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Inflight Flight Deck Visits Should Be Banned  
User currently offlineWhalePilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 91 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Comments on banning inflight flight deck visits?

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Definatly. Children too. Too easy for them to do something. Try telling a 5 year old not to pull the big lever. Although not disasterous, pulling the speed brake handle at altitude wouldn't do much good. You've also got the security risk. More than once, people have tried to take control after flight deck visits.

User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Did you have a unpleasent experience or something?

I see the Safety Issue, but do you know how many Little Kids who got to visit.....Went on to be Pilot's??????????


User currently offlineDTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Fair enough, but i'm a 777 f/o and i've had a kid reach for the throttles before. Although, I suppose it doesn't happen too much, safety and security are paramount in this business.

User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

I completly agree with you. I would say always have a F/A with the Guest at all times,and limit viewing to 3 min. Good Compromise?....:*)

User currently offlineDTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Hmmm, well the f/as are more unruly than the children!  Smile Nah, just kidding. We luv F/As! Keep bringing the coffee!

User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

This could become a safety controversity!


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User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

BTW! I really want a ride on a 777!!!!!..LOL! You worked hard for your job and I respect that.

User currently offlineDTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Yay! Respect! Finally! Thank you, sir/ma'am. And the 777 *is* a great aircraft. Which is why i don't want no 5 year old fu**ing it up.  Smile Smile Smile Smile

User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Yes it could be Boeing.....LOL!

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

I understand the safety concern about having children in the cockpit during the flight but I think there is a bigger concern.

In todays world there are too many dangers from terrorism and hijackings. Why else does the FAA impose so many security precautions? For me I get scared at the thought of any random civilian going up into the cockpit of a flying plane. Granted there is a miniscule chance of a hijacking but it could happen.



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User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Safty is Paramount.......So how else to do it
.....Pelxi-glass cockpit?????


User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

DTA, you are a 777 f/o at the age of 21-25? And you had a kid visit the cockpit in the United States, where such visits are already forbidden? (I assume you work for a US airline, from your profile?)

User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

In the U.S. cockpit visits are banned, but not when you are at the gate. I flew a DL722 from SAN-SLC last summer, and had the opportunity to visit the flight deck while we were still parked at the gate and pax were boarding, also had a chance to chat with the pilots about how they got their jobs, my goal of becoming a pilot, ops of the 727 etc. :d

It was a great visit that I will remember for a long time, last all of 5-7 minutes but it was worth it.

Should be allowed in certain instances. There is the risk of hijacking and/or pax playing with controls, however, this is only really dangerous when the plane is actually in the air, taxiing, or on T/O/Landing roll.

Therefore I think the compromise should be that pax are only allowed to visit the flight deck briefly while the aircraft is at the gate, either after or before the flight, preferably after.

That way, there is alot less of a safety concern!! Big grin

Now if they banned visits on the ground it would be terrible. I thoroughly enjoyed speaking to the pilots before and after the flight and would love to still have the opportunity to do that again!

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4355 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

"Fair enough, but i'm a 777 f/o and i've had a kid reach for the throttles before."
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DTA, I have a question. Did this "kid" who reached for the throttles was during in-flight?
I've been on many airplanes and usually the captain lets me (I'm 17 and a pilot) spool up the throttles while the plane was on the ground and the engines were off. With permission, of course. No problem with that.

you sound fake because you live in the USA and the FAA doesn't allow in-flight cockpit visits on any US registered aircraft. And you're really young at age 21-25?
What's your name and your REAL occupation?

Kevin/DCA



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4355 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Aloha, I've been in the cockpit chatting with the pilots during boarding for 20 minutes. On a US Shuttle A320 flight, the captain invited me to stay and watch them perform checklist and receive their IFR clearance and such. But they told me to take my seat when the plane was ready to push.
Kevin/DCA



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

There's some people on here taht are fudging.


In US part 121 airlines are not allowed to have visitors in the cockpit when the engines are running. You can go up there when the plane is on the ground and parked at the gate, but that is it. And seeing as a 777 FO is a decently high seniority position.. i dont see how it is possible for someone 21-25 to be one. Most people arent even out of the minors or out of the few remaining SO positions in the majors when they are 25. Not to mention when someone pulls the throttles during cruise on something like hte 777.. it will cause the plane to lurch a tad, but the autothrottles bring them straight back up.. in the 777 it may take quite the yank too to get it back w/ the autothrottles on.. more than a kid could go for.



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

When I was really young I got to visit the cockpit and I sat on the f/o's lap and I didn't f**k up the plane!!

BTW-When did the law come in affect??

-R-e-n-4-1-



User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4355 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Well, I doubt that DTA dude isn't gonna respond. woooord. I would like to see his face right now, heheehe.

Kevin/DCA



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

I think DTA is the same person Timobear (anyone remember him?).

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Make the person sign a statement in blood that (s)he won't touch anything. If the person is underage, make a parent sign and be there at all times.
Either that or put a glass screen between the flightcrew and the rest of the plane for people to stand behind...

I agree that there is a security risk, you never know who might have smuggled a gun or bomb past security and wants to hijack the plane.
But there is also PR to consider. As stated, flightdeckvisits may get people to consider a carreer in aviation, and can thus be a valuable and free recruiting aid. They also help remind the crew that those are real people, and not senseless animals or bags of meat in the main cabin (as some airlines seem to treat their passengers).



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User currently offlineAir NZ From New Zealand, joined Jun 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I think there should at least be an age limit, or little kids have to be with a responsible parent. I was in Australia, Canberra to Sydney once on a Kendell Saab 340, I went into the flight deckand got to land into Sydney, they asked me my age which was 14 at the time, and I think that was the limit for someone being in the jump seat, though I had said I was learning to fly.

Though we do like to go to the deck, there should be some rule which gives restricted access, because it is still in some ailines easy to get in there.

Matt


User currently offlineDelta73Spilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Personally, while flying for 3 years for an Asian carrier, and having an open cockpit policy, loved visits on the TriStar flight deck, broke up the monotony of all nighters. Kids were a treat, they really loved the experience, and even though we were vigilant, no one ever even came close to touching anything, and I am talking young kids from all parts of the world. Not to mention the cute blonde Aussie one night from Bali to Melbourne.... mmmmmmmmm!
Anyway, flying for Delta now, this is all in the past, but I fonldly miss those cockpit visits. Nothing wrong in my book!
T.A.


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

I agree too there will be some risk. But I guess it will really be a great and happy experience for those who really love flying and wanting to get a feel how is it up front.

alvin



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User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

I've been in the cockpit on Finnair and Britannia (Nordic) and i've never even thought about pulling anything!

Zulu Alpha


25 Post contains images Jwenting : LZA I think most people here know those buttons are looky only unless you carry a white shirt with gold braid on the shoulders and a large cap with th
26 Post contains images Sdate747 : GoCaps16 - I have to agree with you. If you look at DTA's other posts they are very general in nature - he rides in Virgin Atlantic 747s helping FA's
27 Olympic A-340 : Well, this summer I was fortunate to go into the VS A-321 from ATH-LGW. First impression-Small. I was accompanied by the pursor, but I know that if th
28 FFMilesJunkie : No one can say with authority that someone on this board is an imposter. Some people don't pay much attention to setting up their profile before posti
29 AC_A340 : I love those visits in flight. Ii ask everytime I'm aboard Air Canada. I think that if you have a PPL at least you should be allowed in at any time (p
30 Jgardiner : I have always enjoyed cockpit visits on many airlines. With the obvious exception of the FAA I believe it should be left up to the airline or individu
31 Turbulence : I am firmly in favour of flight deck visits. I've been in Iberia and Olympic, for unaccountable landings and also for two T/Os. Even once, flying OA 2
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