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AA/US Frequent Flyer Program Post-Merger?  
User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

If AA and US merge, what changes are likely in the combined F/F program?

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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2981 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

AAdvantage. No doubt about it.


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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 1):
AAdvantage. No doubt about it.

I agree, but are there differences between the two programs that need to be worked out? I know that when UA and CO merged, UA had more generous upgrades for lower tier elites. I think that has been harmonized with CO rules for lower tier members.

Are there any significant differences between the AA and US F/F programs that would cause one of the carriers passengers to see a significant change after a merger?


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 2):
Are there any significant differences between the AA and US F/F programs that would cause one of the carriers passengers to see a significant change after a merger?

The biggest is complimentary upgrades for mid to low level elites. Those would disappear under AAdvantage, unless Dougie decided to fuse that element of Dividend miles into AAdvantage.

I suspect that they will take the easy route and just convert all D-M members over to the AA FFP.

Other than the upgrades, AAdvantage will stay the same, at least initially. Pissing off so many loyal customers won't be good for the airline.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

If they are smart they will save the upgrade element of Dividend Miles. Given the larger number of elites the lower levels won't get the upgrades, but will still think it might happen and possibly preserve loyalty. Especially if within a tier the fare and time of check in are used to prioritize upgrades.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 4):
If they are smart they will save the upgrade element of Dividend Miles. Given the larger number of elites the lower levels won't get the upgrades, but will still think it might happen and possibly preserve loyalty. Especially if within a tier the fare and time of check in are used to prioritize upgrades.

I wouldn't necessarily say the AA elites will get all the upgrades. The new airline after all will be bigger with more routes and planes than the current AA so the upgrades will be more spread out.


User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 486 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

I would simply expect a merged AA to reflect similar benefits with their FF program to what exists with the UA and DL programs.


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User currently offlinebcworld From Australia, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days ago) and read 2628 times:

Dividend Miles is effectively a discount shop for Star Alliance premium inventory selling vast amounts of heavily discounted miles to people who never even set foot in the US let alone onboard a US aircraft! I'd expect that to stop or moderate.

AA prices awards as one-ways.

US prices awards as returns - one-ways cost the same as a return - I'd expect the AA way of thinking on that to prevail which would be a nice enhancement for Dividend Miles members.


User currently offlineConcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

All I can say is that if dividend miles is the surviving program with its awful redemption opportunities I will stop flying AA and cancel their card and exclusively keep my UA card + fly UA. I choose to fly AA even if for a premium as I find their rewards the easiest to use for the trips I fly. 125K international first class round trip US-Japan is available 100% of the time this summer on AA. Hope this does not change.

[Edited 2012-04-22 20:45:34]

User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):

I'm not saying the AA folks will get all of the upgrades, just the combined number of higher elites will reduce the chances of upgrades for lower tier members. I am DM Gold with US and get upgrades most of the time (though I never plan for or expect them). When I was Silver I got them about 50% of the time. I would imagine if this were preserved in a new version of AAdvantage then the Silver members would not get upgrades on the major routes, but occasionally on the regionals with an F cabin or some other flights. It would be just enough to keep people loyal. While I don't know the numbers, I am quite sure someone has figured out just what % of upgrades is needed to keep a customer loyal.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Would Doug Parker decide that you need to fly 25K every year to remain AAdvantage Gold, or would people with lifetime gold status (fly a total of 1 million miles) get to keep their status?

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

A major difference is system wide upgrades for top tiers, US only gives 2, AA gives 8, i hope AAdvantage wins

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