Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22392 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11684 times:
It's only wasteful if they're not charging enough to cover whatever extra costs are involved.
Since it's very easy to get dehydrated in the dry air of an airplane, I've got no problem with them handing out full cans. I only wish they'd do it with orange juice as well - normally they pour that out of a carton.
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Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11465 times:
Quoting Spacepope (Reply 4): Cans are very easy and economical to recycle. Aluminum is also a commodity these days (at $.55 per pound) so you can bet some beancounter has taken the scrap price into account.
Aluminum takes a lot of energy to produce. On top of that, all the transportation for the recycling, as well as energy used to melt it down to make new aluminum cans consumes a lot of energy. Drinks out of cartons are much better for the environment.
Quoting Mir (Reply 1): Since it's very easy to get dehydrated in the dry air of an airplane, I've got no problem with them handing out full cans. I only wish they'd do it with orange juice as well - normally they pour that out of a carton.
Ask for a one more glass of juice if you are thirsty.
aklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11234 times:
Even if you don't put the can into a recycling bin, most major cities sort the main waste stream anyway. Ferrous metals are sucked out with a magnet. Non-ferrous (such as AL) are sucked out with an eddy current and electric or magnetic field. AL will even survive an incinerator.
Plastics are not valuable enough to be as certain of recycling from the waste stream. An attempt is made, but not always successful. Plastic in an incinerator makes a nice fuel.
I think it would be difficult to pick a winner from either an economic or resource point of view.
Another issue is the cost of providing good service to the customer. Most people could last perfectly well for an hour of two with no drink at all. As a customer, I prefer to get a can I can drink at my leisure instead of hoping an FA can make it back to my seat in economy for a refill. The additional cost of making me hate the airline just slightly less may be worth it.
The one airline that almost never gives me the whole can is WN because the way they serve drinks makes that difficult, but they are usually so fast that I can get a refill if I want it.
Pointless aside: last Thanksgiving day I handed out small boxes of candy to the crew (WN). I got so many refills I nearly drowned on a 1 hour flight.
kfitz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11194 times:
It is SOP at Continental Airlines to withhold the full can from customers, a distinction they share only with Southwest in the US. An apparent pennywise move that has yet to be streamlined in their merger.
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 81
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11029 times:
Quoting kfitz (Reply 11): It is SOP at Continental Airlines to withhold the full can from customers, a distinction they share only with Southwest in the US. An apparent pennywise move that has yet to be streamlined in their merger.
There is no such thing as Continental Airlines.
At United they have been doing this on all flights for a year. Of course, the sUA flight attendants rebelled at this as well as recycling the cans, since its "more work". So the good ones do it, and the douches do not.
TomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9392 times:
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 7): Drinks out of cartons are much better for the environment.
Paper containers do not work for carbonated drinks.
There are many carriers worldwide who serve drinks in cans. Some are mini 6 oz. cans, some are 12 oz cans (mostly in the US). Some elect to serve half of the cans over ice (6 oz + ice = 8 oz cup serving). This way one can can provide 2 servings. Others offer the full can, which has the advantage of ease and speed of cabin service, and a reduced likelyhood of refills, and a generally more contented customer. Air France, for example, uses mini cans on some (but not all) of their flights.
The Europeans have refillable bottles (.75 liter, 1 liter, and in some cases, 1.5 liter). This is all well when the destination and the origin use the same system. This would not work on routes to the US. Other carriers use non refillable plastic bottles, which gets the same treatment as the cans. The question is where do both of these go, once they are tossed in the bag? We the passenger do not see this, and can either ask someone in the know, or speculate.
At the end of the day, it is WEIGHT, and the cost of transporting weight that determines the media of the container. What weighs more: 1 x12 ounce can, 2 x 6 oz mini can, 1 x 1 liter bottle, etc.? Take the top 2 items, and cost compare them for initial price, and finally, how much does it cost to deliver to the passenger. Before we say that it only takes a few more seconds to pour a drink from a bottle, vs hand a can and a cup to a passenger, it is important to remember that one's day is often full of tasks of similiar duration..
Mark2fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9029 times:
DL does not give the full can unless you ask for but I have never had a problem getting the full can on any flight that I have wanted it. Also DL does recycle the plastic cups, usually when you hand your trash in the FA has a hand full of plastic cups in one hand.
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4466 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8736 times:
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 7): Aluminum takes a lot of energy to produce. On top of that, all the transportation for the recycling, as well as energy used to melt it down to make new aluminum cans consumes a lot of energy. Drinks out of cartons are much better for the environment.
That's a completely different (and unlinked) equation since a number of aluminum smelters are located adjacent to hydroelectric power.
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 984 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8423 times:
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 15): or europe? Every airline i've flown always uses cans. I have yet to see an airline dispense soft drinks from a bottle.
Fruit juice and water tend to come from large cartons or plastic bottles when its free - fizzy drinks from cans. And if you are on LCC buying fizzy drinks beware that one carrier did [and may still do] try and charge as much for a 150ml can as you would pay for a 1.5L bottle in a supermarket. Even the steward agreed with me that it was a rip off when I refused it.