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1st QF A380 Off To MNL For Reconfiguration 29/04  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17655 times:

Hi all,

With Nancy Bird returning to revenue service this week, VH-OQD will be the 1st A380 to under go reconfiguration and will be ferried to MNL on the 29/04

The new configure will continue to have First Class, however will feature a reduced Business Class cabin, increased Premium Economy and Economy Class cabin

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-25 00:42:38]


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

Please help me, is this the reconfiguration where they want to remove first class or parts of it?

VH-OQD was delivered on August 22nd 2009, about 2 1/2 years ago. Someone working in XFW said about the required modification works"have fun, they'll need a jackhammer to remove the first class seats...."


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17425 times:

Any idea how many seats total VH-OQD will have after she is reconfigured? I'll be interested in seeing, once all the current A380 orders are filled, which airline packs the A380 the most. Its a pity WN doesn't operate the A380.....I'd like to see 1) the WN livery on an A380 and 2) an A380 with 850+ seats!   Too bad WN will never operate anything this big...

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17408 times:

As EK413 said above this is not about First class, it is just removing a little bit of J at the back and moving W forward and putting in a little cabin of Y at the rear.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17327 times:

The new configure will feature 14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-25 01:40:00]


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17258 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
The new configure will feature 14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

How many aircraft will eventually receive this configuration?

And will this first frame rotate around the system or stick to LHR and maybe HKG?



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17205 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
How many aircraft will eventually receive this configuration?

All 12. My bet is that the 2 frames due next year will be the first delivered with this configuration (assuming QF doesn't press on with the three class idea, which doesn't make sense to me with only two frames).


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17193 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):

At this point in time have no details regarding the aircrafts rotation and how many will under go reconfiguration, will update info once confirmed...

EK413



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17194 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 2):
Any idea how many seats total VH-OQD will have after she is reconfigured? I'll be interested in seeing, once all the current A380 orders are filled, which airline packs the A380 the most. Its a pity WN doesn't operate the A380.....I'd like to see 1) the WN livery on an A380 and 2) an A380 with 850+ seats! Too bad WN will never operate anything this big...

Air Austral were looking at something like 750 / 775 in their frames but, they're apparantly in financial dificulties so may never take delivery. I think that some EK frames are going to have over 600 seats soon (or did I imagine this?)


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17178 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):

Doesn't make any sense at all... Unless there are plans to operate the A380s on the SYD-SIN-FRA route or BNE-LAX...

EK413



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User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17082 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

Maybe it will be a kid-free section!   


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17045 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 10):

Probably a codeshare on MH KUL-LHR providing a kids free Y/C cabin...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17024 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):
Doesn't make any sense at all... Unless there are plans to operate the A380s on the SYD-SIN-FRA route or BNE-LAX...

A dedicated subfleet of two aircraft for SYD-DFW would be the only way we could see these in three class config IMO...


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16725 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):

There's always been talk about the A380 operating the SYD-DFW services however I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16571 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

The two aircraft coming next year have a higher gross weight, so will outperform the existing fleet. If QF wants to use the A380 to DFW, they would want to use their aircraft wherever possible. That in mind, it could make sense for them to have a dedicated configuration, given the timing work well for a dedicated subfleet.

Having said that, I still think it's unlikely that they will have just 2 frames without F. It restricts them too much...


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 16554 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
The two aircraft coming next year have a higher gross weight

Are they going to have the twisted wing or is that not ready yet?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 16378 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):

Totally agree...

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 15):

Twisted wing...? I'm intrigued...

EK413



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16214 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 15):
Are they going to have the twisted wing or is that not ready yet?

Yes, the 4t increase in HGW and the 1.5° increase in the wing twist are all part of the same upgrades... I think BA or EK are the first customers to get this variant early next year...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Twisted wing...? I'm intrigued...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_twist


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):

I disagree. First isn't sold to DFW. It makes total sense to use those two aircraft to DFW, and have them captive to that route for range reasons. If they are captive to the DFW route then why would you even consider putting first class seats in them to then sell them as business? I expect when one of those A380s go into maintenance selling first as business and load restrictions are going to be the order of the day.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9989 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
(assuming QF doesn't press on with the three class idea, which doesn't make sense to me with only two frames).
Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
There's always been talk about the A380 operating the SYD-DFW services however I don't see how 2 frames dedicated to this route could be justified...

Agreed. What I could see happening is QF swapping out an A380 on the DFW, run just like what they've done with Hong Kong, and make it a mixed 744/A380 route. That would give them say 3 services per week on the A380 and 4 on the 744. That would mean only 1 A380 dedicated to DFW and with the other one, assuming SYD-HKG becomes daily A380, you'd still have spare A380 capacity in case one went tech so you wouldn't have to cover an A380 service with a 744. And if SYD-HKG doesn't become daily A380 you have even more spare capacity to cover technical problems or to re-deploy elsewhere, say on SYD-JNB.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

What's also interesting is that by the end next year the QF long haul fleet is planned to consist of 14 A380's and 9 744's so a net reduction of 7 4 hole frames compared to the peak of 30 744's. With the re-deployment of international configured A332's & A333's to the domestic market, the contraction of QF International is really becoming evident.

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
a mixed 744/A380

That depends mostly on demand.

I expect demand to be strong enough to DFW to justify a daily A380 from SYD. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if there is enough demand that this needs to be supplemented somehow. Perhaps a 787 from BNE.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 20):
the contraction of QF International is really becoming evident.

Indeed. And should concern the board. Even though the 787 is coming and will replace some of that capacity.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 18):

It could go either way... There are strong arguments for both sides, so we'll just have to wait and see.

JNB might be the more logical route for the A380, given it's virtually the only 744 route that QF still sells F on. It seems to be quite a lucrative route at times, so QF might want to keep F going there, and the A380 will be their only option... DFW could then continue as is with a 744ER and move to double daily 787 from both SYD and BNE in a few years.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
What I could see happening is QF swapping out an A380 on the DFW, run just like what they've done with Hong Kong, and make it a mixed 744/A380 route.

Half the point of using the A380 to DFW is to cut out the BNE stop on the return. Having mixed ops would mean that some flights would have to continue via BNE, while others could operate nonstop to SYD. A mixed schedule might work well, I don't know, but QF would much prefer to fly nonstop to SYD and cut out BNE altogether.

And hopefully HKG will be a daily A380 later this year  


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9298 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
JNB might be the more logical route for the A380, given it's virtually the only 744 route that QF still sells F on

You know what? That actually seems like it was likely what Alan Joyce was planning.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
DFW could then continue as is with a 744ER and move to double daily 787 from both SYD and BNE in a few years.

If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

Does anyone have a new seat map for this configuration? It's just that looking at the current 72J/32W configuration I can't for the life of me figure out how they've removed 8 seats in J and added 3 in W.
http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...urAircraft/A380-14F72J32PY332Y.pdf

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.

I see your point.

Can someone remind me when QF (mainline) gets its first 787? Presuming that demand continues to rise until they can go double daily then I guess it will have to be an A380.

I guess if they need to go A380 to DFW then F will be sold as J and some J sold as W, maybe with some W sold as Y. This will obviously have to depend on the position of the bulkheads in J and W.



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8999 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.

They have expanded this route very rapidly already, and the 744 reconfigurations are adding 60 seats to each flight as it is... AKL-IAH will also start soon, and might impact their loads.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 24):
Does anyone have a new seat map for this configuration? It's just that looking at the current 72J/32W configuration I can't for the life of me figure out how they've removed 8 seats in J and added 3 in W.
http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...urAircraft/A380-14F72J32PY332Y.pdf

The central upstairs galley will shrink, and 4 J seats will be fitted at the front of the main cabin.

W will fill from D2 back (5 rows of 7 seats), in the space freed up by the removal of 12 J seats.

Y will fill out the rest of the upper deck (3 rows of 8 and a couple of pairs next to the galley like the current W configuration). W and Y will probably share the two bathrooms at the rear of the upper deck.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 24):
Can someone remind me when QF (mainline) gets its first 787? Presuming that demand continues to rise until they can go double daily then I guess it will have to be an A380.

Lyell Strambi indicated last year that QF are scheduled to get their first 787's when the -9's start arriving (probably in 2015) -- these might be brand new -9's, or -8's transferred over from JQ. These plans appear to be very flexible though, so who knows what will actually happen...


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
Half the point of using the A380 to DFW is to cut out the BNE stop on the return. Having mixed ops would mean that some flights would have to continue via BNE, while others could operate nonstop to SYD. A mixed schedule might work well, I don't know, but QF would much prefer to fly nonstop to SYD and cut out BNE altogether.

Agreed. But the point of having it mixed is to gradually build the premium side without sacrificing the back. That's going to be the essential difference between the A380 and the 744 so I would have thought QF would gradually build them in to the schedule even with the 744 still having the stop in BNE. But we'll see what happens. It certainly gives QF opportunities.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
JNB might be the more logical route for the A380, given it's virtually the only 744 route that QF still sells F on

It'll be interesting to see what they do when the SAA codeshare ends. Surely QF will have to move back onto PER-JNB and the obvious aircraft to do that with is the 744. So maybe QF will cut SYD-JNB frequency but use the A380 while they add say 3 744 frequencies a week out of PER? Who knows but it's a market QF can't afford not to serve.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):
And hopefully HKG will be a daily A380 later this year

I'd hope so too. Does anyone have an idea of how the A380 is going on HKG vs the 744? Is the A380 load factor higher or is not really making a difference?

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
If the success of the DFW route continues once it goes daily, I think Alan Joyce/QF will have to change up. Otherwise there would be insufficient capacity for the demand.

Looking long terms he could potentiall have a daily A380 on SYD-DFW and a 787 service from BNE and MEL. You could then add a second daily SYD-DFW on the 787 and have a mixed operation. Presumably if the A380 is successfully deployed on DFW and it takes East Coast connections away from LAX you would see QF107/108 and the New York tag downgraded from the 744 down to the 787?


User currently offlineqf744fan From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

The way things have been going at my beloved Flying Kangaroo recently, I would almost not be surprised to see this plane come back to Sydney from Manila in JQ colours  

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 25):
The central upstairs galley will shrink, and 4 J seats will be fitted at the front of the main cabin.

W will fill from D2 back (5 rows of 7 seats), in the space freed up by the removal of 12 J seats.

Y will fill out the rest of the upper deck (3 rows of 8 and a couple of pairs next to the galley like the current W configuration). W and Y will probably share the two bathrooms at the rear of the upper deck.

Thanks, that makes sense now.

This configuration means that there is very little "flexibility" built into the the layout. Unless they went with 32J/42W/406Y with J being F+D1-2, W D2-3 and Y everything behind D3 then I can't see how they could successfully "eliminate" F. I think that 32J would simply be too small (does anyone know what the J LF is for DFW?) meaning that either (a) 2 frames are delivered in a 2 class configuration or (b) no A380 for DFW. I think the latter is more likely. If there is an overwhelming need for additional capacity I'd say we're more likely to see BNE-DFW-BNE 3x74E (presuming that there is sufficient 747 slack)



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
Surely QF will have to move back onto PER-JNB and the obvious aircraft to do that with is the 744.

If that happens either they will need to bring the 744 back on to SYD-PER or there will need to be a W routing SYD-JNB-PER-JNB-SYD. The latter would mean that the A380 can't replace the 744 completely on SYD-JNB. I guess a third option would be an A380 on PER-JNB but that seems very unlikely.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8179 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 29):
I guess a third option would be an A380 on PER-JNB but that seems very unlikely

Did you mean A330?



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
Who knows but it's a market QF can't afford not to serve.

The simplest thing to do would be to schedule a stop for the existing flight 2-3 days a week. That way they can continue to service SYD daily and pick up passengers in PER a few days a week. It also means that I can book a domestic A380 next time I'm headed to PER  
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
Does anyone have an idea of how the A380 is going on HKG vs the 744? Is the A380 load factor higher or is not really making a difference?

LF was 100% when I flew in Jan. This was around Chinese New Year though, and towards the end of the Australian School Holidays -- it still shows that the extra capacity is very useful at times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
QF107/108 and the New York tag downgraded from the 744 down to the 787?

I'd expect this anyway, by the time the 744's are gone at least. The LAX-JFK leg will probably be an early 787 route for QF, assuming they use them on BNE-LAX (which seems a sensible thing to do).

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 28):

Agreed. I don't think a dedicated subfleet is particularly worth it, given that there will be issues with maintenance and downtime that keep popping up and causing problems. If they desperately need to add capacity, then it's going to come largely at the cost of LAX passenger numbers so they will then simply readjust capacity as necessary.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 30):
Did you mean A330?

No, I meant A380.

A330 is only slightly less unlikely.


User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

How many A380s are being reconfigured ?


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User currently offlineeoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 25):
W and Y will probably share the two bathrooms at the rear of the upper deck.

A toilet is being removed so there will only be one

Quoting qf002 (Reply 25):
The central upstairs galley will shrink, and 4 J seats will be fitted at the front of the main cabin.

I believe the extra seats are actually in the larger section on the AB and JK sides as 2 toilets move back toward the rear for J class and in the middle along with a smaller galley units on the sides.

[Edited 2012-04-25 23:59:59]

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 31):
The simplest thing to do would be to schedule a stop for the existing flight 2-3 days a week. That way they can continue to service SYD daily and pick up passengers in PER a few days a week. It also means that I can book a domestic A380 next time I'm headed to PER

That's what I would have thought but that would also depend on how many pax were travelling on QF's SYD service that were put there by SAA. It could be that it's more profitable for QF to maintain its flight frequency from SYD and try to steal the East Coast bound SAA pax while at the same time building PER. From next year I presume SAA will codeshare with Virgin from PER so if QF can push them out it will be an even more lucrative route for them.  
Quoting qf002 (Reply 31):
I'd expect this anyway, by the time the 744's are gone at least. The LAX-JFK leg will probably be an early 787 route for QF, assuming they use them on BNE-LAX (which seems a sensible thing to do).

Or just make BNE-LAX a Jetstar 789 route..............I'm kidding, but seriously! I presume BNE-LAX is ultimately heading for a 787 in QF colours in the future.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 35):
I presume BNE-LAX is ultimately heading for a 787 in QF colours in the future.

I'd agree with that as well. With the current 6 x a week with the 744's, the 789 should, we hope make it daily out of BNE



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 35):
Or just make BNE-LAX a Jetstar 789 route..............I'm kidding

I could feel my blood pressure rising and was about to start a rant..............and then I saw the second part!!!

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 33):
How many A380s are being reconfigured ?



All of them

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 28):
If there is an overwhelming need for additional capacity I'd say we're more likely to see BNE-DFW-BNE 3x74E (presuming that there is sufficient 747 slack)
Quoting qf002 (Reply 31):
If they desperately need to add capacity, then it's going to come largely at the cost of LAX passenger numbers so they will then simply readjust capacity as necessary.

Just thinking speculatively thinking out load: maybe BNE-LAX could go to 5x allowing 2x BNE-DFW-BNE and I'm sure there must be some slack somewhere for an additional 1x flight (ie 48 hours + repositioning)

[Edited 2012-04-26 02:37:20]


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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 35):
BNE-LAX is ultimately heading for a 787

6x 744 to 7x 789 is a significant downgauge. I think a mixed type on the route is more likely. And where will the 9x 744s be used? SYD-NRT and SYD-SIN-FRA only use up 5.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 38):
6x 744 to 7x 789 is a significant downgauge. I think a mixed type on the route is more likely. And where will the 9x 744s be used? SYD-NRT and SYD-SIN-FRA only use up 5.

Those 2 routes don't even come into consideration for the current planned use of the 9 744s. They are slated to initially be used on
BNE-LAX x2
SYD-LAX-JFK x2
SYD-DFW x2
SYD-SCL x1
BNE-SIN x1

NRT, JNB and SIN-FRA in the mean time will use older 744s. I guess in the longer term as more A380s 787s are delivered this will free 744s for these routes. 2 A380s to be delivered next year IMO will be 4 class to fit in with the rest of the current fleet and could go on any of the mentioned routes IMO, DFW, JNB, SYD-LAX.

Re BNE-LAX what about a daily 789 from probably 2015 and BNE-DFW to be started then aswell 3 weekly to make up the lost capacity from LAX?


User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6341 times:

The current plan is to use A380 #13 and #14 on QF107/108.

However, anything can happen due to demand, capacity, competition etc.!


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6276 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 38):
6x 744 to 7x 789 is a significant downgauge. I think a mixed type on the route is more likely.

Not if they add a dedicated DFW service at the same time. BNE today has 2250 weekly seats to North America (all to LAX). Having 11 or 12 789 flights split across LAX and DFW would mean QF would be flying 3050-3300 weekly seats to North America, with clear growth strategies to add another 550 down the track.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 39):
NRT, JNB and SIN-FRA in the mean time will use older 744s. I guess in the longer term as more A380s 787s are delivered this will free 744s for these routes. 2 A380s to be delivered next year IMO will be 4 class to fit in with the rest of the current fleet and could go on any of the mentioned routes IMO, DFW, JNB, SYD-LAX.

Wow -- looking at this, I've got to wonder what else QF is yet to cut to make this work. I always thought that they would be just about able to squeeze everything into their planned fleet, but it's not looking good. There is no way they can fit all their flights today into the fleet they have planned for the next 5 years...

So what will go? My gut is telling me FRA tbh, given the extremely poor utilisation for reportedly low returns... Axing FRA and adding a dedicated SYD-SIN A330 in its place would pretty much solve all their fleet problems.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 41):
Wow -- looking at this, I've got to wonder what else QF is yet to cut to make this work. I always thought that they would be just about able to squeeze everything into their planned fleet, but it's not looking good. There is no way they can fit all their flights today into the fleet they have planned for the next 5 years...
Quoting qf002 (Reply 41):
So what will go? My gut is telling me FRA tbh, given the extremely poor utilisation for reportedly low returns... Axing FRA and adding a dedicated SYD-SIN A330 in its place would pretty much solve all their fleet problems.

Will they introduce Y+ to the A330 fleet? Maybe higher frequency A330s on BNE-SIN and SYD-NRT with Y+ fitted? JQ get their first 788s next year meaning A332s start going back to QF, though mainly to replace 763s I guess. Say A380s on SYD-LAX and A330s on BNE-SIN would free up 3 744s to run IMO probably JNB. FRA, hmm it may go I guess? It has been rumoured before.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 6288 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 39):
NRT, JNB and SIN-FRA in the mean time will use older 744s

Which they want to retire, sooner rather than later.

Your list of the routes really shows how stretched the VLA fleet is going to be! When they do get to 9 744s, it seems like it might be 787s for BNE-LAX and A330s for SYD-NRT and BNE-SIN. Still a real stretch for the 11 planes (incl A380s #13 & #14), covering:
SYD-SIN-FRA x3
SYD-DFW x2
SYD-SCL x1
SYD-JNB x2
SYD-LAX-JFK x2

Is there enough room for maintenance? Do they really want to downgauge the above routes?

I think they need 1 or 2 more A380s in a few more years, unless their business will shrink further. And I am assuming they don't want to even consider growing it.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 6173 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 43):
it seems like it might be 787s for BNE-LAX and A330s for SYD-NRT and BNE-SIN.

QF won't get 787's until 2015/16, so BNE-LAX will have to remain a 744 until then. The A330 fleet is stretched as it is, I guess they are counting on returning JQ planes freeing up the international aircraft flying domestic routes.

The only other thing they could do is use JQ's A332's on international (they will need reconfiguration to bring them to QF domestic standard anyway) -- the issue then shifts to the 767's, which really do need to start leaving.

BNE-LAX was rumoured for an A380 last year -- perhaps:

A380

SYD/MEL-LHR (6)
SYD/MEL-LAX (4)
BNE-LAX 3xWkly (1)
SYD-JNB (2)
SYD-HKG (1)

B744

SYD-JFK (2)
SYD-FRA (3)
SYD-SCL (1)
SYD-DFW (2)
BNE-LAX 3xWkly (1)

SYD-HKG could also revert to 744 ops to allow BNE-LAX to run daily as an A380.

NRT then moves to higher frequency A330's (these aircraft would need new seats and W though IMO). That way, QF manages to keep everything they fly today...


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 40):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Twisted wing...? I'm intrigued...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_twist

I guess BA will benefit ordering the later version of the A380 as opposed to being one of the launch carriers...

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 20):
What's also interesting is that by the end next year the QF long haul fleet is planned to consist of 14 A380's and 9 744's so a net reduction of 7 4 hole frames compared to the peak of 30 744's.

From memory didn't QF operate a strong fleet of 37 B744 aircraft...

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
I'd hope so too. Does anyone have an idea of how the A380 is going on HKG vs the 744? Is the A380 load factor higher or is not really making a difference?

Ex-SYD loads haven't been full with today's flight half full... Haven't checked the Ex-HKG loads...

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 40):
The current plan is to use A380 #13 and #14 on QF107/108.

The QF107/108 is to have F/C dropped in favour of the NEW configured B744 fleet...

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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 44):
QF won't get 787's until 2015/16

But JQ are getting them next year. I wonder if some BNE-LAX frequencies will go over to JQ?? If they aren't selling first, why not? I guess it depends on demand for Business.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
From memory didn't QF operate a strong fleet of 37 B744 aircraft...

No, he's saying they are now down to 23.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 44):
BNE-LAX was rumoured for an A380 last year

That rumour makes little sense. You wouldn't upgauge BNE-LAX while QF107/108 is still 744.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 44):
SYD-HKG could also revert to 744 ops

Sounds unlikely. They've been advertising the A380 on the route. But not impossible. The present mix of A380/744 product is a bit poor, why not all A380?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
From memory didn't QF operate a strong fleet of 37 B744 aircraft

I believe it was 30 744's and 6 743's. I don't think QF has operated more than 30 744's.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 41):
Not if they add a dedicated DFW service at the same time. BNE today has 2250 weekly seats to North America (all to LAX). Having 11 or 12 789 flights split across LAX and DFW would mean QF would be flying 3050-3300 weekly seats to North America, with clear growth strategies to add another 550 down the track.

Again, I would agree that that makes the most logical sense given the ultimate QF fleet structure.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
But JQ are getting them next year. I wonder if some BNE-LAX frequencies will go over to JQ?? If they aren't selling first, why not? I guess it depends on demand for Business.

Hasn't Buchanan said that the first JQ 787 route would be MEL-SIN and AKL-SIN? I would seriously doubt that BNE-LAX would go to JQ because QF domestic needs those JQ A332's to come back into the fleet to replace 767's. So I would say you will see them stick to that 1 for 1 replacement plan first and then see JQ expand as they go beyond 787 number 12 or 13.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
The present mix of A380/744 product is a bit poor, why not all A380?

To my mind the best use of A380's 13 and 14 is to make SYD-HKG daily to standardise the product and then to use A380 14 to fly on a mix of JNB/LAX or DFW services. That free's up 2 744's.

We know QF will have an ending total of 9 744's so I'd expect them on a mix of;

SYD-SIN-FRA
SYD-DFW;
SYD-JNB;
SYD-SCL;
SYD-LAX;
BNE-SIN;
BNE-LAX

with A380's 13 and 14 covering what flying is leftover on these. Personally I think QF has erred slightly on the number of A380's they are receiving and could probably use a 15th and 16th to cover all of their flying. Either that or another 2 or 3 744's should be converted to the new 3 class config because they're not leaving themselves much spare if they intend to operate all of this on aircraft with decent products.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
The QF107/108 is to have F/C dropped in favour of the NEW configured B744 fleet...

   Apparently QF actively wants to cut back F supply on this route, and are more than happy with the 60 seat increase that the reconfigured 744's will provide.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
But JQ are getting them next year. I wonder if some BNE-LAX frequencies will go over to JQ?? If they aren't selling first, why not? I guess it depends on demand for Business.

Perhaps. Although, as Sydscott mentioned, capacity won't rise until 2014 at the earliest (I'm not entirely sure what the delivery schedule looks like...) and there are other routes where I think JQ are better suited/the lower cost base is needed rather than a route to one of the more profitable destinations in QF's network.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
That rumour makes little sense. You wouldn't upgauge BNE-LAX while QF107/108 is still 744.

Why not? There's a lot of capacity out of SYD at the moment, QF's initial plans for double daily A380's SYD-LAX have been out under pressure due to excess capacity introduced by VA and DL, so they are unlikely to be looking to add almost 20% to their capacity on this route. They still largely own the BNE-LAX market, and the A380 ops in LAX make it an easy fit.

Having said that, I agree it's unlikely. But that's because QF doesn't offer F on this route, and hasn't for a very long time (if ever?)

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
Sounds unlikely. They've been advertising the A380 on the route. But not impossible. The present mix of A380/744 product is a bit poor, why not all A380?

This:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
Ex-SYD loads haven't been full with today's flight half full... Haven't checked the Ex-HKG loads...

To be fair, this was on a Wednesday, when there is a second daily flight.

Having said that (I seem to be doing a lot of changing my mind here, sorry...) they have been pushing the A380 hard in HKG, and might want to retain F, given CX has given up this market. The 744's will have an equivalent product to the A380's, so I don't think that's a major consideration beyond this year.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):
Personally I think QF has erred slightly on the number of A380's they are receiving and could probably use a 15th and 16th to cover all of their flying. Either that or another 2 or 3 744's should be converted to the new 3 class config because they're not leaving themselves much spare if they intend to operate all of this on aircraft with decent products.

Agreed. Something has to give -- either they need more planes, or they need to cut a route. No way can the VLA schedule today be covered by the fleet they plan to have next year.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 48):
Why not? There's a lot of capacity out of SYD at the moment,

Because it makes more sense to reduce frequencies on a route which is above daily as compared to one which is below daily.

Also, SYD-LAX gets a better advantage of the A380's relative fuel efficiency than BNE-LAX, even if that advantage is slight.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
From memory didn't QF operate a strong fleet of 37 B744 aircraft...

No, he's saying they are now down to 23.

I am well aware he was referring to the current fleet count, I was referring to how many B744 aircraft QF had prior to the retirements...

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):

I believe it was 30 744's and 6 743's. I don't think QF has operated more than 30 744's.

I may have included the B743 in my count but even so I had 37 glued... Could this include the ex-OZ and ex-MH birds...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 48):
To be fair, this was on a Wednesday, when there is a second daily flight.

I will do a full analyze of the route operation from Thursday to Monday include ex-HKG  

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-26 18:02:41]


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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 50):
Could this include the ex-OZ and ex-MH birds...

Perhaps VH-NLH, although that left before VH-OEJ arrived.

ex-OZ and ex-MH are included in the 30 744s.

Only real thing I can think of is perhaps there was a time when 37 742+743+744 operated alongside each other.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 48):
Apparently QF actively wants to cut back F supply on this route, and are more than happy with the 60 seat increase that the reconfigured 744's will provide.

Makes sense. Especially if you only then have to sell 14 F seats a day.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 48):
and there are other routes where I think JQ are better suited/the lower cost base is needed rather than a route to one of the more profitable destinations in QF's network.

I know it's been advocated to death, but given Jetstar has DRW & SIN to MNL and then onwards to NRT and Osaka, it could make sense to deploy JQ on at least part of the MNL frequencies out of SYD. Maybe leave QF as a 2 to 3 times a week operation with JQ covering another 2 or 3 frequencies a week plus the BNE tag? That also puts an A332 in MNL for potential onward service to Japan or even HKG to link into other JQ franchises.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 50):
I may have included the B743 in my count but even so I had 37 glued... Could this include the ex-OZ and ex-MH birds...

My count of 30 744's includes the 2 ex-MH and the 1 ex-OZ bird. I could be wrong on the 743 count but I always thought they had a maximum of 6 operating.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 52):
My count of 30 744's includes the 2 ex-MH and the 1 ex-OZ bird. I could be wrong on the 743 count but I always thought they had a maximum of 6 operating.

In 2000 QF had 24 744s 6 743s 5 742s including 1 at FJ and 2 74Ls, that is 37 but as I say does include a 742 leased to FJ, infact it was 2 leased to FJ until mid 2000 when VH-EBQ returned from FJ, the 74Ls were retired by early 2002 and the 742s by early 2003 but the 744ERs arrived from mid 2002 to mid 2003. Was nver more than 30 744s in the fleet, VH-OJA-OJU and OEB-OEJ, NLH as others said left before all the 744ERs were delivered.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):
We know QF will have an ending total of 9 744's so I'd expect them on a mix of;

SYD-SIN-FRA
SYD-DFW;
SYD-JNB;
SYD-SCL;
SYD-LAX;
BNE-SIN;
BNE-LAX

That needs 13 aircraft so even with 2 extra A380s they can't cover that and thats without SYD-NRT currently a 744. I'd say it will be more like late 2014 before QF is down to 9 744s rather than 2013.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):
Hasn't Buchanan said that the first JQ 787 route would be MEL-SIN and AKL-SIN?

I don't recall reading that although I do remember reading AKL airport was expecting JQ 787s in 2013 I think, AKL-LAX has been talked about as a possible JQ route, maybe that could be an early route for the 787?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 53):
In 2000 QF had 24 744s 6 743s 5 742s including 1 at FJ and 2 74Ls, that is 37

That's probably what EK was recalling just with the wrong 747 types. I remember those 742's quite well!

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 53):
That needs 13 aircraft so even with 2 extra A380s they can't cover that and thats without SYD-NRT currently a 744. I'd say it will be more like late 2014 before QF is down to 9 744s rather than 2013.

It'll be interesting to see what they do. There is also the PER-JNB opportunity which would utilise a 744 as well. (Sorry I just don't buy the A330 doing PER-JNB) So things seem rather tight.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 53):
I don't recall reading that although I do remember reading AKL airport was expecting JQ 787s in 2013 I think, AKL-LAX has been talked about as a possible JQ route, maybe that could be an early route for the 787?

I don't know what the strategy is going to be re AKL-LAX. Certainly I think a JQ deployment to it is inevitable if AA doesn't want to do it from either LAX or DFW. Assuming they don't I think JQ will at some point. But the trick will be how keen QF is to get rid of the 763's from QF domestic. If they get a better return from re-starting AKL-LAX and expanding JQ International a bit while delaying the retirement of the 763's then that's what they might do. But on the other hand they can't let VA get away with having a better product than the 763 does on their A332's. Which argument wins in QF will be interesting to see.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 54):
I don't know what the strategy is going to be re AKL-LAX.

It would be a bizarre strategy for QF group to cut it and then bring it back within 2 years. Way to maximise your change over costs. I think the same thing about SYD-SFO.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 54):
There is also the PER-JNB opportunity

Is this opportunity that great? SA can fill the market more easily, and have feed on the far end. They can arrange code shares with DJ and/or Skywest on this end.

I'm not convinced that the market is large enough for two carriers.

I just see a trend of shrinking within QF group under Alan Joyce, with focus continually on costs, not revenue.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 55):

I personally see QF return to these routes with JQ once the B787 fleet arrive...

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User currently offlinewindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 10):
Maybe it will be a kid-free section!  

Oh yes I could work with that!



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 55):
It would be a bizarre strategy for QF group to cut it and then bring it back within 2 years. Way to maximise your change over costs. I think the same thing about SYD-SFO.

I think SYD-SFO is an ideal JQ 787 route. (Or an ideal QF 789 route but we know which way QF are currently going!) As for AKL-LAX, JQ is all about Asia at the moment. So will we see them come back to AKL-LAX? We'll find out late next year but I'd certainly agree re the change over costs.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 55):
Is this opportunity that great? SA can fill the market more easily, and have feed on the far end. They can arrange code shares with DJ and/or Skywest on this end.

I'm not convinced that the market is large enough for two carriers.

It's not. I think if push came to shove QF could push SAA off of the route which both warned could happen in the IASC submissions. As for QF, although I agree regarding your comments on the current strategy, I think that PER-JNB is not a market QF can afford to just give away to VA and SAA. It needs to fly it or it's going to have a large hole in one of the few remaining high yielding markets for it. Not forgetting that SAA codeshare traffic on the direct SYD service will also cut off some revenue. I personally think we'll see QF maintain the frequency but include PER stops in say 3 of the flights per week. So 4 SYD-JNB and 3 SYD-PER-JNB. That should be doable for QF. It'll be interesting to see if SAA can be persuaded further East than PER.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 4623 times:

VH-OQD ETD 1910 will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it's scheduled reconfiguration works on the 28th of April and it will include a 18 day 'C' check.

QF6025 SYD 1910 Block time 07:50hrs MNL 0100...

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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 59):
VH-OQD ETD 1910 will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it's scheduled reconfiguration works on the 28th of April and it will include a 18 day 'C' check.

Didn't VH-OQD already have its "C" check when it was in FRA from 4/8/2011 to 26/8/11? (it was delivered in Aug 2009)

OQE and F have already trekked off to FRA for 3 weeks each, and I expect G will be due to go to FRA in November.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 60):

This is the information I've received unless this involves wing crack checks...

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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 61):
This is the information I've received unless this involves wing crack checks...

I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure I read that 3 QF A380's are scheduled to be checked this year under the AIrworthiness directive issued over the Wing Cracks. So maybe this one is the first?


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 59):
VH-OQD ETD 1910 will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it's scheduled reconfiguration works on the 28th of April and it will include a 18 day 'C' check.

QF6025 SYD 1910 Block time 07:50hrs MNL 0100...

Probably a stupid question, but why doesn't QF operate these as regular flights? I realise there is no aircraft to return the journey but surely they could organise it so it wouldn't matter? Or even just operate it as an extra flight, and even if it only carriers 100 passengers, surely its better than none? I realise there must be flaws in my reasoning, just want to know what they are   Thanks


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 63):
Probably a stupid question, but why doesn't QF operate these as regular flights? I realise there is no aircraft to return the journey but surely they could organise it so it wouldn't matter? Or even just operate it as an extra flight, and even if it only carriers 100 passengers, surely its better than none? I realise there must be flaws in my reasoning, just want to know what they are Thanks

Probably because of the cabin crew which will need to deadhead back. Note they have done it in the way you describe when retiring 747s SYD-LAX-VCV. So it's probably a matter of "how many" bums they can put in to the seats less the ones they steal from their regular flights.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12447 posts, RR: 25
Reply 65, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
The new configure will feature 14 First 64 Business 35 Premium Economy 371 Economy...

This configure will appeal to the Economy Class traveller with 30 seats located on the upper deck...

So is the shift to more Economy a sign that the A380 does not command the premium it once did?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 62):
I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure I read that 3 QF A380's are scheduled to be checked this year under the AIrworthiness directive issued over the Wing Cracks. So maybe this one is the first?

More than likely considering the amount of time the aircraft will spend in MNL... Reconfiguring an aircraft doesn't usually take 18 days...?

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 63):
Probably a stupid question, but why doesn't QF operate these as regular flights?

QF already operate these flights while positioning the A330 fleet to XMN for maintenance, the downside having to dead head the crew...

Quoting Revelation (Reply 65):
So is the shift to more Economy a sign that the A380 does not command the premium it once did?

Prior to the NEW configure there was word of an increase in Premium Economy Class, however would appear there is a higher demand for Economy Class

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 65):
So is the shift to more Economy a sign that the A380 does not command the premium it once did?

I'd say its more likely that in the current economic climate that J demand - across the board - isn't what it once was.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 2575 times:

A photo of the 1st QF A380 to under go re-configure in MNL VH-OQD... Not the best quality...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=856204&page=122

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