DTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
Definatly. Children too. Too easy for them to do something. Try telling a 5 year old not to pull the big lever. Although not disasterous, pulling the speed brake handle at altitude wouldn't do much good. You've also got the security risk. More than once, people have tried to take control after flight deck visits.
Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2716 times:
I understand the safety concern about having children in the cockpit during the flight but I think there is a bigger concern.
In todays world there are too many dangers from terrorism and hijackings. Why else does the FAA impose so many security precautions? For me I get scared at the thought of any random civilian going up into the cockpit of a flying plane. Granted there is a miniscule chance of a hijacking but it could happen.
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Aloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
In the U.S. cockpit visits are banned, but not when you are at the gate. I flew a DL722 from SAN-SLC last summer, and had the opportunity to visit the flight deck while we were still parked at the gate and pax were boarding, also had a chance to chat with the pilots about how they got their jobs, my goal of becoming a pilot, ops of the 727 etc. :d
It was a great visit that I will remember for a long time, last all of 5-7 minutes but it was worth it.
Should be allowed in certain instances. There is the risk of hijacking and/or pax playing with controls, however, this is only really dangerous when the plane is actually in the air, taxiing, or on T/O/Landing roll.
Therefore I think the compromise should be that pax are only allowed to visit the flight deck briefly while the aircraft is at the gate, either after or before the flight, preferably after.
That way, there is alot less of a safety concern!!
Now if they banned visits on the ground it would be terrible. I thoroughly enjoyed speaking to the pilots before and after the flight and would love to still have the opportunity to do that again!
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
"Fair enough, but i'm a 777 f/o and i've had a kid reach for the throttles before."
DTA, I have a question. Did this "kid" who reached for the throttles was during in-flight?
I've been on many airplanes and usually the captain lets me (I'm 17 and a pilot) spool up the throttles while the plane was on the ground and the engines were off. With permission, of course. No problem with that.
you sound fake because you live in the USA and the FAA doesn't allow in-flight cockpit visits on any US registered aircraft. And you're really young at age 21-25?
What's your name and your REAL occupation?
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
Aloha, I've been in the cockpit chatting with the pilots during boarding for 20 minutes. On a US Shuttle A320 flight, the captain invited me to stay and watch them perform checklist and receive their IFR clearance and such. But they told me to take my seat when the plane was ready to push.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
There's some people on here taht are fudging.
In US part 121 airlines are not allowed to have visitors in the cockpit when the engines are running. You can go up there when the plane is on the ground and parked at the gate, but that is it. And seeing as a 777 FO is a decently high seniority position.. i dont see how it is possible for someone 21-25 to be one. Most people arent even out of the minors or out of the few remaining SO positions in the majors when they are 25. Not to mention when someone pulls the throttles during cruise on something like hte 777.. it will cause the plane to lurch a tad, but the autothrottles bring them straight back up.. in the 777 it may take quite the yank too to get it back w/ the autothrottles on.. more than a kid could go for.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
Make the person sign a statement in blood that (s)he won't touch anything. If the person is underage, make a parent sign and be there at all times.
Either that or put a glass screen between the flightcrew and the rest of the plane for people to stand behind...
I agree that there is a security risk, you never know who might have smuggled a gun or bomb past security and wants to hijack the plane.
But there is also PR to consider. As stated, flightdeckvisits may get people to consider a carreer in aviation, and can thus be a valuable and free recruiting aid. They also help remind the crew that those are real people, and not senseless animals or bags of meat in the main cabin (as some airlines seem to treat their passengers).
Air NZ From New Zealand, joined Jun 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
I think there should at least be an age limit, or little kids have to be with a responsible parent. I was in Australia, Canberra to Sydney once on a Kendell Saab 340, I went into the flight deckand got to land into Sydney, they asked me my age which was 14 at the time, and I think that was the limit for someone being in the jump seat, though I had said I was learning to fly.
Though we do like to go to the deck, there should be some rule which gives restricted access, because it is still in some ailines easy to get in there.
Delta73Spilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
Personally, while flying for 3 years for an Asian carrier, and having an open cockpit policy, loved visits on the TriStar flight deck, broke up the monotony of all nighters. Kids were a treat, they really loved the experience, and even though we were vigilant, no one ever even came close to touching anything, and I am talking young kids from all parts of the world. Not to mention the cute blonde Aussie one night from Bali to Melbourne.... mmmmmmmmm!
Anyway, flying for Delta now, this is all in the past, but I fonldly miss those cockpit visits. Nothing wrong in my book!