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Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300  
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8659 times:

In German we have a saying: "Mühsam ernährt sich das Eichhörnchen". Little by little, the bird builts his nest.


In German it's a squirrel, which has a troublesome way to subsist in English it's a bird, which builts a nest and this year, Airbus, little by little gain some orders. Big grinhttp://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...signs-for-three-more-a330s-371092/

[Edited 2012-04-25 06:53:22]


Wer wenig weiss muss vieles glauben
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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Let's hope there is an Afriqiyah to take these birds when they are ready for delivery... For now, I'd list them together with IT's A380s.


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1):
Let's hope there is an Afriqiyah to take these birds when they are ready for delivery

What is the main concern with Afriqiyah? Is it structural or just related to the political instability in Libya? Honest question.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

why not A332? as it has the longer flying range which will come in handy...as it is there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

User currently offlineSepulTALLICA From Central African Republic, joined Sep 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

That's awesome news.

Does anyone have any info on whether or not they will be recommencing their services to Nigeria, South Africa etc at some stage in the near future, or have they dropped those routes indefinitely?



Chinokanganwa idemo; Chitsiga hachikanganwe. ✈
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Afriqiyah%20Airways.htm

In the last couple of years, they have lost 1 A300, (burnt out) and 1A330, (crashed). They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

Even if they can get the parked aircraft flying again, they could still do with a couple of planes to make up for losses.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6940 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

The Colonel's 340 isn't going anywhere, as far as I'm concerned. Either it will be gutted out and turned into a pax transport or sent back to the Arabian peninsula, or scrapped on site.



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 2):
What is the main concern with Afriqiyah? Is it structural or just related to the political instability in Libya? Honest question.

It is probably too volatile for a resurgence just yet. Perhaps by the time this order is delivered (hopefully) the rebuilding of Libya will be well started

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 2):
why not A332? as it has the longer flying range which will come in handy...as it is there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Agreed. The smaller capacity & longer range would serve their needs better


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Given that the A340 is an A340-200, I doubt that it will fly passengers again.

This is based on the limitations of the type, it's age, (15 years) and that it is a singleton.

I suppose that it could be used as a VVIP jet. IMO, it is more likely to be parted out.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Nowadays the opposite is mostly true. Why fly an A332 when you can puit more seats in an A333?


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Nowadays the opposite is mostly true. Why fly an A332 when you can puit more seats in an A333?

I don't necessarily think more = better. Equipment should be chosen depending on the airline & route dynamics. Given the demand on any route being equal it may be advantageous to have lower capacity depending on competition. If we are talking about an established carrier on a highly competitive route, sure more capacity works. I think for Afriqiyah the A332 would serve their needs better as they unfortunately need to start again from square one after the revolution like the rest of Libya. As demand grows they can upguage.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

The Colonel's 340 isn't going anywhere, as far as I'm concerned. Either it will be gutted out and turned into a pax transport or sent back to the Arabian peninsula, or scrapped on site.

I believe the 2 A332s were fairly recently ferried to Airbus in TLS for repairs of the damage they suffered during the hostilities.


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Good to see things are improving for Afriqiyah. Not entirely sure if we will see these A333's fly for them because I was under the impression that the airline was in a right old state financially. I believe that the A332 would be much better suited to the airline as I don't think they'll have bigger enough loads to justify the extra seats, plus they'll miss some range but I can't wait to see the -300 in Afriqiyah colours.

GCPET



If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 7):
Agreed. The smaller capacity & longer range would serve their needs better



If Afriqiyah has any future other than pure Libya OD, then it is the low price connection between Europe and the southern half of Africa. All this is within A333 range from Libya. Operation costs of A332 and A333 are practically the same, so having 40 more seats for free helps on the competitiveness.

I really hope Libya gets the peace it deserves after this terrible civil war - if it finds inner peace all the rest to florish is available.


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