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Future Of EMA If/when BMI/BMIbaby Go?  
User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Hi everyone, thought I would start a topic about the future of my local airport EMA with the uncertain future of BMI and BMIbaby. I was sat here wondering what would happen if they were to disappear from the airport. That would have a massive impact, unless someone takes over the routes. I can't see EZY coming back   Seeing as we would only be left with Ryanair, Jet2, Thomson and a couple of Flybe flights, it doesn't look like it is going to be very busy.

* How many aircraft do WW have based at the airport?
* Would be nice to see Monarch coming into the airport, but I can't see that happening.
* At least we will be getting the 787 thanks to Thomson.
* Would Flybe want to have more presense with a base at BHX just down the road?
* Are the cargo operations still growing? Apart from DHL, who else comes into EMA?

Would be good to see what everyone else thinks. Just when the airport looks to be picking up, it gets yet another kick in the teeth.

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Five B737-300s and two B737-500s are based at EMA if I interpret their schedule correctly.


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User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
Five B737-300s and two B737-500s are based at EMA if I interpret their schedule correctly

Have flown on: G-ODSK (x2) , G-BVKB (x2) , G-TOYA, G-TOYF, G-TOYG, G-TOYH

Don't BMI have a couple of ERJs there for the Brussels and Cologne flights?


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting emalad (Thread starter):
Seeing as we would only be left with Ryanair, Jet2, Thomson and a couple of Flybe flights, it doesn't look like it is going to be very busy.

The East Midlands is such a large market, that most of WW's services would be taken by other carriers (eventually).


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I lived 15 minutes from EMA for 3 years and enjoyed visiting and flying from the facility.

Anyway, EMA had, in the week starting 18th April, 55,183 one-way seats. Of this, FR was the leader with 40% followed by WW with 33%. If WW disappeared and no one else replaced at all, then clearly that would have significant consequences on routes, capacity, and passenger traffic. But in reality there will likely be some, if not complete, replacement of their routes.

Source: OAG Schedules iNET.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

I don't think their is much for EMA to worry about...

The likes of Jet2 and Ryanair will probably increase capacity on their Spanish routes. I wouldn't even be surprised if the likes of Jet2 based a couple of additional 737's at the airport.

The routes to AMS and CDG could well be filled by the likes of FlyBE.


User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Would Flybe want to operate out of EMA with BHX being just down the road?

Would be nice to see Jet2 strengthening their operations at EMA. Don't they have 2 757s based there at the moment? I always see a 737 fly to BFS each night, not sure if this is a positioning flight or not.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting emalad (Reply 6):
Would Flybe want to operate out of EMA with BHX being just down the road?

They already do on the BHD route

I doubt BE would want a huge EMA operation, but EMA-EDI/GLA/JER come to mind as ideal routes for BE



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
Five B737-300s and two B737-500s are based at EMA if I interpret their schedule correctly.

Almost correct:
EMA - 6x 733, 2x 735
BHX - 4x 733
BHD - 2x 733

Quoting emalad (Reply 6):
Would be nice to see Jet2 strengthening their operations at EMA. Don't they have 2 757s based there at the moment?

Yes, 2 752's plus 1 733 are based at EMA for the summer season.

Quoting emalad (Reply 6):
I always see a 737 fly to BFS each night, not sure if this is a positioning flight or not.

Jet2 operates the following Royal Mail flights to/from EMA:

LS001A BFS-EMA Mon-Fri
LS001B EMA-BFS Mon-Fri
LS001C BFS-EMA Mon-Fri
LS001D EMA-BFS Tue-Sat
LS001E BFS-EMA Sat
LS001F EMA-BFS Sun

LS005G EXT-EMA Mon-Fri
LS005H EMA-EXT Tue-Sat

LS012A EDI-EMA Mon-Fri
LS012B EMA-EDI Tue-Sat

LS014W NCL-EMA Mon-Fri
LS014X EMA-NCL Tue-Sat

LS017E EDI-EMA Mon-Fri
LS017F EMA-EDI Mon-Fri



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting emalad (Thread starter):
* Are the cargo operations still growing? Apart from DHL, who else comes into EMA?

- Several airlines operating for DHL like Aerologic, Bluebird and Swiftair.
- UPS and Star Air (opf UPS)
- TNT
- Icelandair
- Royal Mail flights, operated by Jet2 (see above), Titan Airways and Europe Airpost.

And maybe a few more but this should be the majority.



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User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 8):
Jet2 operates the following Royal Mail flights to/from EMA

Thanks for that   I did always wonder what the flights were, seeing as I have never seen them offered to passengers.

On a positive note, at least EMA will be one of the first airports in the UK to have 787 operation        


User currently offlineBritMidFokker From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

I have no doubt someone will step into fill the void left by WW. I used to live near and work at EMA (am now in HKG, quite a difference!) and can remember GLA/EDI/BRU/CDG/BFS etc being operated continually over the years by British Midland DC-9s then Fokker 70/100s and more recently by bmibaby with 733/735s. These routes don't really suit Ryanair/Jet2 but I'm sure would be perfect for Flybe. I'm sure Jet2 will continue to grow at EMA by basing more aircraft and who can say what Ryanair will decide to do. They seem fairly happy with EMA however.

As for Cargo, EMA is HUGELY important, and I think this side of the business will continue to thrive. EMA is logistically very well situated for Cargo and Mail. According to their website mail was up 10.9% last year.



Quoting emalad (Reply 10):
On a positive note, at least EMA will be one of the first airports in the UK to have 787 operation        

Amazing for EMA, wish I could be there to see the 1st one land!


User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

I wonder if there's any value in the BD facility for BA?

With BA's other facilities around the country, and now the BD hangar at LHR, would they keep the EMA location?


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting aamd11 (Reply 12):
I wonder if there's any value in the BD facility for BA?

With BA's other facilities around the country, and now the BD hangar at LHR, would they keep the EMA location?

As far as I know BA already told that the EMA maintenance facility will be closed.



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User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 13):
As far as I know BA already told that the EMA maintenance facility will be closed

That's a shame. Would have been nice to see some more BA aircraft at EMA  


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting emalad (Reply 14):
That's a shame. Would have been nice to see some more BA aircraft at EMA

320 G-MIDX is at EMA now. It is slated to be rolled out in BA livery and with a BA cabin on 14 May. 'DS is due at EMA on 26 May presumably for similar treatment. And I expect more will follow whether or not BA disposes of the British Midland Maintenance facility and Paint Shop at EMA.

Does anyone know the status of these facilities? Are they owned by BD or are they owned by Manchester Airports Group and leased to BD? And what about the BD hangar at LHR? Who owns it, the ground it is built on and the adjacent ramp? Was it BAA or BD - now BAA or BA?

At LHR BA own their maintenance facilities and all of the land on which they and the associated ramps are built. So that's why they tow aircraft temporarily out of service from T5 at the west end of the airport all the way to their maintenance area at the east end of the airport to park them and why, when the knocked down the hangars at what was then the west base (still at the east end of the airport), they turned it into a pretty large aircraft park. They also generate a small income by renting out spare space to other airlines with long day time stop-overs. Presumably they rent out this space at a lower price than BAA charges to park during the day on a remote stand.

I've often seen other airlines planes parked on the BD ramp at LHR. But I have never been sure if they have been there for corrective maintenance or are simply parked there to reduce parking charges. Note here that I think that BAA only charge for aircraft parking in operational hours. They certainly used to levy parking charges for each 15 minutes or part of 15 minutes. But I believe there is I(was?) no charge when the airport is closed even for being parked on a stand with an air bridge.

As an aside has anyone heard about the likely future of the bmi Training Centre at West Drayton near LHR. Again there is the issue of who owns the building. There is also the future of the Oxford Aviaion Academy facilities to consider. Their 320, 737 and 330/340 convertible simulators are located in the Training Centre.


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