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Weird Landing At BILBAO, Spain (VIDEO)  
User currently offlinespantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15440 times:

The first ac was really lucky...


http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/video/s...rizaje/00311335362488827568160.htm  Wow!  Wow!


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15444 times:

Not really, that video has obviously been sped up quite significantly - it's just a typical crosswind landing at Bilbao.


Dan  



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9164 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15395 times:

I like your nick, the airline made a couple of weird landings, including the first 4-holer at XFW,
Putting down a Coronado on 1500 meters with a building at the end without a scratch is excellent airmanship. It was the boss himself, Don Rudolfo.



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User currently offlinegpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15282 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
it's just a typical crosswind landing at Bilbao

Indeed. I remember when I lived there, I flew in with Easyjet once and got talking to the First Officer after landing. He said crosswinds were always horrible in BIO and then the runway was awful when you finally touched down. Not the easiest airport to land in by any means in my experience!



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User currently offlinesandrozrh From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
Putting down a Coronado on 1500 meters with a building at the end without a scratch is excellent airmanship. It was the boss himself, Don Rudolfo.

No that's not excellent airmanship, that's just stupid in my books.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15147 times:

I agree that the video has been sped up, but also the angle from where camera is located is creating a perspective which has distorted the depth.
This distorted depth causes horizontal and vertical movements of the aeroplane to look exaggerated.

I'm sure if you viewed it from beside the runway or tower it looked perfectly normal.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9164 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14938 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 4):
that's just stupid in my books.

indeed, landing at the wrong airport is

not crashing into the building and the river behind it under these circumstances is

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 4):
excellent airmanship



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2321 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 4):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):

Weren't there journalists and people from travel/leisure companies aboard, and it was a "show" flight by the company chief to tell everybody Spantax was reliable and safe?

Five deadly accidents with a sum of 310 dead within 17 years... well... I don't know if any post-war airline could top this.



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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 5):

I agree that the video has been sped up, but also the angle from where camera is located is creating a perspective which has distorted the depth.
This distorted depth causes horizontal and vertical movements of the aeroplane to look exaggerated.

the van seems to be going at a normal speed though


User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12978 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 7):
Five deadly accidents with a sum of 310 dead within 17 years... well... I don't know if any post-war airline could top this.

Turkish Airlines also had 5 between 1974 and 2009, ok that makes it 35 years  


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12443 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 7):
Weren't there journalists and people from travel/leisure companies aboard, and it was a "show" flight by the company chief to tell everybody Spantax was reliable and safe?

Five deadly accidents with a sum of 310 dead within 17 years... well... I don't know if any post-war airline could top this.

So this thread has turned into a Spantax bashing thread only because the OP username is the same thing. And nothing to do with the video under discussion.

Can we please get back to the topic.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9164 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12124 times:

You're right. back to the topic, out of the 3 or 4 landings shown, Spantax would at least have crashed one.


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12098 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 10):
Can we please get back to the topic.

Thanks for sharing the link Nice landings, but not so unusual...


User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10670 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 8):
the van seems to be going at a normal speed though

Unless you know what speed the van was actually doing you can't tell from that video whether or not it appears to be going at the normal speed.

The video is sped up, the landings look no worse than many of those already posted on a.net



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User currently offlinecalibansa333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
You're right. back to the topic, out of the 3 or 4 landings shown, Spantax would at least have crashed one.

   This comment made my day, well played sir.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

The video does not appear to be sped up, unless that van is actually crawling at the speed of a slow walk. In addition, look at the vertical stabilizer flex just at the moment of touchdown - that was quite a hard landing.

That said, my local news just teased their noon broadcast by talking about the "shocking video everybody's buzzing about" and showing a clip of this. I can only guess that they're out there looking for any sort of unusual aviation videos they can find after the couple of bird strike incidents we've had in the NYC area that the media's been trying to whip the public into a frenzy about lately. It's only a matter of time until they start wondering how we can "end the scourge of wind at airports".



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User currently offlinejrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 7):
Five deadly accidents with a sum of 310 dead within 17 years... well... I don't know if any post-war airline could top this.

I believe that in this category TAM (JJ) is a winner. The only airline which was able to crash 2 airplanes (F-100) on the very same day, plus 2 other horrible crashes both in CGH (the first was an F100 resulting in around 100 casualties and the other was an A320, resulting in 199 casualties), and also several other accidents/incidents.


User currently onlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Not really, that video has obviously been sped up quite significantly - it's just a typical crosswind landing at Bilbao.

Nonsense, the video is at normal speed, the video is made with a moderately powerful zoom-lens which makes it appear like this.

These are not strange crosswind landings as such, though some a bit heavy and one go-around, which is only normal in the eyes of aviation geeks.

asturias



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User currently onlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7414 times:
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The only part of the video not sped up is the Airbus flying over the camera. All the landings are at a faster speed!

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 15):
The video does not appear to be sped up, unless that van is actually crawling at the speed of a slow walk.

A quick time/distance calculation shows it is doing 40-50kmph in the video, right after a hairpin bend in wet conditions.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 17):
Nonsense, the video is at normal speed, the video is made with a moderately powerful zoom-lens which makes it appear like this.

I understand how zoom changes things as I shoot like this a lot, but it has been sped up. Look at the distance markers the departing aircraft passes, if this video wasn't sped up it's doing 300-400kmph after a roll of only 700m. Then there is the climb rate - 5000fpm, possibly more, and not into the wind either.


Dan  



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User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 17):
Nonsense, the video is at normal speed, the video is made with a moderately powerful zoom-lens which makes it appear like this.

lol look at the beacon... You ever seen one flash that quickly consecutively before? Its sped up.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
A quick time/distance calculation shows it is doing 40-50kmph in the video, right after a hairpin bend in wet conditions.

And I'd be passing him on that road at that speed if it were me  



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User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting jrosa (Reply 16):

And what accidents where those?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
And I'd be passing him on that road at that speed if it were me  

I'd have stopped and taken my camera out  
Quoting comair25 (Reply 20):
look at the beacon... You ever seen one flash that quickly consecutively before? Its sped up.

Yes that too.


Dan  



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4390 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6930 times:
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The depth of field is squashed by the long focal lens used.
I do not think the film had been sped up in anyway, and in fact, it's not the most important.
What is is the fact that those planes -and their aircrews - had to cope with some really severte weather and the amount od crosswind + gusts is right up the max... That the CRJ ( ? ) had been blown off the runway is testimony of the conditions.
If you can be so blasé about that sort of vidéo, it's really time to get back to reality... These conditions were no joke, frames speed up or not.
Any pilot witnessing this is probably sweating a lot.



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25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The first plane touches down at the 5 second point and the video cuts away at the 10 second mark. Referencing the position of the aircraft on the run
26 L1011 : Yesterday I flew from Barcelona to Paris CDG on Air France flight 1349, an A321. We experienced the same type of landing as in the video. On final app
27 beau222 : Can a computer auto land in crosswind conditions let alone situations this extreme?
28 AirCalSNA : Have personally experienced the same type of wild cross-wind landing in LAS. People screaming, then clapping when we finally landed. I don't think it'
29 Post contains links and images ZSOFN : Indeed - it's now the most-watched video on BBC News this morning... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17863501
30 Pihero : Referencing to what ? Taking your argument means that the taking off airplane did it in seven seconds at a speed of more than 500 km/h ( at a guess )
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Err, did "the position of the aircraft on the runway to Google Earth" not give it away? No, this is not my argument, I don't see how you have come to
32 Pihero : Well, that's what I call "BULL", when 1mm on the picture is worth some 250 m at the beginning, a lot more later. And the famous google earth... only
33 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I don't know what you are looking at, because that is a huge exaggeration on my screen. What do you mean by 'vertical'. You cannot seriously be sugge
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