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New Frontier/Republic #35  
User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 29395 times:

Over 300 posts in the previous, time to move on:

Mariner dropped the rumors that United and Republic have worked out a contract for the Q400. (STRESSING RUMORS)

Republic will have their Q1 Conference Call next Thursday, April 26. Results will be above the highest end of previous guidance due to strong Revenue from Frontier.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1685022&highlight=

Additionally, Polly the Parrot will be the newest spokesanimal.

Lastly, Frontier has announced the return to George Bush Intercontinental (IAH) leaving Hobby Airport (HOU) after about a year.

Previous Thread: New Frontier/Republic #34 (by point2point Mar 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinepilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 29407 times:

Anyone heard any rumors on F9 being bought my someone last Friday? The rumor says they were bought and it will be announced sometime tomorrow (Friday). Again, all rumors, I guess we shall see tomorrow.

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 29231 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Thread starter):
Mariner dropped the rumors that United and Republic have worked out a contract for the Q400. (STRESSING RUMORS)

Hmmmmm...... ??

What hubs will this be for?

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 1):
The rumor says they were bought and it will be announced sometime tomorrow (Friday)

Hmmmmm.....?? And the rumor mill churns.......


 


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 29216 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
Hmmmmm...... ??

What hubs will this be for?

I've been hearing murmurs about this since Pinnacle (as Colgan) decided to "wind down" it's Q400 flying and United needs a replacement. Cranky Flier was the first one to suggest it in public:

http://crankyflier.com/2012/04/03/pi...ptcy-protection-you-shouldnt-care/

" The Q400s had found a nice niche in the northeast as Continental Connection, but apparently the contract simply wasn’t producing for Colgan. It’s walking away completely with all flights under the United name stopped by the end of November.

Now that does seem like something that should concern you as a traveler, but it really shouldn’t. It’s not like these routes are going to disappear just because Colgan walks away. I asked United for a statement and was told this:

We are working with Colgan to transition their flying for United Express to other carriers, and are working hard to accommodate our customers. We have contingency plans in place and will contact any customer whose reservation may change as a result of the transition.

In other words, while there could be some disruption, United will just find someone else to take over Colgan’s flying. Maybe United will turn to Horizon Air, a very experienced Q400 operator. Or maybe Republic will pick up the flying since it has been flying those airplanes for Frontier"


Over the past couple of days, I've been hearing a lot of rumors that it is actually Republic. But - just rumors, nothing you can take to the bank. Apologies in advance if they prove to be only rumors.

mariner



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 29197 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
What hubs will this be for?

I'm guessing EWR. Isn't Colgan's operation via Pinnacle, in Chap 11, in jeopardy? UA will need a flock of replacement, or at least help if Colgan cuts back. There's a steady stream of Dash 8s into EWR, it has to come from somewhere.

I'm having trouble tracking these developments. Menke out at Pinnacle (going where?). He wouldn't be coming back to run Q400 operations for UA and Republic, would he?

-Rampart


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 29135 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 4):
I'm having trouble tracking these developments. Menke out at Pinnacle (going where?). He wouldn't be coming back to run Q400 operations for UA and Republic, would he?

Doubtful. I dont think it is needed. RAH has Wayne Heller as COO and BB as CEO who are now focusing fully on the CPA business. Colgan will have no more Q400 flights. The rumor is about RAH replacing Colgan.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 29041 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
Apologies in advance if they prove to be only rumors.

That's the lifeblood of A.net....rumor and speculation.   



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User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 28976 times:

Mariner might be getting some of the same snipets I am. Yes, it's just rumors, but there are many pieces coming together.

Colgan has announced it will get out of the Q400 business. UA owns the Q400s and will probably give that flying to another regional.

The only other Q400 operators in the lower 48 are Republic(Lynx) and Horizon. Out of the two, Republic makes the most sense since Shuttle America already flies for UA. Yes, another carrier could get the Q400 certified, but that will take some time.

Republic announced the grounding of their 4 remaining Q400s and then 'changed their minds.' It appears the Q400 will continue to fly a very limited schedule until September.

For a reason I cannot quite figure out Republic has grounded their Q400s for two weeks. It does appear they've pulled at least 1 Q400 to fly as a spare, but the others are not flying. It looks like the Q400s are back in the F9 schedule at the end of this two week period.

I believe internally Republic has stated they are studying the developments and will go after the Q400 flying at UA if it makes sense.

Then, I have UA Express friends who say corporate UA in ORD has told them to figure out how to park Q400s in DEN.

Then, I heard Republic will train the UA Express trainers on the Q400 some time in May.

I have also heard 4 Q400s will initially fly for UA in DEN and that number should increase to 11 by the end of the year.

I believe the Q400 will fly to mountain destinations.

So, all of this makes sense to me except why DEN and not EWR. Maybe it's because Colgan will continue Q400 flying until November. I believe that was the date mentioned above. It seems the quickest and easiest thing to do, taxi those Q400s from concourse A over to B at DIA. Get the Q400 flying in DEN and then expand that over to EWR later this year.

So, yes it's all rumors, but I believe we'll see Republic's Q400s flying for UA around June.

Where does that leave F9 in DEN? Will they be short aircraft if the Q400s go to UA or is there a plan to quickly acquire a few more A320s?


User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 28843 times:

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7):
I have also heard 4 Q400s will initially fly for UA in DEN and that number should increase to 11 by the end of the year.

Aspen is being teased again.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 28841 times:
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Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7):
Mariner might be getting some of the same snipets I am.

Almost word for word - and date for date.  

mariner



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 28810 times:

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7):
I have also heard 4 Q400s will initially fly for UA in DEN and that number should increase to 11 by the end of the year.

I believe the Q400 will fly to mountain destinations.

So, all of this makes sense to me except why DEN

Okay, let's see here.....

If these rumors pan out as such, it will have seemed that the Lynx plan once envisioned by Sean Menke, for the Qs to fly to/from DEN/mountain destinations for F9, gets sidetracked by the F9 BK filing. Then, BB cuts most of the DEN/mountain destinations Q flying that is envisioned by SM at F9 as RAH takes over the post BK F9.

However, a handful of remaining Qs survive, and Lynx (per se) gets rolled over into the Republic division at RAH (I guess we can look at this in this manner)

Now, SM goes to Pinnacle, files BK there, and the Qs at Pinnacle seem like they are on there way out per SM. But now, UA needs the Qs to fly..... to/from DEN/mountain destinations.... and it will be BB and RAH that will provide the flying of those Qs.

And somehow, in a long, convoluted process..... DEN ends up with the Qs flying to/from mountain destinations.....

Now if the rumors pan out, is this correct?

 


User currently offlinepilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 28752 times:

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 1):
Anyone heard any rumors on F9 being bought my someone last Friday? The rumor says they were bought and it will be announced sometime tomorrow (Friday). Again, all rumors, I guess we shall see tomorrow.

Well so much for the rumor I heard, haha


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28475 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Quoting gustywinds (Reply 7):
Mariner might be getting some of the same snipets I am.

Almost word for word - and date for date.  

mariner

Don't take this the wrong way, or as anything other than a compliment; you should work for the CIA. You know more than anyone about an obscure little airline 10,000 miles from home. Whatever skills used to gain this knowledge would be instantly transferable to the CIA.

[Edited 2012-04-21 02:40:09]

User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2041 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28469 times:

In case you have not been following SM as of late, He has resigned now from Pinnacle. Happened earlier this week. This has been posted in the Pinnacle Bankruptcy thread. I am not sure why??


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 28340 times:

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 1):
Anyone heard any rumors on F9 being bought my someone last Friday?

I have not heard a dang thing about F9 being bought out by anyone. I have heard about the Q400 story and UA taking over that, by the way.....



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28202 times:
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Quoting mcg (Reply 12):
Don't take this the wrong way, or as anything other than a compliment; you should work for the CIA.

I dont think the CIA would have me - LOL.

PHF is feeling the pinch of the departure of Airtran:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/newpo...rt-losses-20120420,0,6549148.story

"AirTran effect: Newport News airport ridership dives 29 percent in March"

I'd love to see Frontier capitalize on this and add something more at PHF (but not MCO) but it is hard to know what, in view of the supposed coming of People Express.

mariner



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User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 27974 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
I'd love to see Frontier capitalize on this and add something more at PHF (but not MCO) but it is hard to know what, in view of the supposed coming of People Express.

Forward looking, on the heels of a potential COS-DCA slot I've always thought PHF-DCA would be an excellent market, if it is timed to connect with one or two of the DEN-DCA flights but more the COS-DCA slot if (stress "if") F9 wins the award.

PHF-DCA potentially connects SAN with the northern reaches of the Navy's Atlantic Fleet. On the tourism side it connects the family vacation friendly beaches and the Civil War battlefields with the D.C. museums. I understand it involves a inter-perimeter slot which some might tug as a a waste.

I've drove the the route down I-495 to I-64 is potentially can take 3-4 or more driving hours if not planned strategically . Keep in mind IAD although not served by F9; is going to be the new home of a Smithsonian Air & Space museum annex with the Space Shuttles arrival; another tourism draw.



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User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1813 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27945 times:

Will this call on Thursday give us an official confirmation on the fate of the E145s at MKE? Or has that been decided already?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27718 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 17):
Will this call on Thursday give us an official confirmation on the fate of the E145s at MKE? Or has that been decided already?

I thought the 145's and 135's were phased out already.....or is already in the process of being phased out.



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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27693 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
I thought the 145's and 135's were phased out already.....or is already in the process of being phased out.

I think there are still 4 flying as F9 Express


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1305 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27674 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 17):
Will this call on Thursday give us an official confirmation on the fate of the E145s at MKE? Or has that been decided already?

The original plan was to have them out by the end of the year. However if operating MKE-OMA/IND/BNA/CMH/PIT makes more money (or loses less) than just parking those 3 airplanes, why not operate those routes?

MKE-RHI will end as soon as ZK is able to start MSP-RHI.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
I thought the 145's and 135's were phased out already.....or is already in the process of being phased out.

The E135s were phased out in early March. Still 3 or 4 E145s though.


User currently offlinesideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27671 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 19):
I think there are still 4 flying as F9 Express

3 145's left.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1305 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27649 times:

I'm curious as to see if on Thursday they will give any type of indication to what they are going to do with MCI. Will it stay at what it is today? Or will they dehub it completely?

User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27532 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 22):
I'm curious as to see if on Thursday they will give any type of indication to what they are going to do with MCI. Will it stay at what it is today? Or will they dehub it completely?

I don't think they are serving many connections at MCI now. I think at best you could call it a focus city. In an article last week (can't find it now), Shurz mentioned building more "focus cities" with a handful of flights like COS and OMA. I'm sure MCI and MKE will fit that mold (a handful of O/D routes) and I'd love to see maybe DSM and IND as well.


User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 27337 times:

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 23):
Shurz mentioned building more "focus cities"

If Shurz is shopping for focus cities TYS would be the ideal year-around North-South focus city; geographically, absent from WN, and not a lot of ground traffic which might lead to ground delays. It is a busy corridor overhead though.



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25 GentFromAlaska : Occasionally I take a look at available jobs at F9 to gauge what might be happening around the country. https://www.ultirecruit.com/REP1003B/jobboard
26 gustywinds : Another underserved market absent WN service is GSO. I would like to see F9 add a little service there. Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette Combined St
27 ATWZW170 : As much as I want to see Frontier look outside it's CO roots I just don't think it is going to happen. The MCO routes were developed by other airlines
28 GentFromAlaska : It seems to me it would have to one or the other IND is sixty or so miles from SDF. SDF scares me in that it is a major sorting facility for UPS; jus
29 ATWZW170 : SDF is only about an hour and a half drive but because IND tends to have lower fares folks drive north. If Frontier were to start IND/SDF - MCO (only
30 GentFromAlaska : While its on my mind; we've talked about advertising or the limited/lack thereof outside of Colorado. As outside the box strategy goes F9 might consid
31 AirframeAS : Why they do not advertise in the SEA area boggles my mind. Washington State has a major military presence: JBLM, Bangor Trident Subbase, Everett Nava
32 747fan : We get a daily 319 to DEN on F9. The company I work for has the ground handling contract for that flight and it is usually packed. Based on what F9's
33 mcg : Which might be why there is not a lot of advertising.
34 GentFromAlaska : I left a few of the big ones off my short list thinking they did. Near SAN and and anywhere between Belingham and Tacoma on or near I-5 I would also
35 CarsAir04 : Soon is what I hear. Probably within the next week or two. There are billboards up in the YVR and BLI area right now. Advertising is expensive to do
36 bjorn14 : There won't be too much signage on this route as Colorado really limits billboards.
37 AirframeAS : Now that the Animal Audition is over, and that Polly won (no real surprise here....), what aircraft do you guys think Polly will be on? 219FR (A320) o
38 GentFromAlaska : I can only speak for myself. As one who has crisscrossed this country both East-West and North-South including some Province driving in Canada includ
39 CarsAir04 : Yes, everyone is different and Billboards are cheaper than TV. It does come down to money though for Frontier. Its tough to bring the brand into a ne
40 rampart : I remember seeing a billboard on the way out of El Paso County, somewhere near Monument, heading north on I-25 to Denver, COS airport bought a billbo
41 Post contains links mikefrommke : Q1 Results: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep...-2012-financial-results-2012-04-25 $22 million operating income, net loss of $7.1 million. F9 (not
42 n7371f : For the holding company... For Frontier... $21.6 million pre-tax LOSS
43 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : from the oag thread I know its the east direction that COS has tons of service too already but Delta finally put the axe down on COS-MSP it looks like
44 rampart : Sad to see that one go. That was probably the best connection east, least out of the way without having to mess with ORD (or DEN). Been around a long
45 bjorn14 : I don't see F9 replacing it anytime soon unless they build up COS as a major focus city. You can pretty much fly non-stop from MSP to anywhere that F
46 mikefrommke : Especially after what happened after they added MCI-MSP!
47 azstar : Not surprised. This airline is headed for the scrap heap, thanks to Republics poor yield management and route strategy ( if they even have one). Late
48 mikefrommke : Which is why they have drawn down MKE significantly. The $21.6 million loss this quarter isn't amazing but its a heck of a lot better than the $40 mi
49 ScottB : Keep in mind that the segment results will not be comparable to the segment results for prior periods until the company releases more detailed restat
50 ScottB : Be very careful about that comparison with respect to MKE. Much of the flying at MKE in Q1 of last year was sub-100-seat flying, and the sub-100-seat
51 stlgph : Republic has hired Barclays to help with the Frontier restructuring.
52 AirframeAS : Ooo! OW!!!!!! I never saw this coming! Any poor decision that was at F9 was solely on Republic 100%. Republic was the one that insisted on jiggying u
53 Atrude777 : Which means Barclay is helping Republic sell F9 or work out F9's budget? I am just curious about the whole selling of F9 or spinning it off on the si
54 mariner : When a venture capitalist puts money in a start-up company, they do not expect to make money from profits or dividends. They do expect to make money
55 AirframeAS : One of the rumors I have heard.... (emphasis: RUMOR!!!) ..... is that United is watching this thing very closely. What I was told was that they may h
56 n7371f : Um, yeah, I'm surprised...There was no guidance from Republic except for a few comments about yoy trasm and such, making it sound obviously more posi
57 AirframeAS : Count me in on that as well. I hope Siegel has a plan to turn this around. It needs to be done quickly.....and now. I wonder what they have to say ab
58 mariner : About six weeks ago, BB said in an interview that Frontier would lose money this quarter. The analysts consensus has been for a loss - 21 cents again
59 PlaneAdmirer : I think you know that I like F9 a great deal, but the stink in my mind is that F9 can only lose so much money for so long and they have a lot less to
60 mariner : I can only repeat myself. Frontier made money in the previous two quarters and: mariner
61 AirframeAS : I respect you to the fullest, Mariner, and in no way I mean this in an offending way...But: What BB said 6 weeks ago means nothing to me. Absolutely
62 mariner : Sorry, but what Mr. Bedford says should mean something to you. Whatever you think, BB is still the Chairman and Frontier remains a subsidiary of Repu
63 AirframeAS : Not anymore. Seigel is the CEO for F9 now. I believe that is going to change pretty soon.....
64 mariner : Mr. Siegel reports to the Chairman, Mr. Bedford. To my knwledge, Mr. Siegel has - so far - not discussed the finances of Frontier in any forum. Was h
65 FRNT787 : A few things from the call: ---All E170/E175s are now in service or subleased. (One analyst connected the dots on a call that Aeromexico is taking the
66 FRNT787 : No. The only "Direct" F9 representative was the number 3, Daniel Shurz.
67 AirframeAS : I know that 936FR was one of them, which one was the other one? The point I was trying to make was that I would rather hear from Siegel himself inste
68 mariner : If it wasn't for BB there wouldn't be a Frontier. mariner
69 FRNT787 : I have no idea. Shurz said that one left in March, one in April.
70 AirframeAS : That is true, I am not disputing that. 936 left in February.
71 n7371f : 937 I believe flew DEN-PHX then onto Goodyear in early April for decommissioning.
72 AirframeAS : WTH?! This is Mariner's plane! Say it ain't so!
73 Post contains images mariner : This morning's updated Q2 guidance (for Frontier) was for a positive margin of between 0% and 2%, compared with a loss in excess of $30 million last
74 n917me : As long as N935FR stays ill be happy.
75 kcrwflyer : I'm Intrigued.. what are these routes?
76 Post contains images AirframeAS : I believe you are going to be okay.... 935 ain't going anywhere, that has Hector on the tail. No way, dude. You're gonna live forever!
77 azstar : COS-PHX, TYS-MCO, just to name a few.
78 Post contains images mariner : Oh, I hope not - I can't imagine anything more depressing. On the matter of routes that others have dropped - or are dropping - I wouldn't mind a pie
79 freakyrat : It's also about time to start DEN-SBN-DEN with the SCASD grant in hand a free gate in the new concourse, a ticket counter and the works.
80 n7371f : Yeah I listened to the entire call earlier...and even the analysts were more upbeat, which surprised me - so maybe my shock at a $20+ million loss is
81 Post contains images mariner : I don't know how much more to say than I have, except that a Q2 turnaround to break even (or hopefully profit) from a $30 million plus loss looks qui
82 FRNT787 : I had the same thought. Part of the CASM includes the costs associated with the Pro-Rate agreements. They said the Airbus operating CASM was sub 7 ce
83 rj777 : Didn't United try operating TED as a stand-alone business? And look what happened to that. Same with SONG by DL.
84 F9Animal : RAH has made numerous mistakes with trying to combine YX and F9. There has been so much back and forth, it makes me sick. Shagging jobs to IND, from D
85 n7371f : Fair enough. I agree when compared to 2Q 2011, a profit would be impressive - especially in light of fuel. I personally remain guardedly optimistic g
86 AirframeAS : Failed, miserably, yes. And the c-check is still non-existant today! GYR is doing it for them now.
87 JBo : In Bedford's defense, hindsight is always 20/20, and a regional company taking on two mainline carriers was an unprecedented move. In a perfect world
88 GentFromAlaska : F9 already flies TYS-MCO on select days of the week. Earlier this week I saw a $60 o/w fare in a F9 special between the two airports. It looks like t
89 FRNT787 : As do I. Never a bad strategy in business, even in the best of times. I imagine it stays there permanently. Outsourcing is just more cost effective n
90 AirframeAS : Not sure if it will be permenant, but I was told by my former maintenance manager not too long ago that F9 signed a 4 year contract with the folks at
91 FRNT787 : Allright, for all you trying to follow the F9 fleet (which has been quite the puzzle at times), here is the RJET break down for F9: End of Q1: Airbus:
92 smoot4208 : Interesting that they would phase out the 2 remaining Q400s instead of getting rid of them at the same time
93 AirframeAS : According to my friends at F9 Catering, it appears that the Cookie era is officially over! This was a long time coming and I am glad that this is fina
94 YXwatcherMKE : If F9 is trying to expand its operations or maybe its freq.'s on a route why are they having A/C leaving the fleet. They have a bunch of A/C on order
95 F9Animal : Some of it is probably related to finance deals. IIRC, lease rates were lowered with agreement that some aircraft would be returned. I think the 318s
96 YXwatcherMKE : I thank you for your answer. And I too believe that the 319's like the Q's are owned by the airline so I don't really understand why they are pulling
97 Post contains images mariner : I thought it was a noble vision. That and the price of oil. It was about $55 a barrel when the acquisitions were announced. It is more than double th
98 bjorn14 : Not much. An AOC, bunch of leases and only four own a/c, a brand and the hardest working employees in the airline biz.
99 kcrwflyer : Gotcha. Everything they picked up from MCO was and should be profitable. Don't assume any route FL is leaving because of WN has anything at all to do
100 n917me : Just heard today that CMH is closing at the end of May. Supposedly the CMH-MKE route was profitable, but I was told the 145s will be parked too. Sad.
101 intheair10 : And your source is whom? I have doubt about what you say because CMH is a major MX base.
102 floridaflyboy : That has nothing to do with it. The E90s are maintained in CMH as well, yet they don't serve CMH with that airplane.
103 n917me : All erj145 flying will end June 1 . MKE will be cut to 7 daily departures. Press release was just emailed.
104 n917me : Today Frontier announced changes to its summer schedule that will include the discontinuation of all ERJ flying, with the exception of MKE-RHI, effect
105 bjorn14 : Where are the 7 MKE departures going to?
106 floridaflyboy : I would guess DEN, DCA, MCO, and RHI.
107 GentFromAlaska : While we are discussing flying ops. I was thinking about STL-SDF service. Only WN offers non-stop service between these two markets. WN offers additio
108 mke717spotter : So the resumption of MKE-PIT is going to last - what - only like two weeks? Why bother bringing it back at all in the first place?
109 rampart : I have to ask... I'm sure this isn't the only, as this sort of information becomes public somehow somewhere... but are corporate-employee communicati
110 n7371f : He's correct. The 319's leaving the fleet are going back to GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) as part of the refinancing deal on the remaining fle
111 ATWZW170 : That was an internal release and really no employee should have to find out via this website that their jobs are going away. It was posted before any
112 CarsAir04 : I am sure the internal posting wasn't posted before the employees knew. I am sure they (the employees) were told prior to the internal posting. and n
113 gustywinds : I heard that the affected stations/employees were notified before the internal Corp Comm was made public to the rest of the employees. F9 knows that
114 n7371f : I'd love to know who the "other Republic partners" are who are going to take on the 3-5 Frontier ERJ's. There are already 15 if not more ERJ's sittin
115 Post contains images rampart : Thanks for that. I wouldn't want good people to get into trouble for the chance at a chat room scoop, as it can get sort of edgy around here. I reall
116 n917me : this memo is also followed up by releases sent to media outlets, its how PR works. The releases are basically the same as the employee posting. Again
117 ATWZW170 : I disagree but there is no way to proving that to you. You posted on here very early - before BNA, IND, or OMA had any idea flights were being lost. Y
118 n917me : It was posted after 1130am CST.. look at my p Not to nitpick.. but I have very reliable sources who did inform me that all affected stations were inf
119 CarsAir04 : A PR typically doesn't go out on news that isn't particularly good. So I would assume that this is the same for this memo.
120 Post contains links gustywinds : That is true, but F9 obviously communicated with the press because I have read numerous stories today quoting F9 Corporate - http://www.bizjournals.c
121 rj777 : I'm surprised none of the Omaha news outlets have put out anything on this.
122 CarsAir04 : Yep, and I would not expect Frontier to do otherwise. They have always been good about letting the employees know. And my bad on the press release. T
123 Post contains links bjorn14 : Looks like MKE is fretting about whether F9 can pay their naming rights bill for the Frontier Center. http://www.jsonline.com/business/con...rights-de
124 joepatroniyx : Wow what a brilliant business move. Buy an airline and then proceed to completely dismantle it and put hundreds of people out of a job. Perhaps YX wou
125 Post contains links mariner : Midwest lost half a billion dollars in 2008, before Republic was in charge. It was only a $25 million loan from Republic that helped keep the airline
126 joepatroniyx : So with the old saying - how long until Republic shuts down Denver with another bad year.
127 mariner : If that were the case, then yes, perhaps the airline should be shut down. It is a business, not a charity. But the airline analysts are all estimatin
128 smoot4208 : While I'm sure F9 won't renew the contract after July 2013, I'm sure they would like to get out before hand
129 Post contains images rampart : Oh for Pete's sake. "Grave concerns." Name it for AirTran for 5 months and then hit up WN for some money in perpetuity. Move on! Maybe go find a virt
130 IllinoisMan : Yes, and once again Tim Hoeksema is enjoying his lagoon pool on his multi-square foot spread in Florida....Is he thanking the loyal YX employees who
131 mariner : How does MKE become a backwater with Southwest there? mariner
132 PlaneAdmirer : Circumstances changed between the time deal was completed and now. I fail to see how sinking the entire operation so that MKE could have a temporary
133 Post contains links mariner : Here's an article about the new COS flights. Slightly to my surprise, SEA and PDX are booking well enough to the point that the season may be extended
134 smoot4208 : That's good to hear. I had originally thought that COS-SEA/PDX wouldn't do well. While I don't think they will win the DCA slots, they should still l
135 SaabFA71 : I really hope F9's upcoming 4x weekly MDT-MCO flights go to daily service. It's great they're coming to MDT to pick up where FL will be leaving off. T
136 GentFromAlaska : I'd like to think some of that might be of Alaska (the state) more-so from Southeast Alaska are waking up from their winter slumber and traveling. Ev
137 Post contains links rj777 : I just saw on Milwaukee's airport website http://www.mitchellairport.com/airli...information/cities-served-nonstop/ that DL is going to start non-stop
138 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's an interesting turn of events. The MKE crew base will move to Chicago: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...e-crew-base-from-milwaukee-chicag
139 FutureFO : We have had a Q400 engineer in Indy discussing the further use to our managers in HQ. We are supposed to be getting 37 Q400's for the UAX operration a
140 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : DEN-PHX has lots of southwest pricing pressure to deal with too i doubt frontier makes anything off of DEN-LAS/PHX/LAX as flights since they are ofte
141 mke717spotter : I talked to one of my friends who is a travel agent and it appears that FL will continue flying MKE-CUN/CZM/ZIH/PVR/PUJ/MBJ this coming winter. There
142 mariner : Airtran has just filed with the DOT to renew their MKE-CUN authority which expires in June. Frontier's expires at the same time, but there's no appli
143 Post contains links TVNWZ : You knew this was happening. the MKE hangers are up for sale. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/busine...age=1&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst
144 rj777 : If the MKE hangars are up for sale, than who's to say a complete F9 pullout might not be next?
145 PlanesNTrains : How much more complete does it need to be? Or are you just referring to maintenance? As far as F9 and MKE, I dont see why they'd need to pull out com
146 TVNWZ : Well, soon there will only be flights to DEN. That's back to the days when Frontier operated out of C with what..two three flights a day. We are alre
147 gustywinds : If you mean pullout of MKE completely then I highly doubt it. I believe F9 will always serve MKE from DEN. This summer shows 2 A320s and 2 A319s a da
148 FRNT787 : Well, it looks as though today that the DOT is announcing the Slot Pairs to DCA. According to the ongoing thread, Alaska received the first pair, whic
149 GentFromAlaska : In that F9 came up short in the decision process for their COS-DCA slot request. Does anybody know if they would be allowed to amend one of their thre
150 smoot4208 : F9 did not get the route authority. DCA-AUS on WN, DCA-SJU on B6, DCA-PDX on AS, and DCA-SFO on VX.
151 rampart : I believe slot exemptions are not transferable and married to the city pair awarded. COS and DEN are not a merged market. I do think they should cons
152 smoot4208 : UA, who already is established at COS, flies COS-IAD. You may be able to get them out of the market, but it would require using financial resources.
153 rampart : I knew that. (And I'm glad they do, it was a long time in coming.) But F9 thought there was untapped market (and competition) to one of the largest d
154 GentFromAlaska : Not a bad idea. Keep in mind BWI is a WN strong hold which F9 over the last two years has IMO attempted to avoid. As armchair planning goes I also li
155 rampart : Between WN and UA, or DL, it's hard not to compete somewhere. Apart from small underserved communities in the Great Plains or West, but they're hard
156 gustywinds : Agree, and I hope they add COS-MCO.
157 enilria : Based on their DOT data filings, DCA-DEN is far and away the best route in the whole airline in terms of nearly every metric. If they moved it to COS
158 Post contains links mariner : The DOT gave its reasons - post #127: DOT DCA Slot Award Decision (by LAXintl May 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) "Frontier to COS o Small size of local ma
159 Post contains links and images mariner : And here you go - the rumors were true: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/republ...es-operate-32-q400s-210000548.html "Republic Airlines to Operate 32 Q40
160 LAXintl : Moving a DCA-DEN flight to COS is not an option for F9. Beyond perimeter slots come with a caveat: Air carriers are barred from "selling, trading, tra
161 smoot4208 : Looks like Republic won the Q400 contract for UAX. They will fly the 28 from Colgan plus the 4 that are currently owned by Republic. So it looks like
162 GentFromAlaska : Fair enough. I can't help but think there is a set of protocols in place that would allow an airline swap a slot. I'll dig into it a little more An e
163 smoot4208 : It's not allowed because one could simply apply for a route that was most likely to win the award, and then just switch it. The DOT is awarding the s
164 GentFromAlaska : That makes sense. Not to beat a dead horse, I suppose the same would apply even after a couple of years of operating the slot the carrier found it ne
165 F9Animal : SM has made poppa Bedford a happy man!! Well Orchestrated, and very coincidental. First F9 bankruptcy. Then RAH buys F9. Then the Q400 bipolar situati
166 Post contains images Futureuscapt : There is a protocol in place - it's called a new route proceeding Actually, they can first try to request permission to move it, but there is past pr
167 slcdeltarumd11 : I bet frontier has already considered bwi-cos as a backup. Seems tough imho but I'm sure they have studied the likely option of not getting it. COS is
168 sunking737 : Hello McFly...These will not be DEN based, I can all most make bank on the fact that it will be East Coast. Remember Lynx is now on the REJET certifi
169 floridaflyboy : A couple points here. First, RJET itself doesn't have a certificate. Each subsidiary is certificated separately (Frontier, Chautauqua, Shuttle Americ
170 gustywinds : I believe UA will have some Qs in DEN. I know UA wants the aircraft for some mountain flying. UA has issues with the CR7 in ASE. The reason I believe
171 n7371f : If true, very interesting and certainly odd how the world of Republic works...especially in regards to ASE. You could potentially have Republic retur
172 floridaflyboy : I agree 100% and have heard as much. It is an ideal airplane for MANY markets out of DEN.
173 slcdeltarumd11 : Someone seems beyond sure they won't be in denver
174 Post contains links mariner : I guess we can expect - unsurprisingly - to see more MCO. Frontier has become a signatory at the airport: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ory-a
175 smoot4208 : Possibly OKC and COS coul gain service to Orlando.
176 gustywinds : I hope so. I would love to see COS-MCO. I would also take a look at ABQ, DSM, PHF and PUJ.
177 mikefrommke : I think they tried OKC-TPA/MCO when they restarted OMA-TPA/MCO. I could definitely see DSM added, and I'd like to see PUJ and potentially other Carib
178 Futureuscapt : Do you mean on a year-round basis? F9 added seasonal flights from DSM-MCO (as well as TPA) this past winter.
179 Post contains links NZBlue : Frontier Airlines Announces New Non-Stop Service Between COS and MCO/SAN Colorado Springs-Orlando (begins Nov. 15, 2012) Route Departs Arrives Frequen
180 kcrwflyer : Good to see an airline growing in MCO. I wonder if they'd pick up in CRW where FL left off.
181 SANFan : A pleasant surprise! Perhaps a bit of fallout from the whole DCA-COS-SAN thing but whatever the reason, the route should do well IF there's enough fr
182 slcdeltarumd11 : Wow. So cos has service now from the frontier focus city to denver, lax, sea, PDX, PHX, san, and mco. Not bad really. Western pacific would be proud s
183 smoot4208 : These are great additions. I think if they add LAS, SFO, and maybe two more destinations east and then COS will be a decent focus city.
184 SANFan : After studying this a bit more, I see now what is happening. When the COS-PDX (seasonal) service ends in mid-Sept, SAN will simply be substituted for
185 GentFromAlaska : Another add on to the SAN-COS which deserves consideration would be STL. Air Mobility Command (AMC) and HQ U.S. Transportation Command HQUSTRANSCOM l
186 mikefrommke : My guess is yes on new routes but no on being a connecting operation. The whole point of the COS operation is to serve O/D COS traffic and avoid havi
187 dbo861 : I'm hoping they bring back MCO this winter. From what I hear (granted, from a.net)MCO did pretty well while TPA not so much. I would love to see F9 t
188 rj777 : Ok, so does anybody know how many different destinations F9 has going out of COS including these new ones?
189 SANFan : Seven - DEN, LAX, PHX, MCO, SAN, SEA, PDX (at least the last 2 are seasonal.) bb
190 rj777 : And how much longer before COS surpasses MKE as far as departures?
191 kcrwflyer : This summer I do believe.
192 Buddys747 : F9 starts DEN-MDT today and MCO-MDT Thursday! We are excited Frontier has arrived, let's hope the locals support them, especially since that other air
193 freakyrat : about time for DEN-SBN.
194 rampart : That's another lost link that was served for decades. Original Frontier multistop, TWA since the late 70s on into the early AA takeover. Then the hub
195 mikefrommke : It isn't that the connection via COS is lower yielding than DEN, its that the potential nonstop passenger that the connecting passenger filled the se
196 FRNT787 : According to the delta thread, if their pilots approve their agreement they will be taking on 70 more large (76 seats) regional jets. These will repla
197 Buddys747 : A water cannon salute for Frontiers arrival in Harrisburg this afternoon, flight 830 from DEN.I wish I had my camera!
198 gustywinds : Frontier has a pic on their facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/#!/frontierairlines F9 will be featured on the Travel Channel tonight. The show
199 Post contains links mariner : Some news of the C Series, which will stay at Republic and not go to Frontier: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/republ...eo-talks-bombardier-204425567.ht
200 enilria : Well, good for F9 as BB is now stuck with his moronic order...which by the way will never happen anyway. As they keep trying to sell F9 they are havi
201 sunking737 : How about converted to Q 400's ??
202 BostonMike : I find it amazing how some people can forecast the future with such absolute certainty.
203 gustywinds : Agree. The only way RAH can operate the C-Series is if they start up a branded operation similar to what SkyWest did in MKE and get a codeshare agree
204 PlanesNTrains : Regardless of it's merits, I'm intrigued to see what he has planned in regards to the C Series. In reality, I'm sure he'd like to lose the order asap
205 bahadir : Actually , you can use the Cseries aircraft to create the Alaska Airlines of East Coast. Alaska gets great feed and yield from AA and DL, Republic cou
206 mikefrommke : Regarding the C-Series, I expect them to expand their leasing business and lease these planes to another carrier. They are looking to expand their rev
207 enilria : Maybe, but given how long they tried to unload theirs I think they will be loathe to do that. I said: "Scope will never allow the C-Series to go to o
208 gustywinds : Not really. I am talking about a codeshare. AA codeshares with major airlines flying big aircraft. SkyWest got around the issue by calling it a codes
209 BostonMike : In the CPA world the only semi-controlled variable is labor costs. Every thing else is pass-through. Not sure why anyone would want to run an airline
210 FRNT787 : I largely agree. I think if the aircraft gets a delay or simililar he will cancel it. The introduction of the neo changed the game and made the aircr
211 GentFromAlaska : Heard today (Friday) on Fox Business News from an F9 executive at DEN. F9 is at 97% capacity across their fleet this Memorial Day weekend. A good lead
212 PlanesNTrains : I'd think that the Alaska Airlines of the East Coast is JetBlue. They are positioned well to feed international alliances at JFK and BOS, have a grea
213 bjorn14 : I've heard as much as 60% leakage from COS to DEN.
214 rampart : I'd be interested if you could recall a source for that. It would not surprise me. In the hyperstimulation of WestPac, COS had over 2 million enplane
215 LAXintl : You ask and, you shall get.... (as part of a bigger report) Currently, COS is retaining more than 55% of the traffic in its primary catchment area, de
216 rampart : Thanks! I wasn't too far off with my back of envelope guesses based on historical enplanements. I agree with your assessment of the gray area. WP was
217 LAXintl : IMO its pretty poor that COS today sees 45% of its primary market go elsewhere. When you add in the broader secondary markets almost 82% of COS entire
218 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : This tells me the military installation Commanders have set policy to use COS in lieu of having official military travelers drive and fly out of DEN
219 dbo861 : Does anyone know how the new CID-DEN service is doing? I wonder how soon we'll see it operate daily.
220 mikefrommke : Just checking a sprinkling of seat maps, seems to be filling well in June. Who knows the yield though...
221 BostonMike : Any thoughts on why Skywest stock keeps sinking while RAH is inching higher?
222 mikefrommke : While I don't have a lot of knowledge on Skywest's financials, RJET is gaining based on speculation that the F9 sale will happen in Q3. Also, with th
223 bahadir : It looked really full both ways last week.
224 MSYtristar : Southwest is starting MCI-MSY in November. I can't see F9 staying In the market after that. I hope they can do something else out of MSY like a flight
225 smoot4208 : WN is also starting DEN-SDF.
226 Daus : Not sure if this was announced before but I just got an email from Fromtier saying Milwaukee frequent flyers are going to be able to transfer miles to
227 mcg : Is F9 paying for the DL miles to accomplish this transfer? Is DL doing it for free as a marketing program?
228 Daus : Doesn't say. My guess it's being comped by Delta to capture market share. There were a lot of NWA miles which went to Delta as well. I'm sure F9 enjoy
229 mcg : That's different, DL bought NWA.
230 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : F9 launches service between DEN and Punta Cana http://media.frontierairlines.com/ar....cfm?article_id=5362&view_id=1290&[Edited 2012-06-09 07:
231 Post contains images point2point : WOW! About 10 days and no one posting on this thread. Where is everyone.... summer vacation? Did F9 cease it's flights? I took a look at the F9 schedu
232 mariner : Um - most of the seats on all of the flights are sold through Apple. Frontier only has about 30 or so seats to sell, sometimes not that many, sometim
233 point2point : Okay, but on F9s website, it still shows that a lot of seats are available. So then Apple isn't doing it's job of selling seats?
234 mariner : Apple bookings are not related to Frontier's booking. The Frontier website only shows the seats Frontier has sold, not the total number of pax on the
235 Post contains images point2point : Okay.... that's how that works. Learn something new each day, eh?
236 mariner : It's how it works on some routes - the routes that are initiated by Apple and on which Frontier is allocated a number of seats. That number can be a
237 sunking737 : Frontier finally got boring.
238 freakyrat : About time Frontier starts SBN-DEN-SBN service with the SCASD grant money. Maybe before Notre Dame Football season.
239 ridgid727 : Hey mods, how about starting a new thread for this, its getting too long.
240 GentFromAlaska : No news is good news usually!
241 Post contains links FRNT787 : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fro...t-entertainment-options-2012-06-18 Looks like Frontier has changed their pricing structure on the DirecTV. Now
242 Post contains images point2point : It seems that UA has been stealing all of the thunder at DEN as of the last few weeks, eh? And I guess that pmUA has now thrown down the towel at DEN
243 rj777 : I'm just glad WN is bringing back some of the non-stops that F9 abandoned in MKE starting this fall!
244 smoot4208 : Does anyone know where Apple Vacationsis flying out of MKE? Just curious as it seems possible that F9 could be taking over that flying soon.
245 Post contains links mke717spotter : UGH! Well gee this would've been nice to know BEFORE I transferred ALL my miles over to DL... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sou...donate-miles-to-c
246 jpetekyxmd80 : Son of a ........ This sucks.
247 jpetekyxmd80 : Wow, the plot thickens. Look at Frontiers website now. "Charitable Donations We are currently evaluating our charitable mileage donation program. This
248 mke717spotter : Hopefully they'll refund the miles back to F9 and give everyone a fresh choice between WN and DL. I like DL but these miles would be more useful for
249 CarsAir04 : you have to wonder though, was this done behind F9's back, where as the DL miles transfer was initiated by Frontier and this one was initiated by WN
250 jpetekyxmd80 : Of course it was done behind their back.
251 rampart : Why would DL do that?? For all the lore of victimization at the hands of Braniff and American, Southwest has certainly mastered the art of corporate
252 jpetekyxmd80 : AirTran did a similar thing when Midwest was being converted to Frontier programs.
253 CarsAir04 : makes you wonder who the bad guy will be. WN will look good for offering miles if you donate to charity, and F9 will look bad by shutting down their
254 Post contains images mariner : Why would they do that? Frontier has offered a greta deal with Delta - why would Frontier do anything to make life easier for you to go their most fe
255 jpetekyxmd80 : Why would Frontier care? The only people who will see F9 as the 'bad guy' here are those with a completely superficial understanding of the situation
256 Post contains images point2point : Does F9 or its press in MKE even matter anymore? I do add this with some more whiff of ridicule here..... At this point, exactly...... May F9 do here
257 knope2001 : Actually Southwest's new flights out of MKE are replacing AirTran flights, not Frontier. And except for an increase in MSP flights, the combined WN+F
258 rampart : Same lack of ethics. They're made for each other.
259 Post contains images mariner : It's a very neat stalemate by Frontier, though. mariner
260 smoot4208 : Saw some of the SCASD grant proposals and saw AVL and ABE want F9 service to DEN. While I know there is no guarantee from F9 to the city that will sta
261 Post contains links mariner : Frontier has made no commitment to the route at all. Here's the actual proposal, and yes, AVL wants DEN: http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf84/788.pdf
262 point2point : and if they get them, and actually fly them, I think that there will be ABE-MCO and AVL-MCO soon after....
263 mikefrommke : They already fly ABE-MCO...
264 GentFromAlaska : I suppose the SCASD criteria would allow AVL to be connected to TYS-DEN as a rider on the western side of Appalachia. The two airports are separated
265 smoot4208 : F9 announced new 2 x weekly DRO-LAS service starting in October with an A319
266 smoot4208 : Also looking at the updated routemap, DEN-MZT and DSM-TPA appear to be gone
267 floridaflyboy : Haven't seen an announcement, but the route map now displays DEN-MTJ. Edit: Never mind, I think that's Great Lakes to TEX. Great Lakes isn't listed on
268 GentFromAlaska : Also from F9 media the MDT-DEN service has been extended through late October, the 27th I believe. Apparently their is higher than expected demand fo
269 ATWZW170 : I love the fact that Frontier is trying different routes but I hate that it is coming at the cost of MCI. There was a time when Frontier was saying MC
270 Post contains images point2point : I would wonder if FNL could be an F9 station? G4 is already there with service to LAS and AZA. Maybe F9 could work out a couple of flights a day from
271 GentFromAlaska : A new Sheriff (CEO) in town will do that. Historically 90-180 days for a top to bottom review and then another 90 to put the changes in motion. As ge
272 mikefrommke : Interesting route for DRO-LAS, wish them well on it. Can we expect more subweekly P2P vacation routes this winter?[Edited 2012-06-28 07:21:49][Edited
273 PlaneAdmirer : Is there enough O & D business in TYS to become a focus city?
274 mikefrommke : That would be my concern. I could see some P2P routes, but not a full fledged connecting hub. The east coast has a lot of capacity that would likely
275 Post contains images point2point : I don't think so. If there was any airport in the South that could even with the remotest of chance to work as a hub I think that it would be MSY. Ho
276 rampart : Just like old Frontier (love them or hate them, it was that kind of relationship), they did have that sort of leverage and recognition. FNL might be
277 GentFromAlaska : Thus far TYS has held its own. Although the routes are seasonal and its a long season. TYS of course if the gateway to the Great Smokey Mountains Nat
278 slcdeltarumd11 : Why not try to take something out of the allegiant playbook and prevent them from moving in. It could work i love the effort they are well known in D
279 mikefrommke : Why would they go somewhere with already low yields? They aren't running a charity. I'm all for an eastern focus city/hub, but they really can't affo
280 Post contains images point2point : Why? F9 is a Denver product, born, raised, signed, sealed and delivered all in DEN, and when F9 focuses in on DEN, they tend to do well. When they at
281 mikefrommke : My personal reason is that I like to fly F9 but now being MKE based it limits my options. I'd love to have more but I doubt it'll happen out of MKE.
282 Post contains images point2point : That is an excellent reason, per se. The more cities and routes F9 has, the more options one has to fly them. However, reality check though requires
283 mcg : I know someone who flew ORD - HDN two winters ago and there were eight passengers on the 738. I suspect the reason service has declined at HDN is tha
284 smoot4208 : Also on top of DEN-MZT and DSM-TPA being removed, OMA-TPA and OMA-LAX are gone. It looks like OMA-LAX will end on 9/3. The rest of the routes were sea
285 GentFromAlaska : For clarification my post was a forward looking in the event MCI meets MKE fate. Not that F9 should establish a focus city at TYS in addition to MCI
286 NWADTWE16 : First Post Woohoo! Ive been lurking these F9 threads for months and while i dont work for them i am really pulling for them. We need airlines like VX|
287 rampart : I think unless it's San Diego, every place will have some sort of hazard that could disrupt operations. -Rampart
288 mikefrommke : A few quarters ago they mentioned in one of the calls that they apparently got new software to help with revenue management, hopefully that's at work
289 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Fox Business News just interviewed Mike Boyd who reported the Boyd Group has hired former F9 CEO Jeff Potter to be The Boyd's Group new President. htt
290 F9animal : Great news! Potter is a great leader, and I wish he had never left F9. He and Addoms were the best leaders of F9. What followed Potter since has been
291 Metrojet732 : I would love to see F9 expand in FLA!! They have such a better product then WN/NK or any low fare carrier..... I'd like to see them add cities like Da
292 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : F9 congratulates Airbus on its new Alabama production facility http://media.frontierairlines.com/ar....cfm?article_id=5371&view_id=1290& I'm c
293 MSYtristar : I doubt it, although it'd be nice to diversify one day. I can't see TYS being a focus city. I can see TYS gaining another route or two one day, but n
294 mikefrommke : I'm not sure why those 2 things have much to do with each other? It just means the delivery flights won't be as long. I think we will see some expans
295 F9animal : I think MEM is lacking service lately. Is three times a charm? Wish F9 would have maintained service there, but now would be a prime time to go back.
296 JetBlueAUS : While Memphis is lacking service from its previous levels I think O&D traffic at the airport is too low to sustain profitability.
297 GentFromAlaska : My thought process was 3-5 years out; if Airbus might diversify into light maintenance or possibly perform F9 C-checks at the Mobile production facil
298 Post contains links mariner : I wasn't hugely optimistic about DEN-GTF when it was first announced, but it seems I was wrong: http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...four-day-week-d
299 Post contains links kingcavalier : Those are good numbers for GTF. I believe most of F9's new routes are getting traction and they might have found their best niche with this new formul
300 GentFromAlaska : Sounds familiar. A small market adjacent to Canada which would not normally appear on radar. Dare I say it mimics JNU (Juneau)
301 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I'm curious were Canadians driving to GFT for better airfares are originating from. On a road trip in 2007 we reentered the U.S. at the Customs-Borde
302 GentFromAlaska : Correction GTF vs GFT
303 F9animal : This is great news. I suspect that the program Frontier purchased is starting to bring some good results. I think with loads that high, now would be
304 smoot4208 : Looks like F9 is ending service to ICT and also will not resume seasonal service to TUS this winter.
305 enilria : Since it would appear that F9 will not be sold (it's been a year with no interest), I wonder when they will go forward with the spin-off to the share
306 Post contains images point2point : Most likely, F9 needs at least a couple of quarters of some profit to get any interest in buying it. F9 now is the heart, soul, and king kahuna as to
307 azstar : Apparently the "hometown" doesn't agree. It didn't take long for WN to completely overtake F9 in DEN, and it wouldn't surprise me if those "hometown
308 PlaneAdmirer : Good grief... Those of us in Denver should take a good look at the fares in Houston where Southwest and United dominate. Southwest is only a low fare
309 Post contains images point2point : Maybe...... However, all it takes is for F9 to turn in some good profits, and on that point I think that we can all agree. Whether they do or not rem
310 kingcavalier : I am not surprised about ICT. I believe the E190's days are numbered at F9 so any market that cannot support Airbus service should be concerned.
311 slcdeltarumd11 : I think alot of people are feeling like southwest is the hometown airline in Denver now almost. They have risen from nothing to the largest domestic o
312 Airlinewatcher1 : As a Denver native, I try to support Frontier whenever I can. Overall, they offer a good product and they certainly need my business more than UA or W
313 rj777 : As far as the "hometown" airline goes, Midwest used to be MKE's hometown airline. Frontier essentially turned their backs on it over time, and now it
314 kingcavalier : F9 never asked for MKE. That was Republic's decision. To be clear folks you ain't the hometown airline unless you are headquartered there.
315 mariner : There seems to be some contradiction in those two statements. Myself, I have no idea what this "hometown airline" concept is, or what it is worth, if
316 Post contains links and images SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and difficult to manage for some users. Therefore it will be locked for housekeeping purposes only. All posts added
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