CUN? I also wonder if MIA can afford to have two Rus
31 OB1504: For someone with a username like miaintl, he really seems to enjoy predicting the imminent demise of Miami International Airport. No, it won't be, si
32 Byrdluvs747: Don't forget AB. They've been operating in Florida markets for quite a while.
33 Aeroflot777: SU and UN are airlines that serve VERY different markets on long-haul sectors. Like they do with other overlapping destinations, there is room for th
34 MAV88: Hopefully this turns into daily service.
35 miaintl: I cosign you with that. I wonder why a lot of airlines just don't commence new services with daily flights. How do they plan to capture large market
36 OB1504: Which would explain why that was right around the time UN launched DME-MIA, right?
37 miaintl: When will this be announced on the news, I've yet to hear any announcements or talk about this new flight.
38 AirframeAS: How can there be a market if a U.S. citizen needs a sponsor in Russia before a visit can happen? I would LOVE to visit Russia, but until I have a "sp
40 MAH4546: Your sponsor is a travel agent. Your legit reason is "tourism." It's extremely easy to get a Russian visa.
41 Aeroflot777: Are you kidding? Go to a travel agency or book a hotel. Job is done. Most of my good American friends have all visited Russia in the past 4 years, ma
42 Aeroflot777: No, not really at all. Obtaining a Russian visa is as easy as obtaining a visa to any other country that requires one. Just make sure you have proof
43 miaintl: Hey Mark do you know when this story will break to the public? I know the flight is already bookable on orbitz but strangely I have yet to here any n
44 AirframeAS: Yeah, as I said before.... And I cannot find that thread. I have participated in that thread. Edit add: Found the thread... Look at replies 2 & 7
45 Viscount724: But why go through all of that when there are many countries that don't make you put up with those types of hassles? I would love to visit Russia but
46 FlyingSicilian: Concur. I decided to take a two day break (and sale for SQ's IAH-DME flight before heading on to SIN) and visit Moscow. Downloaded forms online, e-fa
47 Aeroflot777: I remember that thread really well. The facts still stand though. If you have all documents in place and you reach out to a travel agent or hotel, ev
48 AirframeAS: Pretty much all that Viscount724 said in reply 45, to start......
49 Aeroflot777: Sounds like quite an exquisite story though. If you have all your documents in hand and are actually thinking about taking this seriously, just go he
50 flymia: I am sure the questions are annoying. I have had to do intensive questions like that 3 times in the past few months for summer jobs and applications.
52 AirframeAS: I don't mean to be a royal pain in the ass on this, but my question is why do they need to know all this for?? What is the point? Does this have to d
53 s4popo: The process for a Russian trying to get an American visa isn't exactly a cakewalk.' http://www.kovrik.com/sib/visas/usa-visitor/VisasInMoscow.html
54 flymia: I have no idea. That is a good question. But I am sure the Visa process to get into the US is not easy either.
55 dirtyfrankd: I hope that my comment doesn't turn this into an AA bashing thread (that certainly is not my intent)...but I am curious as to why this is not a route
56 Aeroflot777: I mentioned this before, but I'll repeat again for emphasis. The questions on the application are actually common questions that are found on applica
57 flymia: AA has never been very adventurous with their MIA-Europe flights. They certainly have opportunities they just have never taken much. Besides for MIA-
58 dirtyfrankd: Normally, I would say that I hope things will change once they get their cost structures in line with their competitors so that they can start going
59 OB1504: AA have always been very cautious with their route planning, which would of course explain why they're the only legacy carrier that has never been ba
60 N62NA: Correct. It can actually be a living hell. Then the Russian visa process is far, far better than the process for obtaining a USA visa.
61 miaintl: Does anyone know if this flight is seasonal or year-round?
62 NASCARAirforce: I thought MIA gets more international traffic than JFK. I had heard somewhere that MIA had the most international operations in the U.S. (just not as
63 MAH4546: MIA has more daily international flights, JFK has more annual international passengers. But chances are MIA will takeover JFK this year. The growth t
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