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732 Crash In Pakistan  
User currently offlinecabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 hours ago) and read 32706 times:

A 732 has crashed near ISB airport. There was 127 people on board and it crashed in a populated area.

The aircraft belonged to E4 - Bhoja Air, operating under flight 213. Details forthcoming.

http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/reports-o...lane-crash-near-chaklala-dawnnews/
http://t.co/naTPgA4i
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17788698

[Edited 2012-04-20 07:36:58]

61 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 hours ago) and read 32752 times:

I've just spoken to my uncle in Army HQ Rawalpindi and they're in the process of getting some choppers to the area. Apparently it's quite serious.

User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 hours ago) and read 32724 times:

Early news: 118 fatalities from 127 onboard
http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/reports-o...lane-crash-near-chaklala-dawnnews/


User currently offlineNDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 32740 times:

Only one picture of Bhoja Air in the database it seems.

Let's hope for the best for passengers and crew, as well as people on the ground.



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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 32509 times:

Sad to hear.

All of Bhoja Air 737-200s (different sources give different numbers) once belonged to British Airways. The a/c posted above (AP-BEP) cannot be the frame that crashed, as it was sold to Merpati and later scrapped.

[Edited 2012-04-20 07:51:29]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlinecabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 32467 times:

Reports are that this was the inaugural flight and that there are no survivors. Reports are sketchy at this point.

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 32411 times:

Quoting cabso1 (Reply 5):
Reports are that this was the inaugural flight

Oh, than the a/c involved seems to be LN 635, which has been delivered to Bhoja Air only quite recently. Originally delivered to BA in 1980 with reg G-BGDD.

[Edited 2012-04-20 07:55:19]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 31977 times:

First images show a gruesome scene. Wreckage is scattered over a considerable area according to sky news. They quote experts, blaming the weather.

BBC now reporting AC came down during a thunderstorm, as it came in to land.

[Edited 2012-04-20 08:35:59]

User currently offlinemjabbasi From Pakistan, joined Nov 2007, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 31839 times:

My friend who works at KHI airport saw it take off and says it was AP-BKD. Lightening strike is being blamed as the cause of the crash.

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 31442 times:

Quoting liquidair (Reply 7):
First images show a gruesome scene.

Not sure about the images I'm receiving in my TV, they show a wreckage in daylight time and seconds later other images in night time... can not be even sure if I'm watching the same crash at different times or totally different crashes.

Also I see a blue T-tail section in the images, did this airline has any T-tailed airplane ??

G.



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User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 31246 times:

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 8):
My friend who works at KHI airport saw it take off and says it was AP-BKD. Lightening strike is being blamed as the cause of the crash.

Can lightening itself solely bring down an aircraft?

Aircraft are often struck by lightening,infact i rememeber there was one event at LHR involving an EK plane not too long which and it was even captured on video. I believe aircraft are designed to withstand lighening strikes.

Lets wait and see what details appear as in most cases its a sequence of events that cause a crash - not one.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 31186 times:
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Really sad news indeed! My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

Early reports suggest it went down in all but optimal weather.



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User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 31012 times:

What sad news. How come there were 9 crew onboard?! That's quite a lot for a domestic hop on a 732, is it not?


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11930 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 30890 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 4):
The a/c posted above (AP-BEP) cannot be the frame that crashed, as it was sold to Merpati and later scrapped.

The poster didn't say that was the frame that crashed, he said it was the only Bhoja Air photo in the a.net database.



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1548 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 30690 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 12):
What sad news. How come there were 9 crew onboard?! That's quite a lot for a domestic hop on a 732, is it not?

Well, if it was the inaugural flight, as suggested above, then their could very well have been some crew training on the flight! The flight deck might have had some training personal in the jumpseats and their might have been extra flight attendants on board doing training as well!



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 10):
Can lightening itself solely bring down an aircraft?

In short, no lightning can't really bring down an aircraft! They are designed to take the lightning strike and discharge the electricity out the static wicks on the wings and tail. However, if their was a thunderstorm in the area, then their are other hazards that have to be looked at, including wind shear, micro bursts, or overall low cloud layers!

Either way, this is sad news indeed!

RIP to the victims



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User currently offlinenema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 30490 times:

This is very sad news..


Whats more the BBC news article states that Last July, an Airbus A321 crashed as it was about to land in Islamabad, killing all 152 people on board.

The same approach?



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User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12421 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 hours ago) and read 29586 times:
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Quoting KHI747 (Reply 10):
Can lightening itself solely bring down an aircraft?

Yes, and has done so before. However, if properly maintained, the lightning protection system would preserve the airframe.

Now, in the USA, the last plane crash attributed to lightning was in 1967. I have no idea of the source, but this CNN article also claims a domestic plane is hit about once a year:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-17/t...ghtning-strikes-plane?_s=PM:TRAVEL

Now one of the more spectacular crashes was Pan Am 214:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_214

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 14):
In short, no lightning can't really bring down an aircraft! They are designed to take the lightning strike and discharge the electricity out the static wicks on the wings and tail.

Lightning shouldn't be able to bring down an aircraft with a fully functioning lightning protection system. If there were few broken grounding wires (there is always redundancy). Also, untreated corrosion can make the system's effectiveness too low to save the airframe or electronics.

About every 3 to 5 years, an airframe without proper maintenance oversight is lost to lightning. The last I'm aware of was a Colombia flight in 2010 (note: I'm going from memory). Should this happen?    Was it definitively the cause of the crash?    However, considering the current regulatory environment in Pakistan, should it be suspected?   

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User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 hours ago) and read 29579 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 14):
Well, if it was the inaugural flight, as suggested above, then their could very well have been some crew training on the flight! The flight deck might have had some training personal in the jumpseats and their might have been extra flight attendants on board doing training as well!

Aah, I hadn't of thought of that.

Thanks!  



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 hours ago) and read 29393 times:

Quoting nema (Reply 15):
Whats more the BBC news article states that Last July, an Airbus A321 crashed as it was about to land in Islamabad, killing all 152 people on board. Same approach?

Totally different situations... The Air Blue A321 flew towards a mountain, off the path they were cleared to fly, and ignored calls from ATC and multiple cockpit alarms before crashing into terrain. It wasn't even on approach to a runway, wheras this 732 seemed to have been so I don't think we can blame the airport approach for this accident.



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User currently offlineLXa332 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 hours ago) and read 28653 times:

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 8):
My friend who works at KHI airport saw it take off and says it was AP-BKD.

AV Herald is reporting AP-BKC.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 28157 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 17):
The last I'm aware of was a Colombia flight in 2010 (note: I'm going from memory).

The Aires crash in ADZ had nothing to do with poor maintenance.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100816-0

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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 26850 times:
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Ok, now we're getting conflicting reports as to the type of reports involved:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/20/world/...n-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

The PRINT article is referencing a 737-200, but the VIDEO is saying an Airbus A321. Same news outlet.

What is going on here?


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 25795 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 21):
Ok, now we're getting conflicting reports as to the type of reports involved:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/20/world/...hp_t3

It's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. It seems pretty clear that this was a B732, although it does have to be said that the CNN article manages to cite an irrelevant 1950s Comet crash in their article. What poor journalism.

Condolences to those that were lost. The first major tragedy of 2012 (with more than 50 fatalities), and hopefully the last.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1785 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 25132 times:

Bhoja Air has posted a passenger list on their home page encouraging family members to contact given emergency numbers, which I have never seen an airline do before.

It seems that there are 121 passengers on the list, as opposed to the previously reported 118. Very sad.



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1548 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 24688 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Lightning shouldn't be able to bring down an aircraft with a fully functioning lightning protection system. If there were few broken grounding wires (there is always redundancy). Also, untreated corrosion can make the system's effectiveness too low to save the airframe or electronics.

About every 3 to 5 years, an airframe without proper maintenance oversight is lost to lightning. The last I'm aware of was a Colombia flight in 2010 (note: I'm going from memory). Should this happen? Was it definitively the cause of the crash? However, considering the current regulatory environment in Pakistan, should it be suspected?

Well that is true, however, freak occurrences can and do happen! I can say with confidence that airplane around the world get struck everyday by lightning with no issues what so ever! I have been struck numerous times by lightning in my career with little or no affect and often don't even realize it until I have landed and performed the post flight inspection! That said, you are correct that this is in Pakistan, where the safety standards might not be up to par with most countries. I would think though, if the plane was just delivered, that a close maintenance inspection would have been completed prior to entering service! Then again, who am I kidding?

I did get a kick out of your smiley face explanation, funniest thing I have seen all day!



Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 23):
Bhoja Air has posted a passenger list on their home page encouraging family members to contact given emergency numbers, which I have never seen an airline do before.

Seems a bit tasteless to me! You would think they would be able to look up passenger information and start informing the families that way, instead of posting the deceased on their web site.



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25 garpd : Just seen some pictures, there's absolutely nothing left of the aircraft. Utterly destroyed, those poor people didn't have a chance.
26 Post contains links HOONS90 : Incredibly sad news. My thoughts are with the families, relatives and friends of those involved. Rest in peace to everyone that was on board. Singapor
27 GSPSPOT : Just heard about this. May all the souls involved find peace eternal.
28 Post contains links rikkus67 : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/wo...e-crashes-in-pakistan-capital.html http://dawn.com/2012/04/21/in-pictures-bhoja-air-crash-near-islamabad/ RIP t
29 flylku : I saw this reported through My Verizon. The photo above the headline was of a Qantas A380. The only hint in the headline that it was likely not an A38
30 ukair : Why did the flight crew try to land in these conditions? If the conditions where below minimums they should have diverted to a safer airport. Sorry to
31 PHX787 : Sad news. Sounds like a brutal crash. Hopefully something like this can be avoided next time. RIP
32 ghifty : Interesting. The Bhoja Air website seems to be indicating that PIA has alloted one of their 747s to transport the victims families. RIP.
33 Post contains links YVRLTN : Theres a comment thats says it is BKD. Heres a photo in better days, ex BA & Comair - clearly still has the ex BA blue belly. http://fly-news.es/
34 RIXrat : I am surprised to see that so far there are only 33 postings regarding this major air crash. Hardly any speculation, except the weather. RIP to pax an
35 PHX787 : I don't want to sound off-topic, but is there any Flightaware on this route?
36 Aviational : Very Sad News....RIP to the victims... . Eye witnesses around the area are saying that lightning struck the aircraft and it exploded right away !
37 zeke : From what I understand Air Blue was conducting a circling approach to runway 12, they initially made an instrument approach to runways 30, got visual
38 Viper911 : According to Wikipedia and air safety network, the plane was AP-BKC, with 6 crew on board and not 9 as previously stated. RIP.
39 sshd : From avherald: OPRN 201500Z 05030KT 4000 TS FEW025CB SCT030 BKN100 20/16 Q1014.3/29.95 OPRN 201400Z 23020KT 3000 TSRA FEW025CB SCT030 BKN100 20/16 Q10
40 Post contains links francoflier : I've found this link of a local forum where someone posted miscellaneous pics of Bhoja Air and it's crew in better days. I hesitated in posting it as
41 76er : Which is what eyewitnesses report at just about every crash...
42 sankaps : Reports now coming in that the pilots called in a Mayday, saying the engine / wing was on fire before the fuel tanks apparently exploded. This is as p
43 Post contains images bueb0g : You can't trust eyewitnesses who don't know what they're looking at - practically every accident in the history of aviation has had eyewitnesses sayi
44 aeroblogger : Not sure what you mean by better days? The airline is less than a year old... (It also existed between 1993 and 2000, but that was completely differe
45 liquidair : If combined with a lightning strike, could that suggest fuel ignition like Pan Am 214? I know it's just speculation, but sounds similar. we have syst
46 Post contains images RayChuang : It appears that the crash was probably caused by the plane flying into a microburst during that thunderstorm and the pilots did not properly respond t
47 rcair1 : Basis?
48 Post contains links VV701 : Bhoja restarted operations on 6 March when one of their 732s operated KHI-LHE (B4 115). It had previously ceased operations in 2000 due to financial
49 FN1001 : Speculation or fact? Any evidence at this time? My prayers for the victims and the families.
50 abnormal : Not enough specific or certain information to discuss and as the accident occurred in Pakistan, there may never be a full accident investigation repo
51 Post contains links YYZYYT : Re all the lightning speculation: not that this is necessarily the cause of THIS crash, but there are different types of lightning - negaitve and pos
52 Post contains links RayChuang : http://dawn.com/2012/04/21/wind-shear-may-have-caused-the-tragedy/ Given that there was a severe thunderstorm near the airport at the time of the cras
53 rcair1 : I'm sorry - with all due respect, this article reads like speculation to me. Unfortunately, I think we will need to wait and given the location, I'm
54 bmacleod : I was watching CTVnews channel this morning and the news anchor mistakenly said that a 747 had crashed in Pakistan. I thought a 747 with only 127 pass
55 Ljungdahl : Is that the correct regs? Not AP-BKB, BKC, BKD and BKE?
56 VV701 : Thanks for the correction.
57 at : huh? Since when did either country have a terrible air safety record?
58 Post contains links connies4ever : BBC World news are currently reporting that the a/c exploded in the air. Not sure of the provenance of this report. Yes it can, although properly mai
59 HAWK21M : Whats the preliminary report stating officially.......
60 aeroblogger : No preliminary report has been released yet. Investigators seem to be suggesting that it's probably a technical malfunction caused by poor maintenanc
61 aeroblogger : Black boxes will be returned from Washington on May 7th.
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