lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9956 times:
Easy! Oneworld. Its not been included in any of the JVs that its other star carriers are in so is kind of the left out kid at the side of the ball park.
Im pretty sure US would like what Oneworld offers? AA has the JBA with IB and AA on the TA routes, and has links with QF and JL for TP routes. All good things that US would come straight into should it be a America West / US kinda situation.
CapEd388 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9760 times:
I think the combined carrier would go on to OW. AA is an anchor over at OW, they are one of the founding members and one of the leaders of that alliance. AA has strong ties to BA, IB and JL. Compare that to US at *A, they have always played second fiddle to UA. I feel that they are not really appreciated over at *A.
So the question becomes: Do they choose the alliance where they are a founding member and a strong leader or do they go over to the alliance where you are the underdog and considered the "smaller american carrier" (compared to UA)?
Also, being that Horton is the Chairman of OW, that might be another factor as to why they would choose OW.
I think things would be more balanced if the combined carrier went to OW. Sky would have Delta, OW would have the new American and Star would have United. Fair enough.
CapEd388 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9548 times:
I think we might see a repetition UA/CO. As we saw, early on CO left Sky and jumped over to Star to be closer with UA, to make the transition smoother when they merged. We might see this again, with these two. US will probably leave Star and jump over to OW to get closer to AA that way when they merge the transition is smoother.
The UA/CO merger was a great example of choosing an alliance.
You had CO who was playing second fiddle to DL over at Sky. I even remember reading about how CO was having problems with Sky and some of the members. They did'nt seem to happy over at Sky and I bet they couldn't wait to leave. Then you had UA, who was a founding member and a strong leader over at Star. Which alliance did they choose? Star. It made more sense, since UA was already a strong, established and respected member of Star.
The AA/US deal is very similar. US is the the similar spot that CO was in and AA is in a similar position that UA was in.
On a side note: I read that some aviation experts are saying that a merger announcement could come as early as this coming Friday. I guess we'll see what happens....
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9467 times:
Here's the irony. AA and US were doing some cooperation back in the late 1990s, mostly with frequent-flyer programs. US and AA members could use miles to get free tickets on both airlines. Thus, an AA member in Chicago could fly to Myrtle Beach on US, changing planes at Charlotte. A US member at PIT could fly to NRT on AA, changing planes at ORD.
Even though US was never a member of oneworld, I think you could cash in US miles to fly on AA, and connect to AA codeshare flights for other carriers (CP, QF, BA, etc).
The proposed UA-US merger ended the arrangement, since US started codesharing with UA after the merger was nixed by regulators.
And frankly, if you were a member carrier of Star, would you want the combined AA-US carrier in your alliance?
chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6362 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8686 times:
The merged company would go to 1W. If AA left 1W it would be catastrophic to the alliance and honestly why would UAL want ths giant in the same alliance as them.AA and BA are BFF, BA is not about to let AA go anywere.
vhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8627 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4): I don't know, I don't think OW really likes AA that much.
If DP is running, you gotta admit there's a fair chance it will stay with *A
Really, how can you come out with such unsubstantiated nonsense? What possible evidence do you have to make such an outrageous claim? AA is one of the founding members of oneworld, and contributes greatly to the alliance.
Surely, it is AA's strong links with and the ATI/JV arrangements with its various alliance partners that make AA so attractive to US (along with the cheap price while in BK).
bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
Quoting Drmlnr1 (Thread starter): With the news this week that US wants to make a bid to buy AA out, I was wondering which alliance would the combined carrier be a member of. I'm thinking 1W will be the winner. What are your thoughts?
I think that while technically that US would be buying AA, everything AA will be the surviving carrier with the exception of the top mgmt. They will be kicked to the curb and deservedly so.
Will all survive. US will go away and Dougie will meet his life long dream running AA. Only part of US that might survive is past multiple DUIs wont disqualify you from a position at AA, unlike now.
blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8378 times:
Quoting chepos (Reply 20): The merged company would go to 1W. If AA left 1W it would be catastrophic to the alliance and honestly why would UAL want ths giant in the same alliance as them.AA and BA are BFF, BA is not about to let AA go anywere.
Or for that matter, if you were AA, why would you want to be in the same alliance as UA? Take all of the feed you get from alliance partners, and then chop it in half. Sounds like a lose-lose proposition. There are a lot of complex decisions and choices in an AA/US merger, but alliance choice ain't one of them.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7993 times:
Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 12): The AA/US deal is very similar. US is the the similar spot that CO was in and AA is in a similar position that UA was in.
Good comparison...US has been marginalized at Star with the merger of CO/UA... they may probably go to One World whether or not they merge with AA...if they do merge it is inevitable... as it has been pointed out even Parker has said as much, although its not on paper, so things can definitely change...
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 4567 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7881 times:
While the prospect of having a balanced system with one US airline in each alliance is in the best interest of each alliance, I don't see how it's impossible for two airlines to be on the same alliance.
For starters, AA/US and UA can cooperate to counter DL and the new WN. Second, why do we cry foul when the idea of two US airlines in one alliance comes up, but not when two Chinese carriers (of relatively equal size) are on the same one as well? Third, though AA is a founding member of oneworld, you guys should remember what happened when AC acquired CP, and both were founding members of their respective alliances. There's no evidence to suggest that Doug Parker will opt to stay in *A or move to OW, but to flat out reject one or the other is simply speculation. Besides, since AA will be the acquired entity I don't think they are the one to dictate US's actions, even more so when all three unions support a US takeover. Another thing, members here say that the partnership between AA and BA is too important...what about US/LH? Why should one be more important than the other?
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
: Might US go to OW as a precursor to a merger, rather than after one?
: BA/AA have antitrust immunity. US was not invited to the UA/LH/AC/CO/BD/SN antitrust party.
: We don't cry foul, but the DOJ does... But US isn't a founding member of *A, they didn't join until 2004, *A was formed in 1997. Like stated earlier,
: Oneworld is the only choice. Name will be AA. HQ will be DFW. And, yes, ORD will survive (this forum thinks ORD has the O&D and connection traffic
: Hey! Im from McAllen, I take offense to that.....lmao jk, I know what you mean. Why do you think people in this forum hate ORD?
: I don't think anyone here hates ORD. I do think that many have the impression that AA is and has been losing the battle at ORD to UA and some of those
: Are you guys 100% positive that the DoJ approves who joins what alliance? I know they have to approve code shares and JVs with foreign carriers, but I
: Isn't an airline alliance basically a larger, more comprehensive code share?
: Way before the CO/UA merger was ever consummated, dozens of a.netters had tried their hand at photo-shopped, proposed post-merger liveries. I'm surpri
: Sorry to post to an older thread, today's Wall Street Journal has an article which talks about US' management presentation to its union regarding the
: Has there been any recent news on this subject? Things seemed to really slow down after a week or so of flurried activity.
: I stated in several other threads that I wouldn't take the US/AA merger rumors seriously until US left Star for OneWorld. I didn't count on Mr. Parke
: Maybe not on Anet but I have seen plenty of proposed livery renditions on different sites. I know USAPA and APA (AA) met in CLT to discuss integratio
: The DOJ can deny alliance membership if it creates excessive dominance in a particular region. Which is why you would never see AA(ATI with BA) join
: What possible info do you have, that would result in that statement? AA and BA are OW not just members
: If USAirways buys AA or if AMR Management agrees to a USAirways merger; I should say...oneworld will most likely be their alliance of choice. AA is a
: Just FYI, they'd be bigger than UA after a US/AA merger, so they wouldn't be the "underdog" or "second fiddle"