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1st QF A380 Off To MNL For Reconfiguration 29/04  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17434 times:

Hi all,

With Nancy Bird returning to revenue service this week, VH-OQD will be the 1st A380 to under go reconfiguration and will be ferried to MNL on the 29/04

The new configure will continue to have First Class, however will feature a reduced Business Class cabin, increased Premium Economy and Economy Class cabin

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-25 00:42:38]


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2607 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17255 times:

Please help me, is this the reconfiguration where they want to remove first class or parts of it?

VH-OQD was delivered on August 22nd 2009, about 2 1/2 years ago. Someone working in XFW said about the required modification works"have fun, they'll need a jackhammer to remove the first class seats...."


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17204 times:

Any idea how many seats total VH-OQD will have after she is reconfigured? I'll be interested in seeing, once all the current A380 orders are filled, which airline packs the A380 the most. Its a pity WN doesn't operate the A380.....I'd like to see 1) the WN livery on an A380 and 2) an A380 with 850+ seats!   Too bad WN will never operate anything this big...

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17187 times:

As EK413 said above this is not about First class, it is just removing a little bit of J at the back and moving W forward and putting in a little cabin of Y at the rear.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17106 times:

The new configure will feature 14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-25 01:40:00]


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4709 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17037 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
The new configure will feature 14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

How many aircraft will eventually receive this configuration?

And will this first frame rotate around the system or stick to LHR and maybe HKG?



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16984 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
How many aircraft will eventually receive this configuration?

All 12. My bet is that the 2 frames due next year will be the first delivered with this configuration (assuming QF doesn't press on with the three class idea, which doesn't make sense to me with only two frames).


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16972 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):

At this point in time have no details regarding the aircrafts rotation and how many will under go reconfiguration, will update info once confirmed...

EK413



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16973 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 2):
Any idea how many seats total VH-OQD will have after she is reconfigured? I'll be interested in seeing, once all the current A380 orders are filled, which airline packs the A380 the most. Its a pity WN doesn't operate the A380.....I'd like to see 1) the WN livery on an A380 and 2) an A380 with 850+ seats! Too bad WN will never operate anything this big...

Air Austral were looking at something like 750 / 775 in their frames but, they're apparantly in financial dificulties so may never take delivery. I think that some EK frames are going to have over 600 seats soon (or did I imagine this?)


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16957 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):

Doesn't make any sense at all... Unless there are plans to operate the A380s on the SYD-SIN-FRA route or BNE-LAX...

EK413



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User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16861 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

Maybe it will be a kid-free section!   


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 16824 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 10):

Probably a codeshare on MH KUL-LHR providing a kids free Y/C cabin...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 16803 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):
Doesn't make any sense at all... Unless there are plans to operate the A380s on the SYD-SIN-FRA route or BNE-LAX...

A dedicated subfleet of two aircraft for SYD-DFW would be the only way we could see these in three class config IMO...


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 16504 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):

There's always been talk about the A380 operating the SYD-DFW services however I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 16350 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

The two aircraft coming next year have a higher gross weight, so will outperform the existing fleet. If QF wants to use the A380 to DFW, they would want to use their aircraft wherever possible. That in mind, it could make sense for them to have a dedicated configuration, given the timing work well for a dedicated subfleet.

Having said that, I still think it's unlikely that they will have just 2 frames without F. It restricts them too much...


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 16333 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
The two aircraft coming next year have a higher gross weight

Are they going to have the twisted wing or is that not ready yet?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 16157 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):

Totally agree...

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 15):

Twisted wing...? I'm intrigued...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 15993 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 15):
Are they going to have the twisted wing or is that not ready yet?

Yes, the 4t increase in HGW and the 1.5° increase in the wing twist are all part of the same upgrades... I think BA or EK are the first customers to get this variant early next year...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Twisted wing...? I'm intrigued...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_twist


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9912 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):

I disagree. First isn't sold to DFW. It makes total sense to use those two aircraft to DFW, and have them captive to that route for range reasons. If they are captive to the DFW route then why would you even consider putting first class seats in them to then sell them as business? I expect when one of those A380s go into maintenance selling first as business and load restrictions are going to be the order of the day.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
(assuming QF doesn't press on with the three class idea, which doesn't make sense to me with only two frames).
Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
There's always been talk about the A380 operating the SYD-DFW services however I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

Agreed. What I could see happening is QF swapping out an A380 on the DFW, run just like what they've done with Hong Kong, and make it a mixed 744/A380 route. That would give them say 3 services per week on the A380 and 4 on the 744. That would mean only 1 A380 dedicated to DFW and with the other one, assuming SYD-HKG becomes daily A380, you'd still have spare A380 capacity in case one went tech so you wouldn't have to cover an A380 service with a 744. And if SYD-HKG doesn't become daily A380 you have even more spare capacity to cover technical problems or to re-deploy elsewhere, say on SYD-JNB.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

What's also interesting is that by the end next year the QF long haul fleet is planned to consist of 14 A380's and 9 744's so a net reduction of 7 4 hole frames compared to the peak of 30 744's. With the re-deployment of international configured A332's & A333's to the domestic market, the contraction of QF International is really becoming evident.

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
a mixed 744/A380

That depends mostly on demand.

I expect demand to be strong enough to DFW to justify a daily A380 from SYD. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if there is enough demand that this needs to be supplemented somehow. Perhaps a 787 from BNE.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 20):
the contraction of QF International is really becoming evident.

Indeed. And should concern the board. Even though the 787 is coming and will replace some of that capacity.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 18):

It could go either way... There are strong arguments for both sides, so we'll just have to wait and see.

JNB might be the more logical route for the A380, given it's virtually the only 744 route that QF still sells F on. It seems to be quite a lucrative route at times, so QF might want to keep F going there, and the A380 will be their only option... DFW could then continue as is with a 744ER and move to double daily 787 from both SYD and BNE in a few years.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
What I could see happening is QF swapping out an A380 on the DFW, run just like what they've done with Hong Kong, and make it a mixed 744/A380 route.

Half the point of using the A380 to DFW is to cut out the BNE stop on the return. Having mixed ops would mean that some flights would have to continue via BNE, while others could operate nonstop to SYD. A mixed schedule might work well, I don't know, but QF would much prefer to fly nonstop to SYD and cut out BNE altogether.

And hopefully HKG will be a daily A380 later this year  


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
JNB might be the more logical route for the A380, given it's virtually the only 744 route that QF still sells F on

You know what? That actually seems like it was likely what Alan Joyce was planning.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
DFW could then continue as is with a 744ER and move to double daily 787 from both SYD and BNE in a few years.

If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4709 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

Does anyone have a new seat map for this configuration? It's just that looking at the current 72J/32W configuration I can't for the life of me figure out how they've removed 8 seats in J and added 3 in W.
http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...urAircraft/A380-14F72J32PY332Y.pdf

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.

I see your point.

Can someone remind me when QF (mainline) gets its first 787? Presuming that demand continues to rise until they can go double daily then I guess it will have to be an A380.

I guess if they need to go A380 to DFW then F will be sold as J and some J sold as W, maybe with some W sold as Y. This will obviously have to depend on the position of the bulkheads in J and W.



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25 qf002 : They have expanded this route very rapidly already, and the 744 reconfigurations are adding 60 seats to each flight as it is... AKL-IAH will also sta
26 Sydscott : Agreed. But the point of having it mixed is to gradually build the premium side without sacrificing the back. That's going to be the essential differ
27 Post contains images qf744fan : The way things have been going at my beloved Flying Kangaroo recently, I would almost not be surprised to see this plane come back to Sydney from Mani
28 RyanairGuru : Thanks, that makes sense now. This configuration means that there is very little "flexibility" built into the the layout. Unless they went with 32J/4
29 thegeek : If that happens either they will need to bring the 744 back on to SYD-PER or there will need to be a W routing SYD-JNB-PER-JNB-SYD. The latter would
30 RyanairGuru : Did you mean A330?
31 Post contains images qf002 : The simplest thing to do would be to schedule a stop for the existing flight 2-3 days a week. That way they can continue to service SYD daily and pic
32 thegeek : No, I meant A380. A330 is only slightly less unlikely.
33 SInGAPORE_AIR : How many A380s are being reconfigured ?
34 eoinnz : A toilet is being removed so there will only be one I believe the extra seats are actually in the larger section on the AB and JK sides as 2 toilets
35 Post contains images Sydscott : That's what I would have thought but that would also depend on how many pax were travelling on QF's SYD service that were put there by SAA. It could
36 ZuluAlpha : I'd agree with that as well. With the current 6 x a week with the 744's, the 789 should, we hope make it daily out of BNE
37 RyanairGuru : I could feel my blood pressure rising and was about to start a rant..............and then I saw the second part!!! All of them Just thinking speculat
38 thegeek : 6x 744 to 7x 789 is a significant downgauge. I think a mixed type on the route is more likely. And where will the 9x 744s be used? SYD-NRT and SYD-SI
39 ZK-NBT : Those 2 routes don't even come into consideration for the current planned use of the 9 744s. They are slated to initially be used on BNE-LAX x2 SYD-L
40 ADDICT4QF : The current plan is to use A380 #13 and #14 on QF107/108. However, anything can happen due to demand, capacity, competition etc.!
41 qf002 : Not if they add a dedicated DFW service at the same time. BNE today has 2250 weekly seats to North America (all to LAX). Having 11 or 12 789 flights
42 ZK-NBT : Will they introduce Y+ to the A330 fleet? Maybe higher frequency A330s on BNE-SIN and SYD-NRT with Y+ fitted? JQ get their first 788s next year meani
43 thegeek : Which they want to retire, sooner rather than later. Your list of the routes really shows how stretched the VLA fleet is going to be! When they do ge
44 qf002 : QF won't get 787's until 2015/16, so BNE-LAX will have to remain a 744 until then. The A330 fleet is stretched as it is, I guess they are counting on
45 EK413 : I guess BA will benefit ordering the later version of the A380 as opposed to being one of the launch carriers... From memory didn't QF operate a stro
46 Post contains links thegeek : But JQ are getting them next year. I wonder if some BNE-LAX frequencies will go over to JQ?? If they aren't selling first, why not? I guess it depend
47 Sydscott : I believe it was 30 744's and 6 743's. I don't think QF has operated more than 30 744's. Again, I would agree that that makes the most logical sense
48 Post contains images qf002 : Apparently QF actively wants to cut back F supply on this route, and are more than happy with the 60 seat increase that the reconfigured 744's will p
49 thegeek : Because it makes more sense to reduce frequencies on a route which is above daily as compared to one which is below daily. Also, SYD-LAX gets a bette
50 Post contains images EK413 : I am well aware he was referring to the current fleet count, I was referring to how many B744 aircraft QF had prior to the retirements... I may have
51 thegeek : Perhaps VH-NLH, although that left before VH-OEJ arrived. ex-OZ and ex-MH are included in the 30 744s. Only real thing I can think of is perhaps ther
52 Sydscott : Makes sense. Especially if you only then have to sell 14 F seats a day. I know it's been advocated to death, but given Jetstar has DRW & SIN to M
53 ZK-NBT : In 2000 QF had 24 744s 6 743s 5 742s including 1 at FJ and 2 74Ls, that is 37 but as I say does include a 742 leased to FJ, infact it was 2 leased to
54 Sydscott : That's probably what EK was recalling just with the wrong 747 types. I remember those 742's quite well! It'll be interesting to see what they do. The
55 thegeek : It would be a bizarre strategy for QF group to cut it and then bring it back within 2 years. Way to maximise your change over costs. I think the same
56 EK413 : I personally see QF return to these routes with JQ once the B787 fleet arrive... EK413
57 windshear : Oh yes I could work with that!
58 Sydscott : I think SYD-SFO is an ideal JQ 787 route. (Or an ideal QF 789 route but we know which way QF are currently going!) As for AKL-LAX, JQ is all about As
59 EK413 : VH-OQD ETD 1910 will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it's scheduled reconfiguration works on the 28th of April and it will include a 18 day 'C' che
60 Airvan00 : Didn't VH-OQD already have its "C" check when it was in FRA from 4/8/2011 to 26/8/11? (it was delivered in Aug 2009) OQE and F have already trekked o
61 EK413 : This is the information I've received unless this involves wing crack checks... EK413
62 Sydscott : I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure I read that 3 QF A380's are scheduled to be checked this year under the AIrworthiness directive issued ov
63 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Probably a stupid question, but why doesn't QF operate these as regular flights? I realise there is no aircraft to return the journey but surely they
64 thegeek : Probably because of the cabin crew which will need to deadhead back. Note they have done it in the way you describe when retiring 747s SYD-LAX-VCV. S
65 Revelation : So is the shift to more Economy a sign that the A380 does not command the premium it once did?
66 EK413 : More than likely considering the amount of time the aircraft will spend in MNL... Reconfiguring an aircraft doesn't usually take 18 days...? QF alrea
67 RyanairGuru : I'd say its more likely that in the current economic climate that J demand - across the board - isn't what it once was.
68 Post contains links EK413 : A photo of the 1st QF A380 to under go re-configure in MNL VH-OQD... Not the best quality... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=856204&
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