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LH 7478i Delivery Postponed.  
User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 58768 times:
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From kpae.blogspot.com

"The delivery ceremony for Lufthansa 747-8i D-ABYA, scheduled for April 23, has been canceled until further notice. "

Anyone with more details?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 58585 times:
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This thread - LH In More Trouble (by LH506 Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) - notes that LH is encountering business difficulties and will be ending some routes and not adding new planes until 2014.

That being said, it's a bit late in the game to decide they can't afford (figuratively) them.


User currently offlineodwyerpw From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 57677 times:

Man 747-8 and its delivery ceremonies....just cant catch a break..


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 57583 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
This thread - LH In More Trouble (by LH506 Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) - notes that LH is encountering business difficulties and will be ending some routes and not adding new planes until 2014.

It doesn't say that they won't add new planes until 2014, it says they won't grow their fleet until then. That doesn't seem to preclude taking delivery of aircraft to replace those being retired.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 869 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 57341 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Thread starter):
Anyone with more details?

The actual delivery, and not just the ceremony, was also due for the 23rd. Maybe it wasn't quite going to be ready.


User currently offlineflyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 57312 times:

There must be an explanation to this. Maybe it is just postponed till LH management decide on what exactly they are going to do.
The worst case scenario... LH might want to park them for a while till they can replace the older aircraft instead of adding capacity? How many of the LH 748is are already built?

Surely if LH wanted to defer deliveries they would have communicated to the manufacturer already.


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 57076 times:

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 5):
There must be an explanation to this. Maybe it is just postponed till LH management decide on what exactly they are going to do.

Impossible. You can not just cancel/postpone a delivery of a $300M plane 2 days before it is supposed to happen because you changed your mind or you might change long term plans. Simple things like contracts make that impossible.

There is probably some haggling at the background over paperwork or non-conforming items on a delivery check list. Actually there was a hint this could happen because no major ceremony which you was expect for the first 747-8i was ever scheduled.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 57006 times:

I don't follow the 748 programme terribly closely but wasn't there a technical issue that Lufthansa wasn't happy with? Something to do with the vertical stabiliser?

If so, that's most likely why the delivery has been postponed.

LH isn't going to decide they can't afford the plane and/or don't want with less than a week to go.   


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 55663 times:
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I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

My manuals all get a serious update in the next couple of days because of the 748i.

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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8996 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 55325 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
You can not just cancel/postpone a delivery of a $300M plane 2 days before it is supposed to happen because you changed your mind or you might change long term plans. Simple things like contracts make that impossible.

Cargolux did similar with their 747-8Fs Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday (by QANTAS747-438 Sep 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 55181 times:

I always had a sneaking suspicion that they were intended for LHR post BD and its slots.


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 54833 times:
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 10):
I always had a sneaking suspicion that they were intended for LHR post BD and its slots.

Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.



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User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 54624 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
Cargolux did similar with their 747-8Fs Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday (by QANTAS747-438 Sep 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)

That was also a clause in the contract not being met. The only minor point was the Cargolux accepted the deviation but their new investor Al Baker did not. If all points in the contract had been met, Cargolux would have taken delivery on the scheduled date regardless of Al Baker. Same for LH.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 54176 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.


What ? LOL

No scheme regarding some way for an envious rival to shoe horn BA out of LHR would surprise 'me' !

It is a 'constant' in the airline industry.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 52238 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.

I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 52080 times:
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

OK, I'll take the bait. What routes do you think they could've ( not 'could of'   ) used them on out of LHR?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 52026 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

But the airplane is already painted in LH livery. Maybe LH could transfer some other types to BD?


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 51926 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
OK, I'll take the bait. What routes do you think they could've ( not 'could of' ) used them on out of LHR?

Andrew I'm just saying that when the order was placed the landscape lay a little differently. Remember that unlike VS they would have had the full force of the Star Alliance behind them supplying feed etc

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
But the airplane is already painted in LH livery. Maybe LH could transfer some other types to BD?

Well it's a bit late now and anyway it wouldn't work now....the economic crisis etc

[Edited 2012-04-22 02:57:03]

[Edited 2012-04-22 02:57:23]

[Edited 2012-04-22 02:57:46]


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 51816 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):

Actually I could just be talking rubbish...I havn't really thought it through but I would not have been surprised.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 51820 times:

Think quite a few here mixes up the words postponed/delayed and cancelled........

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 51447 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

You mean like these:

http://file1.npage.de/002168/32/bilder/file0010.jpg

But on the other hand maybe these planes will go to Swiss instead  WinkSwiss To Replace A340 With Larger Jet (by columba Apr 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2012-04-22 03:19:45]

[Edited 2012-04-22 03:22:16]


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User currently offlineflyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 51384 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

This could be a plausible explanation. If anything some last minute technical glitch can always postpone the delivery of any new airframe. Only hitch ....this being the first frame of its kind has a a lot of publicity attached to it.

However..waiting for an official explanation from LH or Boeing ..till then we all can all speculate and let our imaginations run wild   


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 50875 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):

Actually I could just be talking rubbish..



No kidding. Not everything in the world is a conspiracy against BA.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 50590 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 7):
I don't follow the 748 programme terribly closely but wasn't there a technical issue that Lufthansa wasn't happy with? Something to do with the vertical stabiliser?
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees and that they looked forward to delivery They also noted that the tail tank issue was a non-issue for them as none of the first round of destinations required the tank.

Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 49952 times:

I would think that the aircraft failed at the acceptance test. The inspectors of LH are famous for their findings of faults on new aircraft.

Report about the acceptance of a 747-400. (Sorry only in German)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGe-y3TOIs

[Edited 2012-04-22 04:28:32]


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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7116 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 51906 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 24):
I would think that the aircraft failed at the acceptance test. The inspectors of LH are famous for their findings of faults on new aircraft.

Guess Boing should have scheduled their test flight for a couple weeks before delivery to allow LH inspectors time to review the data so that they did not have to schedule a delivery ceremony then cancel the day before due to failures.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 869 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 51803 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?

April 13, with another customer flight the following day: BOE022 on Flightaware


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 54670 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?

The first to be delivered Lufthansa 747-8 intercontinental - RC022/D-ABYA - made it's first customer (C1) test flight at Friday the 13th .......................

See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/04/paine-field-april-13.html

Perhaps the following issue may have delayed the delivery date :

See reply 143 of A-net member "na" in Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8 (by SA7700 Jan 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 869 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 53632 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 25):
Guess Boing should have scheduled their test flight for a couple weeks before delivery

You clearly have no idea what was scheduled and carried out before the scheduling of this delivery.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 47849 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 22):
No kidding. Not everything in the world is a conspiracy against BA.

Who said anything about conspiring ?

Just business.

If I acquired an airline with 10% of slots at an airport like Heathrow I'd consider my options as I'm sure LH (and the further Star Alliance) did.

If Europe were not in the economic pit that it is and LH not as stretched as it is the outcome with BD may have been different.



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 47616 times:

Couldn't they just take delivery of the plane just for show then roll it into the hanger till the problems are sorted out?

This doesn't look good for Boeing or their 'new' baby.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3473 posts, RR: 27
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 47679 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 27):
I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.

A major problem when installing too soon.. could be the cause however shouldn't the 2nd a/ps interiors be available?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 47102 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 27):
I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.

That sounds reasonable. Perhaps the installation of the new interior is taking longer than planned. I am guessing this is the custom First Class cabinetry?



Quoting kanban (Reply 31):
A major problem when installing too soon.. could be the cause however shouldn't the 2nd a/ps interiors be available?

If this is the cabinetry for First Class, it might already be installed on the other planes and not available for Ship #1.

Quoting babybus (Reply 30):
Couldn't they just take delivery of the plane just for show then roll it into the hanger till the problems are sorted out?

Taking delivery may very well weaken your legal position in terms of claims, so as with Cargolux, better to wait until the plane is to your specification.


Quoting babybus (Reply 30):
This doesn't look good for Boeing or their 'new' baby.

And as with Cargolux, it will fade soon enough from memory of all...

...well, all but a.net.  


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8996 posts, RR: 75
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 43956 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):

All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees

I had not heard that, and did a google without being able to find those comments.



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User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 44067 times:

What I find interesting about the Spiegel article is the exact wording:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,828858,00.html

Several times, the article explicitly states that LH has decided not to operate any additional planes before 2014. Maybe a possible hint that they plan to lease out those new planes instead? This would also explain the cancelled delivery ceremony.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 44097 times:
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Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 34):
Several times, the article explicitly states that LH has decided not to operate any additional planes before 2014. Maybe a possible hint that they plan to lease out those new planes instead? This would also explain the cancelled delivery ceremony.

Well, 2 744's have left the fleet already, #3 to follow within the next 3 weeks. So if we get 3 more 748i's in 2012, then the fleet number would be the same. 27 744's and 3 748i's, total 30 747s.
More seats would be offered though. But only more Y class seats as C class would be the same.

I didn't get any news about the delay as well. As usual, pilots get the info last   

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 43563 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 35):
Well, 2 744's have left the fleet already, #3 to follow within the next 3 weeks

Which bird is the next to leave?



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 43862 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Which bird is the next to leave?

D-ABVA, D-ABVB are gone and D-ABTA is next.

And we are all looking forward to D-ABYA to finally arrive in FRA and start her duty...   

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 43365 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 37):
D-ABTA is next.

She will be close to 23 years when leaving!

I guess that D-ABTB is next in line after -TA.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 42115 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 38):
She will be close to 23 years when leaving!

As much as I admire everything about the 748i i'm just not sure of the wisdom in replacing a 744 with one.

Not for big legacy carriers anyway with the aircraft that are available today.

I think it is a case of either/or for the A380 and 748i.

Surely A380's for the 'big' routes complemented by 777's, 787's or the newer Airbus wide-body twins for the other routes.

Any route with the scope for LH to send a 748i they could just as profitably send an A380. No doubt more so.

748i's AND 380's.....I dunno...just doesn't sit right with me.



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User currently offlineFlyingCello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 39986 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 39):
Any route with the scope for LH to send a 748i they could just as profitably send an A380. No doubt more so.

Not so sure about that...looking at OEWs of ~220t v 277t? That's a lot of extra airplane to haul around if you don't have the people to fill it...and with oil prices only going one way, if you can 'right size' an aircraft to a route, then there may well be a market for that aircraft.

I think the 748i and A380 can co-exist in a fleet...what is more of a question is whether the 773ER and 748i can? I think they probably can, but the equation might become more difficult with the 779X...


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 37929 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees and that they looked forward to delivery

   PR is taking delivery of a 748i??? I knew Boeing's executives were up to something when they visited SMC's headquarters.     



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User currently offlinekiffy From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 36435 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Thread starter):

"The delivery ceremony for Lufthansa 747-8i D-ABYA, scheduled for April 23, has been canceled until further notice. "

Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?
  


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 35048 times:

Does any one have any solid info? Is the B-747-830 delivery officially cancelled, or not? It is beginning to sound more like a rumor than a confirmed story.

User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 34739 times:

Quoting kiffy (Reply 42):
Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?
  

It's sunny and 70˚ here right now... supposed to be partly cloudy and 75˚ tomorrow. So, no.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 34831 times:
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Quoting SEA (Reply 44):
It's sunny and 70˚ here right now... supposed to be partly cloudy and 75˚ tomorrow.

No one would believe the press photos were taken in Seattle. They're obviously waiting for a typical Seattle day.     

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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 32739 times:

Quoting kiffy (Reply 42):

Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?

For once, the weather's nice. For the first 747-8i delivery ceremony (not Cargolux) it was definitely anything but).

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

My manuals all get a serious update in the next couple of days because of the 748i.

Here's a question I have, and you may not know the answer but I couldn't think of anybody I could ask - LH used an A343 on 590/591 (FRA-SEA & return) both days this weekend, and I see that it is back to the usual A333 for tomorrow. I was lucky enough to photograph this sub today taking off (no guarantee it will get into the DB, but I'll certainly try).

Is this due to staff arriving for the delivery/launch here?


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 31162 times:

It's odd that both Boeing and Lufthansa never made any formal announcement about a delivery date. FlightGlobal were suggesting Monday or Tuesday might be the day, acknowledging it is a mystery. Matt Cawby responded on his site to someone who asked the obvious question by saying he did not know why but that Boeing techs were working on the aircraft on Saturday. The Boeing twitter feed is only focusing on the 787 BOS service inaugural.


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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 29680 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 46):
For the first 747-8i delivery ceremony (not Cargolux) it was definitely anything but.

Forgive me, I meant to say 748F ceremony above. The weather was definitely not cooperative that day.

[Edited 2012-04-22 20:19:05]

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29205 times:
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Quoting Cargolex (Reply 46):
Here's a question I have, and you may not know the answer but I couldn't think of anybody I could ask - LH used an A343 on 590/591 (FRA-SEA & return) both days this weekend, and I see that it is back to the usual A333 for tomorrow. I was lucky enough to photograph this sub today taking off (no guarantee it will get into the DB, but I'll certainly try).

Is this due to staff arriving for the delivery/launch here?

It is LH490/ 491   But the 340 is used every once in a while. The crew is in Seattle already a little longer, I think a total of almost 14 days to do all the acceptance flights and tests etc etc. So nothing to do with that. And the 340 has basically the same seats as the 330, so no difference at all.

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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28465 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
OK, I'll take the bait. What routes do you think they could've ( not 'could of' ) used them on out of LHR?

Gatwick, Luton, Stansted and maybe even LCY to help ahainst the eternal congestion of all the London highways.

Quoting babybus (Reply 30):
Couldn't they just take delivery of the plane just for show then roll it into the hanger till the problems are sorted out?

The day you take delivery is the day you have to pay. And if there are issues that need to be fixed better don't pay before they are fixed. I expect this a matter of days, a few things to be done and tested again and then I hope for clear sky with east wind and an arrival over day and I can welcome her from my office window...


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 27653 times:

On aero.de someone stated that the first B 748i will arrive in FRA on April 26th.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 27984 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 51):
On aero.de someone stated that the first B 748i will arrive in FRA on April 26th.

I hope that is true, three days more to fix something minor is nothing unusual. If you want to make a huge PR event, you have to schedule to be ready with a lot of spare time...


User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 587 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24728 times:

Matt Cawby is reporting on Twitter (Paine Airport) that technicians are working on Lufthansa 747-8i D-ABYA on the flightline today. Strange to say this, but it could be a "good" sign....

Request: For the sake of those who want to follow the original topic, could we avoid the B747 vs. A380 airport compatibility discussion?

[Edited 2012-04-23 11:54:19]


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User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22868 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 56):
Request: For the sake of those who want to follow the original topic, could we avoid the B747 vs. A380 airport compatibility discussion?

   Thanks ... please no more A380 vs 747-8i discussions !

Apparent rumor is that small things are being worked on but there are a lot of small things to work on.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21501 posts, RR: 60
Reply 55, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22028 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 62):
If LH have not sent the delivery crew home to FRA, which appears to be the case per wilco737's latest post, I expect that means LH intends to take delivery sometime this week.

See, what happened is, the weather in Seattle was so nice, and so unexpected, that the delivery crew doesn't want to leave. So they colluded with Boeing to fix some minor "issues" that LH could have easily fixed in FRA, just so they could hang out for a few days and drink.

It'll start raining tomorrow and everything will be magically fixed by then...



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 21054 times:

Also too rainy here for a welcome, end of the week summer weather is expected....

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 57, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20899 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 52):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 51):
On aero.de someone stated that the first B 748i will arrive in FRA on April 26th.

I hope that is true, three days more to fix something minor is nothing unusual. If you want to make a huge PR event, you have to schedule to be ready with a lot of spare time...

That mysterious source on aero.de is now saying April 28th, saturday.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 58, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 20662 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 27):
Perhaps the following issue may have delayed the delivery date : See reply 143 of A-net member "na" in Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8 (by SA7700 Jan 12 2012 in Civil Aviation) I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.

Both flight line photos of D-ABYA, with all the main cabin doors open (except the over-wing and upper deck escape doors) plus a lot of stairs (7 can be counted on both pictures), are indeed pointing towards some late minute cabin issues, to be rectified before delivery.
See Matt Cawby's April 23 KPAE blog :
http://paineairport.com/kpae4904.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae4907.htm

[Edited 2012-04-24 02:27:05]


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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 59, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18625 times:

I've just heard from someone fairly close to the programme that the 747-8 delivery isn't happening before 1 May, at least.

User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18260 times:
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There is a YouTube video (in German only) showing the acceptance and handover of a B744. The Lufthansa inspectors are so strict that it's no wonder the handover was cancelled and more re-work required. The video went on to say that other airlines will hire the LH inspectors. LH inspection starts even before body join!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGe-y3TOIs

Enjoy!


User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17884 times:

@petra380:

I watched the entire video last night. I love it. And I love Germans.

I cannot believe that Boeing would be unprepared for such treatment in 2012 given what happened nearly two decades ago!

Perhaps Boeing needs to hire someone (or a team) that can prep them for the "German" inspection. I certainly offer my services for hire should they need them!


User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 62, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17521 times:

Well, it's probably been at least two decades since LH has been in Seattle for new delivery inspections. Guess Boeing forgot what to expect!

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25115 posts, RR: 22
Reply 63, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17287 times:

Quoting wingman (Reply 62):
Well, it's probably been at least two decades since LH has been in Seattle for new delivery inspections.

Just over one decade. LH's last Boeing aircraft (their last 744) was delivered March 15, 2002.


User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16767 times:

I agree that if the LH inspectors in fact did not like what they see, then make the manufacturer fix it. Better to have the builder focused on fixing what you need before they have your money and you have the keys... keeps them motivated!

Hope it gets resolved soon; looking forward to having the 748i in service with LH.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 65, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15894 times:
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New delivery date is set to May 1st, arrival in FRA on 2nd.

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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15822 times:

Can you keep us updated when it is expected, so that we can keep our eyes open and train ourself to spot it?

User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15854 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 65):
New delivery date is set to May 1st, arrival in FRA on 2nd.

Yay!!! Let's hope that this date sticks...I'm hoping that LH eventually sends her to SFO in the winter   



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 68, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15897 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 66):
Can you keep us updated when it is expected, so that we can keep our eyes open and train ourself to spot it?

Don't have a time yet.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 67):
I'm hoping that LH eventually sends her to SFO in the winter

First destination is IAD, then 2 others (not announced yet) and #4 and #5 will be ORD and LAX.

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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15758 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 68):
First destination is IAD, then 2 others (not announced yet) and #4 and #5 will be ORD and LAX.

I had actually caught that    I meant in a few years as more of them come online...although I'm sure I'll be able to see one from LAX 



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 70, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15632 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 68):
First destination is IAD, then 2 others (not announced yet) and #4 and #5 will be ORD and LAX.

Interesting - so there's hope yet for a India destination this year !



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 71, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15703 times:
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Quoting Nimish (Reply 70):
Interesting - so there's hope yet for a India destination this year !

Hope is a good thing, so you never know. It is not official, so i cannot say anything again, sorry.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 72, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14909 times:
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I'm happy to hear the delay is 'bracketed.'

Quoting Nimish (Reply 70):
Interesting - so there's hope yet for a India destination this year 

IMHO, LH's seating count is to fit within the Germany/India bilateral. The 748i would grant LH the lowest premium CASM to India. If they are going to protect AI, LH might as well take advantage of what they can. Due to the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, India cannot afford a reversion to the prior bilateral despite the noise made.

Note: The same is true with the Dubai bilateral! That is one India has a right to revert with 30 days notice, last I looked. Sure India could cut off EK at the knees, but far more jobs would be lost as Dubai has been their enabler for chemical and pharmaceutical sales in the mid-east as well as Africa. While AI might have been hurt by the bilaterals, India overall benefited.

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User currently offlinepygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 966 posts, RR: 38
Reply 73, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14056 times:

Actually the delivery was today with a delivery ceremony May 1st in Everett and another in Frankfurt on May 2nd.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2232


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21501 posts, RR: 60
Reply 74, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13737 times:

Seems as if Boeing negotiated w LH to deliver and then finish fixing the damaged interior fittings. May have been a contractual reason LH couldn't reject the plane even if Boeing is on the hook for the repairs.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 75, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13740 times:

Quoting pygmalion (Reply 73):
Actually the delivery was today

Wishing the the first 747-8 Intercontinental a happy delivery party and flight to Frankfurt.

After the Lufthansa/Singapore A380s and ANA 787 Dreamliner the 748i will be the new star at Frankfurt airport.

        



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13696 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 74):
Seems as if Boeing negotiated w LH to deliver and then finish fixing the damaged interior fittings. May have been a contractual reason LH couldn't reject the plane even if Boeing is on the hook for the repairs.


Well replacing some dented cabinets is something that can easily done compared to removing a few tons of extra weight or addressing an SFC shortfall.  Smile

[Edited 2012-04-25 11:41:23]

User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13681 times:

LH just took delivery of D-ABYA http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...CFGFG%7Ctwitterfeed%7CFlightglobal

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13507 times:

Article quote:
The airframer in February delivered the first 747-8I to an unnamed VIP customer.

Any idea who this unnamed VIP customer is?

 

Congratulations to LH for being First to Fly the 747-8i

     



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13042 times:
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It was Qatar Amiri Flight as A7-HHE

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12981 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 79):
It was Qatar Amiri Flight as A7-HHE


Thank you.

The Qatar Royals own heaps of high-end property down here.

I'll have to find out from the airport if they plan to bring their brand new 748i to the Riviera.

Maybe they'll want to be the sensation at the Cannes film festival or the Monaco Grand Prix.
I am sure they will bring A7-HHE as their prized show piece some time or other.

She would make quite a sight landing at NCE!

     



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12896 times:

Wilco,

Has the name of Yankee Alpha been released yet or will we see that painted on her when she leaves for FRA?



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User currently onlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12614 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 74):
Seems as if Boeing negotiated w LH to deliver and then finish fixing the damaged interior fittings. May have been a contractual reason LH couldn't reject the plane even if Boeing is on the hook for the repairs.

I tend to think they also wanted to reschedule the full delivery festivities. LH probably agreed to take delivery today contingent on the repairs, and Boeing probably got them to agree to perhaps leave it in Everett a few extra days for the dog and pony show to be rescheduled.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12471 times:

Probably too late to change the thread title but glad the delivery isn't postponed indefinitely as originally noted

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9585 posts, RR: 52
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 82):
I tend to think they also wanted to reschedule the full delivery festivities. LH probably agreed to take delivery today contingent on the repairs, and Boeing probably got them to agree to perhaps leave it in Everett a few extra days for the dog and pony show to be rescheduled.

Actually LH can't do that. They can't agree to take deliveyr and then have contingent repairs. Once the airplane receives its operation certificate (typically one day before delivery), Boeing can no longer work on the airplane under its production certificate. The processes for repair are all covered by the repair and rework procedures developed and approved via the production certificate. Once the certificate for that specific airplane is issued, the Airplane Maintenance Manual becomes the authority to do repairs on the airplane. Any work that is done after the airplane has its certificate, is required to be done by Lufthansa mechanics or contracted to Boeing's support side using A/P mechanics.

It sounds like technicalities, but it really is not. The certificate means that the airplane meets all requirements of the Amended Type Certificate that the airplane was certified under.

There are three stages of delivery. Ticketing, Delivery, Flyaway. Today the airplane Delivered. At this point Boeing Mechanics and Pilots can't touch the airplane. It Lufthansa that has responsibility for the airplane under an operators certificate.

[Edited 2012-04-25 16:55:28]


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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12046 times:

Headline: "Boeing Delivers First 747-8, To Lufthansa," dated April 25, 2012 ???

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1335386601.html


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Reply 86, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11832 times:
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Quoting quiet1 (Reply 85):
Headline: "Boeing Delivers First 747-8, To Lufthansa," dated April 25, 2012 ???

Interesting. So not as delayed as feared. I could see two days to fix 'found faults.'

Ok. That ends this thread for me.

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11783 times:

Does anyone know if Lufthansa plans to skip the registration D-ABYB? D-ABYB was the registration of the Lufthansa 747-100 that crashed near Nairobi.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 80):
She would make quite a sight landing at NCE!

That would be a great to see, for sure.  



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11476 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 87):
Does anyone know if Lufthansa plans to skip the registration D-ABYB? D-ABYB was the registration of the Lufthansa 747-100 that crashed near Nairobi.

Yes, tail number ABYB is retired.

D-ABYC, YD, YF will be delivered by September. YE will come later.



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

so they delivered the first airline 748i and two 787's?

Good day for Boeing



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 90, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11068 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 89):
so they delivered the first airline 748i and two 787's?

Good day for Boeing

Even better :
Also the second 747-8I/BBJ for Qatar Amiri Flight was delivered at April 25, see ;
http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....47-8kb-bbj-qatar-amiri-flight.html



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

From the 747-8 flight & delivery thread:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 162):

The next Lufthansa 747-830 Intercontinental (RC023/D-ABYC) at the fuel dock after completion of post-assembly work at Everett building 40-24 and applying the LH livery in the Paint Hangar.

Original uploaded by Matt Cawby, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...1304/

So, can we see LH's second 748i being delivered soon as well?  

Glad the first one has been delivered now as well, and there will be a ceremony next week. I was afraid another Cargolux saga was on the cards, something the program really cannot use.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10634 times:

Just read on http://www.aero.de/news-14930/Boeing...rcontinental-an-Lufthansa-aus.html that LH accepted the aircraft now, transfer flight May 1st.

User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 78):
The airframer in February delivered the first 747-8I to an unnamed VIP customer.

Yes, and funnily, in a way this was already the 1st "net" 748 that has been delivered to LH - LH Technik in HAM to be exact - to be outfitted with VIP interior. LH's 748 commitment goes beyond their 20 frame order - I expect LHT to get a good deal of conversion and maintenance work for other operators.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 93):
LH's 748 commitment goes beyond their 20 frame order - I expect LHT to get a good deal of conversion and maintenance work for other operators.

Which is the reason why LH can introduce any type that fits its needs even at small numbers.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 95, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9998 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 93):
Yes, and funnily, in a way this was already the 1st "net" 748 that has been delivered to LH - LH Technik in HAM to be exact - to be outfitted with VIP interior.

AFAIK that's not entirely correct. The first delivered 747-8I/BBJ (L/N 1439/A7-HHE) is still located at Wichita, Kansas for Aeroloft installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), thereafter the VIP cabin will be installed at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 70):
Interesting - so there's hope yet for a India destination this year 
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 72):
IMHO, LH's seating count is to fit within the Germany/India bilateral. The 748i would grant LH the lowest premium CASM to India. If they are going to protect AI, LH might as well take advantage of what they can. Due to the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, India cannot afford a reversion to the prior bilateral despite the noise made.

Note: The same is true with the Dubai bilateral! That is one India has a right to revert with 30 days notice, last I looked. Sure India could cut off EK at the knees, but far more jobs would be lost as Dubai has been their enabler for chemical and pharmaceutical sales in the mid-east as well as Africa. While AI might have been hurt by the bilaterals, India overall benefited.

I still doubt DEL will be on the list of destinations by 748 this year.

That said however, lightsaber, you are correct, LH's 748 fits within the bilateral. And if they were so eager to get the A380 into DEL in vain, thanks to Indian Govt, I believe the 748's less fuel consumption, and more capacity will be a better alternative to the 744s, esp when rising airport charges at DEL are becoming a nightmare for airlines.

Maybe LH can tailor-run 2 748s between IAD-FRA-DEL, if thats possible, while providing fantastic fares between India and US...  



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 97, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9425 times:
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Airplane is accepted by Lufthansa.
Only minor paperwork has to be finished.

It will leave Seattle on May 1st to Canada and then on to FRA where it will arrive on the 2nd.
Huge roll in party is planned. I guess I'll go there...

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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 98, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

So I guess some of the Technik people are in Seattle to paint the name on May 1.  


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 99, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 97):
FRA where it will arrive on the 2nd

That coincides beautifully with LH Cargo's ""Create your Experience" tour of FRA which they organised via Facebook... as if I needed another reason to envy the people who won a ticket!   



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 90):
Even better :
Also the second 747-8I/BBJ for Qatar Amiri Flight was delivered at April 25, see ;
http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.....html

Even better...2 787s were delivered to JAL also!


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 90):
Also the second 747-8I/BBJ for Qatar Amiri Flight was delivered at April 25

I feel sorry for these Emirs, Sultans and Kings. Their 748Is aren't even completed yet and now they must agonize anew over whether they should replace those with the just announced 777X!   



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8272 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 100):
Even better...2 787s were delivered to JAL also!

Another two or just JA822J and JA825J that were delivered March 25th, 2012?


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 103, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 97):
It will leave Seattle on May 1st to Canada and then on to FRA where it will arrive on the 2nd.
Huge roll in party is planned. I guess I'll go there...

Stopping in YYZ by any chance? Wishful thinking  .


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 104, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 102):
Quoting United787 (Reply 100):Even better...2 787s were delivered to JAL also!
Another two or just JA822J and JA825J that were delivered March 25th, 2012?

Boeing delivered two B-787-8s to JL on March 25, 2012 and one B-787-8 to NH on March 29, 2012.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...ageid=m25062&RequestTimeout=100000

Boeing says they delivered a B-747-830 to LH and it will enter service in June 2012.

http://www.newairplane.com/747/lufthansa/


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Reply 105, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 80):

Quoting petera380 (Reply 79):
It was Qatar Amiri Flight as A7-HHE


Thank you.

The Qatar Royals own heaps of high-end property down here.

I'll have to find out from the airport if they plan to bring their brand new 748i to the Riviera.

Maybe they'll want to be the sensation at the Cannes film festival or the Monaco Grand Prix.
I am sure they will bring A7-HHE as their prized show piece some time or other.

She would make quite a sight landing at NCE!

     
Well I am looking forward to seeing her in NCE too !


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7823 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 97):

It will leave Seattle on May 1st to Canada and then on to FRA where it will arrive on the 2nd.
Huge roll in party is planned. I guess I'll go there...

Why the stop in Canada?

(Apologies if this is a stupid question.)


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 106):
Why the stop in Canada?

Just a guess, but maybe a combo of PR/Gate compatibility/airfield compatibility testing?

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 106):

(Apologies if this is a stupid question.)

The dumbest question is the one not asked  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19505 posts, RR: 58
Reply 108, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 97):

Name is not public, but I don't know it either.

Slightly off-topic, but Wilco, I know LH names their aircraft mainly after German locations, although I know there are a few exceptions. Do you know if they will continue that tradition?


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Reply 109, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 102):
Another two or just JA822J and JA825J that were delivered March 25th, 2012?

This was two additional 787-8 that were taken yesterday, Apr 25, by JAL. They were both flown out today , JA826J and JA827J. So JAL now has 4 787 in hand.... 

Cheers,
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[Edited 2012-04-26 16:57:29]

User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 110, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7145 times:

As these new 748s come online, will LH first retire the older 747s which weren't among the 9-10 refurbished last year? How long does it plan to keep the refurbished 744s? when did are the oldest and newest 744s enter service with LH?

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 110):
As these new 748s come online, will LH first retire the older 747s which weren't among the 9-10 refurbished last year?

I believe they've already started getting rid of a handful of the really old frames. Someone may correct me on this but I think D-ABVA and D-ABVB have been scrapped.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 112, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 111):
Someone may correct me on this but I think D-ABVA and D-ABVB have been scrapped.

They have left the fleet and are to be scrapped. I don't know whether or not this has already happened.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
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Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 103):
Stopping in YYZ by any chance? Wishful thinking

Could be. I don't know where, sorry.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 106):
Why the stop in Canada?

(Apologies if this is a stupid question.)

I guess some tax or costums stuff. But what exactly, no clue.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 108):
Slightly off-topic, but Wilco, I know LH names their aircraft mainly after German locations, although I know there are a few exceptions. Do you know if they will continue that tradition?

Well, with the 380 they discontinued that tradition. They are named: Beijing, Tokyo, Johannesburg etc. So let's wait and see what's in the row for the 748i.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 110):
As these new 748s come online, will LH first retire the older 747s which weren't among the 9-10 refurbished last year? How long does it plan to keep the refurbished 744s? when did are the oldest and newest 744s enter service with LH?

The newest 744's will be kept, no matter if they have the new cabin or not. The oldest will leave the fleet. The refurbishment is not the biggest problemand getting rid of the oldest airplanes is more important.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 111):
Someone may correct me on this but I think D-ABVA and D-ABVB have been scrapped.

Correct, these 2 are already gone. If they are scrapped already, I don't know, but they are for sure not owned by LH anymore and are in the US to be scrapped.

Next to leave is D-ABTA within the next 2-4 weeks. My most flown 744 so far   

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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 101):
I feel sorry for these Emirs, Sultans and Kings. Their 748Is aren't even completed yet and now they must agonize anew over whether they should replace those with the just announced 777X!

No. No Sheik will downgrade from a two floor quad to a one floor twin. As a second toy for small weekend trips with reduced harem maybe.

As unlikely as they end selling oil and switch to mineral water...


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6280 times:
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And you can win tickets for the 'roll- in party' on May 2nd.

https://www.facebook.com/lufthansa?sk=app_157861120895401&app_data=lang:de

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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6128 times:
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Now that LH is taking delivery of the 748, any idea when seat maps will be up on the web? With LH being pretty predictable, I can probably guess that forward of Door 3 will be First and Business with Coach aft of Door 3, as it now is on the 744, but I'm still curious as to what the layout will be.


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6062 times:
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Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 116):

The seatmap is not out yet, but if you search for the first route, you can see 74H instead of 744 as airplane type  

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...ve/2012/april/27/article/2138.html

Lufthansa announces BLR and DEL as destinations.



Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 119, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6073 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 118):
http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...ve/2012/april/27/article/2138.html

Lufthansa announces BLR and DEL as destinations.

So we have a total of 5 destinations now: IAD, BLR, DEL, LAX and ORD.

Sounds like a nice network for the new 748i.

But sad part is: flights in DEL and BLR arrive and leave at night. So not many chances to see it at daylight  

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 120, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 119):
So we have a total of 5 destinations now: IAD, BLR, DEL, LAX and ORD.

When will we see it at LAX?



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 121, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6045 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 120):
When will we see it at LAX?

Not decided yet. We need to get all 5 frames before this all can be flown. So a little patience is needed 

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 122, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 121):
We need to get all 5 frames before this all can be flown

Sorry if you already mentioned it, but when will they get them?

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 121):
So a little patience is needed

It has been a long wait!



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 123, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 122):
Sorry if you already mentioned it, but when will they get them?

First arrives next week, the next in June and then August/ September/ October as it looks like.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 122):
It has been a long wait!

The longer the better   

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 124, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 123):
First arrives next week, the next in June and then August/ September/ October as it looks like



Thanks. LAX should be online by OCT.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 123):
The longer the better



Yeah, sure  



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 125, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

I'm hoping that JFK will be a destination for the 748. Wilco??? Whatcha think?


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 126, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6049 times:
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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 125):
I'm hoping that JFK will be a destination for the 748. Wilco??? Whatcha think?

Not in 2012 as it looks like. The 5 destinations are announced for 2012 and more are not possible with 5 aircraft.

maybe in 2013, but I doubt it as the A380 will be sent back to JFK soon, so 380 and 748 to JFK would be too much.

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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 336 posts, RR: 14
Reply 127, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 119):
But sad part is: flights in DEL and BLR arrive and leave at night. So not many chances to see it at daylight  

Yeah, tell us Bangalore spotters about it.      Anyone feeling generous to sponsor a trip to Frankfurt for me?     



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 128, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 126):
Not in 2012 as it looks like. The 5 destinations are announced for 2012 and more are not possible with 5 aircraft.

maybe in 2013, but I doubt it as the A380 will be sent back to JFK soon, so 380 and 748 to JFK would be too much.

wilco737

Maybe as a replacement for one of the 744s?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 129, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

Hey, Phil, will there be any domestic flights on the 748i before it starts flying to IAD?


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 130, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6167 times:
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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 128):
Maybe as a replacement for one of the 744s?

It is possible, but from what I've been told, chances are low. One daily flight will be 380 and the other 744.

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 131, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6134 times:
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The flight to IAD is now bookable on www.lufthansa.com

First flight on June 1st!

Happy flying

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User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6085 times:

First Commercial Flight to be opetated by 74H - means 747-8i !!!

FRI 01JUN12 FRANKFURT-WASHINGTON 01/0001 01/2359 G*LH
01 FRA IAD 0950 1245 LH 416 F1 A0 J9 C9 D8 Z0 PC Y9 B9 74H


The 1 st of June 2012 !
enjoy


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Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

8F 92C 258Y

D-ABYA is currently planned to make a quick stop at YVR tomorrow Saturday 1100-1230LT. Only provisionally. I don't know if YVR airport can confirm..

LH #748 Everett-Frankfurt currently scheduled to depart Paine at 1400LT 01MAY arriving just after 0900LT 02MAY. Not too far ahead of her will be regular #491 SEA-FRA.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6086 times:
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Quoting dennys (Reply 132):
First Commercial Flight to be opetated by 74H - means 747-8i !!!

Yes, the 8th letter in the alphabet is H, hence 748 ==> 74H 
Quoting tailfin (Reply 133):
8F 92C 258Y

And not to forget the new LH business class.

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User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Nice. I just checked the dates I will be flying IAD-FRA-IAD this summer and the aircraft is listed as 74H!

User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 14
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6020 times:
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My sources give 0930 local as ETA in FRA, Flight# is LH748

[Edited 2012-04-27 05:06:03]


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User currently offlinemaxfly From Austria, joined Oct 2003, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting tailfin (Reply 133):

my seat count (on KVS) is 8F/86C/262Y for a total of 356 seats (32 Biz in the upper- and 54 on the main deck)... unless I've lost count of course... 


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Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5735 times:
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Quoting maxfly (Reply 137):
my seat count (on KVS) is 8F/86C/262Y for a total of 356 seats (32 Biz in the upper- and 54 on the main deck)... unless I've lost count of course...

Various LH systems show it as F8C92M258.

[Edited 2012-04-27 06:24:59]


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5703 times:
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Quoting lh526 (Reply 138):
Various LH systems show it as F8C92M258.

That's what I have as well. Don't know if there will be different configurations in the future.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5530 times:
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Quoting tailfin (Reply 133):
8F 92C 258Y

So a smaller F and Y cabin than the 747-400, but a larger C. The end result meaning almost the same capacity.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Quoting tailfin (Reply 133):
8F 92C 258Y

Wow, that is one premium heavy configuration and a very smart idea to configure the 748i with essentially the same number of premium seats as the A380 in order to allow them to be swaped based on seasonality which affects primarily the cheap seats.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 68):
First destination is IAD, then 2 others (not announced yet) and #4 and #5 will be ORD and LAX.

Here you go, the #2 and #3 destinations that LH has planned so far in this recent development, DEL and BLR.

Lufthansa upgrades Delhi and Bangalore service to Boeing 747-8i this year



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2093 posts, RR: 4
Reply 143, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 142):
Here you go, the #2 and #3 destinations that LH has planned so far in this recent development, DEL and BLR.

Ha! Flew SEA to BLR twice, one with LH and once with BA. I preferred the BA horizontal flat seat. But now, I may just go LH the next time I go to BLR just to fly the "i". Makes me want to volunteer for that trip!!

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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1355 posts, RR: 3
Reply 144, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 94):

LH's 748 commitment goes beyond their 20 frame order - I expect LHT to get a good deal of conversion and maintenance work for other operators.

Which is the reason why LH can introduce any type that fits its needs even at small numbers.

Ehhhh, sort of. LHT is still a separate company from LH (even if the same family) and must bid on mx contracts, even for LH, like anyone else. IIRC, they actually did lose some mx work on LH services not so long ago (though I'm sure they maintain the vast majority of it).



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9585 posts, RR: 52
Reply 145, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting maxfly (Reply 137):

my seat count (on KVS) is 8F/86C/262Y for a total of 356 seats (32 Biz in the upper- and 54 on the main deck)... unless I've lost count of course...

I think you missed a row on the main deck business class.



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User currently offlineB777 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting tailfin (Reply 133):

On my way to get groceries, I saw it leave YVR at around 12:12pm local time.


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 147, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 49):
It is LH490/ 491

I can't count how many times I've seen those numbers! Spend even an hour in blazing hot sun after months of Seattle's gray clouds and your brain gets fried.   Thanks Phil.

With SK and AF gone from Seattle, I had to turn out for that A340. They're so rare here now. It turned out, it was D-AIGA, the very first LH A340, so nice little bonus there.

Quoting B777 (Reply 146):

On my way to get groceries, I saw it leave YVR at around 12:12pm local time.

Photographed it this morning leaving PAE for the short hop to YVR. Right now it's at BFI but will soon return to PAE.


User currently offlineB777 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 147):
Right now it's at BFI but will soon return to PAE

Yup, noticed that when I checked Flightaware. I didn't know it was going to be at YVR today so it was a pleasant surprise to see it departing. Hopefully, a 787 will show up here one of these days.


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