pilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 27809 times:
Anyone heard any rumors on F9 being bought my someone last Friday? The rumor says they were bought and it will be announced sometime tomorrow (Friday). Again, all rumors, I guess we shall see tomorrow.
" The Q400s had found a nice niche in the northeast as Continental Connection, but apparently the contract simply wasn’t producing for Colgan. It’s walking away completely with all flights under the United name stopped by the end of November.
Now that does seem like something that should concern you as a traveler, but it really shouldn’t. It’s not like these routes are going to disappear just because Colgan walks away. I asked United for a statement and was told this:
We are working with Colgan to transition their flying for United Express to other carriers, and are working hard to accommodate our customers. We have contingency plans in place and will contact any customer whose reservation may change as a result of the transition.
In other words, while there could be some disruption, United will just find someone else to take over Colgan’s flying. Maybe United will turn to Horizon Air, a very experienced Q400 operator. Or maybe Republic will pick up the flying since it has been flying those airplanes for Frontier"
Over the past couple of days, I've been hearing a lot of rumors that it is actually Republic. But - just rumors, nothing you can take to the bank. Apologies in advance if they prove to be only rumors.
I'm guessing EWR. Isn't Colgan's operation via Pinnacle, in Chap 11, in jeopardy? UA will need a flock of replacement, or at least help if Colgan cuts back. There's a steady stream of Dash 8s into EWR, it has to come from somewhere.
I'm having trouble tracking these developments. Menke out at Pinnacle (going where?). He wouldn't be coming back to run Q400 operations for UA and Republic, would he?
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1285 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 27537 times:
Quoting rampart (Reply 4): I'm having trouble tracking these developments. Menke out at Pinnacle (going where?). He wouldn't be coming back to run Q400 operations for UA and Republic, would he?
Doubtful. I dont think it is needed. RAH has Wayne Heller as COO and BB as CEO who are now focusing fully on the CPA business. Colgan will have no more Q400 flights. The rumor is about RAH replacing Colgan.
"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
gustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 121 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 27378 times:
Mariner might be getting some of the same snipets I am. Yes, it's just rumors, but there are many pieces coming together.
Colgan has announced it will get out of the Q400 business. UA owns the Q400s and will probably give that flying to another regional.
The only other Q400 operators in the lower 48 are Republic(Lynx) and Horizon. Out of the two, Republic makes the most sense since Shuttle America already flies for UA. Yes, another carrier could get the Q400 certified, but that will take some time.
Republic announced the grounding of their 4 remaining Q400s and then 'changed their minds.' It appears the Q400 will continue to fly a very limited schedule until September.
For a reason I cannot quite figure out Republic has grounded their Q400s for two weeks. It does appear they've pulled at least 1 Q400 to fly as a spare, but the others are not flying. It looks like the Q400s are back in the F9 schedule at the end of this two week period.
I believe internally Republic has stated they are studying the developments and will go after the Q400 flying at UA if it makes sense.
Then, I have UA Express friends who say corporate UA in ORD has told them to figure out how to park Q400s in DEN.
Then, I heard Republic will train the UA Express trainers on the Q400 some time in May.
I have also heard 4 Q400s will initially fly for UA in DEN and that number should increase to 11 by the end of the year.
I believe the Q400 will fly to mountain destinations.
So, all of this makes sense to me except why DEN and not EWR. Maybe it's because Colgan will continue Q400 flying until November. I believe that was the date mentioned above. It seems the quickest and easiest thing to do, taxi those Q400s from concourse A over to B at DIA. Get the Q400 flying in DEN and then expand that over to EWR later this year.
So, yes it's all rumors, but I believe we'll see Republic's Q400s flying for UA around June.
Where does that leave F9 in DEN? Will they be short aircraft if the Q400s go to UA or is there a plan to quickly acquire a few more A320s?
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1964 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 27212 times:
Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7): I have also heard 4 Q400s will initially fly for UA in DEN and that number should increase to 11 by the end of the year.
I believe the Q400 will fly to mountain destinations.
So, all of this makes sense to me except why DEN
Okay, let's see here.....
If these rumors pan out as such, it will have seemed that the Lynx plan once envisioned by Sean Menke, for the Qs to fly to/from DEN/mountain destinations for F9, gets sidetracked by the F9 BK filing. Then, BB cuts most of the DEN/mountain destinations Q flying that is envisioned by SM at F9 as RAH takes over the post BK F9.
However, a handful of remaining Qs survive, and Lynx (per se) gets rolled over into the Republic division at RAH (I guess we can look at this in this manner)
Now, SM goes to Pinnacle, files BK there, and the Qs at Pinnacle seem like they are on there way out per SM. But now, UA needs the Qs to fly..... to/from DEN/mountain destinations.... and it will be BB and RAH that will provide the flying of those Qs.
And somehow, in a long, convoluted process..... DEN ends up with the Qs flying to/from mountain destinations.....
pilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 27154 times:
Quoting pilotfox (Reply 1): Anyone heard any rumors on F9 being bought my someone last Friday? The rumor says they were bought and it will be announced sometime tomorrow (Friday). Again, all rumors, I guess we shall see tomorrow.
Quoting mariner (Reply 9): Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7):
Mariner might be getting some of the same snipets I am.
Almost word for word - and date for date.
Don't take this the wrong way, or as anything other than a compliment; you should work for the CIA. You know more than anyone about an obscure little airline 10,000 miles from home. Whatever skills used to gain this knowledge would be instantly transferable to the CIA.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2103 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 26376 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 15): I'd love to see Frontier capitalize on this and add something more at PHF (but not MCO) but it is hard to know what, in view of the supposed coming of People Express.
Forward looking, on the heels of a potential COS-DCA slot I've always thought PHF-DCA would be an excellent market, if it is timed to connect with one or two of the DEN-DCA flights but more the COS-DCA slot if (stress "if") F9 wins the award.
PHF-DCA potentially connects SAN with the northern reaches of the Navy's Atlantic Fleet. On the tourism side it connects the family vacation friendly beaches and the Civil War battlefields with the D.C. museums. I understand it involves a inter-perimeter slot which some might tug as a a waste.
I've drove the the route down I-495 to I-64 is potentially can take 3-4 or more driving hours if not planned strategically . Keep in mind IAD although not served by F9; is going to be the new home of a Smithsonian Air & Space museum annex with the Space Shuttles arrival; another tourism draw.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1227 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 26076 times:
Quoting rj777 (Reply 17): Will this call on Thursday give us an official confirmation on the fate of the E145s at MKE? Or has that been decided already?
The original plan was to have them out by the end of the year. However if operating MKE-OMA/IND/BNA/CMH/PIT makes more money (or loses less) than just parking those 3 airplanes, why not operate those routes?
MKE-RHI will end as soon as ZK is able to start MSP-RHI.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18): I thought the 145's and 135's were phased out already.....or is already in the process of being phased out.
The E135s were phased out in early March. Still 3 or 4 E145s though.
mikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 25934 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 22): I'm curious as to see if on Thursday they will give any type of indication to what they are going to do with MCI. Will it stay at what it is today? Or will they dehub it completely?
I don't think they are serving many connections at MCI now. I think at best you could call it a focus city. In an article last week (can't find it now), Shurz mentioned building more "focus cities" with a handful of flights like COS and OMA. I'm sure MCI and MKE will fit that mold (a handful of O/D routes) and I'd love to see maybe DSM and IND as well.
If Shurz is shopping for focus cities TYS would be the ideal year-around North-South focus city; geographically, absent from WN, and not a lot of ground traffic which might lead to ground delays. It is a busy corridor overhead though.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
25 GentFromAlaska: Occasionally I take a look at available jobs at F9 to gauge what might be happening around the country. https://www.ultirecruit.com/REP1003B/jobboard
26 gustywinds: Another underserved market absent WN service is GSO. I would like to see F9 add a little service there. Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette Combined St
27 ATWZW170: As much as I want to see Frontier look outside it's CO roots I just don't think it is going to happen. The MCO routes were developed by other airlines
28 GentFromAlaska: It seems to me it would have to one or the other IND is sixty or so miles from SDF. SDF scares me in that it is a major sorting facility for UPS; jus
29 ATWZW170: SDF is only about an hour and a half drive but because IND tends to have lower fares folks drive north. If Frontier were to start IND/SDF - MCO (only
30 GentFromAlaska: While its on my mind; we've talked about advertising or the limited/lack thereof outside of Colorado. As outside the box strategy goes F9 might consid
31 AirframeAS: Why they do not advertise in the SEA area boggles my mind. Washington State has a major military presence: JBLM, Bangor Trident Subbase, Everett Nava
32 747fan: We get a daily 319 to DEN on F9. The company I work for has the ground handling contract for that flight and it is usually packed. Based on what F9's
33 mcg: Which might be why there is not a lot of advertising.
34 GentFromAlaska: I left a few of the big ones off my short list thinking they did. Near SAN and and anywhere between Belingham and Tacoma on or near I-5 I would also
35 CarsAir04: Soon is what I hear. Probably within the next week or two. There are billboards up in the YVR and BLI area right now. Advertising is expensive to do
36 bjorn14: There won't be too much signage on this route as Colorado really limits billboards.
37 AirframeAS: Now that the Animal Audition is over, and that Polly won (no real surprise here....), what aircraft do you guys think Polly will be on? 219FR (A320) o
38 GentFromAlaska: I can only speak for myself. As one who has crisscrossed this country both East-West and North-South including some Province driving in Canada includ
39 CarsAir04: Yes, everyone is different and Billboards are cheaper than TV. It does come down to money though for Frontier. Its tough to bring the brand into a ne
40 rampart: I remember seeing a billboard on the way out of El Paso County, somewhere near Monument, heading north on I-25 to Denver, COS airport bought a billbo
41 mikefrommke: Q1 Results: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep...-2012-financial-results-2012-04-25 $22 million operating income, net loss of $7.1 million. F9 (not
42 n7371f: For the holding company... For Frontier... $21.6 million pre-tax LOSS
43 slcdeltarumd11: from the oag thread I know its the east direction that COS has tons of service too already but Delta finally put the axe down on COS-MSP it looks like
44 rampart: Sad to see that one go. That was probably the best connection east, least out of the way without having to mess with ORD (or DEN). Been around a long
45 bjorn14: I don't see F9 replacing it anytime soon unless they build up COS as a major focus city. You can pretty much fly non-stop from MSP to anywhere that F
46 mikefrommke: Especially after what happened after they added MCI-MSP!
47 azstar: Not surprised. This airline is headed for the scrap heap, thanks to Republics poor yield management and route strategy ( if they even have one). Late
48 mikefrommke: Which is why they have drawn down MKE significantly. The $21.6 million loss this quarter isn't amazing but its a heck of a lot better than the $40 mi
49 ScottB: Keep in mind that the segment results will not be comparable to the segment results for prior periods until the company releases more detailed restat
50 ScottB: Be very careful about that comparison with respect to MKE. Much of the flying at MKE in Q1 of last year was sub-100-seat flying, and the sub-100-seat
51 stlgph: Republic has hired Barclays to help with the Frontier restructuring.
52 AirframeAS: Ooo! OW!!!!!! I never saw this coming! Any poor decision that was at F9 was solely on Republic 100%. Republic was the one that insisted on jiggying u
53 Atrude777: Which means Barclay is helping Republic sell F9 or work out F9's budget? I am just curious about the whole selling of F9 or spinning it off on the si
54 mariner: When a venture capitalist puts money in a start-up company, they do not expect to make money from profits or dividends. They do expect to make money
55 AirframeAS: One of the rumors I have heard.... (emphasis: RUMOR!!!) ..... is that United is watching this thing very closely. What I was told was that they may h
56 n7371f: Um, yeah, I'm surprised...There was no guidance from Republic except for a few comments about yoy trasm and such, making it sound obviously more posi
57 AirframeAS: Count me in on that as well. I hope Siegel has a plan to turn this around. It needs to be done quickly.....and now. I wonder what they have to say ab
58 mariner: About six weeks ago, BB said in an interview that Frontier would lose money this quarter. The analysts consensus has been for a loss - 21 cents again
59 PlaneAdmirer: I think you know that I like F9 a great deal, but the stink in my mind is that F9 can only lose so much money for so long and they have a lot less to
60 mariner: I can only repeat myself. Frontier made money in the previous two quarters and: mariner
61 AirframeAS: I respect you to the fullest, Mariner, and in no way I mean this in an offending way...But: What BB said 6 weeks ago means nothing to me. Absolutely
62 mariner: Sorry, but what Mr. Bedford says should mean something to you. Whatever you think, BB is still the Chairman and Frontier remains a subsidiary of Repu
63 AirframeAS: Not anymore. Seigel is the CEO for F9 now. I believe that is going to change pretty soon.....
64 mariner: Mr. Siegel reports to the Chairman, Mr. Bedford. To my knwledge, Mr. Siegel has - so far - not discussed the finances of Frontier in any forum. Was h
65 FRNT787: A few things from the call: ---All E170/E175s are now in service or subleased. (One analyst connected the dots on a call that Aeromexico is taking the
66 FRNT787: No. The only "Direct" F9 representative was the number 3, Daniel Shurz.
67 AirframeAS: I know that 936FR was one of them, which one was the other one? The point I was trying to make was that I would rather hear from Siegel himself inste
68 mariner: If it wasn't for BB there wouldn't be a Frontier. mariner
69 FRNT787: I have no idea. Shurz said that one left in March, one in April.
70 AirframeAS: That is true, I am not disputing that. 936 left in February.
71 n7371f: 937 I believe flew DEN-PHX then onto Goodyear in early April for decommissioning.
72 AirframeAS: WTH?! This is Mariner's plane! Say it ain't so!
73 mariner: This morning's updated Q2 guidance (for Frontier) was for a positive margin of between 0% and 2%, compared with a loss in excess of $30 million last