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China Eastern To Purchase 777  
User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15006 times:

China Eastern Airlines (MU) is poised to purchase 20 777s from Boeing. As was reported, they cancelled their 787 order recently and China and other Countries have been in a confrontation with the EU regarding the ETS.

No word on the series they ordered or delivery date.

http://news.yahoo.com/china-buys-boe...al-sources-180701706--finance.html

[Edited 2012-04-26 11:58:23]


John@SFO
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User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14968 times:
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At long last, a real and quantifiable loss to Airbus based on an over zealous EU trying to impose their environmental will on the world!!

User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 906 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14850 times:

Quoting N471WN (Reply 1):
At long last, a real and quantifiable loss to Airbus based on an over zealous EU trying to impose their environmental will on the world!!

It says that the 15 A330s are still in limbo , not lost. It also seems implied that Boeing has been in discussions with MU for a while for the 777s so I am not so sure how much of this can be directly related back due to ETS.

Happy to see more 777s plow the sky !


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 2):

One would have to admit that if the 20 B777 frames goes through, the likelihood of them sticking with the 15 A330 frames is slim to none. It also beg to ask if they might be a 777X potential customer   


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1131 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14746 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
One would have to admit that if the 20 B777 frames goes through, the likelihood of them sticking with the 15 A330 frames is slim to none. It also beg to ask if they might be a 777X potential customer

Because no one in their right mind would have A330 and B777 in the same fleet roster?

I believe a number of airlines operate that kind of mix right now.



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User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14724 times:

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 2):
It says that the 15 A330s are still in limbo , not lost. It also seems implied that Boeing has been in discussions with MU for a while for the 777s so I am not so sure how much of this can be directly related back due to ETS.

Happy to see more 777s plow the sky !

If MU does make this order, does anyone have any idea when they might receive them? I can only imagine they are going to use them to open up more of Australia. I would love to see an MU 777 at LHR! Might we even see some other US destinations?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14700 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 4):
Because no one in their right mind would have A330 and B777 in the same fleet roster?

I don't think Chinese carriers really have a choice what they get; it's whatever is polically expedient at the moment, and at this moment it's anything-but-Airbus.



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14610 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 4):

Nice observation, but the point I'm making is that China is stalling on the A330 order and going ahead/buying the new B777's. Based on the current tension between China and the EU, compounded by the batch of new data, the likelihood of them sticking with is slim to none. I am aware operators worldwide use the two aircraft hand in hand, but this ship has changed course to Everett WA.   


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14140 times:

Last I remember, one of the reason MU canceled the 787 order was because of decrease in long-haul growth? I know the other reason was because of the delays.


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User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13800 times:

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 2):
It says that the 15 A330s are still in limbo , not lost. It also seems implied that Boeing has been in discussions with MU for a while for the 777s so I am not so sure how much of this can be directly related back due to ETS.

  

I stated this in another thread, but these orders are rarely done "overnight." Negotiations take months, if not years. I'm sure MU has been talking to Boeing about a 777 purchase for some time now.

Where China IS using these orders to it's advantage is in the media/press, and I'm sure, through some back-channels. In other words, even though these orders take a while to materialize, China can "fast-track" the 777 order through the necessary governmental hurdles, while letting the A330 order languish in red-tape for a while, which to the outside world would make it appear that they are punishing the EU. Then, once some form of agreement is reached on ETS (whatever and whenever that may be), they can "announce" the A330 order as a sign that "all's forgiven."

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 8):
Last I remember, one of the reason MU canceled the 787 order was because of decrease in long-haul growth?

You remember correctly. MU stated that domestic and regional growth was far outstripping international growth, and thus the change. This leads me to believe that many of the 777's being discussed will turn out to be 777F's (happy to be proven wrong tho



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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13043 times:
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With China Eastern getting 777-300ER (why would you get -200ER today) another airline is dumping their A340's. Great for the Shanghai to get new 777 for its hub airline.

User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12878 times:

When it comes to China Inc., always remember that they are master chess players! They play for the long term. They are always 10 steps ahead. Also, MU, like all the other Chinese carriers, is really an extension of the government, even if they are privately owned.

No surprise that Boeing is now the favorite. But next time the U.S. and China get into a spat, Boeing will be punished and Airbus will be rewarded.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3337 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

Quoting N471WN (Reply 1):
At long last, a real and quantifiable loss to Airbus based on an over zealous EU trying to impose their environmental will on the world!!

Someone has to take a leadership stance on this most important of issues and it's clearly not the US or China. What was it the President of Kiribati, Anote Tong (his nation is facing the spectre of climate-change driven extinction) said on this issue - lead, follow or get out of the way.

It's a shame the world is still not reaching consensus on this issue and politicking with planes and other perilous practices which encourage reprisal.



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User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):

Who said MU was getting the 77W? There was no mention on what series they may have ordered. As posted above, it could be for the 777F as they already operate this aircraft.



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User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11979 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 13):
Who said MU was getting the 77W? There was no mention on what series they may have ordered. As posted above, it could be for the 777F as they already operate this aircraft.

They are getting B77W and the 77F for sure, final number haven't been worked out yet. But most likely to be 15 B77W and 5 B77F


User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11624 times:

Quoting ac033 (Reply 14):

Is this just a guess or has something official been released? If so, can you provide a link please or suggest a IMO.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11238 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 4):

MU already operated the A332/A333 so I take it the B77Ws would be direct A343/A346 replacements...

Quoting ac033 (Reply 14):

How many B77F in their fleet currently...?

EK413



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User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

Good to see a new customer for the 77W (most likely). I think China Easterns colours will suit the 777!

GCPET



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 4):
Because no one in their right mind would have A330 and B777 in the same fleet roster?

I believe a number of airlines operate that kind of mix right now.

SQ, EK, AF, DL, KE & LH (if you count 777F) are a few that sprign to mind 

I'm not totally sure that this had much to do with the ETS and more to so with the requirements of the airline and that the T7 is a very good plane.


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

A little off topic but where do we see China Eastern expanding with this 777 order? Looking at their current destinations I can see a lot of potential markets opening up. I know they have tried some of these in the past but what are your thoughts on the following-

PVG-

(Europe) MAD, ZRH, IST, AMS, LED

(North America) ATL, SFO, IAD, MSP, ORD, SEA, DET, MEX, YYZ

(South America) No non-stops due to range but what about GIG, GRU, EZE

(Africa) NBO, JNB, LAN

(Oceania) BNE, AKL, CGK


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9):
This leads me to believe that many of the 777's being discussed will turn out to be 777F's (happy to be proven wrong tho

Hi Mike!

I disagree; MU don't have any freighters so I think they will get 77Ws to replace 343s and 346s and possibly for some growth in capacity. Chinese airlines tend to be very conservative with adding new destinations which the 787s would have made possible but the 77W will enable them to increase capacity to destinations where they are well entrenched i.e. LAX, CDG etc.

Looking forward to the order being firmed up and made official.

The777Man



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 20):

MU already operate the B777F.

EK413



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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 20):
I think they will get 77Ws to replace 343s and 346s

Maybe, but whereas Airbus were going to take 5 A340s in part-exchange for the 15 A330s, will Boeing do the same??

[Edited 2012-04-27 04:11:59]

User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9241 times:
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 13):
Who said MU was getting the 77W? There was no mention on what series they may have ordered. As posted above, it could be for the 777F as they already operate this aircraft.

IF not the 77W then which version ? 777LR's, they could but not the most efficient and MU doesn't need all that range for Europe or the USA. 777-200ER, doubtful. SO the only viable passenger version and the one being ordered in huge numbers is ? The 77W.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I don't think Chinese carriers really have a choice what they get; it's whatever is polically expedient at the moment, and at this moment it's anything-but-Airbus.

Exactly. If the US gets serious about addressing the undervaluation of the yuan, i'm sure the Chinese Government's favor will switch back to Airbus.

Quoting traindoc (Reply 11):

When it comes to China Inc., always remember that they are master chess players! They play for the long term. They are always 10 steps ahead. Also, MU, like all the other Chinese carriers, is really an extension of the government, even if they are privately owned.

No surprise that Boeing is now the favorite. But next time the U.S. and China get into a spat, Boeing will be punished and Airbus will be rewarded.

   Exactly.



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25 Post contains links and images EK413 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim de Groot - AirTeamImagesView Large View MediumPhoto © Peter Spence EK413
26 Newark727 : Well to be precise they're operated by China Cargo Airlines. I'm not sure how different that is, but IIRC some other companies had a stake in it as w
27 B2468 : I hope not! I love MU's 346s! Fly them twice a year r/t PVG-JFK. 777 is a fantastic plane, to be sure, but as a passenger, I have always preferred 34
28 EK413 : Funny you mentioned course when I carried a search in the database China Eastern Airlines returned 0 photos... EK413
29 Stitch : They did for SQ to get them to switch from the A340-300 to the 777-200ER (after SQ switched from the MD-11 to the A340-300).
30 The777Man : That's not MU; the 77F is operated by China Cargo Airlines (CK) who has the same livery as MU. CK is partly owned by MU but also in partnership with
31 Bthebest : What about the 773? Could Chinese airlines not benefit from some domestic 777 like Japanese carriers, given their own statement about internal and re
32 legacyins : I'm not saying it won't be the 77W. Nothing has been released yet. Their largest aircraft at this time is the A346 which holds ~ 320 in a three class
33 ac033 : Its not guessed, its from the Vancouver station manager who arranged the trip down to Everett for the talk. Nothing is going to be released until the
34 Post contains links legacyins : I rather go with a link like this to confirm. Not he said she said. http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29
35 Post contains links wrldtvlr : The latest press release confirms the order is for 20 77W. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...na-eastern-airlines-153700699.html
36 Stitch : That model is no longer on offer by Boeing. Plus I expect the 777-300ER is more efficient (just as the 777-200LR is more efficient than the 777-200ER
37 Roseflyer : Great to see another 777 order. It is selling just as well now as it did when originally offered 20 years ago which is pretty amazing to me. This orde
38 BOStonsox : MU does have the route authority for PEK-BOS. While it is probably too much plane, would they use it for this route, should they decide to start it?
39 Post contains links dfambro : Apparently yes. Boeing will be buying the A340-600s based on a Reuters report that the NY Times picked up: "The Chinese carrier also said it would se
40 ck8msp : So what does Boeing do with the A340's? Do they have a broker they offload them to for a quick firesale?
41 legacyins : They will probably do with them what they did with United's A340, lease them our or sell them. I believe The United aircraft went to Air Canada.
42 United1 : United never operated or ordered the A340.
43 madog : Confirmed in news currently just aired in HK. 20x Boeing 777-300ERs on order and selling its five A340-600's.
44 legacyins : [Edited 2012-04-29 20:54:36]
45 BMI727 : I'm pretty sure they owned a few but of course never operated them. I think they got them (maybe from Air Canada?) in compensation for something.
46 bestwestern : MU still have some A300s in operation on domestic routes and some 763s from shanghai airlines in operation on a mixture of domestic and international
47 RickNRoll : But people get to impose their CO2 on the rest of the world. Kind of like the problem of passive smoking.
48 Reggaebird : I wonder if this and other Boeing deals with Chinese airlines will be put on hold because the USA is harboring a Chinese dissident at the embassy in
49 bestwestern : The airbus:boeing order book from china will always be 50:50 - win some, lose some.
50 legacyins : This certainly throws a proverbial wrench into things. I would assume this situation will be answered quickly enough since H. Clinton will be in Beij
51 Stitch : I expect the pending F-16 sale to Taiwan will cause more of an issue if it goes through. Then again, if China is indeed trying to send a message to t
52 max999 : Are you usually in favor of politics interfering with major aircraft purchasing deals? I personally believe that businesses should buy whatever they
53 frigatebird : Swiss wants a couple of bigger planes and the A346 is the most logical choice. Maybe they already have some kind of deal.
54 Post contains links JerseyFlyer : This clarifies: Boeing will take 5 x A346 as part of the 20 x 777 deal. Airbus will take 5 x A343 as part of the 15 x 333 deal - if and when it hapens
55 Post contains images columba : The next Lufthansa/Swiss order at Boeing 5 A340-600 and 30 787 :D:D:D
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