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User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 44619 times:

This info has been passed to me, thought I'd share.

Mods, please delete if duplicate thanks!

A319 G-DBCB - To be ferried LHR-SNN-LHR 13-22May for repaint
A319 G-DBCC - To be ferried LHR-SNN-LHR 24May-02Jun for repaint

A320 G-MEDK - To be ferried LHR-SNN-LHR 03-11May for repaint
A320 G-MIDS - To be ferried LHR-EMA 26May for repaint
A320 G-MIDX - To be ferried LHR-EMA-LHR 25Apr-14May for repaint & interior change

A330 G-WWBM - To be ferried LHR-MLA 19May for MX & MLA-MAN for repaint into all white. To be returned to Lessor Oct2012
A330 G-WWBD - To be returned to Lessor Oct2012

Don't have any info on the A321's and the rest of the 319's and 320's yet.
This shall confirm once and for all that the A330's will not be transfered to BA (not that that wasn't clear anyway)

Also, not sure if MIDX is the only one to get a interior change for the moment or if they will all get it during being repainted. I can imagine MIDX will be integrated into the BA fleet asap, hence the immediate interior change and the rest of the fleet's interior will be changed at a later date.


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44607 times:

Quoting irregking (Thread starter):
A320 G-MIDX - To be ferried LHR-EMA-LHR 25Apr-14May for repaint & interior change

That's happening quick. I guess its also because she is in Star Livery (Same with the WWBM going all white)


User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44541 times:

Not surprised that G-MIDX is being repainted immediatly. Glad I got a photo of a BMI A330 last time I was at Heathrow as I wont be seeing that again I expect. I imagine the rest of the BMI fleet will be repainted before the winter timetable comes into force. Will any stickers be added to the fleet in the meantime to show that they are part of BA or IAG?

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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44435 times:

Anybody know if BA intend to maintain service to Dammam?

Kind regards

Mike


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44366 times:

I had heard about MIDX earlier being the first one to be done. Is it being painted into BA livery or just being de-branded? As it seems so soon for a full job.

User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44264 times:

IAG will give a full update on how they plan to intergrate BD into BA when they announce Q1 results on May 11, 2012.
This announcement is expected to include details of which routes BA intend to continue to operate past the Summer 12 season. They will also announce the routes that they plan to close along with the date that the service will end.

They will also announce what they plan to do with WW and BMI Regional

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 3):
Anybody know if BA intend to maintain service to Dammam?

BA have served DMM in the past. One option could be to add the service as a continuation of their daily RUH or 5 x Weekly JED service. I think we will just have to wait for the 11th May to find out for sure.


User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44267 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 4):
Is it being painted into BA livery or just being de-branded?

I am pretty sure they will be repainted into BA livery, or at least a hybrid with BA livery and bmi titles.
I understand that bmi is conducting business as usual for now, however it does not make sense to take a plane out of service for over a week to just be de-branded and then, in October, sent out again for a week to be repainted into BA colours. 10quid on that the 319's and 320's mentioned above will come back in BA-uniform!  



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User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44216 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 3):
Anybody know if BA intend to maintain service to Dammam?
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 5):

IAG will give a full update on how they plan to integrate BD into BA when they announce Q1 results on May 11, 2012.

Please discuss routes and anything else regarding the merger in the "bmi is now part of BA" thread which you can find HERE

I started this thread for the sole purpose of discussing bmi fleet updates, thank you ever so much!



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 44108 times:
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Kind of ironic the MEDx series will end up in BA scheme again.


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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 43934 times:

Why does MIDX need an interior change straight away though?

User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 43864 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 9):

To provide a consistent service as soon as possible. Its going to be a bit messy having a few different cabins around on the network. The sooner the cabins can be aligned, the easier it is for the airline and customers.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 43753 times:

Werent a lot of the BMED airbuses in basic BA config anyway ? would only need minor alterations

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 43681 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):

Werent a lot of the BMED airbuses in basic BA config anyway ? would only need minor alterations


In the cabin they had a completely different config to BA mainline.


User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 43613 times:

Quoting irregking (Thread starter):
A330 G-WWBM - To be ferried LHR-MLA 19May for MX & MLA-MAN for repaint into all white. To be returned to Lessor Oct2012
A330 G-WWBD - To be returned to Lessor Oct2012

That's a real shame, I had a big hope/wish to see the A330s in BA livery.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 43405 times:

Thanks for that . Most of those I have flown on ! Certainly is happening fast no surprise about the A330's.

User currently offlinefutura From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 42793 times:

I certainly will miss the most beautiful livery in the skies


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User currently onlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2995 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 42792 times:
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Quoting BA174 (Reply 9):
Why does MIDX need an interior change straight away though?

Because it got Lufthansa fit all over it !


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 42300 times:

Will the brown seats disappear... I think they are better than BA's and would be bad to see them go...


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User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 42252 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 16):

G-MIDX (along with G-MIDT) are both operated with a 20 seat fixed business cabin and a 108 seat economy cabin with the old bmi convertible variable geometry seating. They still have the light blue leather seat covers and hideous red check carpet.


User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 41877 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 13):
Quoting irregking (Thread starter):
A330 G-WWBM - To be ferried LHR-MLA 19May for MX & MLA-MAN for repaint into all white. To be returned to Lessor Oct2012
A330 G-WWBD - To be returned to Lessor Oct2012

That's a real shame, I had a big hope/wish to see the A330s in BA livery.

I know what you mean I was hoping the same thing



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 41413 times:

Thank god G-WWBD is going, it was worn out inside having essentially been run exclusively on LHR-RUH-JED/DMM for the past few years. Add to that, on average it seems to go tech once a month, and high lease rates, October can't come soon enough!

I will miss the BD colourscheme/branding throughout, I always admired how fresh and modern it looked. Whilst I will admit I would have liked to have seen an A330 in BA colours, it wouldn't look as good as their 747s and 777s...

Also nice to see BA getting some "newer" A319s (as far as I'm aware all of BDs A319s are newer than BAs) as their current ones are a bit tatty.

I look forward to seeing what happens with the RUH, JED and DMM routes as BD don't do too badly on them in J (my dad flew back the other day and it was full in J, nearly empty in Y) and with BA they seem to be doing quite well in all classes too. I wonder if we'll see a capacity increase to 1 daily flight (747) or keep it as 2 daily flights on 777s or a 777 and a 767? Or will SV pickup the old BD LHR slots for RUH?


User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 40816 times:

Wonder when G-DBCA will get done, this still has Lufthansa seating.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 40736 times:

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 18):

I will miss the J Class blue seats though . Flew it many a time DUB-LHR .

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BSL/074_800x600.jpg


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 40636 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):

Its nice, but it would not fit in to the BA fleet well. The good thing about the BA short haul fleet is it can easily one minute be on a domestic and the next after a little re config it can do a Euro flight.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 40611 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 20):
Also nice to see BA getting some "newer" A319s (as far as I'm aware all of BDs A319s are newer than BAs) as their current ones are a bit tatty.

I look forward to seeing what happens with the RUH, JED and DMM routes as BD don't do too badly on them in J (my dad flew back the other day and it was full in J, nearly empty in Y) and with BA they seem to be doing quite well in all classes too. I wonder if we'll see a capacity increase to 1 daily flight (747) or keep it as 2 daily flights on 777s or a 777 and a 767? Or will SV pickup the old BD LHR slots for RUH?

Hopefully the rumours that BA will use the BD A319s to replace its 737s will turn out true as they are getting pretty run down inside.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 41407 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 23):

True I agree that BA needs to bring the interiors in line with the rest of the fleet. Still nice memories of BMI especially their recent brown leather interiors which I loved.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BMIAUG/26688b69.jpg


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 41355 times:

Quoting irregking (Thread starter):
This info has been passed to me, thought I'd share.

Thanks.

It is not surprising that BA are using their new paint shop at EMA. But can we assume their LHR paint shop is pre-booked - possibly for more Dove livery 319s - as it does not feature on the listing?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 42260 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 4):
Is it being painted into BA livery or just being de-branded?

All of the aircraft listed by the TO are due to be out of service for at least one week. This very strongly indicates that they are all to be repainted in full BA livery. Indeed they will be out of service long enough to be stripped back to bare metal first and not simply cleaned and over-painted.


User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 41349 times:

Are the 319s and 320s going to be re-registered to G-EU?? To keep commonality with the rest of the BA fleet?

User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2352 posts, RR: 21
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 41203 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 13):
That's a real shame, I had a big hope/wish to see the A330s in BA livery.

Thats a shame, too bad these couldn't be an interm replacement for the Long Haul BA 767s. I'd imagine the insides of these birds are probably in better shape too.

Pardon my ignorance, but did BA even consider keeping the A330s?



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 41238 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 29):
Thats a shame, too bad these couldn't be an interm replacement for the Long Haul BA 767s. I'd imagine the insides of these birds are probably in better shape too.

Pardon my ignorance, but did BA even consider keeping the A330s?

I doubt it, considering BD only had 2 A330s on high lease rates, I think they're going to try and get rid of them as soon as possible... add to that having two odball aircraft in the fleet, it isn't worth it for BA. Plus, from my experience, G-WWBD is probably on par with the BA 767s condition wise...

Besides - BA are slowly installing new interiors in the 767s so they can keep going for a bit longer yet


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 40914 times:

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 28):
Are the 319s and 320s going to be re-registered to G-EU?? To keep commonality with the rest of the BA fleet?

On past form the answer would be 'No'.

Neither of BA's second-hand 320s that were previously operated by first GB Airways and then easyJet were reregistered. They both still carry their original registrations, G-TTOB and 'OE. This would indicate that the 319s would likely retain their G-DBCx registrations. I guess it is possible that the 320s currently registered G-MIDx might be reregistered to get rid on the British Midland association. But I personally think that even that is unlikely.

BA will certainly use some BD LHR slots for long haul expansion. So they will not be able to use at least some of BD's short haul aircraft for LHR operations. I believe that BD's single-aisle aircraft excepting only 320s G-MIDO and 'DY are all leased. So the future of many of the aircraft could depend on the terms and conditions of those leases or the dates when the leases expire. Nevertheless one possibility is that BA could transfer some of the BD aircraft to LGW and retire some or even all of their own ageing 734 fleet.

Further complicating the issue are the five 320s originally ordered by IB that IAG announced some time ago would be purchased by BA immediately following delivery. And then there are the 12 bmiBaby 737s that I believe are also all leased, and the 19 E135/145s (also leased?) operated by bmi Regional, both of which are effectively an unwanted addition to the BA fleet. Perhaps VS will take on some of the 737s or EMBs to operate domestic feed flights into LHR. But somehow I doubt it.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 37370 times:

Shame to see the lovely new bmi interiors go.. they were very pleasing on the eye and I found the chocolate brown seats very attractive and upmarket. I haven't been on a BA A32S for a while though- is it the typical dark blue leather that I remember?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 37101 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 32):

Indeed but they are quite comfortable .

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BAATHLHR/file-37.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BAATHLHR/file-23.jpg


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 36098 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 31):
Nevertheless one possibility is that BA could transfer some of the BD aircraft to LGW and retire some or even all of their own ageing 734 fleet.

I suppose that may depend on how many ex-BD routes and frequencies BA choose to retain beyond the Summer. I see some of the BD A320s are ex-BMED which presumably are used on ex-BMED routes, or is that more with the ex-BMED A321s where they are kept on specific routes? Either way, it does make sense to review the additional resources available to see what can be done with them if BA are retaining them long-term.

I agree with the decision to withdraw the A330s as I reckon BA could easily cover these routes with 767s should they choose to retain them.


User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 35797 times:

I am sad that the BD livery is going  

Wonder if anyone can get a pic of G-MIDX when she gets to EMA? I would pop down, but it is chucking it down with rain! Is it a BA facility at EMA?


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 35638 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 13):

This is as close as it's going to get:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3867/babmia330.png



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 35359 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 36):

Nice work, thanks. I don't like the BA livery on the A330 at all though... Glad that they are holding out for the 787...


User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 34981 times:

Quoting emalad (Reply 35):
Is it a BA facility at EMA?

It is now.  


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34472 times:

Did the fist one go off for repaint?

User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34537 times:

Just seen on flightradar24.com that G-MIDX has just landed at EMA after a very short flight from LHR (BMA9531)

A shame she landed in the dark, or was it part of the plan?  


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 34053 times:

Quoting by188b (Reply 21):
Wonder when G-DBCA will get done, this still has Lufthansa seating.

G-DBCA is still dedicated to operarting for LH between LHR and TXL:

http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/g-dbca/

presumably now on wet lease from BA. Or was it excluded from the sale of BD?


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 33806 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 41):
presumably now on wet lease from BA. Or was it excluded from the sale of BD?

BD is still operating, I imagine it is still a wet-lease from Bd to LH until the end of the summer schedule, presumably will revert to LH at that time, or Germanwings.



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 32916 times:

Any chance G-DBCB or G-DBCC will be painted into the dove livery?


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32780 times:

Judging from their schedules, BD will get a Eurofly A330-200 from May 19 (presumably to replace G-WWBM):

bmi british midland (BD, East Midlands (EMA)) plans to wet-lease an A330-200 from Meridiana fly (IG, Olbia Costa Smeralda (OLB)) from May 19 to replace its A330-200 G-WWBM (c/n 398) that will be withdrawn from the fleet. bmi is still expected to continue offering A330-200 services until its full integration into British Airways (BA, London Heathrow (LHR))'s operation from the start of the IATA winter timetable season. Its first A320-200 G-MIDX (c/n 1177) is currently being repainted in BA colours and reconfigured at East Midlands (EMA).

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/newsdetail.php?id=10208



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32620 times:

I imagine whatever happens to the cabin of MEDK in the next week or so will be very telling of the future of the "longhaul" airbuses!!!!


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 32508 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 44):
Its first A320-200 G-MIDX (c/n 1177) is currently being repainted in BA colours and reconfigured at East Midlands (EMA).

Is this poor reporting, or actually true? If so, some may get their wish!

On the other hand, if it came out all white I wouldn't die of shock



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32348 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 46):
Is this poor reporting, or actually true? If so, some may get their wish!

If you've made the same mistake as I did, then you need to reread the sentence more carefully.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32377 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 47):
If you've made the same mistake as I did, then you need to reread the sentence more carefully.

Duh   



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32198 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 45):
I imagine whatever happens to the cabin of MEDK in the next week or so will be very telling of the future of the "longhaul" airbuses!!!!

I'd imagine not.
It's quite clear, the A330s are not going to enter the BA fleet.
The A320s will do



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 31959 times:

Is the cabin of G-DBCA uniquely configured (for a BD 319)? If so, how? If not why is it dedicated to LH LHR-TXL-LHR rotations?

User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8545 posts, RR: 54
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 31959 times:
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Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 44):
Judging from their schedules, BD will get a Eurofly A330-200 from May 19 (presumably to replace G-WWBM):

- Any idea why? - the lease on WWBM is not up until October, seems a bit odd to put in to storage and lease somesthing else in.



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 31969 times:

Judging from some feedback I have just received, it is just to cover for maintenance on both A330s until the end of July, then both BD 332s will fly until the end of October.


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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 31917 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 49):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 45):
I imagine whatever happens to the cabin of MEDK in the next week or so will be very telling of the future of the "longhaul" airbuses!!!!

I'd imagine not.
It's quite clear, the A330s are not going to enter the BA fleet.
The A320s will do

   I know the 330s are going, I was referring to the longhaul cabins in the former BMED A320/21s. MEDK is one of these aircraft and if it returns to LHR with a EF cabin then I think we have a pretty good idea what BA intends on doing with those aircraft....and the routes!



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 31821 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 53):
  I know the 330s are going, I was referring to the longhaul cabins in the former BMED A320/21s. MEDK is one of these aircraft and if it returns to LHR with a EF cabin then I think we have a pretty good idea what BA intends on doing with those aircraft....and the routes!

Well I hope it is not a 7th a day to ARN or a 10th a day to BCN...



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 31755 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 53):
then I think we have a pretty good idea what BA intends on doing with those aircraft....and the routes!

Totally agree- if they come back in EF config, it's pretty safe to say that either some of the longer bd network (Beirut, Damascus, Khartoum, Adis Ababa) are either going to be transferred to wide body service, or they will be discontinued.
Because they are not going to operate those EF configured aircraft on stretches of 5-8 hours.
Does anyone know when the aircraft is due to be finished?



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 31440 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 50):
Is the cabin of G-DBCA uniquely configured (for a BD 319)? If so, how? If not why is it dedicated to LH LHR-TXL-LHR rotations?

LH grey leather seats, blue LH curtains and carpet, LH bulkhead coverings, all signage in English and German. This is one of two aircraft that were dedicated to LH wetlease routes out of LHR (HAM/DRS/TXL/CGN).


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 31403 times:

I know both bmi and BA use the V2500 but are the general specs of the Airbus's similar? Or do they have some variation?

GCPET



If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 31077 times:

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 56):

Many thanks.


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 30974 times:

Its not just the above decks config that causes problems, I understand the BD airbus are Not Containerised so can't operate out of T5 also they only have fueling on one side unlike the BA fleet which has both sides, this greatly reduces their ability to use T5.

Great fun ahead


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 60, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 30928 times:

Quoting Lofty (Reply 59):
I understand the BD airbus are Not Containerised so can't operate out of T5 also they only have fueling on one side unlike the BA fleet which has both sides, this greatly reduces their ability to use T5.

I think it's just the A319s that are not containerised. The A320 and A321s should be. AFAIK all the MEDx are BA spec aircraft.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 61, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 30664 times:

I checked out the TXL-LHR-TXL flights on both the BD and LH web sites this morning (1 May).

At first sight perhaps a little perversely the BD web site states that BD3126/27/28/29/30/31, the three daily rotations normally operated by BD 319 G-DBCA, are 'Operated by Lufthansa' while the LH web site that lists these rotations as LH3372/73/74/75/76/77 describes them as being 'Operated by British Midland International'.

I am guessing that LH have updated their web site but BD have not. However LH3372 is, I believe, in the prime LH flight number range while I think BD3126 is in their code share range.

I guess apparent anomalies such as this are bound to occur in any major transition period.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 30598 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 61):
At first sight perhaps a little perversely the BD web site states that BD3126/27/28/29/30/31, the three daily rotations normally operated by BD 319 G-DBCA, are 'Operated by Lufthansa' while the LH web site that lists these rotations as LH3372/73/74/75/76/77 describes them as being 'Operated by British Midland International'.

I don't know about LHR-TXL, but the two websites have AFAIK always had this disconnect for MAN-FRA. Whenever I've looked at that route, which ever website I was on said that the other operated it!



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 30615 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 60):
Quoting Lofty (Reply 59):
I understand the BD airbus are Not Containerised so can't operate out of T5 also they only have fueling on one side unlike the BA fleet which has both sides, this greatly reduces their ability to use T5.

I think it's just the A319s that are not containerised. The A320 and A321s should be. AFAIK all the MEDx are BA spec aircraft.

A319s - bulk loaded
G-MIDx A320s - container
G-MEDx A320s - bulk
G-MEDx A321s - bulk

A319's and G-MIDx A320's are fuelled both sides (some of the T1 stands are so tight that the fuel truck wouldn't fit between the baggage loaders!), but I'm not sure about G-MEDx aircraft.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 64, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 29940 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 61):
I checked out the TXL-LHR-TXL flights on both the BD and LH web sites this morning (1 May).

At first sight perhaps a little perversely the BD web site states that BD3126/27/28/29/30/31, the three daily rotations normally operated by BD 319 G-DBCA, are 'Operated by Lufthansa' while the LH web site that lists these rotations as LH3372/73/74/75/76/77 describes them as being 'Operated by British Midland International'.

I am guessing that LH have updated their web site but BD have not. However LH3372 is, I believe, in the prime LH flight number range while I think BD3126 is in their code share range.

I guess apparent anomalies such as this are bound to occur in any major transition period.

I think this has been like this before already on some routes and technically is correct although a bit confusing obviously. bmi codeshares on a Lufthansa flight that is operated by bmi on a wet-lease basis.



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 29201 times:

Any update on whats happened to MIDX livery wise? It should be due out soon.

User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 28992 times:

Just booked a flight on BD592 heading back from Farnborough Air show. According to BMI website and Flight24 this flight is operated by a A319/A320. Do you guys think I'll end up having a BA liveried aircraft   ? If so I'll be a bit gutted; already flown on BA to Montreal and really wanted to try out BMI before they shut!

To be fair BD have a lot to do to beat my FR experience... this isn't a joke, I thought Ryanair were fantastic!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 67, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 28307 times:

Quoting HullCitySpotter (Reply 66):
Do you guys think I'll end up having a BA liveried aircraft ?

Yes, particularly if G-MEDK returns to LHR from SOF on 11 May in BA's Union Flag livery. By September I would expect most of BD's fleet to have been repainted.


User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 27778 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 67):

It's apparently normally a G-MID* aircraft, so hopefully I'll avoid G-MEDK and get G-MIDO, which I keep spotting at Manchester every time I go there (but I know it's on the MAN-FRA-MAN with LH at the moment so one can only hope).

Would anyone actually recommend BMI? This'll be the first time I fly with them and probably the last but I've heard nothing but good things about them. Hopefully I'll see some blue for my flight back to MAN!


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 27334 times:

Quoting HullCitySpotter (Reply 68):

Would anyone actually recommend BMI? This'll be the first time I fly with them and probably the last but I've heard nothing but good things about them. Hopefully I'll see some blue for my flight back to MAN!

BMI are good but as someone who uses them a hell of a lot I wouldnt say they are great. They are up there with the likes of Aer Lingus, CityJet and other medium sized carriers but if you are down the back on their shorthaul flights you are still paying for all the extras and their crew are at best friendly, at worst as bullish as you can get anywhere.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 70, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 27315 times:

Quoting HullCitySpotter (Reply 68):

Over a decade flying BMI as a top tier member and they are very good. Sometimes business decisions on catering and so called enhancements spoilt the product but the crew have always been amazing despite all this. BA will find that they are getting some real quality members of staff.


User currently offlineHAL9k From Norway, joined Feb 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27168 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 3):
Anybody know if BA intend to maintain service to Dammam?

BD has leased a 332 from IG to serve RUH JED and DMM for 19may-29jul2012.

LHR-RUH-DMM 1.3..6.
LHR-RUH-JED .2.4..7


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27099 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 70):
Over a decade flying BMI as a top tier member and they are very good

They're not great down the back, not so much as a cup of coffee. It's not a whole lot but more than enough to make BA a world better when in a hurry after a meeting and paying for your own travel.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 27022 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 72):

So what does BA serve down the back on a GLA-LHR or similar routing these days ? Evening times for example.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26996 times:

Quoting HAL9k (Reply 71):
BD has leased a 332 from IG to serve RUH JED and DMM for 19may-29jul2012.

LHR-RUH-DMM 1.3..6.
LHR-RUH-JED .2.4..7

Why is that? What's happened to G-WWBD that usually (always) operates that route?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26889 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 74):
Why is that? What's happened to G-WWBD that usually (always) operates that route?

Heavy routine maintenance that has been planned for some time.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26895 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 73):
So what does BA serve down the back on a GLA-LHR or similar routing these days ? Evening times for example.

Breakfast in the morning or a "sweet or savoury" snack with drinks at other times, complementary of course. The sweet snack is usually the Bronters cookies/shortbread from what I have had.

When G-MEDK comes back in a few days will it be able to cross work both BD and original BA flights with respective crews etc or will it still have to remain at the BD only side until the AOC officially becomes BAs (October)?


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 27070 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 69):
but if you are down the back on their shorthaul flights you are still paying for all the extras and their crew are at best friendly, at worst as bullish as you can get anywhere.
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 72):
They're not great down the back, not so much as a cup of coffee. It's not a whole lot but more than enough to make BA a world better when in a hurry after a meeting and paying for your own travel.

Domestic flights (including DUB and HAJ) offer complimentary food and drink for those who have bought a flexible economy ticket, and BoB for those on an economy ticket.

All short haul flights over 1:15 offer hot wraps and complimentary drinks (tea / coffee / juices / soft drinks / beer / wine / spirits) in economy. Short haul flights over 2:30 offer the above, along with a snack and a second round of drinks with pretzels.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26944 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 73):
So what does BA serve down the back on a GLA-LHR or similar routing these days ? Evening times for example.

Coffee / tea and nuts, it's rubbish but a lifesaver if running like a looney at the end of the day and sitting down for the first time on hours.

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 77):
All short haul flights over 1:15 offer hot wraps and complimentary drinks (tea / coffee / juices / soft drinks / beer / wine / spirits) in economy.

That's odd, flown LHR-ABZ with mainline and Regional and got nothing free at all!


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 26928 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 78):
That's odd, flown LHR-ABZ with mainline and Regional and got nothing free at all!

Airborne time is normally less than 1:15 on a mainline aircraft (technically there is no Regional service out of LHR, they are simply Embraer aircraft damp leased to mainline), but as ABZ is domestic, domestic service applies.

http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/experience-bmi/economy.aspx

Shorthaul flights
Online Check-in and Self Check-in with Online Check-in Fast Bag Drop for those with baggage to be checked in
Advance seat selection at Check-in
32" seat pitch with 3:3 seating
Complimentary food and beverage (excluding Hannover, Dublin and domestic routes to/from London)
Inflight menu for purchase of refreshments
Complimentary newspaper
Fare is eligible for Diamond Club miles
Make your journey even easier and book a Flexible Economy flight.

http://www.flybmi.com/media/assets/D...ument/1506,20110516094552,3210.PDF


User currently offlineHAL9k From Norway, joined Feb 2011, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 26552 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 74):
Why is that? What's happened to G-WWBD that usually (always) operates that route?
Quoting VV701 (Reply 75):
Heavy routine maintenance that has been planned for some time.

As 332/G-WWBM, which is going to be ferried later this month (19/5) to MLA for maintenance and thereafter to MAN for painting (white), I guess BA is planning to get rid of the BD fleet ASAP.

The A320 fleet is already under "rebranding" activity (cabin/livery), with G-MIDX already under work and other to follow.

I actually don't know if the IG lease is a wet or a dry lease.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26289 times:

Quoting HAL9k (Reply 80):
I actually don't know if the IG lease is a wet or a dry lease.

It will be a wet lease.

Flights will operate with IG flight and cabin crew


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 25952 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 81):
t will be a wet lease.

Flights will operate with IG flight and cabin crew

With a bmi service manager, inflight chef and an Arabic speaking member of cabin crew


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 25742 times:

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 82):
With a bmi service manager, inflight chef and an Arabic speaking member of cabin crew

That'll be interesting... My dad is flying RUH-LHR-MAN later this month (and back early June) - will there be any differences in product given he paid roughly the same as he paid previously on the regular BD product?


User currently offlinebgm From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 25718 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 83):
will there be any differences in product given he paid roughly the same as he paid previously on the regular BD product?

Yes, he'll be flying on a plane that doesn't go tech...   


User currently offlinepegasus1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 25615 times:

[quote=skipness1E,reply=Coffee / tea and nuts, it's rubbish but a lifesaver if running like a looney at the end of the day and sitting down for the first time on hours./quote]

Actually, it's much more than that. The 'rest-of-the-day' offering outside of breakfast time (when, as has already been stated, a hot English breakfast is served) is tea or coffee with a sweet snack - usually a biscuit from the Fox's range or a Walker's shortbread - and/or a cold drink with a savoury snack - usually a bag of salty biscuits and pretzels or 'tikka bites' (but NOT nuts). The cold drink selection is anything from a simple glass of water or juice to a selection of fizzy drinks, beer, wine or a small range of spirits (so G&T is in great demand at certain times of day!  ) Your choice and ALL COMPLIMENTARY. If you're lucky, ask nicely and don't come across as a p***head, you might even get seconds!!  . Not a bad offering, considering the flight time (although short of what used to be offered in the 'good old days') but certainly no worse than other European carriers offer on similar flights segments and still free of charge... Smile

[Edited 2012-05-08 14:02:57]

User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 25411 times:

Quoting bgm (Reply 84):
Yes, he'll be flying on a plane that doesn't go tech...   

That's very true! I had a 5 hour delay once and a cancellation because of that bloody aircraft! I don't see why that aircraft goes tech so often, it's ridiculous!

Still, if you've paid for BD business expecting a full flat bed and you only get a recliner on the Meridiana Fly aircraft you'd be pretty pissed off! But you're more likely to get there!


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 25337 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if an interim livery is used if the early repaints will be restricted to BD routes only. However I think it's possible that as soon as they are repainted they will be pooled between mainline and BD. Has any BA metal operated a BD flight yet? And is cross working likely in the future?

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 88, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 25106 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 87):
I wouldn't be surprised if an interim livery is used if the early repaints will be restricted to BD routes only. However I think it's possible that as soon as they are repainted they will be pooled between mainline and BD. Has any BA metal operated a BD flight yet? And is cross working likely in the future?

If any interim livery is used I would have thought it'd be minimal. Perhaps like AA acquired TWA - aircraft starting appearing in full AA colours, except for TWA titles on the tail and fuselage. It looks like BA is moving to have the BD narrowbody fleet ready to be fully integrated into the BA fleet for the Winter schedules, so I'd expect everything to be kept separate until then but made ready to be quickly switched come October. I guess G-MIDX will be the biggest clue though!



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24753 times:

I think MEDK comes back first. Will these rebranded aircraft also come back and get BA safety cards/videos etc loaded onboard as they will no longer be in BD C/S?

Any interim livery would probably be along the lines of this

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=724050


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24505 times:

According to the Airport Coordination Ltd web site Lufthansa Group have stripped out many BD LHR slots. As at February they were reporting that BD had just 461 weekly Summer Season slots compared to the 1,091 they had at the start of Summer 2009. To this 461 we should add those slots that BD is using to operate flights on behalf of Lufthansa Group. But that still means that the number of slots being operated with BD aircraft is almost certainly significantly lower than it was even last summer. On the other hand of the slots that BD have lost, BA bought six daily slot pairs from Lufthansa Group last autumn

So I am guessing that BD do not need all of their current fleet to operate their Summer 2012 schedules and to operate those flights BD is continuing to fly (at least for the time being) for LH. I am also guessing that BA are short of short haul aircraft with the situation being made worse by the damage to 734 'CU.

So it seems to me that all of BD's fleet will not be required to operate their Summer Schedules. I also think that BA's short-haul fleet will be a bit stretched, particularly as at any one time two are undergoing inspection and maintenance at PIK in addition to aircrafdt on routine maintenance.

So I think that the aircraft returning from the various paint shops in the coming days will be painted in full BA colours, will have had their cabins reconfigured to BA specification and will be operated in future on BA flights.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24452 times:

MEDK is mid-haul so it will be intereting to see what BA do with that. I expect it will just be reconfigured to the euro confi as I can't see BA keeping the mid haul concept going..

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24456 times:

MEDK is mid-haul so it will be intereting to see what BA do with that. I expect it will just be reconfigured to the euro config as I can't see BA keeping the mid haul concept going.

User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23944 times:

I was sitting on Richmond Green having my sandwich at lunchtime watching the LHR inbounds dipping in and out of the clouds and it ocurred to me that it might be a good thing to paint some of the BMI planes in the Onewrold colour scheme and send them into the Star Alliance European heartlands... just a thought and I hadnt even had a drink

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23455 times:

Well MEDK is due back today so we should see the result.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23491 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 94):

Great looking forward to seeing that  


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1303 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23006 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 41):

Quoting by188b (Reply 21):
Wonder when G-DBCA will get done, this still has Lufthansa seating.

G-DBCA is still dedicated to operarting for LH between LHR and TXL:

http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/g-dbca/

presumably now on wet lease from BA. Or was it excluded from the sale of BD?


I was on G-DBCA this morning to NCE. Still has the LH interior, and apparently not dedicated to LH routes.



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User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22916 times:

Has MEDK come back yet?

User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22830 times:

Quoting HullCitySpotter (Reply 68):
Would anyone actually recommend BMI? This'll be the first time I fly with them and probably the last but I've heard nothing but good things about them. Hopefully I'll see some blue for my flight back to MAN!

Fly BMI before their completely absorbed! Certainly a very good airline, with some very solid interior fittings. (Especially on mid-haul A321s) Food is on par with others, and crew are always good with my experience.



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User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22864 times:

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 98):

I'm on the BD592 on the Saturday of the Farnborough AirShow; to my knowledge it'll still be BMI then won't it?   


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22800 times:

Don't think it has. Maybe more is being done to it than initially anticipated thought.

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22582 times:

I'm on BD907 to Beirut on Monday. Scheduled 321. I will miss them when they go


Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1303 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22449 times:

Speaking to the captain of my flight back from Nice earlier, he said that G-DBCD will be painted into the BA Dove livery 'very soon'. Weather very soon means tomorrow or in 3 months who knows?


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 103, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22220 times:

G-MIDX is apparently back, though nothing anywhere confirms in what livery.


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 104, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22227 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 73):
Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 102):
G-DBCD will be painted into the BA Dove livery 'very soon'. Weather very soon means tomorrow or in 3 months who knows?

DBCB should be out in Dove colours 25 May, then DBCH 7 Jun then DBCD 15 Jun


User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 22148 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 103):
G-MIDX is apparently back, though nothing anywhere confirms in what livery.

Still in Star Alliance colours:

http://www.heathrowcam.net/index.php...page=11&view=1&photo=198239&mode=1


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22029 times:

Quoting BAW217 (Reply 105):
Still in Star Alliance colours

Odd. Why would they not repaint it into BA livery? Unless they had an interior refit and the livery will be done elsewhere?



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22021 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 106):

From a Twitter message I read seems just some new seats and wardrobe space changed. Bit of a shame not too see more done.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21922 times:

My only guess is that BA will now black the tail out. Strange to see it come back in the same livery. Any sign of MEDK?

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21519 times:
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MEDK just arrived back at LHR still in bmi colours.


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User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21335 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 109):
MEDK just arrived back at LHR still in bmi colours.

That, I can understand to a degree... since the bmi schedule continues to be operated, and not all the flights have been given BA numbers yet, etc... the brand still exists for a few months yet.

However, MIDX continuing to fly around in Star Alliance colours is a bit baffling to say the least. They could've painted out the tail and the tiles and slapped OneWorld stickers on instead as an interim measure, but to do nothing doesn't make much sense on the face of it!

Mind you, MIDX was up at EMA, and we're all familiar with their work... afterall, MIDX has only just been re-painted, to be fair:


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21293 times:

Clearly BA are moving across to STAR. Obvious innit.
* flees


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20928 times:

My guess is that they will go through the BA paint faciltiy at LHR. I can't see MIDX being returned to service in *A livery

User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20893 times:

BMA81F @ 2012-05-14 08:04 CET from BHD to LHR

Apparently it has; however only to Belfast.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 114, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20866 times:

Quoting HullCitySpotter (Reply 113):
Apparently it has; however only to Belfast.

Typical send us the faulty goods    


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 20599 times:

So what has happened to MEDK? Does it still have the mid-haul product?

User currently offlineba9216c From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20050 times:

There was a BMI airbus moved into the LHR paint bay this morning. One wearing the full blue BMI colours. I do no know the registration at this moment in time.

User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19759 times:

Quoting ba9216c (Reply 116):
There was a BMI airbus moved into the LHR paint bay this morning. One wearing the full blue BMI colours. I do no know the registration at this moment in time.

G-DBCB positioned MAN-LHR yesterday and moved into the paintshop today, according to thebasource.com.


User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18766 times:
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Gold flag on the tail of DBCB visible in the hangar yesterday.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18462 times:

Between them three BD 320s, G-MIDO, 'DS and 'DY continue to operate the three-times-daily LH FRA-MAN-FRA (LH949, LH942/43, LH947/47 and LH948) and FRA-BHX-FRA (LH954/55, LH956/57 and LF958/59) rotations.

The three aircraft are interchanged every few days with the aircraft operating the BHX rotations returning to LHR by operating first a FRA-MAN and then a MAN-LHR flight.

Currently (25 May) 'DO is operating the MAN rotations and has been doing so since 21 May. 'DS started its current BHX rotations on 18 May. To complete the picture 319 G-DBCA continues to be primarily dedicated to the three-times-daily TXL-LHR-TXL rotations (LH3372/73, LH3374/75 and LH3376/77) although it was briefly operated on other routes on 26-28 April and 11-12 and 21-23 May.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17806 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 118):

Gold flag on the tail of DBCB visible in the hanger yesterday

I've been told it could be in service tomorrow but will defiantly be back out this week. Will the repainted aircraft be crewed by BA crews on ex-BD slots?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 121, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17793 times:

Apparantly this is it in the hanger being prepared :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/224533a4.jpg


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

Dove coloured G-DBCB in the BMI hangar and G-EUPA at BA this afternoon. They're flocking.....

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 123, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17349 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 122):
Dove coloured G-DBCB in the BMI hangar

Now out of the hangar with cabin configured as BA standard for 132C/Y passengers and is operating BA8138 LHR-BSL under BA AOC. First bmi aircraft fully integrated into BA.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17164 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 123):
operating BA8138 LHR-BSL under BA AOC. First bmi aircraft fully integrated into BA.

This flight was formerly BD161. Just remembered that that is the flight where LX wet leased the aircraft after it arrived at BSL. It then operated LX1934/35 (BSL-BCN-BSL, (call sign SWR1934/SWR935N) before returning to LHR as BD162. My understanding is that this arrangement will continue into next month. So today, if this iis correct, a BA Dove liveried aircraft is operating for LX!


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 125, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17090 times:

Which is the next A319 into the hanger?


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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 126, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17104 times:

Anybody know when the mid haul A321s are going to be repainted? And whether the internal configuration will change?


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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17151 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 124):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 123):
operating BA8138 LHR-BSL under BA AOC. First bmi aircraft fully integrated into BA.

This flight was formerly BD161. Just remembered that that is the flight where LX wet leased the aircraft after it arrived at BSL. It then operated LX1934/35 (BSL-BCN-BSL, (call sign SWR1934/SWR935N) before returning to LHR as BD162. My understanding is that this arrangement will continue into next month. So today, if this iis correct, a BA Dove liveried aircraft is operating for LX!


So I take it it will be BA crewed as it is under their AOC?

WIill it have BA service onboard e.g. Club Europe etc?


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 128, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

Swiss Europrean will operate the BSL-BCN turn...

User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16925 times:

Speaking of G-DBCB... found this on the internet.


Looks lovely!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 130, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16722 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 127):
So I take it it will be BA crewed as it is under their AOC?

The crew will be BA trained but could be former BD employees.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 127):
WIill it have BA service onboard e.g. Club Europe etc?

Yes. Everything about it apart from its history since it completed its last BD service (BD594 LHR-MAN) and a ferry flight back to LHR (BD9521) on 15 May is BA.

It has:

BA livery.

A BA configured cabin.

with a BA trained, employed and uniformed crew.

operating under the BA AOC

and offering a full BA-style service..

In the light of this I have been wondering if it was just the luck of the draw that assigned this aircraft on its first flight after its full conversion to a fiully fledged -   it is in Dove livery - BA aircraft and service to today's rotations. Or did someone in the organisation, perhaps with their tongue in their cheek, assign it so that its second and third flights in its new guise were BSL-BCN-BSL (LX1934/35) on wet lease to Swiss European Air Lines?


User currently offlinecallumm92 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16524 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 130):
Or did someone in the organisation, perhaps with their tongue in their cheek, assign it so that its second and third flights in its new guise were BSL-BCN-BSL (LX1934/35) on wet lease to Swiss European Air Lines?

It's a nice thought! But sadly, LX have been operating the route with an RJ100 since last Monday. As far as I can tell G-DBCB operated BA8138/BA8141 today, with a 6 hour layover in BSL, and is also operating BA8146/BA8147 to NCE this evening.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 132, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16325 times:

Quoting callumm92 (Reply 131):
LX have been operating the route with an RJ100 since last Monday

I had a look and that is correct.

That flight had been operated by an LX RJ100 on Saturdays and by a BD A319 on all other days. The last BD operated rotation was LX1834/35 by G-DBCH on Sunday 20 May. Since then all flights have been flown by an LX RJ100.

Sorry. I should have checked that out before posting.


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15991 times:

Love the photo what I can't get use to is the Blue Tug on a BA aircraft at LHR.

User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15975 times:

Feel very sad to see DBCB in BA colours! It's finally the start of the very end of British Midland and by the end of the summer season they'll all be in BA colours and BMI will be no more  

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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15687 times:

Quoting GCPET (Reply 134):
BMI will be no more

The crew will still be within BA and will carry over their warmth and charm!

What I really want to know is what is happening with Beirut- I have a flight booked with them LHR-BEY-LHR in December and all that is known at this stage is "the summer schedule will operate as normal".
I wonder if BA will operate bmi's A321s as a separate sub fleet to operate the mid haul routes or whether they will transfer them to the standard short haul configuration that BA has on its A321s.



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15505 times:

I think it's already been announced that they won't operate mid-haul A320 family birds. All airbus will be in eurofleet config.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15349 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 136):
I think it's already been announced that they won't operate mid-haul A320 family birds. All airbus will be in eurofleet config.

Nothing has been announced as far as I know. If they do not keep the mid-haul airbuses, how will they keep on flying to BEY, THR, BAK, FNA, etc in the short term.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15247 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 137):
Nothing has been announced as far as I know. If they do not keep the mid-haul airbuses, how will they keep on flying to BEY, THR, BAK, FNA, etc in the short term.

There seem to be five possible answers to the question of the future of the mid haul routes:

1. Mid-haul routes + mid haul single-aisle Airbuses will be retained

2. Mid haul routes shut down and mid-haul configured aircraft returned to lessors

3. Mid haul routes shut down and mid haul aircraft reconfigured for short haul ops

4. Mid haul routes retained + mid haul aircraft retained until replaced by 787s then back to lessors

5. Mid haul routes retained. Mid haul aircraft replaced by 787s and reconfigured for short haul ops

I would not be surprised to see a combination of all five possibilities. This could vary with the route and the terms of individual aircraft leases. And to me the best thing about this situation is that BA have given themselves time to assess the situation thoroughly. They have all of the Summer 2012 Season and, perhaps, into the Winter 2012-13 Season to assess their impact on load factors and profitability on each route.

Their impact should be positive. IAG and oneworld can provide a higher level of feed into this medium haul network from LHR than Lufthansa Group and Star Alliance ever could. Nevertheless BD has been haemorrhaging money for some time. Bishop and his team and then Lufthansa Group could not stem the flow. Hopefully BA can. But I doubt that all the medium haul routes can be saved. Some pruning is to be expected.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

I don't personally think that BA want a mid-haul product on Airbuses especially when you see shorter flights (CAI, DME) getting the full four class long-haul service. I think the selected high performing mid-hauls will be kept on either 777s or 767s the rest I see being dropped.

I also think that only the G-MED* aircraft will have a long term future at BA being original BA ordered AC to their spec.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

I read somewhere that a total of 7 BA aircraft will get special paint schemes. Presumably, those are all going to be narrowbodies and applied to the BMI fleet as they're in need of fresh paint anyway.

But are they all going to be Gold Dove and Firefly or will we see more variations? The former would be quite the disappointment..



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15128 times:

Quoting something (Reply 140):

I may be wrong, but I believe the rest are all going to be Doves. The Olympic flame was just fof G-EUPC when transporting the flame from ATH back to the UK.

Would have bene nice to see different variations  



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 142, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15036 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 141):
I may be wrong, but I believe the rest are all going to be Doves. The Olympic flame was just fof G-EUPC when transporting the flame from ATH back to the UK.

Does that imply they're going to repaint the Firefly into a Dove too? That would be lame as hell. (not that having 6-7 Doves flying around is any more exciting..)



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14810 times:
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G-RJXI has had it's Star Alliance logos removed.


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 144, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14740 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 141):
The Olympic flame was just fof G-EUPC when transporting the flame from ATH back to the UK.

The flame is off to the IOM and Belfast by air. I assume the same aircraft?


User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14717 times:
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Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 144):
The flame is off to the IOM and Belfast by air. I assume the same aircraft?

EUPC had some touching up done in the paintshop over night, so looks likely.



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User currently offlineHullCitySpotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14564 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 142):

Oh you're kidding... I was at Belfast City today! Saw DBCI in her BD colours... don't want to see them go at all! Plus I was surprised at BMIbaby's quality too! Plus we had a celebrity cabin crew member... Carla from the UK TV show Coach trip :P (obviously stewardess is her real job).


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 147, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14270 times:

A 319 G-DBCC operated BA8148 LHR-VIE this morning (29 May) using the call-sign BAW8148 suggesting it is now flying under the BA AOC. It last flew on 26 May operating BA8263 (AGA-LHR) but using the BD call-sign BMA446.

This all suggests that while out of service for two days the cabin was refurbished to the BA 132 C/Y configuration. However 'CC is still operating in BD livery.

The first former BD aircraft to operate under the BA AOC, A 319 G-DBCB, but only after it was painted in BA Dove livery, was formally registered to BA by the CAA today (29 May) - see their 'G-INFO' web site . This is the first BD aircraft to be reregistered to BA although G-DBCC is likely to follow today or tomorrow.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 148, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14014 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 145):
A 319 G-DBCC operated BA8148 LHR-VIE this morning (29 May) using the call-sign BAW8148 suggesting it is now flying under the BA AOC.

I think you are correct, but the fact that it uses a Speedbird callsign has no bearing on whether it is under the BA AOC.
If a service is sub contracted to another carrier they will use the original flight number.

Many years ago I was in the flight deck of a Nordic East Tristar, taxying out to take off in Madrid.
We were operating a block of ACMI charters for Air Europa, and were using an Air Europa call sign.
This confused the tower (think they would notice the only Tristar!!) who kept giving us clearances in Spanish.

Still applies today. When Titan operates BA flights at LGW, they will use the original Speedbird callsign. They have to. All the route clearances and flight plans refer to this flt number.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 149, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13923 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 143):

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 144):
The flame is off to the IOM and Belfast by air. I assume the same aircraft?

EUPC had some touching up done in the paintshop over night, so looks likely.

To get this right.. the Firefly livery has been amended?



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13897 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 148):
They have to. All the route clearances and flight plans refer to this flt number.

Not sure they HAVE to, they can choose otherwise but don't. They will not be using the original flight plan as the aircraft type is often different. There's no absolute rule.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13800 times:

Quoting something (Reply 147):

I doubt it's been amended. Some parts were peeling a way i.e. the word 'firefly' directly under the cockpit so just touch ups like said.

[Edited 2012-05-30 10:39:15]


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User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13800 times:
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Interestingly, G-DBCB appears to still have the red BMI flashes on its wingtip fences.

User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 150):

Nope, all BA airbus aircraft have this.



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User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13791 times:

Peersonally I'm very sorry to see BM pass away like this. I remember the fleet when it was Viscounts and B707's. Flew with them several times from LBA-LHR including once when we were upgraded sent off to the Lounge for a few pre flight drinks. Once onboard a great meal with half a bottle of Champagne and er....an extra bottle for after the flight which the FA gave to us   All for £34 each! My last LHR-LBA-LHR flight cost my company £500! and a few days later they finished serving LBA due to lack of demand despite all the flights I ever flew on being full. My very last BM flight was RUH-LHR on the A330 which looked a little tired. All the best to all crewmembers you will be missed.

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 155, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13737 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 149):
I doubt it's been amended. Some parts were peeling a way i.e. the word 'firefly' directly under the cockpit so just touch ups like said.

Thanks for that. It's such a shame though. You get a chance to see BA aircraft in special liveries, while BA is repainting a large number of aircraft anyway, and one measely Firefly and 6 ridiculously boring ''Doves'' is all you get.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13710 times:

If BA want a proper scheme how about a proper retro 1974 scheme Airbus or a 1971 BOAC B744. Not pretentious enough perhaps?

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13239 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 135):
Nothing has been announced as far as I know. If they do not keep the mid-haul airbuses, how will they keep on flying to BEY, THR, BAK, FNA, etc in the short term.

It may not be publically announced but the midhaul cabins are being removed from all the airbus aircraft.

It probably wont occur till the very end of the integration programme as I imagine the likes of BEY etc will be the last to transfer over!



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 4
Reply 158, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13194 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 155):
It may not be publically announced but the midhaul cabins are being removed from all the airbus aircraft.

While there is a proposed change coming, from what I've heard it won't involve a removal of midhaul cabins on the airbus fleet.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 159, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13157 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 156):
While there is a proposed change coming, from what I've heard it won't involve a removal of midhaul cabins on the airbus fleet.

If thats what you heard then thats what you heard! Iv "seen" differently!  



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 160, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13109 times:

What have you seen?! I always believed that BA won't want a separate mid haul fleet of A321s and the ex BMI will be converted to stanadard 321 config(shorthaul)

What it makes me wonder is what will happen to Beirut. It is a service which I regularly enjoy and I have 2 flights booked in December. The BA site shows it as an A320 which I can't see happening as they wouldn't send a short configd A320 to Beirut competing against ME with their comfortably configured A330s. The Only other aircraft I could see is the B767 but other people here say there is no spare capacity in the fleet. 



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

There isn't any 767 capacity at the moment unless they shuffle the timetable around and upgrade some routes 777s. I heard very early on that BA would not operate any mid-haul product on the A320s.

Besides shorter flights to CAI, TLV and DME get full service on wide bodies.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 162, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 161):
There isn't any 767 capacity at the moment unless they shuffle the timetable around and upgrade some routes 777s. I heard very early on that BA would not operate any mid-haul product on the A320s.

Besides shorter flights to CAI, TLV and DME get full service on wide bodies.

Isn't Moscow supposed to go all 744s? That'd free up some 767s.



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User currently offlinejetset7e7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 163, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12878 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 150):
Interestingly, G-DBCB appears to still have the red BMI flashes on its wingtip fences.

Standard BA A32X wingtip fence has the lower part red

Mark



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 164, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12912 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 159):

There isn't any 767 capacity at the moment unless they shuffle the timetable around and upgrade some routes 777s. I heard very early on that BA would not operate any mid-haul product on the A320s.

BA is refurbishing 7 of the 14 767s. They could refurbish some of the shorthaul ones and use them to BEY, FNA, ALA, etc.. while ex BD A321s can be transformed into shorthaul and used instead of the 767s to FRA, BCN or ARN.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 165, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12835 times:

Quoting something (Reply 160):
Isn't Moscow supposed to go all 744s? That'd free up some 767s.

Since 25 March BA have operated two daily long haul 763 flights (BA235 and BA237) and a daily "Hi J" 744 flight (BA233) to DME. Before that date they operated two short haul 763 flights (BA873 and BA875) and a 320 flight (BA881) on that route.

So the new timetable actually freed up short haul 763s and required BA to find two long haul 763s to operate this service where the 763 flight time in each direction is about 4 hours.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12770 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 162):
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 162):
BA is refurbishing 7 of the 14 767s. They could refurbish some of the shorthaul ones and use them to BEY, FNA, ALA, etc.. while ex BD A321s can be transformed into shorthaul and used instead of the 767s to FRA, BCN or ARN.

The 767s are also needed for cargo so its not as simple as that. They could always buy back some of the QF ex-BA short haul 767s but that's unlikely to happen.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 167, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12576 times:

Quoting something (Reply 162):
Isn't Moscow supposed to go all 744s?

No


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 168, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12242 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 164):
They could always buy back some of the QF ex-BA short haul 767s but that's unlikely to happen.

As you said, unlikely. QF don't actually own them, but rather a consortium of Australian banks (NAB and ANZ IIRC). Also - however much QF hate those planes guts - they need them at least until the 787s start coming in next August.



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 169, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

The sale of bmi regional completed today.

Quote:
RNS Number : 6106E
International Cons Airlines Group
01 June 2012

BMI REGIONAL SALE COMPLETED

The deal between International Airlines Group and Sector Aviation Holdings Ltd to sell bmi Regional has been completed
today.

ends



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 170, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 166):
Also - however much QF hate those planes guts

Why does QF not like the 767s? Where do they operate them from?



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 171, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 168):

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 166):
Also - however much QF hate those planes guts

Why does QF not like the 767s? Where do they operate them from?


The ex-BA machines are non-standard compared to the rest of QFs fleet. I think they are domestic only.


User currently offlinepacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 172, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11956 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 155):

It may not be publically announced but the midhaul cabins are being removed from all the airbus aircraft.

I have just met up in London with a friend who is shorthaul cabin crew for BA and yesterday he was telling me exactly the same...

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 156):
While there is a proposed change coming, from what I've heard it won't involve a removal of midhaul cabins on the airbus fleet.

My friend mentioned they received a memo from BA and the plan is to convert the ex-BMI to a shorthaul layout, similar to the BA A319/320/321 and he was telling me the shorthaul crew are all wondering which aircraft and crew will operate the Middle Eastern and those former Soviet republics routes.
As it happens, he had operated on an ex-BMI A319 to NCE the previous day and he feels crew are going to hate those aircraft as they have very small galleys, less toilets and more seats than the BA ones.
Shame my friend is not on Anet to give you more info...


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 173, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 168):
Why does QF not like the 767s?

Practically everything about them is different to QF's own 767s. The engines, exit layout, galleys, you name it - it's different. They're therefore a real pain from an operational standpoint. They were initially only a short-term lease, but then after AN they extended the leases to cover an upsurge in demand and then simply never got rid of them.

That said as soon as JQ receive their 787s (starting August 2013) the JQ 330s will be moving to mainline to replace the 767s. The 7 -336s will be the first to go.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 169):
I think they are domestic only.

  

In the past they have occasionally operated Trans-Tasman and NOU (and apparently once to NRT) but now are 100% domestic.



Apologies for going off topic



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 745 posts, RR: 9
Reply 174, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11894 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 130):

Re the BA configured cabin....

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 146):