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US Airways Strikes Merger Deal With AA Unions Part 1  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26685 times:

Is this unprecedented? Making deals with the unions independent from management? Seems odd to me but I'm no bankruptcy expert...To clarify: This is NOT a merger. But it appears that US management has reached agreements (signed? binding? or letters of intent?) with three major AA unions regarding a future merger...


AMR Unions Call for Merger Talks With US Airways

Should the takeover succeed, US Airways CEO Doug Parker will have struck a deal with three major airline unions, creating an industry giant.

The contracts would cover American Airlines workers if there's a merger with US Airways. However, US Airways says no deal on a merger has been made.

US Airways says the deals are with the Transport Workers Union, the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, and the Allied Pilots Association.

[Edited 2012-04-20 07:08:19]

[Edited 2012-04-20 07:45:17]

[Edited 2012-04-20 09:15:50 by SA7700]

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User currently offlineswafa From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26582 times:

Talked to an AA f/a enroute from PHX to LAX last night who mentioned this. I didn't believe her at the time. She said that, based on what she is hearing on her end, the f/a's are hoping for a merger with US Airways. They feel like their chances are better there. Also, she mentioned that in these negotiations the AA pilots were offered "Delta pay, plus 3%". Not exactly sure how to interpret that.

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26547 times:
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US reaches deals with AA pilots on a "proposed" future combined airline but still has no contract with its own pilots.

US is making a serious play but how will this combined company work with the labor relations at US so fractured as it is?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26527 times:

This is a hostile take-over attempt by US. Reaching a deal with the unions costs them no money, yet. But they still have to make a deal with the AA creditors (and that will cost them money), who then have to go to the Bankruptcy Judge for approval. AA will be able to challange this in court, and right now it could go either way. Then there is the US Government who will look at the take-over to determine if it can legally begin the process.

The mainline AA is nearly twice the size of US. AA is aloso still sitting on some $4B USD to be able to fight a take-over, if they really want to.

The big problem I see here is if AA successfully fights off a hostile take-over from US, their cash reserves will be very low, and if DL decides to try a hostile take-over, they will be taken over.


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26433 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
AA is aloso still sitting on some $4B USD to be able to fight a take-over, if they really want to.

5.6 billion as of end of 1Q

AA ORD


User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26240 times:

Looks like US learned from the HP merger experience. Smart move, and probably appealing to the creditors who are otherwise going to be looking at serious labor discontent if they try to make draconian cuts in bankruptcy rather than take a merger deal that preserves most jobs.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 26060 times:

WSJ picked up on this as well


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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25985 times:

If US took over AA; how would the new combined airline rank against UA and DL?


AA will Rise Again!
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25932 times:

After the absolutely atrocious term sheet the flight attendants and pilots were presented with recently, one wonders if this isn't the employees trying to turn the tables on management and play hardball. They may be serious about a merger but it could also be a very ballsy negotiating tactic. Time to grab the popcorn and watch the show. I do hope for the best possible outcome though, I know how badly this process stinks.

User currently offlineoflanigan From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25922 times:

Isn't all the money AA is sitting on earmarked for day to day operations to keep the airline running, not to fend off any merger or acquisition?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25817 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 7):
If US took over AA; how would the new combined airline rank against UA and DL?

Assuming 2011 pax numbers hold, US+AA matches DL and surpasses UA.

That's assuming zero slot divesture and capacity trimming. Nor does this take into the account of the loyalty factor - when US jumps to oneworld, how would star alliance pax react? Follow US to oneworld or switch to more UA flying ?

In terms of destinations covered, it would be a slight increase over existing AA but probably fall short of UA or DL.


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1844 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25763 times:

If US takes over, wouldn't US be the purchasing airline though?

I'm willing to bet, however (and I don't want to say what I'm willing to bet) that the name will be one of 3 things:

-US Airlines
-American Airlines
-American Airways

And if you are wondering how they would operate the A330's alongside the 777s, ask DL. They seem to be pulling it off quite nicely.


User currently offlineflyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25767 times:

So AA Unions will negotiate with USAirways but not AA. This is screwed up. I hope AA takes this to the judge and screws AA unions over.

In this bankruptcy, USAirways is not allowed to do a hostile takeover. I don't see AA merging with USAirways. I do believe, from what I hear from bankruptcy lawyers, is that if this is true and AA unions are negotiating with other people and not their present employer, the judge can grant AA whatever it needs to be profitable which would be HORRIBLE terms to the AA unions.

This reason is why AE is working WITH AA, not against them.

FB05



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25770 times:

My guess is they'd use "American Airlines" with the US paint/branding ala "United" on Continental paint/branding.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11606 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25733 times:

AvWeek is reporting some more details of the agreements: apparently Parker agreed to the APFA's buyout proposal (AMR was stupid to not work with APFA on this weeks ago), but the Parker plan would also mean "some maintenance jobs still [would] be lost." Parker has also apparently signed up - at least in principle - to DOH seniority integration, which the article dryly notes "could adversely affect the legacy America West Airlines staff." Parker has apparently also agreed to no furloughs for any "current active" pilots or flight attendants.

Still interested to see what the USAirways unions have to say about all this, seeing as they appear to have been nonexistent in this process thus far. So the AMR unions have been negotiating with another company behind their own management's back, and the USAirways management has been negoiating with the AMR unions behind their own unions' backs. This will be absolutely fascinating to watch.


User currently offlineEaglePower83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25682 times:

Very interesting.
I really hope this doesn't damage either company or the employees.....but I also hope it helps loosten the stranglehold UA has on my primary route; BDL - ORD..........I'd like to fly AA now that the UA merger is in veritable chaos.


User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25646 times:

Letter to US Employees fro Doug Parker:

-------------------------
Dear Fellow Employees –

Today, we filed a statement (a form called an 8-K) with the Securities and Exchange Commission disclosing that we have signed agreements with the three unions that represent nearly 55,000 American Airlines employees. These unions are the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA) and the Transport Workers Union (TWU), which represents all of American Airlines' mechanics and fleet service employees. Shortly after our disclosure, these three unions issued a public statement announcing their support of a US Airways-American Airlines merger and that they have agreed to terms that would govern collective bargaining agreements for their members at the merged airline. I want to explain to you why we have done this and what it means.

First of all, today's news does not mean we have agreed to merge with American Airlines. It only means we have reached agreements with these three unions on what their collective bargaining agreements would look like after a merger, and that they would like to work with us to make a merger a reality. To get to an actual merger, many more things must happen including gaining the support of AMR's creditors, its management team and its Board of Directors. But this is obviously an important first step along that path and we are hopeful we can all work together to make this happen.

All of you have heard me talk about the benefits consolidation has created for US Airways and our industry. You have also heard me say that US Airways does not need to merge with anyone, as evidenced by our team's outstanding results. That is still the case, but after studying American Airlines' current state and their future plans, we have concluded that a merger with American, while they are undergoing their bankruptcy restructuring, represents a unique opportunity that we should not ignore. These beliefs are shared by the three American labor unions and we are delighted to have their support. Like us, they recognize the potential of a merger to improve the current and future careers of both airlines' employees.

Combining American Airlines and US Airways would create a preeminent airline with the enhanced scale and breadth required to compete more effectively and profitably. Our intention would be to put our two complementary networks together, maintaining both airlines' existing hubs and aircraft, and create an airline that could compete successfully with United, Delta and other carriers within our industry. A merged airline would provide competitive, industry-standard compensation and benefits, as well as improved job security and advancement opportunities for all employees of the combined airline. Most importantly, in American's standalone strategy, over 13,000 employees at American will lose their jobs. Our merger contemplates saving at least 6,200 of these positions. For the US Airways team, the agreements we have reached with the unions representing employees at American would also provide enhancements to the compensation and benefits currently in place here.

Today is one step in what will be a much longer process. For now, it remains business as usual. We must continue to provide the outstanding service that customers have come to expect from US Airways.

In the meantime, if you have any questions, please stay connected via Wings (www.wings.usairways.com) and we will continue to provide updates on our progress. Thanks for all that you continue to do to take care of our customers. Together, whether a merger is our future or not, we will continue to run a great airline and have a bright future ahead of us.

Sincerely,

Doug


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25625 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 11):
I'm willing to bet, however (and I don't want to say what I'm willing to bet) that the name will be one of 3 things:

-US Airlines
-American Airlines
-American Airways

Definetely would stay American Airlines. Worldwide brand recognition; not US Airlines, not American Airways or any other variation.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 13):
My guess is they'd use "American Airlines" with the US paint/branding ala "United" on Continental paint/branding.

The livery is a different story. I like the US Airways white and blue livery. It may work nicely for American and American Eagle.



AA will Rise Again!
User currently offlinegoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25626 times:

My guess is they'd use "American Airlines" with the US paint/branding ala "United" on Continental paint/branding.

It would be better to get away from the unpainted aluminum look from a cost perspective anyways. It costs AA more money to polish their unpainted birds than it would if they were painted and cleaned. So I'm told...


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25625 times:

Name: eastern023
Date: 2012-04-20 08:46:51


Quoting rj777 (Reply 11):
I'm willing to bet, however (and I don't want to say what I'm willing to bet) that the name will be one of 3 things:

-US Airlines
-American Airlines
-American Airways

Definetely would stay American Airlines. Worldwide brand recognition; not US Airlines, not American Airways or any other variation.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 13):
My guess is they'd use "American Airlines" with the US paint/branding ala "United" on Continental paint/branding.

The livery is a different story. I like the US Airways white and blue livery. It may work nicely for American and American Eagle.



AA will Rise Again!
User currently offlinerandyh3253 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25628 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):

Per this site http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-...rike-deal-2012-04-20?siteid=yhoof2
the U.S. Airways Unions support the plan.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9365 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25628 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 7):

If US took over AA; how would the new combined airline rank against UA and DL?

American would be the largest in terms of passenger miles flown.

Keeping the AA name is simple.

1. More appealing to the AA board.

2. More appealing to the local DFW market, which is considerably stronger than Phoenix and to keep them from all running to Southwest, the "other local" airline.

3. American name has a stronger international branding than US Airways. Also the American brand is strong in Latin America and the whole network out of Miami.

4. More appealing to a larger congressional delegation when it comes to future regulations discussion.



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25416 times:

Here are the details from APFA concerning how this will affect FAs. From www.apfa.org

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US Airways Q&A
This is APFA President Laura Glading with a Special Hotline Update for Friday morning, April 20, 2012.


The purpose of this address is to provide our members with the most critical facts. As you know, American Airlines management has made several excessive demands of our contract since filing for bankruptcy protection last November. Not only were their demands unreasonable, but their business plan was uninspired and not viable. My fellow union leaders and I had no choice but to evaluate alternatives.

Along with my counterparts at APA and TWU, I was approached by members of the US Airways’ management team who were interested in discussing a potential merger. Each of us – individually – came to the conclusion that a merger would be the best plan for our membership and the most successful option for the reorganization of our Company. In the days that followed APFA leadership, supported by our team of professionals, met with representatives from US Airways to hash out the details of how a merger would affect our flight attendants.

This agreement puts flight attendants in a far better position than any proposal American Airlines management has made. Equally important - is the business plan US Airways has put forward, which I strongly believe will bring American Airlines back to profitability and competitiveness. A combined US Airways and American Airlines will eliminate the competitive advantage of Delta and United and making us relatively competitive in both size and network.

After careful consideration, the APFA Board of Directors voted unanimously to sign an agreement in principle with US Airways, knowing that it was in the best interest of the membership.

Of course, this plan is not a perfect solution and we expect there to be bumps in the road, but I am confident that it is the best and most viable option available to us. More information can be found below and we will continue to update as material becomes available. Please check back frequently for the best and most accurate information.


Joint Union Press Release Regarding US Airways


Bridge Term Sheet Highlights

Early Out APFA's proposal accepted
No Furloughs
Wage Increases: 2.5% on effective date. 1.5% annually over next 5 years.
Retirement: Pension plan frozen. Replaced with a 401(k) contribution.
Current employees will receive automatic 401(k) contributions for 5 years, with no match requirement. Contribution levels as follows:
9.9% age 50 +
6.75% age 40 – 50
5.5% age 39 – below
At the conclusion of the 5 year period, all FAs would receive a 3% contribution with up to a 5.5% match.
Active Health Benefits: Better than AA’s proposed plan
Retiree Health Benefits: Implementation of Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association (VEBA).
Bidding: Preferential Bidding System (PBS) with our input
Reserve:
Incorporate earlier Reserve assignment notification
Add AM/PM Ready Reserve shifts.
Allow Reserve pick-up on days off to be paid on top of guarantee.
Current reserve rotation will be maintained.
Sequence Pay Protection: APFA proposal
Schedule Maximum:
Minimum of seventy (70) credit hours and a maximum of ninety (90) credit hours per bid period.
Flex in the maximum line value by an annual amount of twenty (20) hours, but in no case more than five (5) hours during any given month.
Incentive Pay/Per Diem: Incentive pay eliminated. Per diem rates increased to:
Domestic: $2.00
International: $2.20
International Override:
$3.00 per hour for each international leg. Override for deadhead, trip and duty rigs and trips “not flown” consistent with CBA
Combined Domestic & International Operation
Current Duty Rigs Preserved
Expedited Negotiations for New Contract: Negotiations for a market based contract will take place immediately following a single-carrier certification. If an agreement cannot be reached within 60 days of the certification the matter will be submitted to final binding arbitration.
Maintain all other provisions in our current Contract including:
Vacation accrual and pay
Current PVDs
Sick hour use and current sick policy
Current Hotel language
ATC/ Code 59
Galley pay

What the Analysts are Saying

Throughout the bankruptcy, financial and aviation industry analysts have been advocating for consolidation. Most are in agreement that the only way for American Airlines to stay competitive is to merge with another carrier.
See the links below for articles from some of the country's leading minds and publications:


http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/american_airlines/
http://beta.fool.com/tdalmoe/2012/04...ticker=LCC&source=eogyholnk0000001
http://business.time.com/2012/02/06/...-worst-managed-airline-in-america/
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2012/04/1...-dont-mess-with-american-airlines/
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...-TopStories+(Travel+-+Top+Stories)
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...an-ceo-pans-us-airways-merger.html
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/a...ain-name-purchases-to-be-believed/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...mr-creditors-on-takeover-plan.html
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...erger-us-airways-ceo-says/653851/1
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_new...acquire-american-out-of-bankruptcy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...es-merger-to-fill-revenue-gap.html
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowat...r-american-airlines-merger-report/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thestree...ant-deal-could-help-merger-effort/
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11383...s-airlines.html?cm_ven=forbeslinks
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/a...icleid=20120126_45_E1_CUTLIN603027
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...ey-to-us-merger-mania-6298050.html

APFA FAQs:
US Airways’ Bid for American Airlines

WHY A MERGER NOW?

Q. Why now?
A. To say that American Airlines is facing a challenging time is an understatement. Despite the sacrifices we have made over the years, management’s business plan and strategy for emerging from bankruptcy is not a workable solution for the survivability of our company or our careers. American Airlines’ plan includes gutting our contract, and leaves us no option other than to evaluate alternatives. After extensive discussions and study, we strongly believe that US Airways’ management team can help restore and grow American Airlines and sustain a future for our membership.

After much consultation with our attorneys, financial advisors and analysts, it is clear that a merger with another carrier is inevitable; the question is not if, but when, and with which carrier.
We strongly believe US Airways has presented us with an opportunity that is in the best interest of our flight attendants both individually and collectively.
Q. What is the short-term benefit?
A. Throughout the bankruptcy process, American Airlines has focused almost exclusively on its “cost” and “labor” problems. In an attempt to restructure and save the jobs of the dysfunctional management team, American Airlines has submitted a proposal to the bankruptcy court that would decimate our pay, weaken our work rules, cut our benefits, and cost thousands of flight attendants their jobs.
As APFA and other industry professionals have been saying for years, American’s problem is not with its costs, but with its revenues. And US Airways agrees. We’ve reached an interim agreement, referred to as a ‘bridge term sheet,’ with US Airways that would preserve - to a far greater extent - our jobs, pay, work rules and benefits than would American’s draconian, destructive plan.
Q. What are the long-term benefits?
A. The most recent industry mergers of Delta/Northwest and United/Continental have created two large airline competitors. They have strengthened their alliances and have taken market share away from American, leading to decreased revenue. This is the greatest factor contributing to the demise of the American Airlines we once knew.
The transaction with US Airways will make American among the nation’s largest carriers. US Airways’ plan strengthens our market position and creates critical opportunities for growth now rather than years down the road. Our airline’s future is far brighter with this transaction and the US Airways team.
Critical to us, under the bridge term sheet for flight attendants, US Airways has agreed that if it buys American, there will be an expedited negotiations process that will result in a joint contract that, as a whole, is market-based.
Q. When would our bridge term sheet take effect?
A. After American emerges from bankruptcy and US Airways takes control of American.

Q. Why couldn’t we just wait for American to buy US Airways after it gets out of Bankruptcy?
A. First, bankruptcy will be a lengthy process that takes many, many months. In the interim, if the bankruptcy court approves the Company’s proposal, we would suffer for many years with excessive and unnecessary job cuts, pay and benefit reductions, and diminished work rules. Second, American may not be in a position to make a transaction happen once it emerges from bankruptcy. Third, our competitors are not going to stand still and wait for American to play “catch-up.” And finally, an American acquisition of US Airways would leave the current management team in place – a management team that no longer deserves our confidence.
Q. I heardDelta was interested; wouldn’t they be a better choice than US Airways?
A. Delta has never reached out to APFA to discuss a potential purchase. Also, APFA and our professionals believe that the U.S. government would likely have significant anti-trust issues with a Delta-American transaction. To address those concerns, Delta would have to break up the company; take over certain assets and/or hubs while United and otherairlines could pick from what was left over. There is no certainty for flight attendants in this plan. Clearly, this is not a path that would be in our best interest.
Q. Will the name of the merged carrier be American or US Airways.
A. American.
Q.Where will Corporate Headquarters be located?
A. US Airways plans onkeeping the headquarters for the merged carrier in Dallas-Fort Worth.
Q.What are the US Airways base cities?
A. Philadelphia, Washington DC, Phoenix, Charlotte.
Q.How will seniority integration be handled if US Airways buys American?
A.Under Federal law (McCaskill-Bond Amendment) APFA and AFA will try to reach agreement on seniority integration. If anagreement cannot be reached, under McCaskill-Bond the matter must be submitted to binding arbitration.

Q. What happens if US Airways’ offer to buy American Airlines is not approved?
A. We would continue to work through the bankruptcy process.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6219 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25375 times:

Oh brother, the coming months/weeks will prove interesting.
I have said it before and say it again, mergers are not necesaily good for us employees. I have met so many NWA, CO and UAL employees let go from their positions when their respective mergers happened that this always malkes me very nervous. ALAS, all I can do is fasten my seatbelt and get ready for the rrollercoaster ride ahead.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25425 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 11):

I'm willing to bet, however (and I don't want to say what I'm willing to bet) that the name will be one of 3 things:

-US Airlines
-American Airlines
-American Airways

Maybe, "U.S. American"

My concern about the merger, apart from the decreasing competition among airlines, is the constant rush to the bottom in terms of service and the abusive charges and fees. At one time, American used to promote its self as the preeminent airline in the U.S. I wish the new merger would re-brand itself as a full service airline rather than the likely low cost carrier that a US Airways merger would take it.

I think there is a large enough traveling public that would rather fly a Hilton or Marriott (even Holiday Inn) than fly the Motel 6's. I don't think an airliner with divided cabins with 4-5 different levels of service is the answer. I shy away from United, especially for international services for that reason.


25 commavia : I say good. First off, this was always inevitable - USAirways was always going to attempt a hostile takeover of AMR in bankruptcy either way, and the
26 randyh3253 : I just hope in all this that while I expect AAdvantage to be the FF program they keep many of the Dividend Miles options. For example two years ago I
27 PHLwok : Maybe the US unions should negotiate with AA management to solve their own problems. Just kidding. More seriously, the AA unions may have come to the
28 WA707atMSP : I've said (and been flamed for) many times that I think US should focus on fixing the residual of the US / HP merger before they even think about tak
29 ripcordd : This will show the judge that AA managment has not negoiated in good faith if an outside company can come in a matter of weeks and reach 3 deals.
30 LDVAviation : Apparently, Parker told the AA unions the combined airline would retain the American name and its HDQ in Dallas... In principle, there is nothing wro
31 JFKPurser : AA has already been developing a new brand image -- this is something they have acknowledged internally and confirmed with employees. It will involve
32 PHXA340 : I don't see the other creditors going along with this unless Parker is willing to put his money where is mouth is. US doesn't bring a lot to the table
33 PlaneAdmirer : Please keep in mind that AMR is still in its Exclusivity Period - meaning no one else can propose a plan or reorganizatoin besides the debtor for now.
34 JFKPurser : Rumor from within the machine is that PBGC is solidly aligned with union plans, along with Boeing. Same machine that told me a week ago this was all
35 sbworcs : Can you imagine the uproar (and it has happened) where the management have made agreements with staff behind the unions back?
36 PHXA340 : I have no reason to doubt ya about PBGC , as far as Boeing goes, I would love to pick their brain to understand their reasoning ... unless Parker has
37 JFKPurser : Actually, this "mistake" was to the advantage of AMR employees. The terms AA had on the table in the event of a BK filing back on 2003 war fear worse
38 jfk777 : What is so bad about Delta pay + 3% ? Its a new world AA pilots ?
39 bjorn14 : The big problem for AA is that they don't have a say in the matter anymore....a judge and a few creditors do. The interesting thing with US/AA unions
40 LDVAviation : Now, let's talk more about that... If you can get us some early concept drawings, I will throw my support behind the US merger. LOL. There is no hono
41 us330 : Not reaching a deal is not evidence of not being in good faith--and its hard to prove "lack of good faith." To not negotiate in good faith, they woul
42 MaverickM11 : Scope, I suspect
43 oflanigan : It sounds like he has stating that current orders including B737's would continue.
44 PHXA340 : Right but they would still be included even if this merger didn't happen , Boeing has more to lose if they become merged with US. I am wondering if U
45 Post contains images commavia : Gerard Arpey, is that you?
46 JFKPurser : How a heightened employee morale plays into the overall economic future of any New AA is rarely acknowledged or discussed. And obviously, Horton and
47 JFKPurser : Touche! Arpey was no Crandall, and I'm sure he had the best intentions. We are where we are. That's all I'm going to say about 2003.
48 mogandoCI : Or was it ? By doing BKs early in the decade, they've all cleaned their balance sheets and restored profitability by middle of the decade, and allowi
49 billreid : It is not a Hostile takeover. It is working with each member of the Creditors committee and getting all the ducks in a row. Parker learnt a great dea
50 flashmeister : I'm not sure that I agree with you. One thing that has emerged from the mega-sized-post-merger-carriers is that exclusivity with one manufacturer is
51 Creep : From the APA President to AA Pilots: Fellow pilots, It was announced this morning that the three unions at American Airlines—Allied Pilots Associati
52 ckfred : I talked a while back to a friend of mine who is a 737 captain with AA. His opinion is that while Bob Crandall made AA an industry leader, his managem
53 JFKPurser : AA had done (and continues to worsen it with their 1113 motion to reject contracts) terminal, irreparable damage to their labor relationships complet
54 commavia : If this means that a strong, economically sustainable company can allow more people get to keep better jobs, than I'm all for it. Again - there is pl
55 ckfred : But, I'm curious as to how this will work. US pilots lost their pensions in bankruptcies. Does the APA think that by merging with US, they think they
56 PlaneAdmirer : And if he is successful in buying AA out of bankruptcy, all of which will some day be directed towards him. Hate doesn't die easily.
57 kaitak : This is a very interesting situation; basically, the message to Horton and senior AA management is "do you want to waste AA's cash pile (not a good mo
58 dlramp4life : Agreed. AA is going to fight back against it, how will they do it? we have have to stay tuned. I totally agree with WA707, If they cant get the preme
59 PHXA340 : Respectfully disagree here , I think a stand alone AA is stronger. US doesn't bring a lot of the plate - Weaker hubs besides CLT and DCA , an embarra
60 LAXdude1023 : The pensions of the FA's are frozen under the US agreement. I would imagine the pilots are the same.
61 flyguy89 : As a creditor, I don't know that I would agree with these moves. Even though I wouldn't particularly be opposed to an AA/US merger, especially down th
62 Post contains images PHXA340 : Agreed 100%. US needs to get its own house in order. Everyone is saying this merger is basically done, lets wait and see what the actual creditors ha
63 MaverickM11 : US is humming along just fine thank you. The pilots decided to go shoot themselves in the foot and US has proven the carrier can run an excellent ope
64 PHXA340 : Not going to disagree there but comparing it the other US legacies. They don't have any product differentiation, a negligent long haul network, and a
65 STT757 : B6?
66 MAH4546 : Yes. And,AS, too. AA and B6 are very eager to expand their codeshare dramatically once AA unions stop getting in the way of progress.
67 LHCVG : Where do US longhaul crews come from? Are they split as well, or are they all from the East side? What about a 3-way tie-up between AA, B6, and AS? T
68 JFKPurser : Keep your fingers crossed.
69 jamake1 : With all due respect, I don't think the complete gutting of CBA's is seen as "progress" by AA's collective unions. With AA's unions now firmly in Mr.
70 B377 : I'm confused. If the unions have the majority of votes on the Unsecured Creditors Committee, why did the TWU petition, earlier today, that the court
71 aluminumtubing : I happen to be a reluctant member of an airline union. While I believe in the principal of unions, I do not believe in what they have become. Having s
72 syncmaster : They've also seen (perhaps relatively) successful mergers with Delta and United. I'm not trying to imply that any merger is "easy" but Delta in parti
73 commavia : Some more interesting reportage from AvWeek. Their latest article details how USAirways executives and proxies have been working Capitol Hill for week
74 LDVAviation : Yeah, Crandall would have declared bankruptcy when United did. We have him on record saying that.
75 rdh3e : Meh, they'll probably do the same type of deal UA/CO did. UCH management is now about 53/47 UA to CO. Just take whoever is better at their job. That'
76 LDVAviation : The carrier was a mess financially, but it had very valuable strategic assets. And, it still does command some significant traffic flows. Combined wi
77 LHCVG : I see your logic, but I've been wondering which way that goes - does it help, or do US unions then feel like they're being usurped?
78 commavia : No argument. Have you let Laura know? She doesn't seem to agree. Again, no argument. It will be a combination - just like every other airline merger.
79 par13del : So you think that in the merger US employees will have much say, this is where finances meet the road. Litte US Airways because they have the money w
80 jfklganyc : "In principle, there is nothing wrong with this merger. In fact, there could be a lot that is good with it. If Parker got the pilots to agree to a B-s
81 EricR : Interesting to say the least. Parker is making a lot of commitments to the unions in an attempt to get their buy in for a merger. However, just like
82 ripcordd : AA unions will sacrifice pay to get AA's managment out but they wont sacrifice senority. This will give a reason for the east and west can to come tog
83 C010T3 : That's the thing. Seniority is something Parker is not in the position to negotiate alone. USAPA and APA will only meet next week.
84 slcdeltarumd11 : IMPOSSIBLE. Delta would not be allowed by the government. DL is simply too large and just merged with NWA.
85 HPRamper : I think this may be the key. And I like the idea. Domestic Airbus and long-haul Boeing. I don't get how this will happen as US has very little Midwes
86 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: WallStcheatsheet American Airlines Workers Stage Revolt "Parker made it very clear in his letter that the buyout would benefit the labor uni
87 IndustryInsider : If I was US, I would get my house in order with my own unions before making deals with AA's. Or, is the plan to offer the moon to the current US union
88 commavia : Doubtful. AA has literally hundreds of relatively new if not brand-new 737s that are highly unlikely to go anywhere. In fact, the flexibility inheren
89 apodino : While US doesn't have a "Strong" network in europe, they do have a much larger presence to a lot of smaller markets in Europe than AA, which means tha
90 commavia : I generally agree. This merger would bring the AA brand presence directly into several new European markets where it does not exist today, mostly fro
91 PHXA340 : Does the "New" AA go for the 787 or 350 ... IIRC AA has an MOU for the 787 but US has 20+ 350s on order , or do they go for both ?
92 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : While I'm a big fan of retaining the classic AA livery, this is steadily growing on me:
93 MAH4546 : The gutting of CBA's is always progress. Unions are destructive and malicious, as the AA unions have shown us. A company with weaker unions is a comp
94 AirCalSNA : Have to disagree ... looks even worse than with the US titles and logo, which gives US's bastardized hybrid livery a small dose of class. But I do th
95 JFKPurser : What an utterly repugnant statement.
96 iFlyLOTs : I feel that they should completely re-do the livery, something that has little or no connection to either current livery, maybe keep the eagle just b
97 joeman : and with ORD, DTW, and MSP megahubs all so close together in the day and age when this is proclaimed by a.netters to be unnecessarily redundant and c
98 JFKPurser : For the second time -- AA is going to be rebranded. New livery. Not current US livery. Not current AA livery. New -- different -- new -- livery. Been
99 boberito6589 : US' OCC in PIT was built anticpating a merger and the expansion of that building is all ready to go should a merger happen. It is a very nice facilit
100 steex : Right, but that's what AA is working on right now. If a merger with US were to happen, all bets are off. Parker & Co. have no obligation to keep
101 blink182 : I don't think there's any selfishness, and those "trivial" things will matter. Look at UA/CO and how Smisek basically kept the UA name without much e
102 PHXA340 : Its all the small things ... sorry couldn't resist the 182 reference. I think Parker deserves a little slack on the East/West Pilot issue as it was b
103 apodino : That doesn't mean anything though for an SOC. US current HQ is in PHX yet their OCC is in PIT.
104 SonomaFlyer : PHXA340, your points are valid. However, AA with contract adjustments and the addition of the new narrow bodies will be a powerhouse. They have a dece
105 Post contains images blink182 : Its what I get for creating this username as a nine year old... Was casually mentioned a few months ago. Will anything be unveiled in time for the 77
106 Post contains links syncmaster : Agreed, if they change the livery that is. But I would definitely change the titles to blue and make the tail logo all white. I'm not sure it will be
107 SXDFC : Since it seems like you have a bit of knowladge on this topic, do you know if its going to be something interesting, or something bland like that Jap
108 SPREE34 : That is not the fault of US management. That is soley the doing of USAPA. A contract cannot be negotiated, until USAPA agrees to seniority integratio
109 gigneil : I think this has been understated. The Unions are creditors. 3 of them. That's a significant vote. Consensus is not required. NS
110 klkla : It's this attitude which AA's management seems to share with you that very possibly will lead to it's ultimate downfall. The first mistake AA made wh
111 bobloblaw : 100% CORRECT ANALYSIS
112 chepos : I really don't understand the notion around here regarding labor nightmare, the current US Airways is operating without any issues with the two separa
113 ripcordd : mah4546 this statement is very ignorant of you. The gutting of CBA's is always progress. Unions are destructive and malicious, as the AA unions have s
114 PHXA340 : Woah , come on , thats not a balanced viewpoint of unions. WN, DL have strong unions that work well with management to deliver a great experience to
115 MAH4546 : Yup. It's terrible. But they are easier to fire and outsource, so they get the cut while the unions are protected. Unfortunately, unions turn jobs li
116 PHXA340 : How is what a flight attendent does any less important than what you do for your career. I am sorry but this has to be the most ignorant comment I ha
117 LAXdude1023 : What is happening to the scope regarding flight length? Pilot pensions? I know the FAs are being frozen.
118 MAH4546 : Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was "less important." I said it was a highly disposable job, which it is. Easily trained, and plenty of
119 etops1 : From what I have heard US is offering its FA 's a $40,000 buy out package with lifetime medical . They are matching the 401 k 10% after 50 yrs of age
120 flflyguy : I find it interesting that on the day that AA management received the possibly ultimate vote of no confidence from its employees, the only update to t
121 EA CO AS : I'm no union cheerleader, but saying being a flight attendant is a "career" in parentheses like that, as if you're marginalizing the legitimacy of th
122 Creep : Subject: Notes from APA Meeting Name stays AA HQ in DFW US comes to Oneworld (hurts UAL) Pay banding Starting point is current green book. 5.5% raise
123 jpetekyxmd80 : Me too. I'm of the opinion AA unions have been quite unreasonable in many ways, but that really is insulting to marginalize a profession like that. E
124 Boeing773ER : I think this merger is going to occur, it has most of the right components. Parker pretty much dealt with AA's top problem first, the Unions. With the
125 Byrdluvs747 : One thing that hasn't been discussed(or very little) is scope. Has there been any mention about ULH flying? There would have to be some elaborate fenc
126 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Interesting times ahead. Seems that this carrier loves swallowing other carriers and taking their identity I really can not see how keeping all the st
127 jpetekyxmd80 : Well, if that's something supposed to appeal to a 13 year old, seems like half of these airlines these days must be going after the 10 and under demo
128 JFKPurser : I have been assured by sources close to the matter that creditor approval is not an issue. There several other members of the UCC who actually agreed
129 Post contains images 1337Delta764 : And here is the new merger logo:
130 Post contains images EA CO AS : Lighten up, Francis. I didn't make it; I merely re-posted it here. Settle down.
131 ripcordd : FYI Arpey was not forced out he left because of them filing for BK he was against it from day one good or bad he stood his ground. I have seen what US
132 AirCalSNA : Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
133 Byrdluvs747 : So are you saying that AA should strive to look like an airline run by 10 year olds?
134 JFKPurser : Yes -- you're right. Airlines with highly-paid, long tenured FAs like Lufthansa and Cathay Pacific have continually lost billions and billions of dol
135 jpetekyxmd80 : No, i'm saying that it's a step above some of the genuinely crap liveries out there.
136 JFKPurser : Same is true for FA union -- APFA becomes governing agent on day of merger due to majority. Not sure about TWU... Which is exactly why this is going
137 aluminumtubing : Yes -- you're right. Airlines with highly-paid, long tenured FAs like Lufthansa and Cathay Pacific have continually lost billions and billions of dol
138 LFutia : Not gonna happen and besides as stated in several posts, "A WHOLE NEW IDENTITY WILL BE CREATED" and besides that looks absolutely childish. Leo/ORD
139 Rising : If it sounds too good to be true, it always is. Most of the comments in this thread read like a press release from US Airways. I think anyone working
140 YYZAMS : I hope they come up with something better than the wonderful creativeness United proved. I hope it will be something innovative for the industry...lik
141 crj900lr : SHARES has to go. It is a horrible system. SABRE is the right choice, much easier to use. Yes there are alot of entries to remember but once you do t
142 Avianca : what about US American Airlines or US American Airways! sounds not to shaby!
143 flyfree727 : You are exactly right! I think many management types hiding behind profiles on here are starting to show their true colors.. Oh my when KARAM rears h
144 N62NA : Uh.... no. And I am no big fan of unions, but in the private sector, unions are even to this day useful. Now, if you're talking public sector.... Som
145 SPREE34 : Have you read the thread? Already announced, and quoted in numerous replies. It's going to be American.
146 texan : From a purely business perspective, mah4546 is right, though. Companies dislike having unionised employees. Dealing with unions increases labour cost
147 jamake1 : MAH4546 is certainly entitled to his opinion (although I do find that his rancorous anti-union bias somewhat undermines is otherwise reasoned credibil
148 jpetekyxmd80 : I can't think of a better industry to exemplify the conundrum of unions gone bad, yet the fundamental need for their presence (or right to form).[Edit
149 HPRamper : Yeah, too bad USAPA found a way to nullify binding arbitration. Ramp is IAM. HP used to be TWU. Redundant and silly. Reminds me of the commercials on
150 Mcoov : Nope. Can't do it. Can't conceive that they would use the U.S. Airways paint with the American name. All the images posted so far look horrendous. I'm
151 Byrdluvs747 : Well sorry, but I (and I'm sure many others) believe that anything replacing the current world-known AA livery, should be far more than a mere step a
152 AAIL86 : Fair enough. But from a purely societal perspective - he is not. People are not widgets coming off a production line - although its tempting in this
153 TSS : This is pretty much what I've been thinking the entire time I've been reading this thread. Sure, Mr. Parker's offers sound great, but the cynic in me
154 peanuts : US (appearance, culture, "charisma" etc etc. wise) is the red headed stepchild of all the legacies. Surely, this time, ouch, Parker wouldn't miss an o
155 LDVAviation : It is the truth. And, no one other than Mr. Crandall ventured such an opinion in 1993 (I think). It inflamed the FA union, with which he was negotiat
156 USAirALB : I have been thinking a lot about this proposed merger recently..and it left me with so many questions. For example: -Will US's secondary European mark
157 flyfree727 : Just one small problem with your accusations.. AA got EVERYTHING they wanted in 2003.. These were AA's demands, NOT the unions. So, in essence, AA wa
158 LDVAviation : So, you think there is no moral hazard to knowing this and even asking for more when AA tried to renegotiate those terms over 5 years ago? Meanwhile,
159 JFKPurser : This is a place to freely express one's opinions. Ostensibly, a person with as much first-hand and immediate -- practically knee-jerk -- knowledge of
160 SPREE34 : True, this. BTW, the union groups still got their cash. A lot of the bonus money went poof with the filing.
161 flyfree727 : This, from the New York Times... In a series of stunning events, Mr. Carty's career began to crumble on the night of April 15, when American made a f
162 william : The issue about US other unions are a non issue if I am understanding this correctly. AA union employees win the numbers game so US employee unions ha
163 texan : Not disagreeing. But not only is it tempting in this forum to look at people as widgets coming off a production line, it is also how management often
164 JFKPurser : Yes. For FAs at least, a new contract must be negotiated within 60 days of the actual merge date that will cover the entire (merged) FA workforce. An
165 Post contains links and images DocLightning : So... as my husband just pointed out: This means that little, tiny Tempe-based America West Airlines View Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas Merkl Is a
166 joeman : Best comment yet
167 Post contains links LDVAviation : Come on, do your research. As I said, this revolt took place after Carty was long gone and the concessionary contracts were in force. From the Huffin
168 jamake1 : Excellent post, Mr. JFK Purser. I can hardly believe it came from an-easily replaceable idiot such as yourself. Perhaps if...as you said, MAH4556 sta
169 GREATANSETT : Many years ago, who would have thought America West taking over American Airlines. What 10 years can do...
170 MAH4546 : Haha, hysterical. My only stake in AMR is that, as a Platinum flier, the quality of my flight experience will dramatically decrease, along with the v
171 crAAzy : 100% agree! We'll at least it appears that way at this time. Personally, I would be quite excited to see AA/US gain the "critical mass" needed to com
172 Chicagoflight : This AMR bankruptcy was never about AA not being able to pay its bills. It has always been about reducing costs by voiding all labor agreements. The u
173 LDVAviation : Horton may still outsmart you yet. You know how the saying goes, Don't count your chickens before... I would do a little more homework on how the cou
174 airlinespotter : Ummm, everyday that goes by, the backbone that supporting these statements is getting weaker and weaker and weaker. Read below: [Edited 2012-04-20 23
175 airlinespotter : What has AA offers to the unions so far?
176 flyfree727 : So, in order to keep your flight experience at levels you've grown accustom to, lets unemployee 13,000 plus people, wipe out decades of pensions, tak
177 Post contains images ocracoke : And this is how DL will try to get a foot into the door. The remaining creditors will want money. Lots of it. And where will the money for such a dea
178 eastalt : I have a question? US Airways got the support of the unions for a take over, however I would like to know how the Customer Service Agents at AA will f
179 Post contains images Chiad : If merged the combined Airline will have 546 A320 family aircraft when all NEO's are delivered (and a whooping 911 with options) The fleet itself wil
180 TSS : A low-ball opening bid from which to start negotiations. I don't think for a second that AMR actually expected their opening bid to be accepted.
181 MAH4546 : Of course I am. Why is that ironic? The business side of Hollywood generally can't stand the Hollywood unions. No, it has to do with unions. Unions h
182 Post contains images RyanairGuru : At first I thought the same. But Parker's no fool: anyone who can turn - arguably - two weakest airlines in the USA (HP and PMUS) and create a consis
183 MAH4546 : You don't need "experience" to be a great flight attendant. A great flight attendant is somebody with good customer service skills and a friendly att
184 NorthstarBoy : It seems to me that when Parker offers the unions the raises they want to get on board with his plan he's staring at the 4.5billion in unrestricted ca
185 anfromme : It's precisely that attitude ("Your'e all replaceable widgets and should be happy to be paid at all.") from a lot of customers (as well as management
186 Byrdluvs747 : AA unions are some of the most paid and least productive, and they fought to the bitter end to keep it that way. Pilots, and FA's lived in some alter
187 mariner : Happily, we have the unions in Hollywood to keep the rapacity of some producers at bay. You cannot begin to compare Hollywood, there the majority of
188 LAXdude1023 : You guess wrong. The HQ will still be there. The answer is somewhere in between. Coddling your employees so much that you sacrifice your best custome
189 par13del : Is this not what happened to US (twice) CO (twice) UA, NW, DL why is AA so special? I thought it was generally accepted by the majority that AA's fai
190 slcdeltarumd11 : David Bates, president of the Allied Pilots Association, which represents the pilots, said in a letter to members that a combined carrier would be bra
191 aluminumtubing : The bottom line here.......Companies get the unions they deserve and unions get the companies they deserve. Neither side has for many years shown any
192 SPREE34 : THAT! ^^^^^^^^^^^ Some can argue that statement oversimplifies the issues. I could probably argue the point as well. No doubt what you say here has b
193 aluminumtubing : On a serious note... Companies have 3 primary constituencies they must tend to. Investors, customers and employees. Without all rowing in the same dir
194 JFKPurser : I would do a little more homework on how the court counts votes, in proportion to the final claims against the enterprise. [/quote][Edited 2012-04-21
195 JFKPurser : Clearly you don't understand to what degree this ball has already been set into motion. The money behind US is already there, as well as support from
196 aluminumtubing : This is very interesting based on what I am hearing. This is not the place to spill the details however. While I do not believe you always have to dan
197 JFKPurser : Agreed. I shudder to think that, at the expense of multi-million dollar salaries and undeserved bonuses paid to inept top airline managers, someone a
198 delta2ual : How is that possible? AA/US in ORD will be bigger than UA in ORD/CLE? Or DL at MSP/DTW/CVG? Am I missing something or are they counting DFW as the "M
199 ocracoke : Ironic because you enjoy the fruits of the Hollywood unions. First, if there were no powerful Hollywood unions demanding a contract that they fly 1st
200 STT757 : I think AA's management's plans of utilizing B6, and AS, for more of AA's domestic/Caribbean flying might be part of the rationale behind the AA pilo
201 Post contains images commavia : They must be. I, too, found that rather comical - but again, par for the course with the types of marketing/P.R. pronouncements that typically surrou
202 JFKPurser : This is credible and it is huge. Unprecedented. Don't worry -- you will see the money.
203 PlanesNTrains : Without disagreeing too much: 1. There are plenty of people with natural skills in this area that will be there regardless of payscale. There are ple
204 jetblast : MAH4546 hates flight attendants, we get it. It's not anything new to these forums. Unions are a fact of life in this industry. They are not going any
205 oflanigan : Does anyone know if the current US Airways unions were invited to at least observe these meetings between Management and the AA Unions?
206 MAH4546 : What are you talking about? EK and SQ are known for high FA turnover and EK especially is known for paying it's FA's very, very little. They both lik
207 jetblast : I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that you also hate unions. Your words speak loudly enough that there's no need for me to put them in your mouth, the m
208 LDVAviation : Clearly, you don't understand the order of priority of the claimants. You are an UNSECURED creditor. Ever wonder why that is? Let me simplify that fo
209 blink182 : Agreed. I'm surprised this hasn't ever come up, but codesharing is essentially outsourcing flying. I'm waiting for a press release that says a hypoth
210 juantrippe82 : Wow, there seems to be a variety of heated opinions on this board. I seem to be under the impression that American's unions can do whatever it pleases
211 JFKPurser : Everything I've said about this over the last several days, every word of which you openly doubted, has ended up coming true. But I guess with all of
212 MAH4546 : People seem to forget it will also be number one at LAX.
213 FutureUScapt : And perhaps even more importantly, the number one airline on the eastern seaboard - the largest air travel market.
214 USAirALB : I wonder if AA/US will call DCA a hub if the merger goes through.
215 Byrdluvs747 : I'm counting 15 LAX-PHX/PHL/CLT US flights. Will those flights really throw pmAA over the top?
216 commavia : Perhaps, although ultimately the term 'hub' is ultimately meaningless - as Southwest (with plenty of huge hubs that they simply don't brand as such)
217 sphealey : The fact that such practices are illegal under United States labor law is apparently not a concern to you in your theory of airline labor management
218 MAH4546 : Yes. AA is less than 2% behind UA/CO, and that 2% doesn't even include the 10% in mainline departure increases AA adds by itself in June.
219 SonomaFlyer : It will be very interesting to see what information leaks about the Secured Creditors' reaction to the US proposal. I have zero reason to doubt JFTPur
220 MAH4546 : That's not my beef whatsoever. The pay scale of flight attendants should be economically maximized to the airline's operating benefit. Given the high
221 AA767400 : Your beef is that the unions held AA back from becoming profiterable. You blame the APA for AA not getting that China Award a couple years back. You
222 ripcordd : MAH4546 I'm strictly anti-union to every respect, not just AMR. Unions have worked to destroy American industry for the past 30 years. You should look
223 MAH4546 : They played a major role in that, but AA management is also largely to blame as it didn't take enough steps to properly redesign it's network and pro
224 AA767400 : Proves me wrong? UA offered their FAs an early out with full medical benefits. Thousands left, yes thousands. Then UA did the unthinkable and rejecte
225 MAH4546 : Good. That's exactly what it needs to be! And to argue that it would lower the customer service experience is ridiculous. Asian airlines renowned for
226 SPREE34 : I was told no, by an AA pilot. He wasn't there either, so......
227 RyanairGuru : That's hardly an analogous situation. Yes SQ hires on five year contracts - which AFAIK would not be illegal in the USA - but they are VERY tough on
228 MAH4546 : Ridiculous comparison. That's not what I propose whatsoever. If a company creates a high standard and customer first training regime, then young empl
229 CoachClass : Delta's F/As are now and have always been non-union and yet Delta went bankrupt! Except for the pilots, I don't believe that Delta has one union to d
230 AAIL86 : Alright - I'm going to call out both sides on this one. Airlines exist to serve the public - customers, employees, and shareholders - agree? I'd argue
231 oflanigan : So what about scope?
232 AngMoh : There are 2 sides here: first, SQ treats their FAs well. As such they have no problem attracting staff and be selective. I think an FA with SQ has a
233 VS11 : So if the secured creditors need now accept or reject US Airways' offer, when is that going to happen? Assuming they accept, what happens next? Can AA
234 JFKPurser : Hey, it's business.
235 JFKPurser : Because I'm relatively senior, fly out of a base with great flying opportunities and minimal days on generally, and, overall have it much better than
236 gigneil : Correct. NS
237 SPREE34 : Some time after the creditors have done their due diligence. They will want to compare the two plans, as well as any others that surface. Not if a co
238 ASFlyer : Maybe you should pack up and move to Asia so you can enjoy some of those disposable workers who provide fabulous customer service you desire so much.
239 AngMoh : It works the same in Asia... maybe even more so... I was just thinking: how do you expect to have great service in the US when the FAs are not allowe
240 jamake1 : Very well stated. I totally agree.
241 AA767400 : There is the problem. Where would you find an airline in the U.S. that has a high standard regime training? Sure, they can train all they want, but i
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US Airways West(AWA) 757 With Winglets posted Mon Jul 21 2008 13:34:05 by Bkircher
US Airways/AMR Merger - On Bloomberg posted Fri Jan 20 2012 11:17:21 by stlgph
Who Will US Airways Try To Merge With Now? posted Sat May 31 2008 07:38:19 by B6fll
United And US Airways In Merger Talks Part II posted Fri Apr 9 2010 15:52:40 by LipeGIG
US Airways (ex-HP) 757s With Winglets? posted Wed Apr 23 2008 12:31:50 by Jakbar
United And US Airways In Merger Talks posted Wed Apr 7 2010 14:17:28 by bioyuki
The Deal With AA 1721 (ATL-MIA) posted Mon Dec 8 2008 18:36:55 by Ruslan
US Airways West(AWA) 757 With Winglets posted Mon Jul 21 2008 13:34:05 by Bkircher
Who Will US Airways Try To Merge With Now? posted Sat May 31 2008 07:38:19 by B6fll
US Airways (ex-HP) 757s With Winglets? posted Wed Apr 23 2008 12:31:50 by Jakbar
US Airways (ex-HP) 757s With Winglets? posted Wed Apr 23 2008 12:31:50 by Jakbar
US Airways Strikes New Deal With Union posted Fri Dec 3 2004 16:49:40 by Clipperaurora
US Airways Proposes Merger With Delta posted Wed Nov 15 2006 12:03:01 by PanAm_DC10
US Airways Strikes Deal W Flt Attendants posted Fri Dec 17 2004 00:39:13 by Clipperaurora
US Airways/AMR Merger - On Bloomberg posted Fri Jan 20 2012 11:17:21 by stlgph
United And US Airways In Merger Talks Part II posted Fri Apr 9 2010 15:52:40 by LipeGIG
United And US Airways In Merger Talks posted Wed Apr 7 2010 14:17:28 by bioyuki
The Deal With AA 1721 (ATL-MIA) posted Mon Dec 8 2008 18:36:55 by Ruslan
US Airways West(AWA) 757 With Winglets posted Mon Jul 21 2008 13:34:05 by Bkircher
Who Will US Airways Try To Merge With Now? posted Sat May 31 2008 07:38:19 by B6fll
US Airways (ex-HP) 757s With Winglets? posted Wed Apr 23 2008 12:31:50 by Jakbar