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Dog On Runway Delays Flights @ LGA  
User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

So apparently a dog got loose from its crate today and decided to go for a run on the LaGuardia runway, stopping all traffic for 10 minutes.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...ights_at_la_u1DXsRsy3Ll5SMy1tfBXaM
PICS Inside

Is does not say the airline, other than the dog was heading with its owner to Memphis. Does this happen often?

Thankfully everything turned out ok and safe


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

Best part yet: the dog didn't miss her flight  


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

Quoting plateman (Thread starter):
Is does not say the airline

Article said it was a Delta flight



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User currently offlineSWALUV From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 2):
Delta flight

Delta Connection


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Did you see the pics in the article?   

So cute! A leggy ridgeback puppy named "Byrdie."

They did the right thing and got the owner off the plane and of course the dog came right over. Poor thing was probably terrified.  


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

LGA has always been dogged by delays!

Oddly enough, when I used to have a mobile phone with predictive texting (which I hated), I would tell friends that there was fog on the runway and somehow, it managed to come out with "dog "on the runway.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

BTW, to answer the OP, this does happen from time to time. It's uncommon enough that it usually makes the news.

Obviously, all traffic must be stopped until the animal is back in custody because the animal is FOD and poses a danger not only to its own safety but to the safety of the aircraft and their passengers. If a few 15lb geese can down a US A320, imagine what a 30lb dog could do.


User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
because the animal is FOD

Lol, I don't know why that's funny, I guess I just never thought it that way.


User currently offlinepwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

I don't think losses happen on a regular basis, but they're not completely unheard of, either. The link below lists all incidents of pet loss, injury, and deaths recorded by the airlines. (As current as March 2012. There's also detailed descriptions of each incident. Looking down the list of incidents, you''ll notice numerous cases of pet loss/escape.


Pet Incidents on airlines, involving Loss/Injury/Death

http://www.petflight.com/pet-incidents/list


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Next time it happens in Africa or Indonesia or wherever, remember that it also happens in the US.

User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
If a few 15lb geese can down a US A320, imagine what a 30lb dog could do.

At least "Byrdie" can't fly!
But really, good point about the danger of wildlife to aircraft/passengers around airports. There are many documented cases of aircraft hitting wildlife on the ground during takeoff and landing, and the results could be potentially fatal. (I can think of a few deer-strike cases in the US alone...) Also, coyotes, wolves, foxes, and even bears have been known to wander onto airport property. They are usually seen by either pilots or ATC though, and airport ops can remove them from airport property (never dared to find out how, but hopefully not with force).


Anyways, back to the topic...
10 minutes of air traffic disruption doesn't seem too bad, but the story is vague in its details. But, very good for them to find the owner and escort him/her out there to retrieve the puppy. Probably the best way to do it, but I wonder how they found the owner so quickly? They must have still been parked at the gate for it to have run so smoothly. Maybe baggage handlers accidentally opened the kennel somehow while loading it? I'd like to see how they coordinated all of this to cause only 10 minutes of delays...maybe the dog was loose on an inactive runway? That said, 10 minutes of an active runway being close could back things up.

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 8):

Sad. That's quite a list. Airlines are already hardly a place to handle checked baggage, much less animals. I have felt sorry for animals many of times, seeing them on freezing cold, windy ramps with loud noises for even a human (and dogs evidently have more sensitive hearing than humans...) Their owners either don't care, are desperate, or (hopefuly most commonly) oblivious and entrusting the airlines too much (as opposed to being negligent) for the conditions. Airlines handle pets, but really aren't the best at it. It's really up to the ramp crew working the flights, but even then, a pet could easily be neglected at an airline.

This happened on a relatively mild NYC day.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 10):
Sad. That's quite a list. Airlines are already hardly a place to handle checked baggage, much less animals. I have felt sorry for animals many of times, seeing them on freezing cold, windy ramps with loud noises for even a human (and dogs evidently have more sensitive hearing than humans...) Their owners either don't care, are desperate, or (hopefuly most commonly) oblivious and entrusting the airlines too much (as opposed to being negligent) for the conditions. Airlines handle pets, but really aren't the best at it. It's really up to the ramp crew working the flights, but even then, a pet could easily be neglected at an airline.

Most animals travel fine and the airlines do try to be careful. The handlers aren't cold-hearted robots and won't throw dogs around or allow them to suffer. Airlines that offer the service have special staff on the ground to help out. That said (and I volunteer at the SPCA), in spite of everyone's best efforts, sometimes you get a loose dog. Sometimes an animal dies. I wonder how the animal death rate on airlines compares to the human death rate. It's probably not too much higher.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Poor doggy! At least he didn't attempt a run onto NTC's crazy roads and interstates. Hope all are OK.


I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Most animals travel fine and the airlines do try to be careful. The handlers aren't cold-hearted robots and won't throw dogs around or allow them to suffer. Airlines that offer the service have special staff on the ground to help out.

Yes, true. But, you being an SPCA volunteer, I'm sure, would be appalled by animal treatment at airlines, despite the airlines' best efforts at handling them properly. No, handlers don't throw dogs around. Often, handlers aren't specialized animal handlers unless you're dealing with a certain passenger/animal combination. You're often leaving your pet to the mercy of an ordinary "ramper". And 99.9% of those people will help an animal, but sometimes their jobs stipulate otherwise, so an animal might be left in windy, snowy, sub-freezing temps for a time. As an animal lover familiar with airline handling of pets, I would not ship my dog except during periods of mild weather. If your dog can't stand to be outside for at least an hour during the current weather conditions at the point of departure, connection(s) and arrival, then I wouldn't ship it. There are other factors at hand, but this is all I'll say. The vast majority of pet deaths on airlines are most likely accidents.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

For what it's worth, I met a cute huskie puppy at a doggie day care place in SLC that had an unexpectedly long layover in SLC. Somehow Delta got him to a place ~15 minutes from the airport, and paid for him to chill there. This was about two years ago. Somebody cares.

User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 14):
Delta got him to a place ~15 minutes from the airport, and paid for him to chill there. This was about two years ago. Somebody cares.

I don't doubt it. The NWA interface was aweful for pax, but they had a better pet system..."Priority Pet" for every animal being transported. It was a great service. And I don't doubt that that pet was taken great care of while it was under the supervision of DL. But airport security procedures in the US have indirectly had an outcome on the way your pets are treated.

I'm not talking anything like pet X-rays or pat-downs, not that they'd mind that. Ramp access is so restricted these days that I'm questions about how only a 10 minute delay was incurred by pax during this ordeal? Really, ramp access would prohibit a trained animal handler from entering the ramp unless identified as ramp personnel. Even then, they have fewer background and security checks than flight crew. Your rampers are paid so little to keep the struggling US airlines in service that they need fewer security checks to stay around to put up with this.


User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Luckily nobody got shot down during this dogfight...   

User currently offlinejohnmke From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 16):
Luckily nobody got shot down during this dogfight...

sadly that option of removing the dog with force from the runway is alwasy an option, and i'm sure that nobody would want to.


User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2710 times:

Quoting johnmke (Reply 17):
sadly that option of removing the dog with force from the runway is alwasy an option, and i'm sure that nobody would want to.

Actually that was a wordplay. I was referring to aerial combat with a dogfight, never mind.  
I sure hope nobody would seriously consider shooting that poor thing. At least not with anything but a stun gun.


User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2710 times:

It was the right thing to do. It's much better than opening fire at the poor dog, which actually happened earlier this year at PEK.
  
http://www.wcarn.com/cache/news/17/17383.html



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User currently offlineFLDude From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 7):
If a few 15lb geese can down a US A320, imagine what a 30lb dog could do.


Let's just hope the FAA doesn't start requiring 30 lb frozen dogs be fired at engines during testing.

[Edited 2012-04-26 16:55:13]

User currently offlineTX2FL From United States of America, joined May 2010, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Aww!

Now working years at airports, Many, MANY times I have seen ramp personnel take the dog crates into break rooms, gate houses, etc when it's either really hot or really cold out. I've seen many a manager, ramper or agent come try to verbally comfort a dog when it seemed scared or out of sorts. Honestly, many of us preferred the dogs/cats to the paying passengers.............LOL


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