FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9731 times:
It appears that DL may be making another push at LAX. Beginning July 11th (same day as phase II of the LGA expansion), DL will no longer have any flights out of LAX on anything smaller than a CR7. The DCI flights out LAX in late July are as follows:
It's tough to argue that a market like LAX-SAN needs FC but I think this is a good move by DL to differentiate themselves from UA, AA, and WN at LAX and will also give a better experience to high value SkyTeam pax connecting through. Being able to offer wifi and FC on all flights certainly can't hurt DL's chances of attracting some more big spenders in LAX.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9638 times:
Yeah but also maybe getting cr2s out. Too high per seat cost and simpler to limit plane types. These are all pretty low fare markets the cr2s just didn't make sense. Don't be surprised to see some frequency reductions in the future. Press announcement by delta of anytype?
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12595 posts, RR: 64 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9567 times:
Quoting FL787 (Thread starter): It's tough to argue that a market like LAX-SAN needs FC
Except for the fact that the majority of those customers buying F class tickets will be traveling beyond LAX on connecting flights and they're getting through fares to their final destination.
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DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9516 times:
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8715 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2): Except for the fact that the majority of those customers buying F class tickets will be traveling beyond LAX on connecting flights and they're getting through fares to their final destination.
True which is why I mentioned the connecting passengers but if it were really that important to offer a seamless trip we'd see UA and AA offering FC on the route as well.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6160 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8644 times:
Quoting FL787 (Thread starter): It appears that DL may be making another push at LAX. Beginning July 11th (same day as phase II of the LGA expansion), DL will no longer have any flights out of LAX on anything smaller than a CR7. The DCI flights out LAX in late July are as follows:
DL is all about product lately. Good for them. I still think LAX is a losing proposition for everybody but WN, but they certainly are trying hard.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12595 posts, RR: 64 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8318 times:
Quoting FL787 (Reply 4): if it were really that important to offer a seamless trip we'd see UA and AA offering FC on the route as well
Every innovative idea has to start somewhere; it could be that this experiment of DL's is duplicated by UA and AA down the line. Or, UA and AA elect to provide mainline F/C service to/from those destinations to SAN instead of offering connections over LAX.
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phllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8199 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3): Wish LAX-MCI was mainline or a E-jet. Long flight on a CRJ.
It was a 175 until April 9. It was the only Delta E-jet in LAX.
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3752 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8139 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3):
I just don't think it will stick. It may, but I'm not holding my breath. Wish LAX-MCI was mainline or a E-jet. Long flight on a CRJ.
I agree. Wouldn't the E75 be more efficient over the CR9? A route like this would be a perfect for the E75/E90/E95.
On the 4th June 2012,:
LAS: 9x CR9
OAK: 4x CR9
PHX: 4x CR7
SMF: 4x CRJ *upgauged to 4x CR7 on 11 July 2012
SFO: 6x CR7; 4x CR9; 1x 738
MCI: 1x CR9
SLC: 2x CR9; 3x 757; 1x 73H; 1x 320
I'm impressed DL has stayed in the LAX-SFO market. I remember when they introduced this market yet again, last summer, many a.netters were very pessimistic about it being around for no more than the summer season. Here we are a year later with eleven nonstops! Good for DL! I'm glad they are sticking it out.
It seems like the CR9 is a good a/c for these short segments allowing more frequencies since the capacity is less on these birds compared to if they were using 73Hs on all these flights.
jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 28 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8030 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 5): DL is all about product lately. Good for them. I still think LAX is a losing proposition for everybody but WN, but they certainly are trying hard.
From what I understand, that isn't actually the case. In fact, LAX has done well for a while now for DL.
Quoting laca773 (Reply 9): I agree. Wouldn't the E75 be more efficient over the CR9? A route like this would be a perfect for the E75/E90/E95.
The CR9 carries exactly the same number of passengers in exactly the same configuration, but the CR9 is about a 1,000lbs lighter. My understanding is that the CR9 economics are generally superior.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4595 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7940 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 9): I'm impressed DL has stayed in the LAX-SFO market. I remember when they introduced this market yet again, last summer, many a.netters were very pessimistic about it being around for no more than the summer season. Here we are a year later with eleven nonstops!
LAX-SFO this time round actually started in summer 2010, with 4x daily flights, not last summer. I believe that last summer was already up to at least 8 or 9x daily (or maybe even more).
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3704 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7805 times:
Quoting FL787 (Thread starter): It's tough to argue that a market like LAX-SAN needs FC
No one else is doing it (110 miles - 20 minutes) so I'm guessing within a year everybody will be doing it.
n901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7656 times:
Im also surprised how full LAX - SFO are. The few times I had to fly up to SFO from LAX on the job, They had to buy me a ticket on UAL, because they couldn't get me there on our flights. PHX was also tuff to fly on, and I had to go thru SLC to get there. I hope it continues, but this time leave out the flying cow ads Ha Ha
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 863 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6937 times:
SJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 273 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6616 times:
MQ runs two CR7s LAX-SAN so there is precedent for FC on the route.
jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6340 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3): I just don't think it will stick. It may, but I'm not holding my breath. Wish LAX-MCI was mainline or a E-jet. Long flight on a CRJ.
I see what you mean about the long flight. I had to do ATL-DEN on a OO CR7, which is a little shorter than LAX-MCI. It was cool because I don't fly on CRJs that often, but certainly a ridiculous length for a CRJ.
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3): eh but does a CR7 really make sense on LAX-SAN? (of course most say LAX-SAN doesn't make sense)
I figure it must be economically viable if, currently, between OO (operating in this case as part of Delta Connection and United Express) and MQ, there are 25 flights each way between LAX and SAN.
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
When AA (MQ) launched PHX-LAX, all 4 flights were on 2 class CRJs. Now all 4 flights are on one class ERDs. I wonder if DL is starting to steal premium passengers from AA while they are in BK - or - if this is a strategy to see if these routes can support a 2 class product.
Speaking of DL strategies, I thought it would be interesting if DL attempted to acquire B6 (and their JFK slots & terminal) while AA was in BK. Seems like it would solve the terminal issue at JFK and provide them with a commanding share of the JFK market.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 764 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5870 times:
Quoting EricR (Reply 18): Speaking of DL strategies, I thought it would be interesting if DL attempted to acquire B6 (and there JFK slots & terminal) while AA was in BK. Seems like it would solve the terminal issue at JFK and provide them with a commanding share of the JFK market.
Been thinking this same thing for a long time, but let's start another topic!
bomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5852 times:
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 19): Speaking of DL strategies, I thought it would be interesting if DL attempted to acquire B6 (and there JFK slots & terminal) while AA was in BK. Seems like it would solve the terminal issue at JFK and provide them with a commanding share of the JFK market.
I highly doubt this would ever pass through the Regulators. That would give DL just way too much market share for NYC with them already having a big operation at JFK and another big operation at LGA.
zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5770 times:
Here I was thinking that DL was re-introducing 3 class service on international flights!
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
Quoting bomber996 (Reply 20): I highly doubt this would ever pass through the Regulators. That would give DL just way too much market share for NYC with them already having a big operation at JFK and another big operation at LGA.
Perhaps. However if you are using the entire NYC area as a benchmark, considering UA's massive hub at EWR and AA's large presence at LGA, I would be surprised if DL's entire share of the NYC market exceeded 50% if such a merger took place.
quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4660 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 9): On the 4th June 2012,:
LAS: 9x CR9
OAK: 4x CR9
PHX: 4x CR7
SMF: 4x CRJ *upgauged to 4x CR7 on 11 July 2012
SFO: 6x CR7; 4x CR9; 1x 738
MCI: 1x CR9
SLC: 2x CR9; 3x 757; 1x 73H; 1x 320
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4559 times:
Quoting C767P (Reply 15):
Everyone said that in Feburary 2010 when DL resumed LAX-SAN.
true, I just think they will go back to CRJs. I am truly hopping they are pulling the CRJs to start LAX-FAT/SBA/MRY which they lost with the dumping of the MQ codeshare.
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17):
I figure it must be economically viable if, currently, between OO (operating in this case as part of Delta Connection and United Express) and MQ, there are 25 flights each way between LAX and SAN.
true.
Quoting panamair (Reply 12):
LAX-SFO this time round actually started in summer 2010, with 4x daily flights, not last summer. I believe that last summer was already up to at least 8 or 9x daily (or maybe even more).
yep. 11x daily i do believe. Mainline is back this summer.
Quoting jetlanta (Reply 10):
The CR9 carries exactly the same number of passengers in exactly the same configuration, but the CR9 is about a 1,000lbs lighter. My understanding is that the CR9 economics are generally superior.
I do believe so, it just happens that the E-jets are a nicer ride.
Quoting FL787 (Reply 4):
You may get your wish soon.
haha good call.
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laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3752 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3424 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 24): yep. 11x daily i do believe. Mainline is back this summer.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2908 times:
Quoting laca773 (Reply 25): It is 11 DeltaL1011man. It's in my posting above.
i was talking about last summer. It was 11x or 12x daily. All CRJ-700/900
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2939 times:
Quoting EricR (Reply 18): When AA (MQ) launched PHX-LAX, all 4 flights were on 2 class CRJs. Now all 4 flights are on one class ERDs. I wonder if DL is starting to steal premium passengers from AA while they are in BK - or - if this is a strategy to see if these routes can support a 2 class product.
50 seats RJs are a dead product. They are inefficient and make no financial sense. AA would love nothing more than to rid of them, but it only has 47 CR7s to work with, and must ration them accordingly. DL is very lucky in that it has a lot of large RJs to work with. 3-5 years, I'd be shocked if AA, DL and UA are flying many sub-50 seats RJs. That flying is best left for props.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16598 posts, RR: 11 Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2489 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28): A 77L to LAX from ATL? Where does it connect to after the first flight?
That might be a flight I want to take!
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1011 posts, RR: 2 Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
So does this mean that 100% of the domestic flights ex LAX now have WIFI?
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CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2008 posts, RR: 3 Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
A 77L to LAX from ATL? Where does it connect to after the first flight?
That might be a flight I want to take!
BDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1637 times:
I truly wonder what DL's plans are for LAX. I know this year's Flight Plan calls for 'defining a west coast strategy' in regards to LAX. At a town hall meeting a while back a SVP touched on the subject and said that Delta's main issue at LAX currently is gate space and that it is very crowded at certain times of the day and that is making it difficult to add flights.
He also mentioned LAXPVG but said there's too many carriers flying it currently and AA would need to drop it first. Of course this was said before AA entered bankruptcy and said they were going to beef up service in cornerstone markets by 20% so I doubt American is going to be dropping LAXPVG.
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 481 posts, RR: 0 Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1604 times:
Yes and no, the two class RJ fleet is still going thru mods and I don't know when all of them are going to be done. As soon as they finish all flights out of LAX will have wifi. That is something they can market because none of the other carriers can claim that yet till WN finishes up with its entire fleet.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1576 times:
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1474 times:
Quoting BDL757 (Reply 36):
I concur. They just need to do something about acquiring more gate space.
I can think of a way to do that.....buuutt I'll make some airline fan boys on here mad so I'll walk away.
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