ripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1023 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9073 times:
If some hear suggest that after merger with AA DP will file for BK to get the costs back in line you have to be crazy employees would revolt going thru BK again after a merger it would be insane to think what the morale would be you talk about a rollercoster thats it. Employees have been down for a long time BK brought them down even further DP's argements with 3 unions I have never see the employees more optimistic looking toward the future with DP in charge. Hortons plan for the company is not what ever front line employee has fought for he would be able not flying anyone just using a code share. DP is the opposite and that is what has the employees looking toward a future that they havent since Crandall left. Horton and is senior staff are pissed because they want to come out of BK a stand alone so they can set themselves up with their golden parchautes in case someone buys them out. I doubt US bumps paid first class passengers so its senior staff & spouses can go on vacation in F. At a time when AA needs every bit of revunue this act is just shows that they are selfish and dont care about the long term AA
aluminumtubing From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 318 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8924 times:
TWA entered chapter 11 as part of the acquisition deal.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10476 posts, RR: 20 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8913 times:
I think Parker has stolen a day's march on AA management.
Maybe I'm naive and optimistic but it seems by having agreements with the three unions in hand, he's done something that AA management hasn't been able to do after years of trying. Along with this comes at least a temporary boost in morale and a sense of momentum that has been lacking for a very long time now. I think the USAPA will be buried under the weight of numbers and that silliness will come to an end as well. Others have said that Parker is offering no more than AA is offering but that's the point, they're willing to take it from Parker but not from current AA management.
For those who say that the union happiness will be short lived under Parker, ask yourselves how happy the unions will be should Parker's plan not come to fruition? I'd say that it would cause another solid decade of unhappiness.
It is a real sad sign of the times that union-management relations have gotten to the point where the union would dislike the current management so much that they'd publicly make an agreement with a different management team, but the reality is that the company will live or die based on how well its employees perform, and it's easier to replace a relatively few managers rather than tens of thousands of employees.
It's ironic how we're having discussions about how disposable FAs are when the ones actually being disposed are CEOs. Arpey's left the building, and who knows how long Horton will be around.
As for contract-based FAs. well, not only do you have US labor laws on sexism and ageism to comply with, but also you'd have to get past the current bargaining agent for the current workers, i.e. the unions, and that's not going to happen.
Besides, given what I see of the average US yoot, I doubt the same formula that works in Asia would work in the US. They're just as capable of standing in the aisles bitching about their pay as are their parent's generation.
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8775 times:
My signature line says it all. "Watch what you want. You may get it."
I can certainly relate to the feeling of most AA employees right now. Been there twice. It is an emotional, and distressing time. For AA people, it has been a long time coming, and possibly is more painful now because many AA people felt they weren't affected when this happened at other airlines and other airline people.
Don't forget US has visited bankruptcy twice. Thousands of employees in crew, airport, reservations and corporate were let go. US alone closed 8 rez centers, the DM Service Center, Consumer Affairs, airport operations staff, flight crews and corporate staff since 2003. Anyone remember the outsourcing of rez to Guatemala, Mexico and the Phillipines? Forget that all retiree benefits were canceled and the default to the PBGC on all pensions? Thousands of employees, and veteran retired employees had little choice or voice in the final outcomes.
Interesting that US can now commit that won't happen at AA when those decisions were made from a strictly financial perspective. Can anyone really expect AA and US to combine.....called what you will and airplanes painted in whatever scheme.....and not expect further reorganization, negotiation and "right-sizing" to maximize revenue and financial success? It may look good on paper, but it has to work.
I can appreciate AA people wanting something good to happen at their airline, and finally in their view to them as employees. I extend Best Wishes and hope your future is bright. It will however, be a painful transition and mark my words.....things change rapidly over time and commitments made now do not always hold up. Remember. There is a still a business to run, and management will make decisions in the interest of the corporation and its mission to insure financial stability and success. Red ink on the money is the same color as employees blood, and they both can be lost.
ripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1023 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8651 times:
PI4ever all the employees want is airline to lead and be proud of I know the employees will take less to see that vision cause there is a future in it. Horton is doom and gloom, more bonus, golden parchutes, outsourcing as much as they can and stick to OW hub flying, letting AS B6 fly as much domestic as they can for them its not bright. I think everyone knows that pensions are frozen jobs will be outsourced more flying but under DP this is all done for the benifit of the airline not the 45 top ex;s which it will be done if Horton is left in charge. I think US can buy AA in BK if they get 5 of 9 BK board memebers to sign off on it and the judge to approve it I dont know for sure.
AAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 390 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8639 times:
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 235): IAnd in the future, please don't assume that all of my answers will by default be defined by the traveling public or management. And frankly you exaggerate the rudeness of FAs overall, as 95% of the members do here. Please be honest.
Well, I should have prefaced that by saying its not a majority of F/As - you are correct when you say that. It's certainly a minority that needs to be smaller (I spent 8 years with American, so I do know what I'm talking about). Now I just fly AA 50,000 miles a year (mostly out of loyalty to friends and former colleagues , as I can obviously fly who I want). When one experiences all those different sides of the business - that gives one a different perspective then every other platinum who just wants his/her miles protected. Best of luck to you going forward.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 4): Maybe I'm naive and optimistic but it seems by having agreements with the three unions in hand, he's done something that AA management hasn't been able to do after years of trying.
Very, very true. The honeymoon will end, though, I can promise you that. What they all make of it will be interesting to watch.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 4): It's ironic how we're having discussions about how disposable FAs are when the ones actually being disposed are CEOs. Arpey's left the building, and who knows how long Horton will be around.
Those guys will be fine- look at Carty - he's over at VX - adding routes to compete with AA as we speak.
flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8564 times:
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 7): Horton is doom and gloom, more bonus, golden parchutes, outsourcing as much as they can and stick to OW hub flying, letting AS B6 fly as much domestic as they can for them its not bright.
Stop making things up, it undermines your argument. AA has not released it's reorganization plan, so there is no way that you could know what is in it or what it entails.
DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8549 times:
I fly frequently in and out of SMF, Sacramento International Airport.
US has a number of frequencies to PHX and a daily flight to PHL. AA has a number of frequencies to DFW and Eagle flights to LAX. In a merged AA into US, I can see US ticket and ground personal handling the AA flights. Maybe, an increase of a couple of positions. It seems like this would be the situation in many shared US/AA cities. I can see AA positions taking a beating.
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3665 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8369 times:
Quoting DesertAir (Reply 10): I fly frequently in and out of SMF, Sacramento International Airport.
US has a number of frequencies to PHX and a daily flight to PHL. AA has a number of frequencies to DFW and Eagle flights to LAX. In a merged AA into US, I can see US ticket and ground personal handling the AA flights. Maybe, an increase of a couple of positions. It seems like this would be the situation in many shared US/AA cities. I can see AA positions taking a beating.
In some stations, it will bring ops back in house as AA has outsourced (or is planning to) in many places.
Pu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 642 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
From a business perspective, AA has not been a consistently well managed concern since 1999. September 11th? WN gets to hedge their fuel? Other legacies declare bankruptcy? LHR opened up to competitors? Unions? Wright Ammendment ending? Challenges to most every airline to be sure, but AA handled them all badly.
..and Horton's plan, insofar as I have read, is little more than a continued sad devotion to the failed religion that got them here, especially his confrontational and dictatorial attitude towards workers.
It's clear Horton was aiming for an eventual buyout/merger of AA or some large part of its assets, no doubt with an iron clad golden parachute built into his post bankruptcy employment contract. I am certain Citibank or some other money centers were backstage promising some sweet financing to Horton to either go shopping himself or finance a post-bx merger under his helm, once he destroyed the unions. How emotionally satisfying it must be to have the tables turned on his smug and cynical approach to the bankruptcy process generally and his own workforce in particular.
...but it's not over yet, and all stakeholders including the unions should expect some things they don't like if Parker prevails in the battle for AA. For instance, AA's loss-making devotion to premium services and chasing the (we are told) valuable high yielding customers may devolve into Parker's minimalist approach to luxuries. Head count trimming will certainly come, sooner or later...and other painful things.
Anyway, best of luck to AA. A different looking AA is better than Horton's vision of a shell airline doing little more than managing a FF program and selling tickets on outsourced flying, a vision obviously meant for future m&a activity....
Rising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 237 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7476 times:
Quoting Pu (Reply 12): A different looking AA is better than Horton's vision of a shell airline doing little more than managing a FF program and selling tickets on outsourced flying, a vision obviously meant for future m&a activity
It's funny, when Southwest outsources its maintenance and United and Delta rely heavily on regional flying it's called smart business but when AMR moves to align its structure in a similar fashion, they are branded as insane.
AMR operates a fleet of over 600 mainline airplanes, and a fleet of 281 regional airplanes. To put that in perspective, United and Continental operated mainline fleets of around 350 airplanes each pre-merger. Think about that for a minute. AMR operates a mainline fleet almost double the size of their old competitors and only slightly less than the now merged UAL enterprise. With Eagle, it's almost 900 airplanes. That's what is truly insane. And you wonder why their plan calls for more outsourcing and code-sharing?
Even if AMR cut their mainline fleet in half, which is not even in the cards, they would still only be slightly smaller than US AIrways today.
I actually would like to see a US Airways/American merger. But to say that if they don't, AMR is going to just sell tickets and dump the fleet is overheated rhetoric.
If it doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true.
Nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 319 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7260 times:
Its been fun reading through all of this over the last several days because there are so many different opinions and clearly a great deal of passion. I think there are two different ways to look at this on A.net and it depends on your position....either current airline employee or a passenger that is not employed in the industry who is an aviation enthusiast.
If you are an enthusiast or passenger, you are worried about paint schemes, frequent flier program benefits, competitive pricing, loss of air service in your community and the fact that a merger means the disappearance of yet another airline from the skies.
If you are an employee of any major airline in the US, I would think that most would be excited (as I am) about this as it rounds out the transformation of the airline industry that started with the US/HP merger years ago. The final merger of two legacy carriers will further stabilize the marketplace and bring long-term stability to the remaining carriers and by default, to their employees. This means better overall capacity and price control which is key with high fuel prices and for the first time in a very long time, the potential for airlines to generate a reasonable rate of return for their investors. Employees from UA, DL, AS, B6 and others should be rooting for this......yes it means a much stronger AA but more importantly, it means one less competitor.
I don't believe for a second that there wont be outsourcing or job cuts, there has to be and that is a fact. There will be station outsourcing on the ramp at field stations and I would look for a similar strategy to the current US strategy in that regard but as mentioned, AA is already doing this on their own.
For the customer, we often hear people complain about poor service and the horror that comes with a flight on a US carrier.....well, that in large part is a product of what has been a super competitive marketplace and now that the industry is well into a serious transformation, I would expect to see service improve over time across the board at all major air carriers. This will however come at a price as airlines will likely be able to charge what it actually costs to move a customer from point A to point B most of the time while profiting enough to cover the massive expenditures that come with running a major airline.
This will be a good thing if it happens but it wont be without its frustrations and issues just as we have seen with all other recent mergers. This situation obviously has its differences as the "hostile" element was not present in other recent merger situations so I do expect more drama than in previous mergers.
As mentioned above, lets wait for a flurry of posts after tomorrows BK hearings as the results could be very interesting....
US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7098 times:
Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15): it rounds out the transformation of the airline industry that started with the US/HP merger years ago.
The transformation that - I agree - an AA-USAirways merger would largely conclude began far, far before the USAirways-America West merger.
I would argue that a more accurate moment to pinpoint the beginning of this 'transformation' was 1982, when Braniff went out of business. That was the first major airline to exit the marketplace - whether through failure or merger - in the era of deregulation. That began the slow, gradual, but ultimately inevitable process of reducing the number of major carriers in the U.S. There have been some new additions since deregulation, but far more eliminations as the industry has struggled and striven, ceaselessly, to actually make money and return value to shareholders.
If AA and USAirways merge - which I personally think is going to happen one way or another whether now or a few years from now after AMR exits bankruptcy - that will bring us, for the first time in 35 years, to some semblance of natural equilibrium in the U.S. domestic air travel marketplace: four huge national airlines (AA, Delta, United and Southwest), perhaps a couple of smaller, primarily more regionalized carriers (perhaps JetBlue in the east, Alaska in the west), and then a handful of smaller 'niche' carriers (Virgin, Spirit, Allegiant, perhaps Frontier).
Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15): The final merger of two legacy carriers will further stabilize the marketplace and bring long-term stability to the remaining carriers and by default, to their employees.
Hopefully.
Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15): This means better overall capacity and price control which is key with high fuel prices and for the first time in a very long time, the potential for airlines to generate a reasonable rate of return for their investors.
Hopefully.
Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15): Employees from UA, DL, AS, B6 and others should be rooting for this......yes it means a much stronger AA but more importantly, it means one less competitor.
Nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 319 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6974 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 16): The transformation that - I agree - an AA-USAirways merger would largely conclude began far, far before the USAirways-America West merger.
quote=commavia,reply=16]I would argue that a more accurate moment to pinpoint the beginning of this 'transformation' was 1982, when Braniff went out of business.[/quote]
This made me smile.....I was born at the tail end of 1980
From my perspective, I have ridden the roller coaster in the airline Industry since 1999 when I began a job as a flight attendant with NW after high school....I was furloughed twice over a 5 year period and worked for HP as a ramp agent during the first furlough. After the second furlough and Chapter 11 at NW, I joined AS as a CSA and worked my way up through the ranks only to have my position eliminated as part of AS's cost cutting initiatives in 2010. I am currently with another major air carrier and I wont say if the AA/ US tie up would impact me but lets just say I am ready for another roller coaster ride.
At the end of the day, I have been doing this for 12 years now and I hope that the merger of AA and US will bring at least several years of stability to the industry in the US......I know I am ready for some job security and the ability to truly plan for a future (I am sure many others on here feel the same).
US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12562 posts, RR: 64 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5807 times:
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 7): letting AS B6 fly as much domestic as they can for them its not bright
What domestic flying of AA's would AS possibly pick up? They've got their hands full already, particularly AS. I see very limited opportunity for AA cutbacks to equal new AS/B6 flying that AA would then codeshare on. More likely that the future looks much like it does with the AS/AA codeshare, where there's mutual feed over their own at-will flying.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7451 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5588 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 4): and it's easier to replace a relatively few managers rather than tens of thousands of employees.
Very true.
Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15): I would think that most would be excited (as I am) about this as it rounds out the transformation of the airline industry that started with the US/HP merger years ago.
Yes. I think this is the correct perspective. Nicely put.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10476 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 16): Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 15):
This means better overall capacity and price control which is key with high fuel prices and for the first time in a very long time, the potential for airlines to generate a reasonable rate of return for their investors.
Hopefully.
It will be interesting to see. The capacity controls and route optimizations made possible by consolidation indeed combine with higher fuel costs to produce "sticker shock". The airlines may find they've priced themselves out of the budgets of more and more casual travelers and may find themselves fighting more and more over fewer and fewer premium flyers. I hope things find a workable balance.
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4524 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): The capacity controls and route optimizations made possible by consolidation indeed combine with higher fuel costs to produce "sticker shock". The airlines may find they've priced themselves out of the budgets of more and more casual travelers and may find themselves fighting more and more over fewer and fewer premium flyers. I hope things find a workable balance.
the alternative is for airlines to do what they have traditionally done which has been to fly too many passengers at a loss, for the objective at gaining market share, regardless of the end result of loss after loss, year after year, or at the very best earning such a low profit margin that they cannot properly afford the capital to reinvest, to turn over their fleets, etc.
I think if we analyze CASM's of the major airlines of the world (excluding fuel), on an inflation adjusted basis, they have never been more efficient. The US network carriers led by Delta and United Continental in particular have CASM's in the low US7 cents. They are certainly doing their share to try and hold on to as many casual travelers as possible, even if it means flying in a crowded aircraft with a 31 inch pitch!
Fuel is another issue. Discretionary travel certainly suffers in a higher fuel environment just as many people drive their cars shorter distances for vacations or simply have a 'staycation, ' or take a bus or train to work when fuel is relatively expensive.
The Original Coronado: First CV jet flights RG CV 990 July 1965; DL CV 880 July 1965; Spantax CV990 Feb 1973
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4430 times:
SPREE34 made a comment that Bob Crandall was a straight shooter, while Don Carty and Gerard Arpey were less than fully honest with the labor groups at AA.
One thing to keep in mind is that Carty and Arpey worked their way up the corporate ladder at AA in the culture that Crandall created.
By the same token, Doug Parker's first job in the industry was at AA, during the Crandall era.
I've heard some AA pilots say that there is a need for a change in the culture at AMR HQ, and that will only come about with a new CEO who has never worked for AA, as well as senior executives from outside of AA (or executives from within the company who would adapt to a non-Crandall culture).
My assumption has been that when AMR exits Chapter 11, the company would issue stock to many of its creditors (particularly lenders and lessors). The new owners would then create a new board of directors who would find a new management team to replace Horton and his team.
What remains to be seen is how the Eagle unions view a potential merger with US. I don't think Eagle will be a part of AMR 5 years from now, but a US merger might lead to less desirable fate for Eagle than AA coming out of Chapter 11 on its own.
I disagree with SPREE34's belief that most AA flying will be done by other carriers. AA has 460 narrowbodies on order, in addition to the order for 738s that started deliveries in 2009. There are 465 options for Airbus and Boeing narrowbodies.
Then, there are the 777 orders (both -200 and -300) and the 787 order that will be confirmed upon signing of a contract with APA (50 firm and 50 options).
Does that sound like an airline that is going to let a lot of other airlines do its flying?
The idea of letting BA, IB, and JL do a lot of international flying, and codesharing with the likes of B6 and AS was meant to generate revenue to get AA back onto its feet. Obviously, the plan didn't work. But, I don't think that is management's plan for the long term.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10476 posts, RR: 20 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4389 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 21): the alternative is for airlines to do what they have traditionally done which has been to fly too many passengers at a loss, for the objective at gaining market share, regardless of the end result of loss after loss, year after year, or at the very best earning such a low profit margin that they cannot properly afford the capital to reinvest, to turn over their fleets, etc.
I don't think this is an alternative these days. The cost of fuel will bleed out even the biggest bankroll.
Quoting Coronado (Reply 21): I think if we analyze CASM's of the major airlines of the world (excluding fuel), on an inflation adjusted basis, they have never been more efficient. The US network carriers led by Delta and United Continental in particular have CASM's in the low US7 cents. They are certainly doing their share to try and hold on to as many casual travelers as possible, even if it means flying in a crowded aircraft with a 31 inch pitch!
Indeed. It shows one of the few variables is employee salaries and benefits, and they are the ones being squeezed the hardest.
Quoting Coronado (Reply 21): Fuel is another issue. Discretionary travel certainly suffers in a higher fuel environment just as many people drive their cars shorter distances for vacations or simply have a 'staycation, ' or take a bus or train to work when fuel is relatively expensive.
The real question is will there really ever be a lower fuel environment again?
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3665 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4342 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 23): The real question is will there really ever be a lower fuel environment again?
Depends on regulation and if it ever changes. Short supply isn't the problem - all that oil they are pumping out of North Dakota is being shipped to China.
25 moo: Whats the legal situation surrounding companies and bodies talking to third parties? Can AA legally talk to another workers body to replace the curren
26 mayor: "Is this unprecedented? Making deals with the unions independent from management?" This question was asked by the OP in Part #1. I remember Doug Parke
27 SPREE34: Good point. There are questions about how the 319's will be flown, and by whom. Eagle? American "Lite"? American, with APA agreeing a lower pay scale
28 Revelation: It all depends on if AA gets its wish and is allowed to impose its contractual desires on its unions. The hearings are happening this week, so stay t
29 delta2ual: Two great quotes from another, closed thread: Incitatus: "A merged AA/US would have similar total revenue to Delta and United and 30 thousand more emp
30 ripcordd: AS they would let them do all the flying out of LAX that eagle does now. B6 they would code share on routes out of BOS and JFK....Eagle or another co
31 SPREE34: It's about time. It skews things too much.
32 AAplat4life: From what I read, this could not happen until June. Management has two weeks to or so to put on its case, the parties have to go back and bargain and
33 LAXdude1023: Looks like the creditors sided with AA according to this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47148995...s/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/
34 catiii: On the issue of voiding the contracts though, and not on the question of US's actions. Totally agree. Whereas with Delta it had a rallying and unifyi
35 LAXdude1023: It does tell on something. The creditors think its better to tear up the contracts rather than build a bridge to what US has proposed.
36 LDVAviation: It is in the best interest of the secured and most of the unsecured creditors to finance AA's emergence on the backs of the employees. If AA can impo
37 incitatus: The reason why the unions like the US deal is very different from why analysts like the US deal. With the US deal ultimately the merged company will
38 gigneil: TWA liquidated. Chapter 7. Yes they very well could. NS
39 Flighty: The more senior rank+file would be pretty safe due to seniority. So, they might be receptive to the higher wages / lower headcount proposal.
40 gigneil: I bet they do both. They void the contracts, and defer to US's (arguably much) better management. NS
42 Revelation: Or they want to tear up the contracts and merge with US as well. Parker can tell the unions he was willing to pay 'delta + 3%' but the nasty creditor
43 chepos: This could get very ugly over at AA, workng along a demoralized workforce sucks "been there done that". From everything I have read this seems to be g
44 LDVAviation: If the creditors/courts take that off the table, they more or less will have tabled Parker's plans for a takeover. So, yeah, the fact that 6 of the 9
45 lasairlinerenth: Hi Everyone: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-...us-airways-american_b_1447467.html IMHO, in this blog post, Greenberg doesn't really say anything
46 Byrdluvs747: Quote: IAG's two airlines, BA and Spain's Iberia, have deep partnerships with American, through their Oneworld airline alliance. Mr. Walsh, IAG's chie
47 LDVAviation: Contrary to information in the first part of this thread, Boeing is not backing the unions or USAirways' plan. See link: http://www.thestreet.com/stor
48 ckfred: Back in the mid 90s, the APA suggested an AA Lite, back when CO had a Lite operation, Delta was flying an Express operation to Florida, and United ha
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