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Mexican Aviation Thread XI  
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 27147 times:

This thread is a continuation of Mexican Aviation X - Guadalupe Reyes (by Aeolus Dec 1 2011 in Civil Aviation) since it has over 200 posts.

Where it left off...

SSJ 100s for Interjet are delayed. The airline was expected to receive 4 frames this year but now will only have one SSJ100 delivered.

Thomson first international airline to fly the 787 to Mexico starting summer 2013 to CUN.

and Eddie asked this about AM schedule change to the AM MEX-IAD flights:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 217):
What do you think of the schedules for MEX-IAD? Mexicana757 told us:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 133):
Aeromexico will start flights to IAD May 21. AM will fly the route daily with 737s. Flights are bookable on their website. I wish AM good luck on this route. Lets see if the redeye works for them in this new destination. I wonder if having the aircraft RON at IAD would be better and have a departure around 8am.

AM 622 MEX 6:00pm- 11:20pm IAD
AM 623 IAD 1:15am- 5:00am MEX

Now, I just found this site:

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...on-dulles-and-san-salvador-in-may/

It seems AM has retimed its flights and there will be no red-eye return flight (which I think is good). I personally think the outbound flight's schedule is good for someone who needs to work the full day in Mexico City before going to the airport, but I can appreciate that many people will hate it and that it will no doubt be annoying to commute from Dulles to Washington proper and points in the metro area at such late hours. What do you guys think?


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27139 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Thread starter):
AM 622 MEX 6:00pm- 11:20pm IAD
AM 623 IAD 1:15am- 5:00am MEX

Based on the experience of the Central American airlines, the red-eye pattern is apparently doing well for years in selected flights leaving from the United States.
Thus, CM and especially TA are getting very early departures from LAX, IAD, JFK, ORD and so forth.
By the way, thank you for the new thread. I will follow it.  

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 26980 times:

One step forward for SSJ100 program. Mexico's civil aviation authority provided the certificate to operate the aircraft in the country without restrictions:


Mexican authorities approve Superjet

By: David Kaminski-Morrow London 12:19 25 Apr 2012

Mexican authorities have certificated the Sukhoi Superjet 100 ahead of deliveries to local carrier Interjet later this year.The Direccion General de Aeronautica Civil provided a type certificate validation to Sukhoi's civil aircraft division on 16 April, the airframer states.

"This document confirms the compliance of the [Superjet] to the certification requirements of the Mexican aviation authority and allows the delivery and operations of aircraft of such a type in Mexico without limitations," it adds.

Sukhoi Civil Aircraft first vice-president for development and certification Igor Vinogradov says the confirmation is "important" for the delivery to Interjet, which has 15 Superjets on order. The first will arrive at the end of this year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...pprove-superjet-371108/



Interjet's first plane serial number is 95023.

[Edited 2012-04-26 18:46:13]

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 26948 times:

Volaris will initiate the [MEX-OAK] 4x weekly seasonal-service on July 01st.
It will be temporary suspended on August 21st and it will be launched again as Y4 OAK-MEX 2x weekly from September 06th to September 25th.

Regards,



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 26863 times:
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Starting next week, AM will decrease frequency on the MEX-SCL route from 6x weekly to 5x weekly through September. AM will again reduce frequency on the MEX-SCL route from 5x weekly to 4x weekly through October.

Source: Amadeus.net


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26543 times:

First Embraer 170 was delivered to 5D, last week:

Embraer 170, SU, 170.00046, XA-, AeroMéxico Connect, delivery 26apr12 MCI-MTY, N-reg, ex N826MD

This plane is an early build and was flown by RW previously:


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2 more ex-RW will join 5D fleet soon.


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26509 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 5):
2 more ex-RW will join 5D fleet soon.

Yes, that's correct. As I understand, the three aircrafts were leased from Republic:

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=REC (Fleetlist Republic with remarks)
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/newsdetail.php?id=10234


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 26249 times:

AM MEX-MAD goes temporary from [May 10 till August 30] from 7x to 10x weekly: 7x 777 + 3x 763.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25906 times:

Aeromexico dropping Fresno?

Per today's OAG thread GDL-FAT flights go to zero from September on.

Was the double Aeromexico and Volaris battle too much ?



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25790 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Aeromexico dropping Fresno?

Per today's OAG thread GDL-FAT flights go to zero from September on.

Was the double Aeromexico and Volaris battle too much ?

There are still flights bookable on AM in Oct, Nov etc. on the route on their website. Frequency is down to Fri/Sat/Sun in fall but still there.

If I remember right it is not the first time the route has shown as cut in the OAG thread then the change is reversed a week or so later.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25782 times:
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Do any of you think there will be any fall out for Interjet due to the SuperJet crash? Will they reconsider their order?


MGGS
User currently offlineTHEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 25612 times:

Seems like MX has found a new owner in MedAtlantica today:
http://www.cnnexpansion.com/negocios...5/11/mexicana-aterriza-nuevo-dueno
(Sorry link in spanish)

However startup dates were not given, the new owners will first restructure debt. Hopefully this time around it'll lead to something more than just more waiting around.



Victor Garciamontes-AIM GDL
User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 25576 times:

Where can I find Airport information? I live in Aguascalientes, a city that doesn´t usually see much air traffic. Only lately, I have been hearing alot of action, but I don´t know where to look to see what airlines are scheduled during the day. The airport´s website doesn´t seem to be too correct..


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25362 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Do any of you think there will be any fall out for Interjet due to the SuperJet crash? Will they reconsider their order?

Difficult to say, but I think Interjet will keep the order.

Interjet posted in their website a statement about the accident:


Interjet is following up the evolution of this unfortunate event and if so to the progress of the corresponding investigation; Interjet confirms it will continue with its current business plan...

INFORMACIÓN DEL EVENTO OCURRIDO EN INDONESIA SOBRE EL AVIÓN SUPERJET100



In my opinion, there is no other alternative for Interjet left.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25056 times:

The 748-F is now a regular visitor at MEX:

Cargolux 747-8 Freighter   Cargolux 747-8 Freighter 2


As of mid Apr, Cargolux has been deploying this aircraft to Mexico. I saw that ship taking off and she looked magnificent.


User currently offlineTHEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24931 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 14):

The 748-F is now a regular visitor at MEX:

Hi Fyano773!
I would like to add that the 748 is also a regular visitor to GDL as well (just haven't found a decent time to spot it)



Victor Garciamontes-AIM GDL
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 24845 times:

Quoting captaink (Reply 12):
Where can I find Airport information? I live in Aguascalientes, a city that doesn´t usually see much air traffic. Only lately, I have been hearing alot of action, but I don´t know where to look to see what airlines are scheduled during the day.

Check flightstats.com
Let me post the departing flights from Aguascalientes on May 14th:

5D AGU-MEX.........6:09.............ERJ
EV AGU-IAH...........6:45.............ERJ
MQ AGU-DFW........6:55.............ER4
VW AGU-MEX.........8:25............ATR
5D AGU-MEX..........9:30............ERJ
5D AGU-MEX........11:22............ERJ
EV AGU-IAH..........11:45............ERJ
Y4 AGU-TIJ...........13:54.............319
5D AGU-MEX........14:15............ERJ
Y4 AGU-CUN........14:56.............319
MQ AGU-DFW......16:30.............ER4
5D AGU-MEX........17:45.............ERJ
VW AGU-MEX.......19:05.............ATR
5D AGU-MEX.........20:08............ERJ
5D AGU-MEX.........21:02............ERJ


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24646 times:

Some pictures from MEX:

The Boeing 787:


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A now scrapped ex-Aeronaves de México DC8 wearing it's last titles and scheme, anyone willing to help it's last titles?  
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Magnicharters 737-300 with new c/s:


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1st Boeing 767-300 from Caribbean Airlines painted in MEX in MX MRO on a test and acceptance flight:


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Aeromexico's 737 with Avengers decals, different on right side too:


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And a last picture from Toluca's Aeroexpo 2012, Mickey Mouse for you  :


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g77



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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24402 times:

Quoting THEGRINCH (Reply 15):

I would like to add that the 748 is also a regular visitor to GDL as well (just haven't found a decent time to spot it)

Yupp, the MEX-GDL-USA corridor is very busy in terms of air freigth.

In other news, 5D received or is receiving 3 brand new 190s, delivered directly from SJK:


Embraer 190 LR 190.00531 XA-ACJ 5D delivery 15-29apr12 SJK-MAO-PTY-MTY
Embraer 190 LR 190.00538 XA-ACK 5D delivery 11-12may12 SJK-MAO-PTY-MTY
Embraer 190 LR 190.00546 XA-ACM 5D delivery 20-30may12 SJK-MAO-PTY-MTY



With these additions, 5D is growing this subtype to 16 units:


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24225 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 17):
1st Boeing 767-300 from Caribbean Airlines painted in MEX in MX MRO on a test and acceptance flight:

I'm not familiarized with some acronyms.
Just out of curiosity, what does "MRO" mean?




.
Aerolineas Argentinas is not flying the CUN-MEX segment anymore:

AR 1946.......EZE 00:15........CUN 06:45.......Mo, Su............340
AR 1947.......CUN 08:45.......EZE 19:50........Mo, Su............340

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24222 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Just out of curiosity, what does "MRO" mean?

"Maintenance-Repair-Operations"



MGGS
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24197 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Aerolineas Argentinas is not flying the CUN-MEX segment anymore:

AR 1946.......EZE 00:15........CUN 06:45.......Mo, Su............340
AR 1947.......CUN 08:45.......EZE 19:50........Mo, Su............340

Regards.

Do they still fly EZE-MEX or did they cancel that route?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24117 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 20):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Just out of curiosity, what does "MRO" mean?

"Maintenance-Repair-Operations"

   -    - Overhaul  

Now, looking at some AI-Flight-plans for my FS9 (what a source, I know...) I noticed Martinair Cargo no longer flying to MEX and Air Cargo Germany flying there. Is that accurate?


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23990 times:

What is Air Cargo Germany bringing???

What I've seen is LH Cargo on MD11.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23961 times:

In today's issue of CAPA (18.05.12), it states the following:

Mexicana will reportedly resume services in Jun-2012 with nine aircraft (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012). Med Atlantic CEO Cristian Chains reportedly stated that Mexicana will begin operations with an investment of MXN400 million (USD28.9 million) and expects to operate 55 aircraft by Dec-2013
Full article in (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012)

I find this very interesting as this is a very quick re-start time frame wise. Wonder what aircraft and cities will be served? Some many open questions.



Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 24078 times:

Quoting LH498 (Reply 22):
I noticed Martinair Cargo no longer flying to MEX

MP didn't serve MEX in W11, thus they've been gone a while


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24007 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 24):
Mexicana will reportedly resume services in Jun-2012 with nine aircraft (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012). Med Atlantic CEO Cristian Chains reportedly stated that Mexicana will begin operations with an investment of MXN400 million (USD28.9 million) and expects to operate 55 aircraft by Dec-2013

Blah, blah, blah. I mean, that MX might restart ops this year with 9 aircraft is perhaps somewhat believable (not a lot though). That it will have a fleet of 55 in 18 months... well, that is just a load of bull. Where exactly do they expect to find 46 aircraft or, better yet, how do they expect to fund the lease or acquisition of those birds. I cannot help but think this is quite pathetic.

Btw, the investor's officer is Cristian Cadena haha. Someone translated his last name to English.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24292 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 24):
Mexicana will reportedly resume services in Jun-2012 with nine aircraft (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012). Med Atlantic CEO Cristian Chains reportedly stated that Mexicana will begin operations with an investment of MXN400 million (USD28.9 million) and expects to operate 55 aircraft by Dec-2013
Full article in (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012)

MX is gone. It would be more financially wise to start an airline from scratch rather to relaunch MX.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 26):
Btw, the investor's officer is Cristian Cadena haha. Someone translated his last name to English.

Ha, I hadn't noticed that 


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 24156 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
Do they still fly EZE-MEX or did they cancel that route?

Absolutely no more flights on the AR CUN-MEX sector for the time being.
That gives more power to AM MEX-EZE 10x weekly with 762.

Regards



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23946 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 23):
What is Air Cargo Germany bringing???

They have a fleet of 4 B744BCFs.

I´ve found the following flights:
6U 3205 HHN-MEX Arr. Wed. at 04:15 LT
6U 3206 MEX-ATL-HHN Dep. at 06:45 LT

6U 3207 HHN-HAJ-MEX Arr. Sun. at 07:15 LT
6U 3208 MEX-DFW-HHN Dep. at 08:45 LT

Flight 3207 must have some connection with Volkswagen, since Wolfsburg is just 1 hour away.
According to the following article (in German): http://www.verkehrsrundschau.de/air-...many-erweitert-flotte-1116841.html the first flight was just this past Sunday. Other interesting subjects are their expansion with 3 additional B747Fs coming from Air Bridge Cargo(Volga-Dnepr had just recently bought 49% of the company) allowing them fly to VCP, BOG and UIO.

Looking forward to some pics of this new guest!


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 23846 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 24):
Mexicana will reportedly resume services in Jun-2012

If this were true I would expect to see publicity and articles in the Mexican newspapers. Since MX shut down, Volaris, Interjet, AM and Viva have filled in the void. In the USA we have only seen consolidation and no new national carriers in decades. The MX debt seems to be staggering: workers, airports and providers. Rest in Peace!


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 23803 times:
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How's Volaris doing out of SJC? Is there any chance we may see them add MEX-SJC several times a week?

Is there any chance we'll see AM enter SJC?


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 846 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23550 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 31):
How's Volaris doing out of SJC? Is there any chance we may see them add MEX-SJC several times a week?

Is there any chance we'll see AM enter SJC?


I can't vouch for Volaris, but AS has been operating full 4x a week SJC-GDL. Rumor has it AS will go daily SJC-GDL with the winter schedule. However, it would be nice to see the other 3x a week operate SJC-MEX instead!

Tom SJC



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23463 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 32):
I can't vouch for Volaris, but AS has been operating full 4x a week SJC-GDL. Rumor has it AS will go daily SJC-GDL with the winter schedule. However, it would be nice to see the other 3x a week operate SJC-MEX instead!

Volaris must be doing well on SJC-GDL. They operate the flight daily at the moment and for the summer they will be adding three additional weekly frequencies to operate the route 10x weekly.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22758 times:

AeroMexico postponed the new CUN-BOG non-stop service from May 10th to June 14th:

AM 718........CUN 01:55..........BOG 05:00...........Tu, Th, Su
AM 719........BOG 07:00..........CUN 10:10...........Tu, Th, Su

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 22609 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 32):

I can't vouch for Volaris, but AS has been operating full 4x a week SJC-GDL. Rumor has it AS will go daily SJC-GDL with the winter schedule. However, it would be nice to see the other 3x a week operate SJC-MEX instead!


I'm happy to hear AS is doing well on their SJC-GDL flight! I hope they do add SJC-MEX. There's definitely a market that has gone untapped for quite sometime now. I appreciate the response, Tom. Otherwise, there would be no response about AS in this market, let alone Volaris.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 22539 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 24):
Mexicana will reportedly resume services in Jun-2012 with nine aircraft (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012). Med Atlantic CEO Cristian Chains reportedly stated that Mexicana will begin operations with an investment of MXN400 million (USD28.9 million) and expects to operate 55 aircraft by Dec-2013
Full article in (economia.terra.com.mx, 17-May-2012)

Let me guess. Are they trying to fly MEX to CUN, TIJ, MTY and GDL? That has failure written all over it. IF they get creative and try something radical like a scissor hub in CUN, GDL or even QET they may survive, although in a small scale. They need to find a niche if they're serious about getting back in the air, but I really really doubt they will.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 22489 times:

Interjet will be flying to SJO starting June 21, 2012. The airline will fly daily MEX-SJO. Flights are up for sale on Interjet's website. This came up fast for sale. Less than a month before flights begin. Apparently MEX-NYC will be the next to be launched, no date given.

4O 2920 MEX 9:30am- 11:25am SJO (M, T, W, Th, F)
4O 2921 SJO 12:25pm- 4:30pm MEX (M, T, W, Th, F)

4O 2920 MEX 11:40am- 1:35pm SJO (St, Sn)
4O 2921 SJO 2:35pm- 6:40pm MEX (St, Sn)


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22475 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 31):
Is there any chance we'll see AM enter SJC?

I think if we ever see AM enter SJC it will probably be from GDL, just like they operate the FAT, ONT and SMF flights.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22807 times:

I've found it interesting to (try to) follow Volaris in SAN since we're quickly approaching Y4's first anniversary in our city. And AFAIK, SAN is the last US city that Volaris has added to its route map; they've really slowed their US expansion lately...

Keeping in mind the difficulty in even seeing how frequent the service really is, it seems that MEX-SAN is doing pretty well overall and GDL-SAN, not so much. Both routes seem to vary a lot seasonally, heck, weekly, yet GDL flights drop to only 2x weekly sometimes -- like right now -- while MEX seems mostly to be 5-7x a week. (I even see added service above daily during certain periods between MEX and SAN.)

This seems to be the opposite of a lot of the CA stations (such as FAT, SMF, etc.) where GDL seems to rule. I do know that most of this traffic is vfr but I would also expect to find a fairly good amount of that traffic in a big city like San Diego.

I can't explain it as the proximity of TIJ to San Diego since there is lots of service from both Mexico City and Guadalajara there. But then I don't even know what the makeup of Y4's traffic is in and out of SAN -- mostly vfr, business, tourism? I assume it's primarily Mexico-originiating traffic but since Volaris offers the only service from Lindbergh to the two largest Mexican business centers, I expect they would also carry at least some US-originating vfr and business traffic as well. Could the timing of the flights have anything to do with it?

I'd appreciate anyone else's take on this situation. I know this is where I will find the Mexico-travel experts!

bb


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22776 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 37):
Interjet will be flying to SJO starting June 21, 2012.


The fare war has begun in Costa Rica since 4O announced the new service heading to SJO.
Copa Airlines is here proving tickets to MEX via Panama City up to 35% cheaper than regular price.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 22234 times:

Costa Rica is experiencing new flights to Mexico in the forthcoming weeks:


InterJet. Mexico City - San Jose.
4O 2920.......MEX 09:30.......SJO 11:25.......Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr
4O 2920.......MEX 11:40.......SJO 13:35.......Sa, Su

4O 2921.......SJO 12:25.......MEX 16:30.......Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr
4O 2921.......SJO 14:35.......MEX 18:40.......Sa, Su
Effective: June 21st




AeroMexico. Cancun - San Jose
AM 690.....CUN 10:55........SJO 12:05..........Daily..........73G
AM 691.....SJO 13:05.........CUN 16:10.........Daily..........73G
Effective: July 07th
This route was briefly operated by Mexicana during their last months of commercial operations.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinewhatusaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21975 times:

What's with Y4 running a second flight GDL-FAT-GDL on June 30th only.

Are they projecting heavier traffic or is there something in the works? I've heard they've been wanting to add a second flight to GDL on peak days or a second flight during the daylight hours.

Anyone know what's really going on here...


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21731 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 36):

InterJet. Mexico City - San Jose.
4O 2920.......MEX 09:30.......SJO 11:25.......Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr
4O 2920.......MEX 11:40.......SJO 13:35.......Sa, Su

4O 2921.......SJO 12:25.......MEX 16:30.......Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr
4O 2921.......SJO 14:35.......MEX 18:40.......Sa, Su
Effective: June 21st

Thanks for re-posting the information that was deleted from my post by the system.  


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21730 times:

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 37):
What's with Y4 running a second flight GDL-FAT-GDL on June 30th only.

Are they projecting heavier traffic or is there something in the works? I've heard they've been wanting to add a second flight to GDL on peak days or a second flight during the daylight hours.

Anyone know what's really going on here...

They have the same thing happening for GDL-MDW. They're running a second flight but with weird departure times on June 22, 23, & 27. Its not the seasonal 942/943 flight that departs MDW at 6am. Hmm testing different times for second flight...   


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21580 times:

Y4 runs additional sections between SAN and MEX sometimes, generally around holidays (well, US ones that I'm aware of) but not only then. Sometimes I've seen an extra flight on just one day, sometimes the extra capacity seems to occur over a multi-day period. (There have occasionally even been some between SAN and GDL -- a route this does not appear to be doing real well...)

bb


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21434 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 39):
Keeping in mind the difficulty in even seeing how frequent the service really is, it seems that MEX-SAN is doing pretty well overall and GDL-SAN, not so much. Both routes seem to vary a lot seasonally, heck, weekly, yet GDL flights drop to only 2x weekly sometimes -- like right now -- while MEX seems mostly to be 5-7x a week. (I even see added service above daily during certain periods between MEX and SAN.)

Is SAN-GDL not doing so well because of AM flying the route as well or perhaps most who fly to GDL and or transfer there, prefer to cross the border and fly from TIJ because of lower fares, the choice of more flights?
MX flew varying schedules depending on the day as well as up and downgauging a/c all the time depending on demand. It's a good way to control yields and not adding too much capacity on certain days when the demand is not there.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21235 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 41):
Is SAN-GDL not doing so well because of AM flying the route as well or perhaps most who fly to GDL and or transfer there, prefer to cross the border and fly from TIJ because of lower fares, the choice of more flights?

AM doesn't serve SAN anymore laca' so competition is not the reason Y4 has trouble on the route. TIJ's proximity certainly is a factor but I would have thought there were enough folks bound to or from GDL from the north side of the border to make one flight successful -- and, more importantly, so apparently did Volaris. SAN-MEX seems to be doing ok so that's another part of the puzzle that doesn't make sense to me. Why MEX and not GDL?

(Given the difficulty with finding actual schedules for Y4, I really am not sure what the frequencies of service on either route are. The only "schedule" I know of is at the bottom of the routemap page and every week seems to be very different from the previous and the next one... If anyone knows of the existence of any kind of even semi-reliable timetable for Volaris, I would love to find out about it!)

If Y4 keeps serving the route, even as little as 2x weekly at times, eventually it might pick up. And possibly as long as MEX continues to do well, they might be likely to carry GDL along. If they're good enough at predicting traffic, and don't mind reducing the service to only twice a week for certain periods, and those few flights are full enough, then maybe everything is fine.

bb


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21208 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 47):
SAN-MEX seems to be doing ok so that's another part of the puzzle that doesn't make sense to me. Why MEX and not GDL?

I'd think GDL is more VFR than MEX. I can see MEX generating more business traffic (if there's any, I don't really know) and affluent shoppers that wouldn't want to deal with Tijuana and the border crossing.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21195 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 48):
can see MEX generating more business traffic (if there's any, I don't really know)

Qualcomm, Sempra and probably some biotech and I.T.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 21147 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 44):
Qualcomm, Sempra and probably some biotech and I.T.

Definitely. But I had been under the impression that both GDL and MEX were primarily business markets for SAN (and v.v.) yet I know that there is a lot of vfr traffic to/from GDL from most U.S. cities. And if GDL is mainly vfr traffic, then I suppose the cheaper domestic flights to TIJ would catch most of that traffic.

Well, so far SAN-GDL is staying around, just minimal flights at times. So we'll just see what happens. Thanks for the input folks.

bb


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20879 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 45):

It looks like Volaris will not be flying GDL-SAN after August 20, 2012 for the slow fall season. The bookings for this flight stop on the 19th of August. But it appears Y4 brings back the flight 4x weekly during the holiday season starting December 13, 2012 and running until January 13, 2013.

Volaris will reduce the frequencies on MEX-SAN after September 3, 2012 flying the route 3x weekly up until December 1, 2012 when the airline will once again start flying the route daily for the holidays. After February 4, 2013 Y4 will fly MEX-SAN 5X weekly.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20823 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 46):
It looks like Volaris will not be flying GDL-SAN after August 20, 2012 for the slow fall season. The bookings for this flight stop on the 19th of August. But it appears Y4 brings back the flight 4x weekly during the holiday season starting December 13, 2012 and running until January 13, 2013.

Volaris will reduce the frequencies on MEX-SAN after September 3, 2012 flying the route 3x weekly up until December 1, 2012 when the airline will once again start flying the route daily for the holidays. After February 4, 2013 Y4 will fly MEX-SAN 5X weekly

Ahhhh, gracias '757. So GDL is underperforming MEX to the point of becoming seasonal.

May I ask where you got this schedule information? Anywhere on Y4's website? As I asked in Reply 42, I hope to find some good source for Volaris schedules.

bb


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 20800 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 47):
May I ask where you got this schedule information? Anywhere on Y4's website? As I asked in Reply 42, I hope to find some good source for Volaris schedules.

Its all posted on their website. You can check out the information when you go to book flights or in the 'Where We Fly' section.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20350 times:

Copa Airlines will increase their frequencies into the Panama City - Cancun service from 21x to 28x weekly.

New flight:

CM 325.......PTY 09:51.........CUN 12:26....Daily
CM 326.......CUN 14:01........MEX 16:32....Daily
Effective: June 23rd

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20355 times:

Does anyone know how long AM will maintain their newest Madrid night-departure? (AM-022)

just for the high season?



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20209 times:

[quote=SKY1,reply=50]
Does anyone know how long AM will maintain their newest Madrid night-departure? (AM-022)

just for the high season?


Yes, until the end of August.

Kind Regards,


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20240 times:

Moreover, AM 0021/0022 is operated with a 767ER, as opposed to 0001 and 0002, which are operated with 77Es.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20034 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 50):
Does anyone know how long AM will maintain their newest Madrid night-departure? (AM-022)

just for the high season?

Until they have the fleet as of October, XA-AMX will be returned to the lessor.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 59, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19991 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 53):
Until they have the fleet as of October, XA-AMX will be returned to the lessor.

So how many 767s will AM have once XA-AMX leaves the fleet? They will have to wait quite a bit before they get their hands on the first 788 so will AM have to cut frequencies?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 60, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19894 times:

If XA-AMX was to leave today, the fleet would remain with:

5xB767-200ER
2xB767-300ER

For a total of 7, right now AM is flying 8 Boeing 767's.

AM was just a few months ago and even people went to see 2xB777 in Asia.

Maybe by end of the year a 767 would leave but a 777 would join.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 61, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19798 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 55):
Maybe by end of the year a 767 would leave but a 777 would join.

Thanks for the info. I hope that happens; it would be nice. Would it be a fifth 77E or is there any chance it could be an L or a W?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19811 times:

Alaska Airlines will modify some of their routes involving Mexico:

AS SJC-GDL 4x to 7x weekly, 738. Effective: December 15th
AS SJC-SJD 2x to 7x weekly, 734. Effective: December 15th

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19785 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 54):
They will have to wait quite a bit before they get their hands on the first 788 so will AM have to cut frequencies?

It appears that AM will not increase frequency on the MEX-SCL route later this year as planned.



Quoting ghost77 (Reply 55):
If XA-AMX was to leave today, the fleet would remain with:

What is the status of XA-JBC? Did AM purchase this a/c recently?


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 846 posts, RR: 2
Reply 64, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19771 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 57):
Alaska Airlines will modify some of their routes involving Mexico:

AS SJC-GDL 4x to 7x weekly, 738. Effective: December 15th



I believe this is at the expense of dropping SMF-GDL all together

Tomas SJC



When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward -Leonardo DaVinci
User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19731 times:

[quote=ghost77,reply=53]Quoting SKY1 (Reply 50):
Does anyone know how long AM will maintain their newest Madrid night-departure? (AM-022)

just for the high season?

Until they have the fleet as of October, XA-AMX will be returned to the lessor.

Last flight (AM 22) will be Aug 27. As per current schedule.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 66, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19685 times:

Last week Volaris applied for an extra bilateral on MEX-MCO. I don't know if the authority has been granted by the DOT but Y4 has put up MEX-MCO for sale on their website with flights starting July 14, 2012 2x weekly. Flights operate Tuesdays and Saturdays. Orlando will become Volaris 8th destination in the U.S.

Y4 980 MEX 8:05am- 12:345pm MCO
Y4 981 MCO 2:00pm- 4:40pm MEX

And Volaris will also commence flying Culiacan(CUL)-LAX starting August 4, 2012. Flights operate 1x weekly on Saturdays. CUL will become Y4's 6th destination out of LAX

Y4 918 CUL 3:25pm- 4:50pm LAX
Y4 919 LAX 6:20pm- 9:40pm CUL


User currently offlinewingedtaurus From Mexico, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19552 times:

Is AM getting any 787s this year?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 68, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19530 times:

Quoting wingedtaurus (Reply 62):
Is AM getting any 787s this year?

I believe the first will arrive in the second half of 2013 but hopefully someone can confirm.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19361 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 61):
Volaris applied for an extra bilateral on MEX-MCO. I don't know if the authority has been granted by the DOT but Y4 has put up MEX-MCO for sale on their website with flights starting July 14, 2012 2x weekly. Flights operate Tuesdays and Saturdays. Orlando will become Volaris 8th destination in the U.S.

Y4 980 MEX 8:05am- 12:345pm MCO
Y4 981 MCO 2:00pm- 4:40pm MEX

Y4 MEX-MCO is planning to operate from 2x to 1x weekly in September.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19332 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 59):

I believe this is at the expense of dropping SMF-GDL all together

I am happy to hear SJC-GDL is going daily as is SJD! Congratulations to SJC.

Perhaps we'll see them add SJC-MEX, next. 3-4X a week to start?


User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19010 times:

Well, once again LH postponed the start of MUC-MEX flight, from Feb 1 2013 to March 31st.

With this new delay, it will be more that a year late, of course if they start in this new date.


Best Regards,


User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

UA will pull the plug on TLC and TGZ service from sept 5.

Toluca definitely lost all of its charm some years ago. Only Int operation remaining will be the 2 x week NK FLL & the daily DFW. Let's see how long it lasts.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 73, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18495 times:

A daily ERJ-145 was not much anyway.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 74, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18165 times:

Interjet has finally announced it will be flying to New York City! The airline will opetate daily MEX-JFK flight starting August 2, 2012.

4O 2992 MEX 4:40pm- 10:30pm JFK
4O 2993 JFK 7:25am- 11:30am MEX


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18133 times:

Too bad GUA passengers cannot connect to the JFK flight. The flught arrives to MEX at 5:55 pm if I'm not mistaken.


avi8
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18069 times:
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Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 69):
Interjet has finally announced it will be flying to New York City! The airline will opetate daily MEX-JFK flight starting August 2, 2012.

4O 2992 MEX 4:40pm- 10:30pm JFK
4O 2993 JFK 7:25am- 11:30am MEX

I'm impressed to see them start JFK. Will they offer any inflight service, or will this be no frills, BOB?

I wonder if we're going to see them add LAX or MDW/ORD?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17965 times:

Spirit Airlines has issued the application for the Dallas/Ft.Worth - Cancun service.
It reports one weekly service and eventually starting from November 10th.
The expansion out of DFW will complement the existing NK DFW-TLC 7x weekly.



Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 78, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17902 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 71):
I'm impressed to see them start JFK. Will they offer any inflight service, or will this be no frills, BOB?

I wonder if we're going to see them add LAX or MDW/ORD?

Not sure what kind of product they will offer. Probably the same one as they do to their current international destinations.

We won't see Interjet flying to LAX or MDW/ORD from MEX since Volaris has the extrabilateral authorities for those routes. If we do see Interjet at those airports it will probably be from somewhere else in Mexico, from GDL or CUN perhaps.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 79, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17759 times:

I see Delta is dropping its SLC-MEX service. Last flight 04Sep.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17626 times:

Air Canada will begin Toronto - Huatulco service:

AC 1796.....YYZ 10:20.........HUX 13:55.........Sa.......319
AC 1797.....HUX 14:55.........YYZ 21:40.........Sa.......319
Effective: December 22nd.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17526 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 74):
I see Delta is dropping its SLC-MEX service. Last flight 04Sep.

That is a real pity. DL's attempt to connect all of its hubs to MEX failed. MPS-MEX was pulled earlier this year, now SLC-MEX. The one-weekly MEM-MEX was also unsuccessful. I wonder if MEX-DTW could support a larger plane (it is an A319 if I understand correctly).

Will there be seasonal AM service from MEX to SLC this coming winter?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17486 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 81):

That is a real pity. DL's attempt to connect all of its hubs to MEX failed. MPS-MEX was pulled earlier this year, now SLC-MEX. The one-weekly MEM-MEX was also unsuccessful. I wonder if MEX-DTW could support a larger plane (it is an A319 if I understand correctly).

Will there be seasonal AM service from MEX to SLC this coming winter?

That is too bad. It seems to be the make or break of service to MEX depends on where the hub connection cities are. Didn't AM attempt SLC-MEX before DL added service? Perhaps DL will make SLC-MEX a seasonal service, the Winter Holidays and Summer time?
I'm not surprised about MEM or MSP. Is DTW being flown with a A319/73W?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 83, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17443 times:

If memory serves me well, AM flew seasonally (and not daily) to SLC at some point. I wonder whether AM or DL will operate MEX-SLC seasonally as you mention. I think it is highly likely.

Last time I checked, MEX-DTW was an A319 route, but DL has shuffled NW and DL planes around quite a bit, so it is possible that this has changed.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 84, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17314 times:

Its been interesting for me to watch, the checkered experience Delta has with Mexico. As we know they inherited a strong franchise with Western, however seemingly they have failed to capitalize and build upon it.
Even with the close AM/Skyteam partnership today which should provide market help, they still seem to come and go from routes quite regularly.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17063 times:

5D introduced the first Embraer 170 last weekend:

 


First 170 (Registration XA-ACP) will be flying this path: MEX-VER-MEX-CPE-MEX-ACA-MEX-CPE-MEX daily.

A couple more will be delivered soon.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 80):

5D introduced the first Embraer 170 last weekend:

Airplane looks nice in 5D colors.    I wonder if some of those planes will be flown to the US.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16911 times:

United Airlines has announced it will start flying ORD-MTY starting December 19, 2012. The flight will be flown by United Express using CRJ700. UA will put the flights up for sale once it gets government approval.

Hope UA has better luck at making this route work. I think we may see UA jump on ORD-GDL soon if MTY has been announced from Chicago. I wonder if this will influence Volaris to start MDW-MTY. They have been very quiet when it comes to Chicago-Mexico new route additions.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...nal-domestic-routes-145800889.html


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16842 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 80):
5D introduced the first Embraer 170 last weekend:

It does look great! I think AM is doing the right thing by replacing ERJ-145s with E-170s!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinewingedtaurus From Mexico, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16674 times:

How many daily flights between MEX-NYC (JFK and EWR) and with what planes?

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

Is AM going to fly CUN-LIM-GRU next month ?

Amadeus says so; 2 weekly flights during August using a 737.

Do you guys know anything about this ?


Regards,



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16580 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 85):
Is AM going to fly CUN-LIM-GRU next month ?

Amadeus says so; 2 weekly flights during August using a 737.

Do you guys know anything about this ?

Yes, as of Aug 4, AM will be operating this flight until Sep 1:



AM1125/AM1125 GRU 0410 CUN 1355   LIM 738 -----67
AM1124/AM1124 CUN 1340 GRU 0300+1 LIM 738 ----56-




This flight will take more than 11 hours and the stop at LIM is technical with no traffic rights there.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16571 times:
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Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 90):

AM is also increasing frequency on the MEX-LIM route from 10x weekly up to 12x weekly.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16541 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 87):
AM is also increasing frequency on the MEX-LIM route from 10x weekly up to 12x weekly.

AM will up frequencies to 11x by late Aug and to 12x by Sep 9:



AM18 MEX 1820 LIM 0005+1 738 1234567
AM48 MEX 2355 LIM 0545+1 737 1-3-567

AM19 LIM 0120 MEX 0705   738 1234567
AM49 LIM 0805 MEX 1405   737 12-4-67


As of Aug, Boeing will deliver 3 738 to AM, so MEX-LIM is one of the routes to receive these new additions.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16523 times:
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Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 88):
AM will up frequencies to 11x by late Aug and to 12x by Sep 9:

It looks like AM will further increase frequency on the MEX-LIM route up to 13x weekly starting in October. During October, LA will also increase frequency on LIM-MEX route. AM codeshares with LA on this route and will be able to offer up to 21 weekly non-stop flights between MEX and LIM!


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16510 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 89):
It looks like AM will further increase frequency on the MEX-LIM route up to 13x weekly starting in October.

Yupp:


AM18 MEX 1820 LIM 0005+1 738 1234567
AM48 MEX 2355 LIM 0545+1 737 1-34567

AM19 LIM 0120 MEX 0705   738 1234567
AM49 LIM 0805 MEX 1405   737 12-4567


More opportunities for connections to PVG and NRT...


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 96, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16419 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 86):
This flight will take more than 11 hours and the stop at LIM is technical with no traffic rights there.

Ugh!

Am I the only one who thinks that MEX-LIM is a route that should be served by AM with widebody planes?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16410 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 91):
Am I the only one who thinks that MEX-LIM is a route that should be served by AM with widebody planes?

I was just going to ask, this route would be better served by a 762, than a 73G/73H. If LA is flying this route, AM loses out when it comes to the products they offer in J & Y.
It would be even better if AM could find a a few 75Ws to operate routes such as MEX-LIM, but I do know the chances of this happening are slim to none.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16376 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 86):
This flight will take more than 11 hours and the stop at LIM is technical with no traffic rights there.

Thanks for the info. Too bad that AM will not sell seats between CUN and LIM. LAN is currently charging high fares for that route, clearly its demand is higher than its offer. IMO, AM should fly to LIM from CUN.

.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 89):
It looks like AM will further increase frequency on the MEX-LIM route up to 13x weekly starting in October. During October, LA will also increase frequency on LIM-MEX route.

That's great news, thanks for sharing ! AM could easily fly twice daily to LIM.

.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 91):
Am I the only one who thinks that MEX-LIM is a route that should be served by AM with widebody planes?

         You're not the only one that has that very same opinion. AM should operate that route with a 763. That way the service and product onboard would be more attractive for those flying to Asia and the US via MEX. Just my 2 cents.

Regards,



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

It appears AM will be moving their ORD-MTY from a midnight operation 4x weekly to a daily afternoon turn eff. 8/28.

Could be a reactionary move to UA's announcement?


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16094 times:
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Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 99):
It appears AM will be moving their ORD-MTY from a midnight operation 4x weekly to a daily afternoon turn eff. 8/28.

Could be a reactionary move to UA's announcement?

Perhaps it is. At least AM will fly better a/c in the market. Is this a 73G or E90?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16035 times:
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Now that PEMEX will apparently receive private investment, how far fetched is the prospect of AM opening a route to the Middle East and one to Africa, Lagos, for example?


MGGS
User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16022 times:

Quoting wingedtaurus (Reply 84):

AMX 4x daily 737-700/800
DAL 2X 757
UAL 2X 738
AIJ 1X A320



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15992 times:
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Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 93):
LAN is currently charging high fares for that route, clearly its demand is higher than its offer.

LA plans to increase flights into CUN from SCL starting in September and may add additional flights on the LIM-CUN route during Q4 to feed both banks at LIM. Initially, LA will increase frequency on the SCL-CUN-MIA route to 2x weekly (B763) and will offer rapid connections between CUN and EZE via SCL.



Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 93):
That's great news, thanks for sharing ! AM could easily fly twice daily to LIM.

LA will increase frequency on both the SCL-MEX and LIM-MEX routes later this year. I also agree that AM should deploy a widebody a/c on the MEX-LIM route for cargo traffic between Perú and Asia; especially between Perú and Japan.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15982 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 98):
LA will increase frequency on the SCL-CUN-MIA route to 2x weekly (B763) and will offer rapid connections between CUN and EZE via SCL.

Do they have fifth freedom between CUN-MIA?



MGGS
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15940 times:
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Quoting AR385 (Reply 99):
Do they have fifth freedom between CUN-MIA?

Nope, LA sells it as a direct flight between SCL and MIA and a non-stop flight between SCL and CUN. It used to operate as SCL-HAV-CUN-MIA in the past and the a/c was ferried between CUN and MIA.


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15875 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 100):
Perhaps it is. At least AM will fly better a/c in the market. Is this a 73G or E90?

73G, at least they timed it close to the MEX-ORD-MEX turn.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15924 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 96):
Now that PEMEX will apparently receive private investment

Well, that remains to be seen.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 96):
how far fetched is the prospect of AM opening a route to the Middle East and one to Africa, Lagos, for example?

Well, I think we would see an increase of capacity from IAH to MEX, REX, MTT, VSA and CME. We might also see the return of YYC-MEX and, finally, the launching of GIG-MEX. AM and VW would do well to adjust schedules and capacity from MEX to REX, MTT, VSA and CME so as to allow for connections with their foreign partners. With a little bit of luck, we might also see more frequencies on MEX-PVG or perhaps the arrival of a Chinese airline at MEX (Chinese giants such as Sinopec and CNOOC are probably going to feel tempted to enter the Mexican market). I do not think that opening our oil sector would automatically result in routes to places like that ones you mention.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15910 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 102):
We might also see the return of YYC-MEX and, finally, the launching of GIG-MEX.

I was going to ask you guys that: what prevents AM to finally launch GIG?

We know of the fleet restrictions but AM launched a few routes and upgrades with the 763 and still GIG sees no service to MEX. Why? It's very weird, if you ask me.

For the record, the largest number of MEX-GIG passengers is carried by...Copa. Where's AM? They could begin with a 3x weekly service at least.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15873 times:

I have no idea AF086. It is mind-boggling. Now, thanks to the AM-JJ codeshare agreement, at least AM can rely on JJ to take passengers from GRU to Rio on a single ticket, but that really does not address the fact that a nonstop MEX-GIG is needed. I am very hopeful that once AM starts receiving 787s it will address this, but then again who knows. If I am not mistaken, a few years ago (before the global financial crisis, an AM rep had explained in an interview that GIG was definitely on their radar, but then the crisis hit and nothing was ever said about GIG.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15652 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 92):
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 91):Am I the only one who thinks that MEX-LIM is a route that should be served by AM with widebody planes?
I was just going to ask, this route would be better served by a 762, than a 73G/73H. If LA is flying this route, AM loses out when it comes to the products they offer in J & Y.

According to official figures, LP with the 763 was the fastest growing carrier last April:


MEXICO CITY & LIMA MAJOR CARRIER TRAFFIC 2011 vs 2012
=====================================================
Operator     PAX Apr-11    PAX Apr-12     % Chg      
-----------------------------------------------------
AMX (737)      10,625        10,953       + 3.1      
LPE (767)       8,503         9,572       +12.6      
TPU (320)       4,783         3,306       -30.9      

TOTAL          23,911        23,831        -0.3      
=====================================================
Source: Flyapm.com/foro



In general, traffic between Mexico and Peru is growing. In the coming months we will see major changes once AM increases frequencies.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

Volaris has just received 2 brand new 320s; here both at XFW during test phase:

 


Registrations: N510VL (ex D-AVVS) and N511VL (ex D-AVVU).

Those planes are the 36th and 37th for the company. Three more are expected before year end.

[Edited 2012-07-14 14:17:32]

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15567 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 85):
Is AM going to fly CUN-LIM-GRU next month ?

Amadeus says so; 2 weekly flights during August using a 737.

Do you guys know anything about this ?

This is only a seasonal flight up to September 01st.
There's no any GRU-CUN as non-stop yet.
The disadvantage consists in their only two operational days a week.
Their competitors can connect GRU-CUN daily through any of their hubs year-round.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineskyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15522 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 111):

Exactou... Yesterday I flew on N510VL from MEX to CUN and the pilot said it was this airplane's first day of revenue service. Since boarding, it smelled brand new. Amazing it has 29 rows and 174 seats vs 4O s 150 seats. i think Y4 finally understood A319s are a No No vs A320 s and is buying only the 174 seaters now.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15423 times:
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Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 105):
TPU (320)       4,783         3,306       -30.9      

IIRC, TA reduced frequency on the LIM-MEX route to 4x weekly during that month. Also, it looks like TA now deploys the A319 on the LIM-MEX route.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 105):
In general, traffic between Mexico and Peru is growing. In the coming months we will see major changes once AM increases frequencies.

Indeed, the LIM-MEX route will be among one of the fastest growing routes from LIM.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15183 times:

AM might restart DFW-MEX according to the Dallas Business Journal: http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...ng-aeromexico-asiana.html?page=all

It seems that MX (bankrupt) and Y4 (not flying the route) currently hold authority to fly MEX-DFW, and AM will either get Y4's authority when it becomes up for renewal, or will get an exemption to fly as a third carrier given MX's bankruptcy. The articles talks about multiple daily flights using regional jets (I suppose E-170s or E-190s). AM would like to secure authority in order to start flying by fall.

On other AM-related news, they will launch 14 weekly MEX-QRO service in September. There is a link to an article but sadly only in Spanish: http://eleconomista.com.mx/estados/2...eretaro-aeromexico-abre-destino-df

[Edited 2012-07-16 13:45:53]


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15175 times:

As reported in another thread, Spirit has just applied for DFW-SJD and SAN-SJD authority. The DFW-service, a fast-growing hub for Spirit, is proposed to begin next June with service 4x weekly. SAN-SJD would commence this November 8 with daily service (and apparently providing direct, thru-plane round-trip service from DFW as well.)

This is exciting for SAN to see another route to Mexico. We formerly had both AS and AM flying between here and Cabo daily and year-round but of course AM pulled stakes and left San Diego. So far, Volaris has not shown any signs of adding any additional routes from Lindbergh Field as they continue to try to make both MEX and GDL work from here.

Alaska offers more than daily service between SAN and SJD sometimes (like this summer for example) so it would seem that there is enough business in the market to support more than one carrier.

SAN just approved plans for a duty-free shop in the int'l departures holding room in T2E so it seems that more such flights are on the horizon -- including Mexico I hope!

bb


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14906 times:

Aeroflot is planning to launch the Moscow Sheremetyevo - Cancun service as 2x weekly.


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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14822 times:

Early rumors suggest that the 70-aircraft order AM is about to announce at Farnborough air show is composed of 62 orders for 737MAX aircraft, which will replace the entire fleet of 737NGs currently in service, as well as eight new 787-900, which will replace and expand the current fleet of four 772s.

Rumors also run that the initial batch of 787-800 aircraft is not just composed of seven aircraft to replace the current 762/763 fleet on a one-to-one basis as originally planned, but it is now up to nine 788s that AM will start receiving in summer of 2013. Good growth plans for the short haul as well as the long haul network.

[Edited 2012-07-19 00:55:50]

[Edited 2012-07-19 00:56:36]

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

Looks like Volaris is shifting flight schedules at MDW. Starting in September Volaris will be operating GDL-MDW-GDL in the evening taking over the MEX flight schedule. The daily GDL flight will have the aircraft RON at MDW increasing the MDW-MLM weekly frequency from 2x to 4x weekly and MDW-ZCL staying at 2x weekly. With this shift in the schedule we are seeing the writing in the wall Y4 might be connecting another Mexican city (hint, BJX) to MDW since one day of the week, Wenesday is open with no flights departing in the morning. I don't think Y4 has the luxury of having an aircraft sit at MDW for 18 hours. MEX-MDW will now operate in the morning and depart back to MEX in the afternoon.

New flight schedule

Y4 940 GDL 5:00pm - 9:09pm MDW (Daily)
Y4 941 MDW 5:00pm - 9:18pm GDL (Daily)

Y4 946 MLM 11:50am - 3:40pm MDW (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday)
Y4 947 MDW 7:00 am - 10:55am MLM (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday)

Y4 948 ZCL 12:10pm - 3:40pm MDW (Monday, Saturday)
Y4 949 MDW 7:00am - 10:50am ZCL (Monday, Saturday)

Y4 943 MEX 10:50am - 2:45pm MDW (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday)
Y4 944 MDW 4:00pm - 8:10pm MEX (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday)


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 120, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14609 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 117):
Aeroflot is planning to launch the Moscow Sheremetyevo - Cancun service as 2x weekly.

Are they regularly scheduled or charters for holiday companies? It'd be awesome to be able to fly MEX-CUN-SVO with AM and SU.  
Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 118):
Early rumors suggest that the 70-aircraft order AM is about to announce at Farnborough air show is composed of 62 orders for 737MAX aircraft, which will replace the entire fleet of 737NGs currently in service, as well as eight new 787-900, which will replace and expand the current fleet of four 772s.

Rumors also run that the initial batch of 787-800 aircraft is not just composed of seven aircraft to replace the current 762/763 fleet on a one-to-one basis as originally planned, but it is now up to nine 788s that AM will start receiving in summer of 2013.

Wow, nice. That would mean that AM would eventually have, in the aggregate, up to 17 widebody aircraft, all from the 787 family to solve their long-haul needs. This is a nice number! Hope we will have an official announcement soon.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 121, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14605 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 115):
Are they regularly scheduled or charters for holiday companies? It'd be awesome to be able to fly MEX-CUN-SVO with AM and SU.

SU currently flies SVO-CUN weekly as a scheduled service. It increases to twice weekly in October.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 115):
Wow, nice. That would mean that AM would eventually have, in the aggregate, up to 17 widebody aircraft, all from the 787 family to solve their long-haul needs.

This is great news! So far, AM is the only foreign carrier that has officially listed SCL as a future 787 destination.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 122, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14556 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 116):
SU currently flies SVO-CUN weekly as a scheduled service. It increases to twice weekly in October.

Thanks SCL767. I was under the impression it was charter service or something. I did not see SU's nonstops between CUN and SVO listed in a fare search engine.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14558 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 117):
I did not see SU's nonstops between CUN and SVO listed in a fare search engine.

It's showing up on http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en:
From Russia, Moscow (DME, SVO, VKO) to Mexico, Cancun (CUN)


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14460 times:
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So, 8 787-9s and 9 787-8s This is for capacity expansion, sure, but for new routes too. Any idea where does AM would like to expand?

My guess is ICN, in Asia. In Europe, AMS, BCN, FCO, FRA or MUC and LHR if they get slots. I don´t think they would go for LGW. What about a Moscow-CUN route? South America would probably see and upgauge of LIM and maybe even BOG, plus definitely GIG as a new destination. Any more guesses?

As I said before, IF PEMEX receives private capital, that will in itself generate a route for AM, in the long term maybe, but it will be there.

Regards.



MGGS
User currently offlineFF22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14401 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 116):
SU currently flies SVO-CUN weekly as a scheduled service. It increases to twice weekly in October.

Why there is no conectivity between CUN and MEX? Shouldnt AM take advantage of this flight and work out something with SU?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 119):
My guess is ICN, in Asia. In Europe, AMS, BCN, FCO, FRA or MUC and LHR if they get slots


I would go with CAN in Asia, GIG in S.A. and MXP in Europe before ICN,AMS,FCO,FRA and MUC.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14341 times:

Quoting FF22DXB (Reply 125):
Why there is no conectivity between CUN and MEX? Shouldnt AM take advantage of this flight and work out something with SU?

What do you mean? CUN-MEX has plenty of AM flights per day. It should be very easy for SU pax to fly SVO-CUN with SU and CUN-MEX with AM on a single ticket and with baggage check-thru. I am sure AM and SU will eventually codeshare.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

Aren't SU and AM skyteam members? Doesn't that mean that they can already connect passengers from MEX to Moscow? What's the difference with being members of Skyteam and codesharing?


avi8
User currently offlineFF22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 121):
What do you mean? CUN-MEX has plenty of AM flights per day. It should be very easy for SU pax to fly SVO-CUN with SU and CUN-MEX with AM on a single ticket and with baggage check-thru. I am sure AM and SU will eventually codeshare.

What i meant is that if you try to buy a ticket MEX-SVO, the option via CUN doesnt appears on the websites, not even on skyteam. I believe AM should take advantage of a Skyteam member flying to CUN, even if only twice a week.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14322 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 119):
So, 8 787-9s and 9 787-8s This is for capacity expansion, sure, but for new routes too. Any idea where does AM would like to expand?

I'd go with BCN, GRU, ICN, LHR and PEK in that order. Not sure about Germany (LH too strong at its hubs) nor Italy (no VRF or business traffic to speak of).

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 121):
I am sure AM and SU will eventually codeshare.

Interesting. I'd thought it would suffice for them to be in the same alliance which they already are.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14298 times:

Quoting FF22DXB (Reply 123):
the option via CUN doesnt appears on the websites, not even on skyteam. I believe AM should take advantage of a Skyteam member flying to CUN, even if only twice a week.

I guess they would have to address this soon. If their fellow alliance member SU is flying to CUN, it makes a lot of sense for AM to codeshare on the SVO-CUN flight and for SU to codeshare on CUN-XXX flights where XXX are AM destinations served nonstop from CUN.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14160 times:
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Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 114):
New flight schedule

Y4 940 GDL 5:00pm - 9:09pm MDW (Daily)
Y4 941 MDW 5:00pm - 9:18pm GDL (Daily)

Y4 946 MLM 11:50am - 3:40pm MDW (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday)
Y4 947 MDW 7:00 am - 10:55am MLM (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday)

Y4 948 ZCL 12:10pm - 3:40pm MDW (Monday, Saturday)
Y4 949 MDW 7:00am - 10:50am ZCL (Monday, Saturday)

Y4 943 MEX 10:50am - 2:45pm MDW (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday)
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This is an interesting schedule. Wouldn't these flights do better if the southbound leg were to be flown as a redeye? Are the redeyes to Mexico from Chicago not as popular as they are from the westcoast?

Congratulations to AM if these rumors are true. They definitely need a larger widebody fleet. It would allow AM to compete more affectively with LA, JJ where the 737s AM flies on some of these routes doesn't even come close to the product offerings of LA.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 14246 times:

Quoting FF22DXB (Reply 123):
What i meant is that if you try to buy a ticket MEX-SVO, the option via CUN doesnt appears on the websites, not even on skyteam. I believe AM should take advantage of a Skyteam member flying to CUN, even if only twice a week.

It does appear in the Skyteam timetable (I'm using the Skyteam application) as of October. It lists AM597/SU155 for MEX-SVO and SU154/AM444 for SVO-MEX.


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14146 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 118):
As I said before, IF PEMEX receives private capital, that will in itself generate a route for AM, in the long term maybe, but it will be there.

That is only a matter of time for PEMEX so you can bet that new routes will come to exist.....



Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

Interjet received 2 brand new 320s in the last couple of months. Here, both being tested at XFW:

 

Registrations: XA-VCT (ex F-WWDI) and XA-JAV (ex D-AXAW).

According to CAPA, Interjet will receive 4 320s more in the following months and 2 SSJ100, before year end. I think this is an important lift in capacity.

Interjet is in very good financial shape; the airline had a healthy 14.9% net margin last year. Net income was $98M USD in 2011:



Interjet may launch a new IPO in the forseeable future.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13701 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 129):
Interjet may launch a new IPO in the forseeable future.

Hopefully they will choose the underwriters more wisely this time.

Speaking of Interjet, are they using JFK's T4?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

Volaris has announced it will be flying LAX-Uruapan(UPN) starting October 2, 2012. The flight will operate 1X weekly on Tuesdays. The airline placed the flights for sale earlier this week on their website. UPN will become the 7th Mexican destination Y4 will operate out of LAX.

Y4 928 UPN 6:15pm- 7:50pm LAX
Y4 929 LAX 12:10pm- 5:25pm UPN


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 137, posted (2 years 17 hours ago) and read 13359 times:

Interesting. Do they already serve LAX-MLM? Morelia is about 100 km away from Uruapan.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 138, posted (2 years 17 hours ago) and read 13352 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 132):

Interesting. Do they already serve LAX-MLM? Morelia is about 100 km away from Uruapan.

Yes they do, the flight operates 6X weekly except on Tuesdays. So the LAX-UPN flight will sort of compliment LAX-MLM when it doesn't operate. Lets see how that works for them.


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 16 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

Actually, Interjet, believe it or not, will be @ Terminal 1 @ JFK.


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 140, posted (2 years 15 hours ago) and read 13320 times:

Thanks N623JB; this is useful as I will be flying to JFK and back to MEX in September, and will fly Interjet for the return. I was wondering if they would use T4. Interesting.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 121):
It should be very easy for SU pax to fly SVO-CUN with SU and CUN-MEX with AM on a single ticket and with baggage check-thru. I am sure AM and SU will eventually codeshare.

It's a good point as they're covered by the SkyTeam banner.
We've recently commented that SU is planning to launch regularly the Moscow Sheremetyevo - Cancun service as twice a week. Thus, the possibility of AM MEX-CUN on behalf of SU makes indeed a sense of logic.
Speaking about Cancun and SkyTeam, AF CDG-CUN 4x weekly will be resumed on October 28th; source: amadeus.net

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineFF22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12925 times:

Does anyone have more info on the purchase of the new presidential plane?

eluniversal.com.mx has some info on it, however it is restricted for suscribers only.


User currently offlinecessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 143, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting FF22DXB (Reply 137):
Does anyone have more info on the purchase of the new presidential plane?

I logged in to make exactly the same question... As per Lopez-Dóriga's news program yesterday, the new TP01 will be a B787, the related expense (aircraft + maintnenance and operation) quoted at US$750 million (!!!!) WTF??

Does Mr. President really need a Dreamliner? Wouldn't a Boeing Business Jet (a 737-based BBJ) do the job as well, for a lesser price tag? And what about having to land in small runways in remote locations during presidential tours? I imagine the B787 would have some size-wise operational restrictions that a BBJ wouldn't... Plus a BBJ has got the legs for long-haul, transoceanic flights...

Just an idea... Funny this topic doesn't seem to have come up here...

Marie


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 144, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

Quoting cessnalady (Reply 138):
Just an idea... Funny this topic doesn't seem to have come up here...

It is, just go to Military forum.

What nonsense - $780 for a 787? Lopez Doriga and his research people at Televisa have no idea what they are talking about.

As usual, in Mexico, a country where people prefer watching soap operas instead of reading and analyzing important matters and then go out and sell their vote for $8 USD dollars! What a pity - god save this country.

This is exactly why Mexico City has yet to start building a new airport.


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 145, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 139):
As usual, in Mexico, a country where people prefer watching soap operas instead of reading and analyzing important matters and then go out and sell their vote for $8 USD dollars! What a pity - god save this country.

Dear LatinPlane, you´ve just hit the nail real hard with such an statement...bravo!!!

I know, a bit off topic, but only a true educational revolution could save this country...not God, unfortunately !!!

Best regards



No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 146, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12543 times:

Quoting cessnalady (Reply 138):
(aircraft + maintnenance and operation) quoted at US$750 million (!!!!) WTF??

The plane will not be purchased, will be leased. The price quoted on several media outlets is the cost of the down payment, the operating lease payments and the maintenance fees over 20 or 25 years. I don't think it is nonsense or exorbitant.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12519 times:



[Edited 2012-08-01 16:01:32]


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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 148, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12500 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 141):
The plane will not be purchased, will be leased. The price quoted on several media outlets is the cost of the down payment, the operating lease payments and the maintenance fees over 20 or 25 years. I don't think it is nonsense or exorbitan


The $750 price tag is not just the price of the aircraft itself, it is the budget set aside to upgrade the entire department with advanced and complicated safety infrastructure both on the ground and in the air that will give TP-01 a security system and capability as a head of state second to that of U.S. Air Force One. This is no ordinary VIP aircraft, this is in fact a 2nd Los Pinos, with missile defense range. It is correct to take into account that this is a necessary expense that should be viewed as an investment over the course of over some 30 plus years. And no, a 737 business jet would not be sufficient for today's security and logistical needs.

For more info go to: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/145762/

[Edited 2012-08-01 18:00:55]

User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 141):
The plane will not be purchased, will be leased. The price quoted on several media outlets is the cost of the down payment, the operating lease payments and the maintenance fees over 20 or 25 years. I don't think it is nonsense or exorbitant.

Correct. I fully agree.

Here is the link to the topic in the military avation forum:

Mexico Looking For New Presidential Transport (by kapnoc4389 Jul 24 2012 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

This new aircraft will have twice the range of the ageing TP01 now in use, so the president will be able to move faster any place in the world and avoid embarrasments like the one suffered by Sarkozy some years ago. The former French president during a trip to China had to make a refueling stop in Siberia on the previous presidential plane (a biz configured 319), whilst the press flew non-stop on a widebody arriving and I guess returning before the president.

Today, TP01 has to make 2-4 stops when flying from Mexico to Europe or Asia, back and forth. That is not adequate for a head of state.

[Edited 2012-08-01 18:07:58]

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 150, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12412 times:

This past Tuesday July 31st Volaris withdrew their application to fly GDL-SMF. The route authority was requested by Y4 along with BJX-MDW on July 16. The airline didn't state a reason for the withdrawal of the application. On the other hand the DOT approved Y4's request to fly BJX-MDW.

User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 12255 times:

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 143):
The $750 price tag is not just the price of the aircraft itself, it is the budget set aside to upgrade the entire department with advanced and complicated safety infrastructure both on the ground and in the air that will give TP-01 a security system and capability as a head of state second to that of U.S. Air Force One.

Wow. Not sure the President of Mexico needs more security than any BRIC or big European country Head of State.

[Edited 2012-08-02 13:24:08]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 152, posted (1 year 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12142 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 151):
Not sure the President of Mexico needs more security than any BRIC or big European country Head of State.

Ask the last two Ministers of the Interior (Secretarios de Gobernación)... oops, you can't, they died in aviation-related "accidents".



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12048 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 147):
Ask the last two Ministers of the Interior (Secretarios de Gobernación)... oops, you can't, they died in aviation-related "accidents".

Could be. The other theory would be that they drowned in their own sea of corruption by having unqualified pilots not respecting minimum approach distances in the case of Muriño(sp?) or flying VFR when they shouldn't (the other guy, don't remember his name).

Don't get me wrong. I'm fine with the 787, but if security and safety are as paramount as the Mexican State claims it is for them, there is lower hanging fruit out there that hasn't been addressed. Instrument flying infrastructure and TRAINING comes to mind.

[Edited 2012-08-03 07:19:07]

User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 154, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 148):
Could be. The other theory would be that they drowned in their own sea of corruption by having unqualified pilots not respecting minimum approach distances in the case of Muriño(sp?) or flying VFR when they shouldn't (the other guy, don't remember his name).

Don't get me wrong. I'm fine with the 787, but if security and safety are as paramount as the Mexican State claims it is for them, there is lower hanging fruit out there that hasn't been addressed. Instrument flying infrastructure and TRAINING comes to mind.

Very well said.


User currently onlinehloutweg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11942 times:

Quoting cessnalady (Reply 138):
Does Mr. President really need a Dreamliner?

Mr. Presidents need to have adequate equipment for their role. During the year there will be doing several long range trips to other countries where they need efficient mobility. Mexico may have serious and great problems, this shouldn't be one more of them. Looking at it positively, you could see that the selected aircraft can bring great savings to the nation in aviation fuel alone.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 146):
Wow. Not sure the President of Mexico needs more security than any BRIC or big European country Head of State.

It is imperative that the life of the head of state is protected, and so that, as explained above, their transportation is efficient and adequate.



In Varietate Concordia
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 156, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11931 times:

Quoting hloutweg (Reply 150):
Looking at it positively, you could see that the selected aircraft can bring great savings to the nation in aviation fuel alone.

As I demonstrated on the military threat, Mexico makes really good use of its presidential aircraft and this is a tool that definitely earns the country a return on its investment:

Quoting myself:

" If we look at what this current 757 has helped the country achieve since 1990, when the aircraft arrived, Mexico changed drastically from being an extremely closed protectionist country to one that today has arranged free trade agreements with 44 countries. Mexico's exports to all countries increased 475% from 1994 to 2011 to the tune of $61 billion to $350 billion, and its imports during the same period increased 342%."


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 157, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

Quoting hloutweg (Reply 150):
Mexico may have serious and great problems, this shouldn't be one more of them. Looking at it positively, you could see that the selected aircraft can bring great savings to the nation in aviation fuel alone.

Yes. As I said on another thread, Mexico has an economy of more than 1.1 trillion dollars, and the federal budget is in the hundreds of billions of dollars per annum. Total debt as a percentage of GDP is one of the lowest among peer and more developed countries. This expenditure spread out over 25 or whatever years is not a big deal.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 158, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12052 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 152):
This expenditure spread out over 25 or whatever years is not a big deal.

I agree. But it made good headlines.



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 159, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11987 times:
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Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 153):
I agree. But it made good headlines.

Nothing new under the sun. If you recall, it was the same headlines back in 1987 or 1986 when they got the 757. To the point that at the place where they were doing the VIP modifications they had to cover all the aircraft markings. It made the news for several days. Same comments, same BS.



MGGS
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 160, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11632 times:
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LA will increase frequency on the SCL-MEX route up to 12x weekly during December and early January for the high season. Als