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Philippine Aviation Thread 2012  
User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23920 times:

Mabuhay sa inyong lahat!

Hello everyone! It's been a while since the last Philippine threads were running, as the launch of new international routes etc has been quite slow as of lately. But recently I've seen a few threads here regarding the Phils, San Miguel buying PAL for instance. Also, the LCCs are beginning to open up new routes within the region, which could be interesting to follow here.

*Cebu Pacific

MNL-HAN 2x weekly
MNL-XMN 3x weekly
MNL-REP 3x weekly
KLO-HKG 3x weekly

These four routes have recently been launched.


*AirPhil Express

MNL-KUL 3x weekly (Starting 21 June)
CRK-HKG 4x weekly (Starting 17 May)
CRK-SIN 3x weekly (Starting 17 May)


*Philippine Airlines

MNL-DPS 2x weekly (Starting 28 April)


*Zest Airways

MNL-PVG 5x weekly (Starting 22 June)
MNL-ICN Daily (Starting 28 June)
MNL-KUL ?? (Starting ??)
MNL-JJN 3x weekly (Starting 26 April)

*AirAsia Philippines has (finally) begun operations out of CRK, to three domestic points. More destinations are to follow.


*Some interesting statistics from 2011:

MNL handled 29,551,394 passengers (+8,9%) during the year.
CEB handled 6,215,946 passengers (+7,3%) during the year.

*For the first two months this year, CEB grew by 10,6% domestically and 24,6% internationally, for a total growth of 14%.

*For the full year AirPhil Express are aiming at flying 8 million passengers, up from last year's 3,7 million!
*Meanwhile, Cebu Pacific are planning to fly 14 million passengers, up from last years 12 million.

*Expansion from legacy carriers have been quite slow as of lately (even including PAL).
Although, MH added a third daily 738 on KUL-MNL last month.

If you have things to add or just want to discuss anything related to the commercial Philippine aviation industry, feel free to post and comment!  

//Alex

[Edited 2012-04-21 05:50:52]


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23942 times:

Whee...a Philippine thread! 

Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy. This is based on a filing PAL made with the CAB.

http://business.inquirer.net/53313/p...ore-flights-to-s-korea-japan-china

Quote:
“Brazil is a key part of Philippine Airlines’ (PAL) long term plan to open pioneering routes to South America. Brazil produces more visitors to the Philippines than any other South American country,” CAB said.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23798 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):

*Philippine Airlines

As posted in the other thread, they will also be starting HKG-KLO in five days.....

http://business.inquirer.net/53361/pal-opens-hong-kong-kalibo-route


Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?    .....

.

.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/fil...011/06/aquino_caticlan-300x225.jpg


No definite word yet on their refleeting, particularly for the domestic fleet.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 1):
Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy.

MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23777 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU. (Good too for reviving the Philippines' historical linkages with Mexico! )

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy (if my memory serves me right).

[Edited 2012-04-21 10:22:21]

User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23727 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):
Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU.

Ahh...thanks. That makes much more sense then.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy

   Now, that would certainly be a welcome development!    PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those come Cat 1.  

It would seem the reported visit of Boeing executives to SMC's headquarters had positive results?



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23668 times:

Sometimes even small steps are welcome ...

Dragonair is to start a daily flight HKG-CRK from june 1st with A320.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23639 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those -- come Cat 1.

Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)   

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

 
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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23557 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

Others tell me those are usually harebrained and outlandish.      


Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)

Let us see.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-san-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-san-gru&DU=nm

Hmmn...in terms of potential load, that does look more viable in comparison...even if switched to GIG or SDU at the Brazilian end (not so with BSB). However, getting entitlements especially on the US West Coast-Brazil legs would be very challenging, and competition tough.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since. Meanwhile, there's this.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/180591/...l-union-wants-to-talk-to-new-owner

.....as PR announces its new management setup.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23485 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since.

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90619222&postcount=249 (this is an article in the Manila Standard Today)

Also, there's talk on some new routes being launched by DG, especially as the CAB has ruled that TR's investment does not violate local cabotage rights. DG will finally be launching CRK-CEB, CRK-DVO and CRK-BKI.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90584163&postcount=246

MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/busi...-more-regional-flights-year-216961


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 23375 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

MASwings has been looking into such routes for quite a while ...
But since they do not want to rely solely on demand by locals but need tourists as well I´m not surprised they favour DVO now.
ZAM is not really a tourist spot for certain reasons.
So, I would see rather a DVO-BKI route than one to SDK let alone both.

And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.
Just don´t know if AK´s entitlement is fully used up already (that might be the only valid reason for the "non-increase")



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User currently offlineflyhigh@tom From United Arab Emirates, joined Sep 2001, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 23371 times:

Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining  


User currently offlinelufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 23337 times:

Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

Ground delays at MNL are getting ridiculous. 1h40min doors closed to takeoff two weeks ago.

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.

I think there is more than enough demand. BKI has loads of Filipino workers. But all these domestics from CRK (2P/DG/5J/PQ) I have my doubts.



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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23291 times:

Glad to see so many replies in such short time!

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 11):
Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

I'm sure they mixed it up with PR.
I agree that DPS seems a bit odd, I get the feeling that Filipinos going on beach vacations would just go to their own ones, while on international vacation, city breaks are more to prefer. So DPS will be interesting.

The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

SGN is operated twice daily by 5J and RP, so a twice weekly to HAN shouldn't be no overcapacity. Yes, they tried HAN out once before, which should mean that 5J see conditions have changed, otherwise they wouldn't do the same mistake launching it again.

/Alex



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 23273 times:

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 10):
Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining

The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.
So, MIAA had to revert to the original 550,-Peso.
But they are working towards a new increase, of course ...  



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23157 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 13):
The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.

That period happened to be five years.   


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23085 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

Routing should be in the other direction:

Just to clarify.....for a while there, I thought PR was planning to stop somewhere in Europe or the Middle East, as part of a future, long-term strategy.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

I think we're all familiar with the pattern...the "plan" comes promptly, the "action" part an altogether different story.   

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...t=246

From the link.....

Quote:
"'We’re just waiting for developments from the sources of the two aircraft that will be acquired for the Cebu and Davao operations,' Mr. Zapanta said."

Airbus birds likely. With MPIC not buying into PAL, odds of flying variety on secondary domestic routes decreased.....

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Quote:
"Seair operates flights to Batanes, Ilocos Sur, Palawan, Caticlan and Romblon."

Kinda hoping to see these replace the Let 410s on the "missionary" routes.....

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Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

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Photo © Terence Li

  



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23010 times:

Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22993 times:

When does MNL-REP start ???

User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 22887 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 15):
Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

Would be nice..  
Quoting COSPN (Reply 17):
When does MNL-REP start ???
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):
The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

It already did, last thursday...  

/Alex



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 22875 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
San Miguel buying PAL

Is Jolibees going to buy an airline too?



I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

[Edited 2012-04-23 02:37:59]


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 22867 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

The MA-60s fly to SJI, MRQ, MBT, KLO, VRC, WNP, CRM, CYP and USU.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22855 times:

I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers? The FAA page only mentions codeshares.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22841 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 21):
I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers?

It's still possible to interline despite being in Cat II: I've seen AA/UA/DL (?)-PR itineraries being sold online. Interline bans though apply for airlines on the EU blacklist: consequently, interlining between PR and EU carriers is not allowed. (This was the reason why KL stopped selling PR domestic tag-ons to AMS-MNL on its website.)


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11724 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22834 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?

After they have redesigned it to meet even the bare minimum of ICAO safety standards perhaps. I mean look at that runway over the sea - who designed it, a 5 year old?  


Dan  



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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22836 times:

According to ACI, MNL ranked the 27th busiest airport by international passengers in January this year.
The airport handled 1,281,777 passengers on its foreign routes, up 11,4%.

http://www.airports.org/cda/aci_comm...jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5-212-1376_666_2__

/Alex



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25 lufthansa747 : I have USU booked myself for August. We spent my girlfriend's birthday in Virac (VRC) last year, great destination and Z2 MA60. I wholeheartedly reco
26 Tomassjc : You'll love Coron. Did that last year on 5J. Head out to the Islands nearby, especially Malcapuya. Beautiful. Until I read further posts, I thought i
27 Post contains links Akiestar : Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a Skyscra
28 Post contains images virgin747 : I flew out of MNL on Thursday. I guess what caught my attention is the high amount of traffic out of that airport now with all the Low Cost Carriers o
29 Tomassjc : Thanks for psoting the pictures! I must say it looks better than it did when I was there last year. In January 2011 it was horrendous, and then I was
30 Post contains images MHG : It operates solely between Clark (CRK) and Cebu (CEB) ... and it´s cargo only ! So, no chance for a ride ... During daytime it´s usually parked at
31 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : Thanks for the info NAIA Terminal 1 is the only airport that i frequent in Phil. For sure the terminal has improved a lot since 2007 ...and yes the C
32 Post contains images Devilfish : That is a conceptual model meant to convey a general idea of the development.....and probably put together by model makers who might or might not kno
33 sq_ek_freak : What airport code is JJN>?
34 CityAirline : Quanzhou, Jinjiang in the province of Fujian. /Alex
35 FilAmAirlines : Thank you for sharing that report! Did Dragonair release a statement regarding that? Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno
36 Post contains links and images Akiestar : According to the man himself, Terminal 3 will now fully open in 2014. http://rp1.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...2/naia-3-be-fully-operational-2014 It wa
37 Post contains links and images Devilfish : What were you having 'Fly? No, it's too big for them...they'd get stung if they do. Take a look at this..... http://business.inquirer.net/55597/z...t
38 Post contains images Akiestar : Z2's long been rumored to be obtaining 767s and/or 777s to complement their narrow-body fleet. Of course, no one knows what happened to their suppose
39 Post contains images Devilfish : Again, I think the best the MIAA can do for T1 is to convert it to a Domestic/LCC terminal. The South Concourse could serve as the LCC sattelite, fro
40 Post contains links and images Akiestar : So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-planes-after-san
41 YLWbased : the HKIA flight information system is showing HKG-Davao by SEAIR starting later in May, but I so far found no information, can and one shed some light
42 airlineaddict : Thanks for the post. I found the following snippet very interesting: Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an
43 Post contains links airlineaddict : Lots of interesting reads about Ramon Ang's plans for PAL and Air Philippines. 1. A blogger is reporting that PAL is in negotiations with Boeing for t
44 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : Yessss!!!!
45 Coronado990 : No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true. I hope Florida does well for them.
46 Post contains links and images filoflyer : im not sure if someone already shared this =) but here goes. PAL opts for 747-8 and 787's =) http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-airbus-for-boeing
47 Post contains links Devilfish : Being careful na 'di makuryente dito (local mediaspeak for not falling for a false newsleak)..... Curious that only Bloomberg got wind of a potential
48 Akiestar : I wouldn't know, but the plans do seem interesting. I did suggest somewhere on another forum that maybe instead of CRK, the government can focus on e
49 Post contains links and images Confuscius : I'm glad RPLC was renamed back to Clark International. Nothing against the old man but his daughter and her husband's family is really corurpt. Althou
50 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I guess that's what was referred to in this?..... http://business.inquirer.net/56541/s...etails-plan-to-revive-pal-fortunes Quote: "as well as for SM
51 Akiestar : There's a lot of guessing as to where this site is, but it's most likely in Balagtas, Bulacan and/or Marilao, based on what I've been reading.
52 Post contains images Confuscius : An updated terminal or a new airport? BTW, where's the padyaks in the picture?! On the way to Manila...
53 Post contains links and images Akiestar : That's the so-called "Bicol International Airport" which will be built in Daraga, replacing LGP. ==== Anyway, I ran into these images on SkyscraperCi
54 sq_ek_freak : Thanks - I realized after I posted it I should have just Google'd it! Makes sense -with the glaring exception of SQ. Given their 4x daily operation,
55 Post contains links and images Devilfish : A very late correction...I was referring to Asian Spirit in my post 39 about the varied fleet. Do you mean like this?..... http://picturebangkok.files
56 Post contains links Akiestar : According to the Daily Tribune, it turns out that Z2 is funding the renovations, and the terminal will house all Z2 flights, both domestic and intern
57 Post contains images Confuscius : How much growth are they expecting in the region? Rather than build a new airport very near an active volcano, we wouldn't it be better to upgrade RP
58 Post contains images jetblue777 : I agree, but I guess they need to build their own lounge at Terminal 3. Hopefully, they will move to T3 soon (preferably before September this year w
59 Post contains links Akiestar : Bumping the thread up because of some new developments. First, according to the Wall Street Journal (unfortunately paywalled), San Miguel plans to pou
60 Post contains links and images Akiestar : The new airport should be completed by this year (I think). The good thing too is that the new airport will have an observation deck! (BCD and CEB al
61 Post contains links and images Akiestar : There can be no scheduled takeoffs or landings (if I'm not mistaken) between 1:00 am and 4:00 am, as this is the time the MIAA undertakes maintenance
62 Post contains links and images Devilfish : With the P1B+ released to them, the MIAA should do that too and more at T1. It shows what could be achieved if one is spending his own money and care
63 Post contains links and images Akiestar : I read somewhere that expanding WNP will be impossible owing to the airport's runway alignment, which exposes aircraft to crosswinds. There have been
64 COSPN : Good Idea .. Cool Idea Move GA from RPLL MNL to RPLS SGY Cavite General flights transferred to Sangley Meanwhile, the Manila International Airport Aut
65 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Perhaps the MIAA had other plans for it, and Z2 couldn't have their way unless they paid for the renovation. Thanks a lot. It's so much lighter and a
66 Post contains links CityAirline : Domestic air travel in Q1 rose by 13% from 4.57 to 5.16 million passengers. http://www.rappler.com/business/5168...mestic-air-traffic-by-13-to-5-16-m
67 CityAirline : Does anyone know when Emirates will recieve their first 2-class A380?? Already back in 2006 they claimed that Manila was one of their absolute first
68 Post contains links SANFan : Last year I would have tried to convince you otherwise D, but I've run really low on optimism here. The whole Cat I/II thing has seemed to be pretty
69 Post contains links Akiestar : Apparently, due to the standoff over Scarborough Shoal (Bajo de Masinloc/Panatag/Huangyan/what-have-you), there has been a number of significant chang
70 CityAirline : Aren't these charter services? As I understand it, this reduction is just temporary. (In fact, I suppose all of these reductions are temporary until
71 Akiestar : Scheduled charters.
72 Post contains images Confuscius : Lots of OFW, the Philippines number one export. Also, looks like the runway points toward Mt. Isarog. Another plan in the region. What are the chance
73 Post contains links Confuscius : NPA "Nice People Around" rebels recently raided the construction site and destroyed some equipment. http://www.philstar.com/nation/artic...nSubCatego
74 CityAirline : On October 28 KE will add a third daily flight on ICN-MNL, which will be operated by a mix of 738/739. The other two flights are flown by 773 and 333.
75 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Just saw a photo indicating that it is flying for Seair Cargo from CRK..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Richard Vandervord Another recent photo in
76 MHG : The aircraft has already lost it´s large Skyjet titles. Those were replaced by rather small (in size) "BCTA Batanes Cultural Travel Agency - operate
77 Post contains links and images Devilfish : No wonder.....with a name that long! . That leaves this other Philippine registered jet unaccounted for..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Spencer W
78 Post contains links MHG : Well, the additional emergency exits is required for pax ops only. But the other modifications (part "B") still remain mandatory. Here´s the link to
79 Devilfish : Thank you very much for the link. Items 1-4 are pretty straightforward, while 5-10 are more involved and challenging... though I believe still within
80 Akiestar : As far as I know, only service between the Philippines and mainland China are affected. Hong Kong and Macau services remain intact.
81 MHG : IIRC Seair is officially accredited by LET as maintenance facility for the LET-410. So, I don´t see any issue with them doing the neccessary AD. You
82 MHG : The operator is Royal Star Aviation (Philippines). They only operate corporate charters.
83 Post contains links CityAirline : In this article, Kenneth Gillberg of Finnair (Scandinavia) reveals Manila as one of the dozen destinations that are currently being investigated to fu
84 RobK : Hi, anyone with info on Tiger Airways Philippines? 3 brand new A320s coming shortly with RP-C registrations according to my sources.
85 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Thanks. And I thought they'd be the one to change names and not Skyjet. Those three must be part of the nine A320s ordered by the group for delivery
86 RobK : @ Devilfish, thanks. I did wonder if they'd be going to Seair as the RP-C registrations are similar to their current 2 'buses. Also, it's interesting
87 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Some updates to keep A.Net people up to speed on developments in the Philippines. The most important bit so far: the CAAP has been making headway on t
88 Post contains images RobK : RP-C7775 B77W due to make first flight in just over and hour and half as BOE991. Delivery planned for Jun 20.
89 Post contains links and images Devilfish : It was reported last year that Tiger Singapore already took charge of aircraft intended for its Philippine affiliate to use on flights to Cebu and Da
90 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Here's another welcome news for connecting passengers..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...2/05/naia-terminals-connected.html Quote: "The Manil
91 MHG : Sounds like a good short-term solution. But it makes me wonder how they handle security then ... Especially for passengers connecting on two separate
92 Post contains links LAXintl : Now the FAA warns of corrupt inspectors who continue to implement lax regulation, licensing and certification procedures as the country works to updat
93 CityAirline : *On July 20 PAL is adding a third daily MNL-ICN with an A320 (in addiation to existing double daily A333). *On October 28 Korean Air is also adding a
94 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Further to the shuttle service mulled for NAIA, the blog added this photo of the bus that may be fielded..... . http://motoburg.com/images/cobus-3000-
95 Post contains images RobK : Hi guys, I've noticed AirAsia Philippines have now started ops. Can anyone tell me what their callsign is on the airband please as I've been unable to
96 RobK : Now heard them again and it is indeed Cool Red after all.
97 Post contains links and images Devilfish : It seems there are those who do not want the rejection of 5J's and Zest Air's applications for services to the Middle East discussed on here. I distin
98 PA110 : Having just returned from a trip to the Philippines, and after reading this discussion, there's one issue nobody seems to be discussing, that affected
99 Post contains images Devilfish : The links in Replies 50 and 61 talk about quick fixes to the problems. Look at the the following photos closely..... Even if you expropriate the prop
100 CityAirline : The congestion of MNL is (together with the Cat II downgrade) the most dicussed topic in the Philippine avaiton threads! The Philippines is so far fr
101 Devilfish : Forgot to say this.....its foremost function is to satisfactorily meet a need, not to impress. Of course, it'd be great if it could do both! Look who
102 MHG : I´d not expect to see it happen in this life judging the pace of real developments in this country - unfortunately ... In particular the non-existen
103 Post contains images Confuscius : But the old breed refuse to die. Guess who might be the next mayor of Manila? Celebrity status goes a long way in Philippine politics. Okay, back to
104 lufthansa747 : I'm afraid the EK loads are way higher than 93%. And the figure I have comes directly from DXB, so has to be kept a secret. The paid J load is shockin
105 flyhigh@tom : I concur! I have the ZED fares with ID 90 for a standby ticket or ID50 for the confirmed ticket. However even with the ID50 all i end up is a wait li
106 Post contains links and images Devilfish : While the CAAP said only PR could serve the ME, there's still no formal denial from Oman of 5J's request. If they're denied, the A333's lease and mai
107 CityAirline : MNL passes the 30 million mark in passenger numbers for the first time, as it handled 30,410,846 during the 12 months to March this year, which is up
108 Post contains links Devilfish : They're trying a different tack..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...o-use-routesonline-for-flight.html July 3, 2012 Quote: "Cebu Pacific Air,
109 CX Flyboy : Although true, the 77W will represent large fuel cost savings for PR even without it flying on ultra long haul flights. Airlines like CX fly 777s aro
110 CityAirline : Air Niugini has gotten their hands on a 73G, which they among other changes will use to launch a new twice weekly service to CEB. POM17.50-CEB20.40 73
111 Post contains links viasa : It's a former Astraeus aircraft with the new registration P2-PXD. Source: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=PX
112 titus95 : They are rumours saying PAL will be all Airbus fleet with A330 , A350 and A320 NEO to be ordered. More precisions ?
113 Post contains images Devilfish : But what would be the difference in fuel costs and scheduled amortizations or lease payments if PR were to use the current spec 235t, 5,500nm A333 on
114 tonymctigue : There are LHR slots up for grabs at the moment. One of the conditions of the recent merger of BMI and BA is that they have to sell some of the former
115 Post contains links and images Akiestar : That is correct. ---- In other news, could we see more flights to Canada sometime soon, or AC flying to the Philippines, or both? http://business.inq
116 ZK-NBT : New air talks. So I guess additional frequencies. Demand is high in 1 sentence, then see if there is enough demand in the next. I'm guessing there is
117 Post contains images SANFan : Agreed. I'm pretty sure YVR is maxed (at 7/week) but hasn't there been a lot of mention of Toronto when the possibilities of travel to JFK are discus
118 CityAirline : Cebu Pacific adds their fifth base in the Philippines, at ILO! This means that Iloilo will see flights to two international destinations! These are of
119 LAXintl : The Canada air-service agreement can be found at; https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/philippines Basically it allows PR to service up to 3 points in Canada
120 CX Flyboy : Well it all depends on the loads. Of course if the load is one that can comfortably be carried by the 333s then they will do it cheaper than using a
121 Post contains images Devilfish : Quite unusual for someone to initiate talks if there's nothing to be gained by it.....up, down or sideways. Which reminds me that PR still has not gi
122 Post contains images flood : @SivaG (Flightglobal) tweeted on the 11th: "Heard that an Asian airline was thinking of announcing order for @Airbus A321neo, A330s at #FARN12 but pu
123 Post contains links Akiestar : It appears that Z2 is doing some major attrition: they're "heeding" the call of the DOTC to reduce flights from MNL by virtually cutting all turboprop
124 MHG : I fully agree. it´s sad that some airports will loose scheduled ops due to Z2´s movements. Looking at it on a wider angle I´m pretty sure it´s a
125 Post contains images Akiestar : Perhaps, but as I have mentioned before, if countries like Bolivia, Peru and China (which are all in Cat I) can operate MA60s without a lot of noise
126 MHG : Well, the problem with the MA-60 is obviously not a "stand-alone" one but has to be looked at in a general context. A country that has it´s CAA prin
127 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I already did in #112...after a fashion . This has dual FAA/EASA certification since it's fitted with western avionics and H80, GE-cored, Walter 601
128 lufthansa747 : Want a real great Philippine flying experience? Look no further than CRK! What darn monkey came up to allow 3 carriers to fly to HKG at 7:05, 7:20 and
129 Post contains images lufthansa747 : Coming back HKG-CRK, no bus was available because DG/PQ/5J/2P arrivals... Lets keep them wait on the plane, it's raining... Until some German guy shou
130 lufthansa747 : Not to mention the rip-off taxi rates to get to/from there. I timed it 6 minutes Tune Angeles to CRK, 350 pesos. The said amount got me 3 nights at th
131 neutrino : Forget the cab pirates (thats what they are despite being "official"). I always walk the few minutes to the gate along C. M. Recto Highway and catch
132 EBGflyer : CRK is horrible unless you depart when it is less crowded. I once arrived from HKG at the same time an Asiana flight arrived from ICN and it was chao
133 babaero : Clark - total cluster fuck 0705am 5J to HKG 0720am DG to HKG 0720am PQ to HKG terminal designed for a few Let 410s now trying to be a big player typic
134 Post contains images EBGflyer : Don't get me started on this It is also painful to see how immigration officers pull in filipinos (who are leaving the country) for interrogation. On
135 neutrino : Corruption permeats every strata of "service" in the airport. Every line of officials wants to bleed, squeeze or drip some benefit from the traveller
136 Post contains links and images Akiestar : There is a reason why I (and my family) avoid CRK like the plague. ---- Anyway, PAL has reaffirmed that they're starting service to YYZ and JFK when R
137 SANFan : I'm still amused as this guy (Ang) continues to talk about new service to the U.S. as a matter of fact without any apparent concern for the FAA Safet
138 EBGflyer : That's a sign of progression that I welcome. Wonder if this will be the case for other airlines as well. Hopefully in the longer term this will also
139 lufthansa747 : I know the jeepney options but wasn't in the mood at 5am and past midnight... My friend was forced to check-in his 0,9kg overweight bag at CRK on DG,
140 neutrino : Thats what I was mentioning about: What they are after is some tips. I guess a couple of hundred pesos (my view is about 1/3 of the amount quoted) wi
141 EBGflyer : I like some more info on that. I have always experienced good service by immigration and security, but have on the other hand experienced Filipinos t
142 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Saw this on SkyscraperCity: a new PAL video on service improvements, including: *A new slogan: "Towards New Altitudes" *The 77Ws *New destinations *Ab
143 lufthansa747 : I don't normally use SIN as a gateway to the country, so this is a one-off experience. 5J CEB-SIN, and every female travelling alone were at least as
144 neutrino : I have witnessed that a number of times but still not the majority of my 3 to 4 yearly CRK-SIN Tiger/CebuPacific flights. Its the same as the treatme
145 lufthansa747 : Sounds smart by the bus company... Off topic, but "interesting" place where Transtar SIN-KUL buses leave. Would be understandable if the bus went to B
146 MHG : True, but ... This applies to factory new aircraft. But my comment was primarily aimed at MA-60 ops. IIRC there are actually only two LET-410 airwort
147 YVRSpeedBird : This is because there are thousands of Filipinos victimized by human trafficking syndicates. They are promised well-paying jobs, only to end up taken
148 Post contains images Devilfish : Not to defend the policy.....but the stringent immigration checks are meant to protect those who would otherwise easily fall prey to traffickers and i
149 Akiestar : Filipinos who intend to emigrate or pursue employment abroad have to undertake one of three seminars offered by the Commission on Filipinos Overseas
150 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Okay, according to the OWWA website, they have a list of accredited PDOS providers. I think this is also mandatory for departing OFWs, but I can't be
151 Akiestar : Hm. Looks like PAL is hiring! They're looking for new flight attendants, captains and first officers for the A320, and second officers for the A330, A
152 EBGflyer : Here are the requirements for Cabin Crew: Here's your checklist for the PAL Cabin Crew Recruitment Tour 2012 on August 11, 2012 at Diamond Hotel Phil
153 Tomassjc : Yes, this would never fly in many Western countries. Although, I'm sure this is the norm with many Asian carriers. But it is, shall we say, the "beau
154 CityAirline : Cebu Pacific launches following six new inter-island routes on October 5 and 6: Davao-Butuan: 4 weekly Davao-Dipolog: 4 weekly Tacloban-Iloilo: 3 week
155 Post contains images Akiestar : Hm. I wonder how well TAC-LGP will do. For ZAM-CGY, I wonder how well 5J will do given that 2P didn't do so well here. Then again, 2P used props, so
156 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Further to my Replies #105 and #107, it has now come to light that the CAB is set to conduct new air talks with the UAE and KSA..... . http://philipp
157 Post contains images Akiestar : What's more important on my mind is how long this route will last. 2P did this route previously and ended it less than a year after starting it. If 5
158 Post contains images Devilfish : 5J's ATRs make better sense indeed for such a short sector...so long as the business is there. Going back to the Middle East, I wonder what good new
159 CityAirline : *Starting this friday, Gulf Air will increase BAH-MNL from 9 weekly to 11, all flights operated by an A330-200. *Starting this winter KLM will once ag
160 neutrino : Any Phil-based Anetter know if NAIA's operations were affected by the floods of the last few days?
161 Akiestar : There were delays and a few cancelations, but the airport was not shut down. The area around the airport in fact was not flooded, if my memory served
162 neutrino : Thanks, Akiestar. The reason I posted the query was because I have been, and will be, asked the question by many of the people whom *I have been enco
163 QF108 : Very informative thread guys and am hoping you can answer this for me please, are the gates in T3 common user or do airlines have assigned gates if it
164 Post contains links CityAirline : I just read this highly interesting article about the Philippine domestic market, with alot of focus on the NAIA congestion. There was one thing that
165 Post contains links Devilfish : That site did have a very comprehensive coverage of the Philippines' commercial aviation outlook, when I checked it this morning. But it only displays
166 Post contains links Confuscius : There's a planned startup airline with point to point service. Philippine Startup Bicol Eyes Scheduled Services With Fokker 50s http://www.aviationwee
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