panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2603 posts, RR: 10 Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4443 times:
I found the flights before any announcement was made some years ago by NW. They were discontinued sometime after that, and it appears they're back at it with a once daily CR9, as far as I can see. Starts 9/4.
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4184 times:
odd start date, I would have guessed summer seasonal first...
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jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3962 times:
Is there really enough demand to justify that route instead of just connecting those passengers through DTW?
rl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
I wonder if this will be in exchange for their CVG flight....
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lat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 447 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
A MSP flight for SYR like down here at PVD offers one stop connections to quite a few cities in the West that would have taken two plane changes to get to otherwise. We lose ours for a couple months each Winter, but it is an important flight and I suspect, not filled with $119. Ticket holders. Fill her up!
teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6910 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
NW & DL have been had several of these on-again, off-again routes out of MSP that overfly DTW into some of the mid-size cities in the northeast and mid-Atlantic.
Cities like SYR, ROC, ALB, MDT, RIC all have had service to MSP at various times. Sometimes only seasonal, these cities usually only see 1 flight a day, typically a RON. The overflying of DTW offers better connections to the Pacific NW, Northern Plains, Upper Midwest, and Canada. That being said, these overflights are over the 750 miles, where DL will only fly them with a 2-class aircraft. Good to see SYR come back.
MSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1591 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3151 times:
Nice to see a return of service to MSP. And post-summer too. MSP offers considerably more than DTW (and sometimes ATL) to areas west of the Mississippi River, so this is great for connectivity. Hopefully it sticks.
jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3105 times:
Personally, I like flying on RJs, but that's just because I don't fly on them that often, and I like that they sometimes board from airstairs, and that there is more of a chance of getting a seat near the front. There's also the advantage of not having the chaos of people trying to shove huge bags into voerhead bins, because most of that stuff is gatechecked, at least on the smaller CRJs.
type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4397 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
I hate it when they say it's a "direct" flight when it is really "non-stop". The media should learn the difference.
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thegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15): Expect? No, though up until fairly recently NW would fly DC9-50s into SYR.
Where did NWA fly DC-9-50's from? DTW? I doubt it was from MSP.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Nothing against regional airlines - as regional airlines. But when a mainline "pretends" that a regional is all part of the same mainline company, I do object to that.
How is Delta pretending when it is called Delta Connection and your boarding pass says "Operated by XYZ Airlines"? This has been going since 1967 when Allegheny Airlines started Allegheny Commuter which was flown by Henson Airlines.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 13):
Do you really expect to see DL flying mainline aircraft SYR-MSP? Regionals are a necessary part of aviation in this country. I don't understand what you people have against regional airlines. Would you rather have less air service to your small town? Regionals are here to stay, get over it.
When the plane that is flying the route replaced mainline jets close in size.....yep.
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slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
cool. I hope they can make it stick. MSP has such good connection options i really think they should be able to make it work
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6910 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2305 times:
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 17):
Where did NWA fly DC-9-50's from? DTW? I doubt it was from MSP.
NW started flying MSP-SYR about 7-8 years ago with a CRJ. As long as NW operated this route, which was sometimes seasonal, it was always a CRJ.
Only now under DL with the self-imposed rule requiring 2-class aircraft on routes greater than 750 miles, have they flown anything larger. At 860 miles, they now put a CR9 on the route.
NW used to have some rather long CRJ flights, particularly from MSP. Routes like MSP-MDT, RIC, SYR, ALB, and even stuff like SLC, GEG, IDA, COS used to get CRJ-200's.
BAC111 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
Quoting type-rated (Reply 16): I hate it when they say it's a "direct" flight when it is really "non-stop". The media should learn the difference.
Good luck with that. The general public is the same way on the terminology. I've given up expecting otherwise.
B727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 513 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Here at SYR we'll take anything we can get. JetBlue has helped, but NWA and now Continentail is gone. It just raises the prices for the smaller cities.
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
Interesting that SYR is just now getting a flight to MSP. ALB has had the route year round since around 2003 now, and IIRC started out as 2x CRJ. After the merger, DL flew ALB-MSP with a DC9 then swapped it with a E175 or a CR9.
CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2008 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
NW used to have some rather long CRJ flights, particularly from MSP. Routes like MSP-MDT, RIC, SYR, ALB, and even stuff like SLC, GEG, IDA, COS used to get CRJ-200's.
they had MSP-PNS one time too, I flew it...that was a loooooooooooong flight to be stuck in a CRJ on!
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 17): How is Delta pretending when it is called Delta Connection and your boarding pass says "Operated by XYZ Airlines"?
Delta has made a point of making sure that it's regional carriers do nothing to identify themselves as anything other than Delta Connection. You'll never hear the crew announce what airline they actually work for, you'll never see a regional carrier's inflight magazine in the seatback pocket, etc.
This is not the case with United, and I believe it's not the case at US either.
-Mir
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mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9273 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2056 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 8): Fact is, DL is simply selling the tickets, not doing the flying.
And in many cases, DL is working the gates and the ramp.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15): Nothing against regional airlines - as regional airlines. But when a mainline "pretends" that a regional is all part of the same mainline company, I do object to that.
Who's pretending? On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight. If the pax haven't figured out who it is by then, then they can stare at the F/A's uniform or the flight crew and figure it out.
Don't know about you, but I've never seen or heard DL "pretend" that the regionals were part of the mainline company, with TWO exceptions.......EV & OH.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21290 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1954 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15): Expect? No, though up until fairly recently NW would fly DC9-50s into SYR.
The D95 is not capable of operating SYR-MSP reliably year-round.
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N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27): The D95 is not capable of operating SYR-MSP reliably year-round.
I don't believe that to be the case - TW used to fly DC9-50s EWR-STL all the time.
Quoting mayor (Reply 26): And in many cases, DL is working the gates and the ramp.
At SYR? Those are DL employees???? (I honestly don't know.)
Quoting mayor (Reply 26): Who's pretending? On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight. If the pax haven't figured out who it is by then, then they can stare at the F/A's uniform or the flight crew and figure it out.
I have my point of view on this matter, you have yours.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 26): On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight.
That's about as clear as the warning to keep clear of the AOA vane. Even the ship number is about ten times larger and more readable. If you didn't know what you were looking for, you'd miss it (and you'd probably miss it anyway since CRJs are boarded mostly from jetways these days).
What is it about saying "welcome aboard this Delta Connection [insert name of airline here] flight" that is so anathema?
-Mir
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21290 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 29): What is it about saying "welcome aboard this Delta Connection [insert name of airline here] flight" that is so anathema?
The low quality of some regionals - carriers like OO and RP always announce who they are.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 28): I don't believe that to be the case
You need only have spent some time in places like BNA or CLT when NW flew -9s to MSP out of there. The -30 was always OK. The -40 was generally OK (though there weren't many of those). The -50 could take massive weight restrictions. BNA-MSP is quite a bit shorter than SYR-MSP.
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laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3752 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1798 times:
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 13): Do you really expect to see DL flying mainline aircraft SYR-MSP? Regionals are a necessary part of aviation in this country. I don't understand what you people have against regional airlines. Would you rather have less air service to your small town? Regionals are here to stay, get over it.
If DL decides to buy the E90 and fly it mainline, then perhaps a route like this will go mainline, however until this happens, be lucky DL is willing to re-start with a nicer CR9 versus a CRJ (if you want to call a CRJ nice in any event?).
25 mayor: I didn't say SYR.....I said "in many cases" in response to the poster's allegation that all DL did was "sell the tickets". But it IS there. Short of
26 Cubsrule: OO and the Republic Group carriers do so. 9E and EV don't announce so much.
27 N62NA: I have a boatload of additional comments I could make, but there is a particular aversion by some on here to discussing the whole "regional / mainlin
28 SSTeve: Yeah, OO has their magazine in the seatback, too, even for Delta. I think the one time I flew them was SLC-SAN after we had an MD-90 pull at 180 and r
29 mayor: But it wasn't me that went "off" topic.......I just commented on the fact that, in many cases, DL IS NOT just selling tickets.
30 Mir: Don't know about RP, but OO did not announce anything as to who they actually were (I was listening for it on both of my flights) when I flew them un
31 mayor: These two instances don't mean that they don't.....just they didn't on these occasions. When my daughter first started flying for OO, she kept forget
32 thegoldenargosy: That must have been an error on OO's part. The magazine is only boarded on United flights, Delta doesn't want any other branding besides their own. W
33 SSTeve: My memory is likely faulty. Thanks for the correction... mea culpa.
34 thegoldenargosy: Actually it happens once in awhile were branding issues like the SkyWest magazines or United napkins end up on a DL flight, so you might be right. It
35 N62NA: Thanks for admitting that DL doesn't operate the flight.
36 B4REAL: Oh, that does indeed happen. It's quite entertaining. Many times people don't understand that RJ planeside valet luggage service is not checking a ba
38 srbmod: Since some of the participants in this discussion would rather discuss the entire mainline v. regional argument instead of the topic, this thread is n
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