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Irish 7/12: Up There Where The Air Is Rarified ...  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20972 times:

Good afternoon folks and welcome to our seventh thread of 2012!

It's been a fairly quiet few weeks; we're into the Summer season now and most, if not all, of the new routes for 2012 have already been announced. There are some interesting pointers to positive developments in 2013 and of course, we have some capacity changes, most significantly, the Emirates 777s which should have their first flight to Ireland from Tuesday; it's back to A330s for June, but then back to 777s in July, for what should be a long relationship between Emirates 777s and Dublin; with over 60 now on order, we should be seeing these for many years to come!

Let's hope the weather improves, because it's not been the most pleasant of starts to the Summer season!

Here's the link to 6/12: Irish 6/12: Flying Into Summer (by kaitak Apr 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

And here goes No.7; enjoy!

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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20920 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
It's been a fairly quiet few weeks

The rather stagnant nature of Irish Aviation over the past couple of years has certainly taken its toll on these threads. The threads are noticeably quieter now. Irish 7/07, in contrast, was opened on February 3rd. Back then a week would rarely go by without a new thread being opened!

In other news..



The Olympic torch made an unplanned stop at Shannon on Friday when BA2036 en route to Heathrow had to divert.




Lufthansa's Knock-Dusseldorf service commences next Saturday.



Dublin Aerospace has recently won a contract from British Airways.

"Dublin Aerospace has ambitious plans for growth ahead in two years time when the Aer Lingus Base Maintenance contract comes up for renewal it will bid for the A330s to win the A320 family business contract.

The company plans to develop it’s APU Service Centre in addition to generating repeat airline fleet business from it’s existing customers Aer Lingus, Air Via and XL Airways Germany.

The company plans to develop its relationship with the aircraft lessors with Ireland a leading centre in the business with the large concenration in the IFSC and Shannon".


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20738 times:

Great to see EK B777 earlier than we could have imagined . Fingers crossed for a lounge  

The painting and cabin refit of BD fleet is speeding ahead as quoted by AShamrock in the previous thread. Will be weird to see those Regs in BA livery   Even more so on approach to DUB but welcome all the same.


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20536 times:

It's great to see traffic stabilizing, and looking forward to some growth this summer.

what aircraft are Turkish using this summer? Any widebody substitutes this summer?

Any Lufthansa widebodies?



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20448 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
what aircraft are Turkish using this summer? Any widebody substitutes this summer?

I think TK will mostly be flying 320s or 738s; with TK, you never really know - you could get 739s, 321s and probably the odd A330 here and there.

Any Lufthansa widebodies?

None at all; LH doesn't fly widebodies on any short haul routes (unless it's a tag-on, to a L/H route, like CGK-SIN).


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

LH have scheduled Widebodies into dublin on specific dates over the summer in the past.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20352 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
the Emirates 777s which should have their first flight to Ireland from Tuesday; it's back to A330s for June, but then back to 777s in July,

All flights in June are also 777's, it's a permanent change from tomorrow.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20343 times:
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Quoting EI320 (Reply 1):
The rather stagnant nature of Irish Aviation over the past couple of years has certainly taken its toll on these threads. The threads are noticeably quieter now. Irish 7/07, in contrast, was opened on February 3rd. Back then a week would rarely go by without a new thread being opened!

I was just thinking the same thing! It is true that Irish aviation has been stagnent over the past couple of years but its not all bad! Much of our discussions from that period were in relation to industrial action at Aer Lingus which thank God seem to have improved somewhat in recent years. Taking the glass half full view, if there isn't much to talk about here indicates that at least means there isn't much bad news to report.



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User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20298 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 7):
Much of our discussions from that period were in relation to industrial action at Aer Lingus which thank God seem to have improved somewhat in recent years.

Yes, indeed an improvement.
That and the Shannon saga were very big thread fillers. Now the Gold Circle must be up there as regular feature of complaint, cant ever recall a positive post on GC.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20224 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 8):
Now the Gold Circle must be up there as regular feature of complaint, cant ever recall a positive post on GC.

They just dont offer an attractive deal anymore. Most of us Irish based frequent flyers jumped ship to Alliance members years ago . Those that are in GC these days are either just going point to point on EI to EU and USA or are getting membership as part of a corporate deal. I was for many years GC and it was a decent enough program back in the OW days but then it all went budget and they didnt care about GC or their members. Now that we have jumped ship we have seen what a real program can offer and the benefits attatched to that. I dont think I would ever go back to GC even if they gave me a status match. The only way I can see me going back is if they join either Star or OW then it might be handy to have a home based program but thats never going to happen IMHO. The benefits are very limited and you can buy lounge access anyway so whats left other than earning miles and the odd upgrade for USA ?

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Some news snippets. :

NI support urged for tourism plan

A plan to attract Irish descendants from around the world as part of a major tourism push for 2013 should be supported by Stormont, the SDLP has said.

The Republic's tourism minister Leo Varadkar hopes to attract 300,000 extra visitors, raising 200 million euro (£162 million) for the economy, through the initiative dubbed The Gathering.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...rged-for-tourism-plan-3095303.html

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Fexco to provide Aer Lingus with call centre services

Kerry-based payments and outsourcing group Fexco has won a contract from Aer Lingus to provide it with call centre services in a move that will create 25 jobs at its contact centre in Cahirciveen.

The contract was won following a tendering process and will run until January 2015. It was previously held by US-based Stream Global Services.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0424/1224315103336.html


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20050 times:

Back in as I'm sitting in T2 after dropping some clients off and awaiting other ones arriving on AF fom CDG which is an hour late..

I must give some personal positive feed on GC, as despite their constant IT failings and the fact that virtually all my inbound flights to DUB never seem to ha e their points created, I have observed the following minor improvements in past year:

- when I email them about any problems I have, I now find them to very quick replying, and that their responses are always friendly and aimed at SOLVING the problem to suit me.
- they now have the dedicated GC check in desks at T2 which are a breeze.
- I've noticed that such as a desk as appeared in many EU airports now and there always seems to be a desk inviting GC members.
- on presentation of the GC card we can use fast track lane at T2 security now.
- I've also noticed that during boarding announcements when they indicate what rows are to board, they now nearly always throw in "GC members may board when they wish at their leisure"
- and personally, I'm very fond of the new T2 GC lounge.

I believe these improvements are good for the market EI works in. My main objection is the points system and I feel it's should be awardedm at all fare class levels in an incremental fashion, as in a few points for the cheap fare, cause hey, we're still being LOYAL when booking a low fare, and points should increase based on fare.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19923 times:

Does anyone know if EI have FastPass terminals in Gatwick again yet? When they (and Transat) were moved to the main checkin area, the FastPass terminals vanished in the move.

Rarely had to use them as generally I was doing a


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19914 times:

Main runway, 10/28, at DUB to be closed from tonight for 4 consecutive nights, from 11pm-5am; 16/34 will be in use during this time; closure is due to need for electrical works to be carried out.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/d...-close-for-four-nights-549652.html


User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19898 times:

Aer Lingus board to discuss transfer of maintenance operations from Shannon to Dublin


The move could affect up to 70 employees in the maintenance division in Shannon.

Informed sources said that the maintenance facility that would remain at Shannon would be "tiny", but that the move would consolidate engineering operations in Dublin.

As yet it is unclear what would happen to Shannon staff and how many would be offered redeployment to Dublin.

The item on the agenda circulated to directors refers to the "transfer of maintenance activity to Dublin".

One key issue is what would happen to the Aer Lingus maintenance hangar at Shannon, which is leased from the Dublin Airport Authority.

One source speculated that Aer Lingus might hope to transfer its hangar in Shannon to incoming Russian aviation maintenance company Transaero.

However, it is understood that that would require the approval of the DAA.

A spokesperson for the DAA said it never comments on speculation about any of its customers.

Transaero is Russia's second biggest airline and has just taken over Aer Atlanta Aero Engineering's operation at Shannon, which employs over 240 people.

A spokesperson for Transaero said that while it has plans to expand, it is very early days and its immediate priority is to keep its existing operation full.

In addition, Transaero maintenance operations focus on Boeing planes, while Aer Lingus flies Airbus aircraft


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0430/aer...us-shannon-dublin-maintenance.html


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19880 times:

Quoting ein105 (Reply 13):
One key issue is what would happen to the Aer Lingus maintenance hangar at Shannon, which is leased from the Dublin Airport Authority.

Interesting, I highlighted this and then read on to see Transaero are amongst the parties listed as potential take over parties. From an EI perspective it makes sense to concentrate all maintenance on their new(ly re- acquired) facility in Hangar 6, the SNN operation is now superflous, I would think. How many hangars are down at SNN and what is occupancy like? Given the large number of Aircraft Lessors based at SNN and in the region I would have thought a good market would exist for third party maintenance, of couse a lessor being based in location X does not imply that any work would be done there, but all the same...

Brian.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19832 times:

Aer Lingus has one hangar at SNN and you'd commonly see an A330 parked in or just outside it.

Then there's other hangars belonging to Eirtech (painting and interior refurbs), Air Atlanta/Transaero, Shannon Aerospace, Signature Flight Services and Westair Aviation. I'm unsure of occupancy.

Did I leave any out?



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineIRISH251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19812 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 5):
LH have scheduled Widebodies into dublin on specific dates over the summer in the past.

That was when they had A300s and A310s. The much-expanded A321 fleet has in effect replaced these types.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 1):
Dublin Aerospace has recently won a contract from British Airways.

Nice - is that your own photo?


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19798 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 14):
From an EI perspective it makes sense to concentrate all maintenance on their new(ly re- acquired) facility in Hangar 6, the SNN operation is now superflous, I would think.

The reduction in A330 ops ex SNN has meant that A330's often have to be ferried to/from SNN for A checks which of course is a rather costly exercise in itself. Hangar 6, of course, is another contributing factor to this development.

It's a very unfortunate situation but it's been on the minds of the Shannon staff for quite some time.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19742 times:
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Quoting EI320 (Reply 17):
It's a very unfortunate situation but it's been on the minds of the Shannon staff for quite some time.

I'm surprised that EI had not moved to do this before now, especially since they stopped operating year round transatlantic services. As for the staff, well it is always unfortunate to see people loosing their jobs but at least those staff may have the option of reapplying to work for Transaero once they get settled in.

As for the occupancy levels at the SNN hangars, just from what I've heard and observed from my visits there. Air Atlanta always seems to have several aircraft both in the hangar and parked on the apron just in front of it so presumably, their occupancy level is pretty good and that's what made them an atttactive buy for Transaero. There was an article in local media a while back that mentioned Shannon Aerospace were on a reduced working week so one can deduce their occupancy level is not great. I have no idea of whether or not things have improved lately but there always seems to be at least one aircraft parked beside the hangar at any time so presumeably they must be getting some business. As for the other hangars, I have no idea of their occupancy levels.



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User currently offlineIRISH251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19692 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 18):
As for the occupancy levels at the SNN hangars, just from what I've heard and observed from my visits there. Air Atlanta always seems to have several aircraft both in the hangar and parked on the apron just in front of it so presumably, their occupancy level is pretty good and that's what made them an atttactive buy for Transaero. There was an article in local media a while back that mentioned Shannon Aerospace were on a reduced working week so one can deduce their occupancy level is not great. I have no idea of whether or not things have improved lately but there always seems to be at least one aircraft parked beside the hangar at any time so presumeably they must be getting some business. As for the other hangars, I have no idea of their occupancy levels.

Aircraft stored around the airport are also under the care of the different maintenance companies.


User currently offlinef1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19498 times:

From the discussions on the previous thread about Gold Circle, I read this interesting article which fits nicely into the discussion. I too work for a very customer focussed company, and it is defiantly bringing customers back to our company! We are cost cutting, but its in areas that would not be evident to the customers... As everyone has mentioned, its very hard to earn Gold Circle points. I use a Credit Card a lot, and i would certainly avail of one if it was available here. Also some of my mates in the UK do surveys, and they get FFP just for completing the survey. I suppose that's how the airlines make money out of it... Anyway here is the article...

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strat.../26870-crm-becomes-more-of-a-conce

Also I had Vincent Brown on in the background there. He reads the papers headlines for the next day. Apparently EY has bought some shares in EY, and EI have said they have being talking with EY about codesharing etc...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...tpage/2012/0501/1224315408744.html



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19359 times:

Looks confirmed.
http://www.independent.ie/business/i...7-stake-in-aer-lingus-3096254.html

I wonder what EY is really interested in EI for and what the long term plan is?

On the radio this morning, they mentioned EY eventually taking the full Government stake in the company.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19333 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 21):
I wonder what EY is really interested in EI for and what the long term plan is?

My thought is that becuase EI is an EU carrier it has unlimited access to all EU points, to the US (actually any point they wish, with pre clearence, I suppose) and into Canada as well. EY has to share rights with EK and many countries are slow to open up their bi-laterals with the UAE, Canada is notoriously refusing to open assess to Toronto. Not sure what the US rights are like. EI could also be useful for getting into smaller UK cities that EIR serves. AB in Germany serves that purpose for EY.

Quoting f1eddie (Reply 20):
I too work for a very customer focussed company, and it is defiantly bringing customers back to our company! We are cost cutting, but its in areas that would not be evident to the customers... As everyone has mentioned, its very hard to earn Gold Circle points. I use a Credit Card a lot, and i would certainly avail of one if it was available here. Also some of my mates in the UK do surveys, and they get FFP just for completing the survey. I suppose that's how the airlines make money out of it...

I think the main thing is the spending opportunities. EI's are limited, at present. To me FFP's, customer interaction and rewards just does not seem like a high priority for EI. Their only significant partnership is with Bank of Ireland with the Business Gold Visa (GC lounge access only) and Appleby Jewellers, frankly woeful.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19292 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 21):
I wonder what EY is really interested in EI for and what the long term plan is?

As I mentioned late on the last thread: James Hogan openly confirmed the intent towards an acquisition of a large shareholding in Aer Lingus on a Bloomberg interview late last week.

My own, merely personal, opinion is that if a considerable acquisition or other form of arrangement is successful - we could quite likely see the redeployment of some Aer Lingus A330s from routes that are currently marginal to alternative routes under this initiative.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19225 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 23):
we could quite likely see the redeployment of some Aer Lingus A330s from routes that are currently marginal to alternative routes under this initiative.

I think I know the routes you speak of, shall we say those routes that are less than daily, with weak front cabin demand and notoriously seasonal could be on the block? That said I think MAD-IAD may be one of those, it depends how long the agreement with UA continues, it's bookable byond 27th OCT.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19267 times:

This is a very momentous moment for Aer Lingus, and could be the start of a new era for the company. EI and AB share a similar business model in some respects, so lots of synergies between the companies.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19248 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 25):
This is a very momentous moment for Aer Lingus, and could be the start of a new era for the company. EI and AB share a similar business model in some respects, so lots of synergies between the companies.

I agree this is the best thing that could happen to EI . Time will tell.


User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 19349 times:

I notice in the Metro Herald, the EI ad today, it has a team Ireland logo! With a nice shamrock! Love it!

Kevin


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19299 times:

EK are at it again  http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/rte-1.jpg

User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19282 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 22):
Canada is notoriously refusing to open assess to Toronto.

interesting that a government would be involved in a such a personal decision...

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 21):
I wonder what EY is really interested in EI for and what the long term plan is?

No doubt that EY has some larger plan here than just investing in EI and remaining a silent partner. Obviously, one can look to AB to get an idea of what might be ahead. I do think that people in EI should expect some changes (not all positive from their perspective) if EY does purchase the gov't stake. I agree that EY will probably look to re-deploy some EI assets while sharing others in an effort to maximize their investment.

Regardless, an interesting time for the airline.



It is what it is.
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19209 times:

Quoting Reply 29):

Took me a while to get the joke there...the penny has dropped!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19114 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 30):

Glad I wasnt the only one who chuckled  


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19067 times:
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Quoting bestwestern (Reply 25):
This is a very momentous moment for Aer Lingus, and could be the start of a new era for the company. EI and AB share a similar business model in some respects, so lots of synergies between the companies.
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 22):
My thought is that becuase EI is an EU carrier it has unlimited access to all EU points, to the US ........ and into Canada as well.........AB in Germany serves that purpose for EY.

This to me looks like good postioning by EY. The have 2 partners in Europe who feed into their own metal which carries pax onto the wider EY network. Definitely gives them more access than direct flight can.


A few posters have used the term "intersting times"...my thought would be 'wasn't that a Chinese curse?' This may seem like a very good move for EI but longterm it could signal huge changes in the EI that we discuss on this forum. EI have made massive cost savings and streamlining over the last 2 years, they are now a leaner more profitable company than we have seen for years (forever perhaps?) but as the lesser partner in such a deal they will be beholden to the larger partner. AB were given E200M+ in aid, I doubt EI would require this injection but we could see an overall investment in hard product with such a partnership. AB/EY/EI all like to buy Airbus!


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19044 times:

Returned from DUB a little while ago.

At 12:48, the new EK visitor pushed back from T2. The push back crew certainly seemed to be taking great care with the push!

I was parked up at the 28 end, and generally, aircraft are well airborne from 10 by that point: the 773 however had just rotated, using about 3/4 of the available tarmac...an impressive first departure.

You had to feel some pity for Etihad as their "light twin" rolled in on the afternoon arrival from AUH!



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18970 times:

Good to see EK flying 77Ws to DUB, although pity that the weather was pretty lousy for the first arrival. Today's flight incidentally, was operated by A6-EBC.

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FR couldn't resist the temptation to throw its tuppence into the ring:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201205011122214705C

Reading between the lines, I think the translation is "For the love of God, someone - ANYONE - buy our shareholding in Aer Lingus, PLEASE!"

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Just one question I have: where does the shareholding acquired by EY come from? Was it from the govt's shareholding, or from private shareholders?

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The game is becoming very interesting; there was a rumour some time ago that EI was looking to operate a YYZ service from next Summer and to my mind, this deal only strengthens that possibility, the Canadian ban on further rights to UAE carriers being part of that. We might even see EI fly further afield in Canada, starting with YUL.

I don't see EI flying to AUH; when you have one airline based on DUB and another in AUH, operating a joint schedule on the same route, the scheduling is liable to get very messy indeed.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18903 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
The game is becoming very interesting.......................the Canadian ban on further rights to UAE carriers being part of that..................I don't see EI flying to AUH..................

I think you have the same idea as myself. EY can use EI (and AB) to access markets/routes that they cannot or will not access using their own aircraft.

In relation to the FR statement: "If this is sold to Etihad or to a financial investor, then it is inevitable that Aer Lingus will be broken up and some or all of its Heathrow slots lost to Ireland."
Now they want to protect the LHR slots for Ireland, but surely Mick LHR is a High Fares airport that is not deserving of the services of FR (The Worlds favourite airline*) and indeed with the world beating routes network offered by FR from Ireland, the Irish people do not even need to travel to such a Third rate airport disguised as a shopping centre!!!


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18860 times:

Timmy Dooley (TD) was first out of the traps to condemn EI over the maintenance transfer proposal. His four minutes of wisdom can be heard here:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0501/eti...r-3-stake-in-aer-lingus.html#audio

Timmy believes that the plan to centralise maintenance operations is a great idea - except this ought to be in Shannon, rather than Dublin.

"If it's good enough for the Russians, then it's good enough for Aer Lingus". Quote of the week.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18843 times:

Quoting EI320 (Reply 36):
Timmy Dooley (TD) was first out of the traps to condemn EI over the maintenance transfer proposal. His four minutes of wisdom can be heard here:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0501/eti...r-3-stake-in-aer-lingus.html#audio

Timmy believes that the plan to centralise maintenance operations is a great idea - except this ought to be in Shannon, rather than Dublin.

"If it's good enough for the Russians, then it's good enough for Aer Lingus". Quote of the week.

Ah, good old Timmy ... I was in UCD at the same time as him; he was Secretary of the Kevin Barry Cumann (the UCD branch of Ogra FF); we had some interesting discussions about the Shannon stopover!


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18788 times:
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Quoting EI320 (Reply 36):
"If it's good enough for the Russians, then it's good enough for Aer Lingus". Quote of the week.

Fair play to him! Seriously though, if Transaero are serious about expanding the former Air Atlanta operations at SNN, then no doubt they'll be taking over the hanger currently occupied by Aer Lingus in the not too distant future. I was actually amazed when this first came up that EI had any significant maintainance operations left at SNN. I'd presumed this had been moved to DUB a long time ago and that EI only kept the bare skeleton maintainance staff at SNN just in case an aircraft went tech.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18790 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 22):
Bank of Ireland with the Business Gold Visa (GC lounge access only)

Mine runs out in June and there won't be another one. I will mourn the loss of my free lounge access. That said, I've had it since 2008, so I've had a good run!

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 35):
In relation to the FR statement: "If this is sold to Etihad or to a financial investor, then it is inevitable that Aer Lingus will be broken up and some or all of its Heathrow slots lost to Ireland."
Now they want to protect the LHR slots for Ireland,

Not necessarily, the Government could make it a stipulation of the sale that the LHR slots remain tied to Aer Lingus and must be used for the DUB-LHR route.

I don't see why that would happen though - EI is the only carrier on DUB-LHR (once BMI is gone and if BA don't keep flying it) which means they make a lot of money on it.

It really is a shame that Aer Lingus wasn't sold to Ryanair. It will be a bit sad if controlling interest in the airline goes outside of Ireland. That said, what is the bilaterial situation? If Aer Lingus becomes majority foreign owned, does that not mean it is no longer an Irish carrier and that would have an effect on the bilaterial route agreements? I know that's the whole reason Qantas has to remain 51% Australian owned...

Still, Etihad only has 30% or so of Air Berlin so maybe it won't be a full majority. They might just take a small stake.



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User currently offlineEIBUsiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18769 times:

Quoting EI320 (Reply 36):
"If it's good enough for the Russians, then it's good enough for Aer Lingus". Quote of the week.

He want's to ensure that the ''voice of reason'' is heard in the Aer Lingus boardroom. It's obvious that he's well informed when a general term such as fiduciary duties of directors is mentioned less than two minutes into the interview...

Really and truly - it's quite sad that there is this continued, incessant, ingrained belief clearly amongst a sizeable number of people that State driven free handouts that were so common in the past to non performing - 'disadvantaged' regions should continue.

It's quite simple and SNN along with its political representatives needs to accept this: Aer Lingus is no longer a state run company, it is no longer obliged to incur losses merely for the sake of keeping a relatively small region of the country satisfied - the State has no right to intervene in the company and force its hand in this regard.

You know what frightens me most? That this is what we have for ''political opposition'' in a country that's debt ridden to toxic levels. If it weren't so serious it would be laughable.

Apparently the cost of flying aircraft between ''DUB'' and ''SNN'' is minimal. By that same token, surely then there is no need for any incremental TD expenses or allowances for travelling to/from Clare? After all, the distance between Dublin and there is - ''only minimal''.

EIBusiness



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18752 times:
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Quoting EIBUsiness (Reply 40):
Apparently the cost of flying aircraft between ''DUB'' and ''SNN'' is minimal. By that same token, surely then there is no need for any incremental TD expenses or allowances for travelling to/from Clare? After all, the distance between Dublin and there is - ''only minimal''.

oh that might hurt a few politicians.........where's Ivor when you need him?

Quoting EI320 (Reply 36):
"If it's good enough for the Russians, then it's good enough for Aer Lingus"

I think we may see this golden nugget of thought rolled out many times in the future.
Wonderful soundbite!!


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18660 times:
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Quoting EIBUsiness (Reply 40):
Apparently the cost of flying aircraft between ''DUB'' and ''SNN'' is minimal. By that same token, surely then there is no need for any incremental TD expenses or allowances for travelling to/from Clare? After all, the distance between Dublin and there is - ''only minimal''.

I think our former Tainiste, Mr. Dick Spring would be a great man to ask about the cost of flying jets across the country after all those trips he took on the government jet flying from DUB to the airport he built in his own constituency to accomodate such a personal convenience!  
Quoting EIBUsiness (Reply 40):
Really and truly - it's quite sad that there is this continued, incessant, ingrained belief clearly amongst a sizeable number of people that State driven free handouts that were so common in the past to non performing - 'disadvantaged' regions should continue.

Not intending to spark another massive row here and I'm not making this point about the mid west (which I will be the first to admit nowadays has excellent infrastructure in terms of road, rail, sea and air access and does not need state subsidies) but state subsidies to the so called "disadvantaged" parts of the country pales in comparison to the value of the massive tax incentives that were handed out willie-nilly to the property sector (much of it in what one would consider to be the more privilaged parts of the country) which played no small part growing the bubble that has resulted in the debt mountain that we're now left with.

[Edited 2012-05-01 12:51:58]

[Edited 2012-05-01 12:52:42]


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7451 posts, RR: 3
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18486 times:

Perhaps Transaero will be interested in recruiting a few engineers.

User currently offlineTravelGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18360 times:

Quoting EIBUsiness (Reply 40):
It's quite simple and SNN along with its political representatives needs to accept this: Aer Lingus is no longer a state run company, it is no longer obliged to incur losses merely for the sake of keeping a relatively small region of the country satisfied - the State has no right to intervene in the company and force its hand in this regard.

The problem is that the Gov't still owns 25% of the company. While not "state-owned", the airline is still partially owned by the taxpayer and some people will still presume that gov't's remaining shareholding can be used by "the people" to persuade the company's mgmt one way or the other in a particular commercial decision.

A partial government shareholding in a private company invariably only works when that partial shareholding is built up from a starting point of zero, rather than reduced down from 100%. That way there are no preconceived notions or precedents to confuse the marketplace about what the govt' will and won't do.

The State is better off to eliminate the appearance of *possible* undue influence and divest itself. It's a no-win situation for the government. Not enough ownership to actually control the company, and enough ownership to still make some people believe that they do.

The government is a unique actor in any society or marketplace, and as such can't expect to receive the same treatment from the general public that other investors (such as pension funds or private investors) receive.

I agree with your statement, but it has to recognized that the government's continued presence on the roll of shareholders coupled with its history of making politically motivated decisions regarding that company only invites such reactions from sections of the public. It's neither fair nor financially logical, but it's reality.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
Just one question I have: where does the shareholding acquired by EY come from? Was it from the govt's shareholding, or from private shareholders?

Without researching it I'd imagine the shares were purchased from the publicly traded share volume over a course of time. I imagine they were required to publicly announce their share ownership due to recently surpassing a specific percentage ownership threshold?

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 32):
A few posters have used the term "intersting times"...my thought would be 'wasn't that a Chinese curse?' This may seem like a very good move for EI but longterm it could signal huge changes in the EI that we discuss on this forum. EI have made massive cost savings and streamlining over the last 2 years, they are now a leaner more profitable company than we have seen for years (forever perhaps?) but as the lesser partner in such a deal they will be beholden to the larger partner. AB were given E200M+ in aid, I doubt EI would require this injection but we could see an overall investment in hard product with such a partnership. AB/EY/EI all like to buy Airbus!

Indeed. This portends a major turning point for EI if EY does in fact come to purchase the gov't's shareholding. While successful in getting to their current position, the long term outlook for Aer Lingus will be cloudy at best forging ahead as an independent, unaligned airline with a modest route network and a relatively small home market, a home market which is still enduring the sharpest recessionary period in nearly 8 decades which will linger for several years more.

This could be the play that the airline mgmt sees as the best bet to take the airline's compete level up a notch. It's a way to circumvent some of the present shortcomings, hopefully grow the airline through cooperative efforts with EY, and just plain try something new.

At the very least this should continue to stimulate the recent upward movement in EI share price, which, considering its historical downward track since flotation, is a good thing.

[Edited 2012-05-01 16:27:33]

User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18228 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 39):
the Government could make it a stipulation of the sale that the LHR slots remain tied to Aer Lingus and must be used for the DUB-LHR route.

They cant do that legally, the government do not own the slots.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18189 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 45):
Indeed. This portends a major turning point for EI if EY does in fact come to purchase the gov't's shareholding.
Quoting dstc47 (Reply 45):
This could be the play that the airline mgmt sees as the best bet to take the airline's compete level up a notch. It's a way to circumvent some of the present shortcomings, hopefully grow the airline through cooperative efforts with EY, and just plain try something new.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it a 25% stake is not enough for the government to influence the management of the company, then how's it going to be enough for EY to influence the management of the company? Won't EY have to acquire at least 51% of the company in order to do this which will unboubtadly have to involve coaxing Ryanair to part with at least some it its holding?

I'd prefer to see EY take over EI as opposed to the like of BA or KL/AF who would probably just turn EI into a feeder airline for their own operations. EY are undoubtadly looking at EI and DUB as a part of a plan to develope services to North and South America which could potentially open up all sorts of wonderful new route operations.



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18134 times:

One thing about the EY deal strikes me. They, along with EK have a reputation for preferring to open non stop routes. While I understand that some countries such as Canada have issues with restricting flights to UAE, surely there sort me restrictions will be fairly limited compared to the routes EY would like to fly. With this in mind I can see EI being used as a short haul feeder, just my opinion


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User currently offlineirishbean From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18138 times:

On the new Emirates 777 coming into Dublin, what seats have they now in Buisness and First? Fully flat in J? Suites in F, as I think on the a330 they had on this route, even F was lie flat?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18105 times:

Aer Lingus 'will be broken up if Etihad buys government stake'

RYANAIR boss Michael O'Leary said yesterday that Aer Lingus will be "broken up" if Etihad or a financial investor buys the Government's 25.1pc stake in the former state-owned airline.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...buys-government-stake-3096840.html

( Nice pic along with the article though )


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18056 times:

Quoting The Moscow Times:
Transaero is now considering routing its U.S.-bound flights from Russia through the Shannon airport, where passengers could clear U.S. customs and avoid potentially avoid long lines upon arrival in the United States

Full article: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...nonstop-to-los-angeles/457826.html

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Delta Flight Diverts to Shannon

A US-bound passenger jet was forced to turn around over the North Atlantic and divert to Shannon Airport after a 'smokey odour' was detected on board.

Delta Airlines flight DL-19 was travelling from London's Heathrow airport to Detroit in Michigan at the time of the incident.

The Boeing 767-300 departed London at 9.05am yesterday (Tuesday) and was over two hours into it's eight-hour journey when the crew contacted air traffic controllers and requested permission to turn around and divert to Shannon.
http://www.clareherald.com/news/52-l...lta-flight-diverts-to-shannon.html

On a related note, DL has resumed its seasonal daily flights between SNN and JFK today.



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18037 times:
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Quoting TravelGuy (Reply 44):
It's a no-win situation for the government. Not enough ownership to actually control the company, and enough ownership to still make some people believe that they do.

Good succint analysis of the govt's position.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 45):
They cant do that legally, the government do not own the slots.

But couldn't some stipulation be included in any deal that sells off the govt 25%. Perhaps the govt allows the pension deficit to be seperated from the airline while a certain number of LHR slots are ring-fenced as dedicated to Ireland-LHR usage? We don't know what deal EY (or anyone else) would accept to buy out the Irish govt.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 46):
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it a 25% stake is not enough for the government to influence the management of the company, then how's it going to be enough for EY to influence the management of the company? Won't EY have to acquire at least 51% of the company in order to do this which will unboubtadly have to involve coaxing Ryanair to part with at least some it its holding?

I Govt have not insisted on having a presence on the EI board. I am sure that EY have done so with AB, and would do so with EI is things fo that far. FR I believe demanded board presence but EI were able to prevent this by using the confidential information being given to a competitor argument.
51% allows CONTROL but INFLUENCE is dependant on the standing of the share holder rather than the actual share %. To use the AB example, the AB board would do well to heed the EY rep on the board as EY gifted AB a cash injection of >E200M.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18046 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 51):
But couldn't some stipulation be included in any deal that sells off the govt 25%. Perhaps the govt allows the pension deficit to be seperated from the airline while a certain number of LHR slots are ring-fenced as dedicated to Ireland-LHR usage? We don't know what deal EY (or anyone else) would accept to buy out the Irish govt.

Are LHR slots really that important to the country these days? You can get anywhere you want to go through AMS,FRA,CDG and now DXB.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17997 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 52):
Are LHR slots really that important to the country these days? You can get anywhere you want to go through AMS,FRA,CDG and now DXB.

They may not be as important to Dublin, but to Cork and Shannon they are. ORK only has AMS and LHR for onward connectivity and SNN only has LHR.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17942 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 52):
Are LHR slots really that important to the country these days?

I believe they are . There will always be the need to protect these slots. The LHR link is more important than Irish Domestic links IMHO. London will always be the most important link to the Republic of Ireland.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17914 times:
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Quoting clydenairways (Reply 52):
51% allows CONTROL but INFLUENCE is dependant on the standing of the share holder rather than the actual share %. To use the AB example, the AB board would do well to heed the EY rep on the board as EY gifted AB a cash injection of >E200M.

I see your point but the fact is that EI are at least modestly profitable and still have a decent cash reserve. AB on the other hand were up to their eyes in it and would most likely have gone under if EY hadn't injected cash. Surely EY would require a larger shareholding in EI than 25% if they are to gain the influence they require. Given the current shareholder makeup at EI, I would see it very hard for EY to gain any sort of a significant influence in EI without convincing FR or the ESOT to relinquish some of their shareholding or at very lest, organise a voting pact with one or the other of those shareholders.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17833 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 53):
They may not be as important to Dublin, but to Cork and Shannon they are. ORK only has AMS and LHR for onward connectivity and SNN only has LHR.

Yes but there will be flights to these hubs from ORK and SNN in the event of a reduction in LHR connections. A big factor why they failed before was that people from SNN drove to DUB to fly to LHR rather than take the direct CDG connection from SNN.
With a reduction also in flights also from Dublin to LHR, this won't be an alternative option like it was before.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 54):
I believe they are . There will always be the need to protect these slots. The LHR link is more important than Irish Domestic links IMHO. London will always be the most important link to the Republic of Ireland.

I understand that London will always be the number one link from Ireland. But we have to separate connecting traffic versus origin traffic to asess the need. And i'm not saying that all the slots should be sold. There are lots of other London airports that can serve a bigger chunk the point to point market.

I'm not saying a total drop of LHR services, but i am saying we can lower our dependency on LHR with marginal impact if we really need to.

My view is that LHR is more of a mindset problem than a genuine access issue.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17836 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 55):

Tony, the points you made are good, but just a point of clarification the ESOT has been more or less wound up. The shares held by the ESOT were distributed amongst the staff in December 2010. It will be interesting to see what the plans of EY are for EI.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17616 times:
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Quoting bx737 (Reply 57):
Tony, the points you made are good, but just a point of clarification the ESOT has been more or less wound up. The shares held by the ESOT were distributed amongst the staff in December 2010. It will be interesting to see what the plans of EY are for EI.

I see. It was just that I remember that ESOT's holding combined with the government's holding hampered FR's original takeover bid because by the time FR had accumulated 20% or so of EI, they had pretty much bought up all the stock that was available so they couldn't realistically take a majority holding in the company without ESOT or the government selling out to them. From memory, ESOT originally controlled about 10% of the airline which combined with FR's 25% odd stake and the government's 25% stake meant there was even less stock for a fourth party like EY to buy. I guess that with the 10% or so that used to be controlled by ESOT now more freely available and if it they had the 25% government stake in hand, EY could easily accumulate a 40 to 50% share of EI which should be more than enough to excercise influence over the company.



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User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17485 times:

Quoting irishbean (Reply 48):
what seats have they now in Buisness and First? Fully flat in J? Suites in F, as I think on the a330 they had on this route, even F was lie flat?

F on the 332 was fully flat, however 6 abreast. 77W now has private suites (4 abreast) in F and angled flat seats in J (7 abreast) with next generation seats in Y. All in all, compared to the 332, it's a much superior product, which now better matches the impressive brand image EK has created here.

Quoting bx737 (Reply 57):
It will be interesting to see what the plans of EY are for EI.

Indeed it will be interesting to see what plans unfold, as I can't see huge potential in an EI/EY alliance. EI feeding EY flights will not provide major gains as it almost always involves back-tracking for the pax and although EI are thankfully profitable on the transatlantic front, they are by no means a big player in this market. As it stands, increased access to BOS is perhaps the biggest gain EY will get from EI, however they already connect there via JFK/ORD and AA. There is of course, potential for EI to expand to new destinations i.e. YYZ/YUL, return to SFO/LAX, however with fuel prices as they are, EI would be rightly cautious before rushing into new markets because of EY. I just don't see what EY will gain that they don't already have with AA. On the idea of EI starting to AUH, again it would be a potentially risky move with the huge competition EK brings to the situation. (Just my first    to add to a.net!)


User currently offlineoneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17394 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 59):

Dont fall for the PR. Middle seat of 3 on a last minute full J ticket is not value for money. Indeed, I've experienced better on BA WTP than on EK J.

Having to step OVER anyone in a non window seat for that price is an appalling product.



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User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17350 times:

Agreed oneworld77, but even the middle EK J seat on 77W is still a step up from the 332!

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17250 times:
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So it looks like the only remaining 'bloc' of EI shares are the Govt 25%, the Denis O'Brien 3%, the pilots 3% and the the FR 29%. So EY can could perhaps buy the Govt share and some of the FR shares to get to >40% while still remaining under EU 'ownership'. (They may not need to get 49%)

Quoting EI912 (Reply 59):
EI912 From , joined Dec 1969,

Thats a bit odd!!


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 62):

Quoting EI912 (Reply 59):
EI912 From , joined Dec 1969,

Thats a bit odd!!

Seems to be what shows when a member is very new, noticed it on my own first post but I've got the real date now.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16984 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 61):
Agreed oneworld77, but even the middle EK J seat on 77W is still a step up from the 332!

Id certainly take the 77W over a 332 even in a middle seat in J .


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16816 times:

Aer Lingus narrows first quarter operating loss

Quote:
Aer Lingus has recorded an operating loss of %u20AC36.1m for the first three months of the year and upgraded its 2012 operating profit forecast.

It said it now expected to match last year's %u20AC49m as higher revenue per passenger mile compensated for growing costs.
The airline had warned in February that fuel costs would cause profits to fall in 2012 from 2011 levels.
It noted losses were almost a third lower than in the same period in 2011 and said that the business is usually loss making in the quarter.

The airline had reported operating losses of %u20AC53.7m the same time last year.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0503/aer...-first-quarter-operating-loss.html

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media...pdfs/corporate/IMSFinal_030512.pdf

- Aer Lingus very encouraged by long haul performance and is examining opportunities to add capacity on the North Atlantic, any guesses for new routes?

- Expand and deepen its portfolio of bilateral relationships this year with alliance & non-alliance carriers.

- Already mentions Eithad as a non-alliance partner airline like JetBlue.

- Short haul generally performed ahead of previous year but some short haul route groups were weaker than expected.

Shamrock350


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16745 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 65):
Aer Lingus very encouraged by long haul performance and is examining opportunities to add capacity on the North Atlantic, any guesses for new routes?

That's great to hear but where will they get the aircraft to add longhaul flights? I notice DUB-MCO is going back to 3 weekly for Winter 2012/13. Did it always drop back to 2 weekly for the summer season?

-

A Delta Air Lines Boeing 767-300ER diverted to Shannon this morning. It was performing the latter leg of flight DL80 (MCO-ATL-BRU). It was on the ground for over two hours before continuing to Brussels. Presumably a medical diversion.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16673 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 66):
- Aer Lingus very encouraged by long haul performance and is examining opportunities to add capacity on the North Atlantic, any guesses for new routes?

I would presume a West Coast US route to SFO or LAX would fill an abvous gap in the route network.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16575 times:

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From the 10th May onwards the GDS integration process will be commenced.

DUB-LHR and BHD-LHR flights will be given a primary BA flight number and then during a phased process BA will take over the BMI inventory. The process will generate a cancellation in GDS systems of the BMI flight and then a confirmed segment BA flight. All tickets will have to be re issued by airlines/agents etc...


User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16568 times:

MCO never dropped to 2 weekly before. It was 4 weekly for one summer in 2008 I think. Hopefully we see a new route to Canada or a return to the West Coast

User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16287 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 67):
I would presume a West Coast US route to SFO or LAX would fill an abvous gap in the route network.

Seems obvious enough Tony, but I always thought the biggest issue they had with those routes before was while loads were ok, the yield was not great. Any yield seems to be their target on the t/a ops these days.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16292 times:

I think it will be YYZ first and then, if it's deemed viable, either LAX or SFO.

Some good news for Waterfod Airport: Flybe is making its BHX-WAT services year round - Winter service will be 4 times weekly.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 70):
Seems obvious enough Tony, but I always thought the biggest issue they had with those routes before was while loads were ok, the yield was not great. Any yield seems to be their target on the t/a ops these days.

They also cited the rising cost of aviation fuel when they dropped the routes due to their length. The price hasn't exactly come down much...



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16233 times:
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Quoting EIBoston (Reply 70):
but I always thought the biggest issue they had with those routes before was while loads were ok,
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 72):
They also cited the rising cost of aviation fuel when they dropped the routes due to their length. The price hasn't exactly come down much.

Would an upgrade of the J class product would permit a rise in average yield?
With a better J class product they could siphon off more higher yield pax from West Coast route ex-LHR etc.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16169 times:
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Quoting EIBoston (Reply 70):
Seems obvious enough Tony, but I always thought the biggest issue they had with those routes before was while loads were ok, the yield was not great. Any yield seems to be their target on the t/a ops these days.
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 73):

Would an upgrade of the J class product would permit a rise in average yield?
With a better J class product they could siphon off more higher yield pax from West Coast route ex-LHR etc.

The business community has been calling out for a link to SFO for a long time now so perhaps fitting out a few of the A330-200s with a high quality business class product and maybe taking in a few extra rows of economy class seats could get the yields up enough to make such a service viable. Also, EI weren't codeshare partners wih UA at the time and with SFO being a major UA hub, there might be that extra bit of connecting traffic that wasn't there before. If EI have any intention of operating to West coast USA, then they'd better do it soon. Otherwise, I could see UA making a move on DUB-SFO. We've already seen it happen on IAD-DUB.



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User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
The business community has been calling out for a link to SFO for a long time now so perhaps fitting out a few of the A330-200s with a high quality business class product and maybe taking in a few extra rows of economy class seats could get the yields up enough to make such a service viable. Also, EI weren't codeshare partners wih UA at the time and with SFO being a major UA hub, there might be that extra bit of connecting traffic that wasn't there before. If EI have any intention of operating to West coast USA, then they'd better do it soon. Otherwise, I could see UA making a move on DUB-SFO. We've already seen it happen on IAD-DUB.

Well hopefully the same people that have been crying out for this service will put some bums on seats then(preferably J ones!) I am not sure EI would ever go down the route of have different configs on their A332's. mind you they only have 3, so they could just change them all 


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16123 times:

The EK flights are arriving extremely early since the 77W began.

It arrived a little over an hour early today and similar the last few days. Anyone know why?



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User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16120 times:

Could EI's newer A333s reach LAX or SFO? Or would it require payload restrictions? I assume 10-28 is of sufficient length for a full load takeoff to west coast USA?

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16109 times:

Quoting Phen (Reply 77):
Could EI's newer A333s reach LAX or SFO? Or would it require payload restrictions? I assume 10-28 is of sufficient length for a full load takeoff to west coast USA?

No problem; even the old A333s (with 215t MTOW) could have made it, albeit with "limited catering", but with an extra 15-18t on the MTOW (around 3h of fuel for a 333), it should not be a problem.


User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16098 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 71):
I think it will be YYZ first and then, if it's deemed viable, either LAX or SFO.

Merrion Stockbrokers commented on RTE news that EI management had indicated that they were looking at the East Coast and Canada. I'd say YYZ would be the most likely for Canada, and maybe PHL for the East Coast?

They also said that they were looking at European expansion, and were interested in UK domestic routes if they can get the LHR slots.

Any T/A expansion will have to come from the IAD aircraft, and European expansion would have neccesitate additonal 319's/320's.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
The business community has been calling out for a link to SFO for a long time now so perhaps fitting out a few of the A330-200s with a high quality business class product and maybe taking in a few extra rows of economy class seats could get the yields up enough to make such a service viable. Also, EI weren't codeshare partners wih UA at the time and with SFO being a major UA hub, there might be that extra bit of connecting traffic that wasn't there before. If EI have any intention of operating to West coast USA, then they'd better do it soon. Otherwise, I could see UA making a move on DUB-SFO. We've already seen it happen on IAD-DUB

I definately think EI are in a much better position to capture higher yielding passengers to make a West Coast route. A fully flat J cabin would help. SFO departed DUB very early, so a mid morning/afternoon departure would help attract UK and European passengers. UA codeshares to the likes of LAX, LAS and SEA also wouldnt hurt. I doubt that UA would launch West Coast-Dublin as they have always been reluctant to fly such long, thin sectors. With flights to their hubs in IAD and DUB, they have the market covered pretty well.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16043 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
Also, EI weren't codeshare partners wih UA at the time and with SFO being a major UA hub

I believe they were. They implemented the UA codeshare in 2008. The SFO route was dropped towards the end of 2009.

Quoting ein105 (Reply 79):
Merrion Stockbrokers commented on RTE news that EI management had indicated that they were looking at the East Coast and Canada. I'd say YYZ would be the most likely for Canada, and maybe PHL for the East Coast?

What about Newark? There might be a gap left after UA pulled the second daily flight. Also a late morning/afternoon flight could feed into UA's network.



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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16047 times:

EI have said that they're looking at East Coast USA, not the West Coast.

The chances of SFO or LAX returning in 2013 remain slim IMHO. EI seem happy to feed passengers into ORD and let UA take them for there.

EI have also said today that they're looking to acquire a number of BD's LHR slots with a view to increasing flights between Ireland and Heathrow and developing UK domestic routes ex LHR.



Domestic routes ex LHR - a perfect way to burn cash. Hopefully sense will prevail on this one.


User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16027 times:

Quoting Phen (Reply 77):
Could EI's newer A333s reach LAX or SFO? Or would it require payload restrictions? I assume 10-28 is of sufficient length for a full load takeoff to west coast USA?

All of EI's 330-300's are the 'newer' ones, with the oldest having been delivered in 2007.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 81):
Domestic routes ex LHR - a perfect way to burn cash. Hopefully sense will prevail on this one

They have said they were looking at domestic UK routes; they ''look'' at a lot of things, and never push ahead with the plans. Mueller has been conservative with growth and has taken very few risks. Launching UK domestic routes, is similar to launching West Coast or a new East Coast route; it will only happen if they know they will make money

[Edited 2012-05-03 11:31:07]

User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 80):

What about Newark? There might be a gap left after UA pulled the second daily flight. Also a late morning/afternoon flight could feed into UA's network

A midday departure would work well, inbetween the 105 and 109. Like most carriers, UA doesnt like to have their aircraft sit around outstations for long periods of time, so UA never operated a late departure from DUB. There was only 2 hours between CO23 and CO127, which didnt give passengers a huge choice. An EI departure, between 12 and 2 could fill that gap


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15982 times:

Bad news for Belfast but not unexpected .

Bmibaby will cease to operate all flights to and from from Belfast from 11 June, it has been announced.

The company, which transfered to the ownership of International Airlines Group (IAG) last month, has entered talks with unions about its future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17940862


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15944 times:

I did recall hearing a few US West Coast people with business interests in Ireland asking about EI launching a non-stop service from SFO again but in reality I doubt that there is much going to happen any time soon.

To be honest, I doubt EI can really earn any premium corporate traffic without a complete overhaul of the frequent flier program. I think people are underestimating how important it is to high yield corporate travel. The Gold Circle program is pathetic compared to some of the programs the US carriers offer. AA might have a mediocre hard product and on-board service but AAdvantage is outstanding for elite level fliers and offers so much that it would be very challenging to get people to switch.

Even discount carriers like US Airways (with a customer-last philosophy) offer great FF programs to their elites and look after them. Even if and when EI does relaunch Gold Circle as a proper FF program to compete with the US carriers, I doubt they will be able to grab much share for business corporate in the USA as they just don't serve a large enough area in Europe. Why would a businessman purchase J class USA-DUB and then fly in economy onward to UK/Europe? It doesn't make sense to me. If EI is serious about (and maybe with EY getting involved) they would have to offer biz class on Ireland-Europe routes.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15904 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 73):
With a better J class product they could siphon off more higher yield pax from West Coast route ex-LHR etc.

The product itself is actually quite good. IME it is on par with the current OS and old LX A340 product, for example. A few inches pitch so the seat goes fully flat, fresh seats covers and bulkhead coverings would do a lot for the product. I don't think EI need an "all new" business class, just a substantial refresh and a return to three cabin crew in the front cabin.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
The business community has been calling out for a link to SFO for a long time now so perhaps fitting out a few of the A330-200s with a high quality business class product and maybe taking in a few extra rows of economy class seats could get the yields up enough to make such a service viable.

They were provided with the service in the boom years of the late 00's and EI filed to make money on it. I think a lot of the problem was that the LAX service was established, but had to be reduced to give SFO a chance, this created problems for the LAX service which sent it into terminal decline, combined with rising fuel costs ment SFO didn't have much breathing room, even with LAX cut entirely.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
Also, EI weren't codeshare partners wih UA at the time and with SFO being a major UA hub, there might be that extra bit of connecting traffic that wasn't there before.

The problem is that if coming from Europe SFO is not a great hub for connecting to anywhere other than Hawaii, geographically. Most routes require a lot of back-tracking. Additionally from an operational standpoint SFO is less than ideal, with fog and closely spaced parallel runways.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 74):
If EI have any intention of operating to West coast USA, then they'd better do it soon. Otherwise, I could see UA making a move on DUB-SFO. We've already seen it happen on IAD-DUB.

I doubt it. UA serves a grand total of two European destinations from SFO; LHR and FRA. FRA is, of course, a massive STAR hub. I think IAD-DUB is a different case, in that UA is encouraging as much connecting traffic as possible over IAD as a reliever for EWR and there is a bonus of a new point on the map from the IAD hub. Im not sure the volumes are there for DUB- West Coast.

Quoting ein105 (Reply 79):
Merrion Stockbrokers commented on RTE news that EI management had indicated that they were looking at the East Coast and Canada. I'd say PHL for the East Coast?

Im not sure PHL could sustain both US and EI. It's an outside chance, but maybe IAD-MAD might become IAD-DUB instead of the UA 757? Other East Cost cities would include MIA (good for cruises and penetrating into South America) anything beyond that seems extremely unlikely?

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 80):
What about Newark? There might be a gap left after UA pulled the second daily flight. Also a late morning/afternoon flight could feed into UA's network.

Again, this is a route EI has tried and failed on in the past. I suppose it depends how close the relationship is with UA, perhaps replacing the UA 757 may be a possibility. Would an EI presence at EWR and JFK trash yields into the NY area? Probably not if US were to shift 757 capacity elsewhere, probably if they did not.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 84):
Bmibaby will cease to operate all flights to and from from Belfast from 11 June, it has been announced.

Thats very short notice, especially given that many of the BHD flights were summer sun routes, rather than UK domestic routes. I imagine EI will be pleased, as will jet2 and easyJet.
BHX-NOC is also gone from September. As is the airline as a whole, it would seem. Sad news, I had many, many flights with WW in my early years at university when they flew MAN-ORK. As with the rest of the bmi group, a great bunch who were doing their best in less than ideal circumstances. "Hasta la vista, baby"

[Edited 2012-05-03 12:23:26]


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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

Quoting ein105 (Reply 79):
They also said that they were looking at European expansion, and were interested in UK domestic routes if they can get the LHR slots.

Aer Lingus have made no secret that they want more LHR slots for Irish services but with the only available slots already tied to domestic services it's strange to say the least that they are interested in actually operating these routes. It just seems bit out of character after the LGW mess which was one of this first things Mueller got rid of when he arrived.

What happens if nobody takes on the routes, is anyone taking Branson seriously? Maybe that's what EI is waiting for.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 84):
Bad news for Belfast but not unexpected .

Not a shock but a litte surprised to see it so soon. It was starting to drag on for a while though, I hope regional doesn't go the same way.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15570 times:

Questions swirl ahead of today's Aer Lingus agm

ONE MORE THING: THERE SHOULD BE much to discuss at Aer Lingus’s agm today at Dublin airport.

It will be interesting to see if chairman Colm Barrington gives any guidance on the payment of a dividend in the near term.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0504/1224315587137.html


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15554 times:

Quoting ein105 (Reply 79):
They also said that they were looking at European expansion, and were interested in UK domestic routes if they can get the LHR slots.

I can't see that being a good idea at all. Increased rail speeds are pushing down demand and acceptable prices on UK domestic. And LHR is only really useful if you can feed - which would be dependent on BA (and possibly others) being willing to codeshare.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15566 times:

My, all of a sudden things just got interesting in Irish aviation!

A few personal observations - If EI are looking at US East coast / Canada, i'm gonna plump for YYZ.


PHL wont sustain a 330 along side its hub carrier, US Airways. The 757 is adequate for the route in winter, and even then, loads can be on the low side.

EWR, out of the question I think. UA wont give that one up, and I think NY does not need so much extra capacity at the moment, which would depress yields in a market where EI are already clear market leader.

IAD is out based on EI's past experience and UA's new service.

MIA is the only possible I can see on the East Coast of the US, and it may canninalise MCO.

It has to be YYZ!

If it's not Canada/ US East coast, and the reports may have got that wrong, then SFO has to be most likely. EI's feed into DUB does now change the dynamics somewhat. When we talk of the previous attempt at operating the route, we do tend to forget that very important factor, and that of course is the very reason EIR was set up in the first place.

Regarding the EY thing, I think we may now see BA keep the DUBLHR route - EI's loyalty to BA can simply no longer be guaranteed.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15537 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 86):
The problem is that if coming from Europe SFO is not a great hub for connecting to anywhere other than Hawaii, geographically. Most routes require a lot of back-tracking. Additionally from an operational standpoint SFO is less than ideal, with fog and closely spaced parallel runways.

SFO, being a UA hub, would provide connections up and down the West Coast, including Hawaii as you mentioned.

Operationally, yes SFO is less than stellar but it is because of the amount of flights being offered and the layout of the airport, being it was configured during the prop age. International flights have first priority for landing and are not always affected by the weather conditions. Short haul flights are the most affected by the limitations. The airport has never closed due to weather, unlike a ORD,JFK or DFW, but flow control is often used.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15504 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 90):
I think we may now see BA keep the DUBLHR route - EI's loyalty to BA can simply no longer be guaranteed.

British Airways to bring back Dublin-London route

Nearly a quarter of a century after pulling the plug on its services between Dublin and London Heathrow, British Airways jets will be making a reappearance on the route, probably from the autumn.

It's also likely that British Airways will eventually use its Terminal 5 building at Heathrow for its Dublin service, ditching the much-criticised Terminal 1 at the London airport. That could also pose a fresh challenge for Aer Lingus and other carriers on long-haul routes.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ck-dublinlondon-route-3098214.html

DUB-T5/T5-Connections would be a major enhancement for Irish passengers , fingers crossed we see it . Aer Lingus might suffer drop in passengers if that happened as people would choose same terminal connections.


User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15433 times:

Very interesting that BA are coming back, shows there is money to be made! I presume it will be A320/21? Full service to Heathrow again! Will this pose a threat to Cityjet with BA offering their Exec club?

Kevin


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15355 times:
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Quoting EIDL (Reply 89):
Quoting ein105 (Reply 79):
They also said that they were looking at European expansion, and were interested in UK domestic routes if they can get the LHR slots.

I can't see that being a good idea at all. Increased rail speeds are pushing down demand and acceptable prices on UK domestic. And LHR is only really useful if you can feed - which would be dependent on BA (and possibly others) being willing to codeshare.

I am with EIDL on this point. However how about the thought that EI would get the slots and then use them for intra-UK flights operated by a new partner under the EIR brand? EIR is just a franchise agreement. Dash 8's or E-Jet's would be a lot more sutied to such routes than an EI A320. I have a regional airline in mind already.......


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 95, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15296 times:

Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 93):
Very interesting that BA are coming back, shows there is money to be made! I presume it will be A320/21? Full service to Heathrow again! Will this pose a threat to Cityjet with BA offering their Exec club?

They are coming back, as a direct result of the BD take-over, I feel they will stick around for quite a few years. I don't think it will make much difference to Cityjet, but it may impact p2p flyers with BA status choosing BA metal over EI. That said, if they keep the bizzare BD schedule no-one will choose the route anyway.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 92):
It's also likely that British Airways will eventually use its Terminal 5 building at Heathrow for its Dublin service, ditching the much-criticised Terminal 1 at the London airport. That could also pose a fresh challenge for Aer Lingus and other carriers on long-haul routes.

Im not so sure about this one. I think BA would want to move to T5 eventually, but given the already mentioned constraints with infrastructure at LHR and T5 this will be a real challenge. I expect to see BA at T1 for quite a few years yet.



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User currently onlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 96, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15285 times:
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One thing I noted in the Interim Management Statement issued by EI was that the two A319s that have entered service are replacing two A320s that are exiting the fleet. Can anyone advise which aircraft are scheduled to leave the fleet in the coming months?


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User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

Quoting EIDAA (Reply 96):
Can anyone advise which aircraft are scheduled to leave the fleet in the coming months?

EI-CVA is sat in Hangar 6 at the moment and is for sale. It hasn't flown since a C check last year.

I'm not sure what the other one is.



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User currently onlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15152 times:
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Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 97):
EI-CVA is sat in Hangar 6 at the moment and is for sale. It hasn't flown since a C check last year.

Thanks for that!



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15115 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 92):
British Airways to bring back Dublin-London route

This certainly just got interesting!



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 97):
EI-CVA is sat in Hangar 6 at the moment and is for sale. It hasn't flown since a C check last year.

I'm not sure what the other one is.

Were -CVA, CVB, CVC, CVD rumoured to go to Amsterdam Airlines at one point? I guess if EI does get some/all of the ex BD slots at LHR they could revise the plans and expand the fleet, although I would think they would need more than 2 aircraft. I suspect that these UK routes would be relatively short-lived, but slots would be retained. Im not really sure what EI would bring to the UK domestic market that is not already there.



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User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15067 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 100):
Were -CVA, CVB, CVC, CVD rumoured to go to Amsterdam Airlines at one point?

Yes, I believe so. I guess Amsterdam Airlines were struggling for a while before they finally went under.

By the way, I mentioned my difficulties with Gold Circle on the last thread - I am now happy to report that all my points have been credited including the ones that were outside of the 3 month window.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14989 times:

EI has announced its first dividend ... 3c per share, to be paid in July. FR - itself so generous with dividends (!) - has called it insulting. (My heart bleeds).

In other news, US will be downgrading to a 757 for Winter 2012/13; was a 762 last Winter. Service will be 6w.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14981 times:

Aer Lingus's traffic statistics for April 2012:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201205040700177172C

Summary: everything moving in the right direction.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14966 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 103):
Summary: everything moving in the right direction

I hope so, that is usually the way I like my aeroplanes to go 


User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Quoting ein105 (Reply 82):
All of EI's 330-300's are the 'newer' ones, with the oldest having been delivered in 2007.

I'm aware of that  

Thanks Kaitak for your interesting reply!


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14830 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 102):
EI has announced its first dividend ... 3c per share, to be paid in July. FR - itself so generous with dividends (!) - has called it insulting.

They never specified how much of a dividend they were demanding........


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14851 times:

The aircraft going are CVD and DET, both being returned at the end of their respective leases. CVA is for sale and I gather the replacement for it is one of the 2 A319s coming in 2013. I hope this helps. As stated above CVA has not flown since its C-Check last September and is stored in Dublin. I beleve the market is depressed for A320s at the moment with over 80 aircraft seeking new homes

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14799 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 106):
They never specified how much of a dividend they were demanding........

Had to laugh at the comment from the FR guy on six-one this evening "An airline with decent profits, with over a billion in cash".... Which is it guys? A basket case heading for a break up, or a profitable company hoarding its cash? You cant have it both ways.

Given FR have paid a dividend about, oh, once, their own shareholders must be having a wry chuckle!



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

Quoting EI320 (Reply 81):
Domestic routes ex LHR - a perfect way to burn cash. Hopefully sense will prevail on this one.

  

Quoting bx737 (Reply 107):
The aircraft going are CVD

Sad to see my namesake go. Hopefully we'll see the St Kevin name return on an A350!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2146 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14729 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 109):
The aircraft going are CVD

Sad to see my namesake go

Will indeed be sad to see CVD go  


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14665 times:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 110):
Will indeed be sad to see CVD go

LOL.. welcome to the defunct user name club , I call it retro myself  


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14654 times:

Aer Lingus Appoints Chief Technology Officer

Quote:
Aer Lingus today announced the appointment of Ravindra Simhambhalta as its Chief Technology Officer. Mr Simhambhalta most recently worked for Tesla Motors as Vice President Information Technology. He will join Aer Lingus in June and will have responsibility for the leadership of the Information Solutions and Services (ISS) team.

Mr Simhambhalta’s career to date spans three continents, bringing with him a wealth of global experience in technology innovation, gained from working in senior Director and CIO roles in the aviation, software and motor industries.
He has particularly strong experience of technology within the aviation industry having spent four years with Virgin America. He joined Virgin in 2006 during its startup phase and pioneered a systems architecture and infrastructure designed to drive differentiated customer experiences and support strong e-commerce platforms. He also spent a year in Dublin in the 1990s while working with GE Information Services.

Aer Lingus CEO Christoph Mueller commented, “We are delighted to announce the appointment of Ravi Simhambhalta as Chief Technology Officer. I am confident that under Ravi’s leadership, the ISS team will deliver innovative technology solutions to enhance the customer experience, drive commercial opportunities and support ongoing cost reduction in Aer Lingus.”
Aer Lingus,
04 May 2012


http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media.../pressreleases/title,14809,en.html

Aer Lingus have also added a 75th anniversary section to their website, it's got a few nice images. Never seen it before so it's nearly a year late, typical of the Aer Lingus website I'd say!

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/mediacentre/75thanniversary/

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 109):
Sad to see my namesake go. Hopefully we'll see the St Kevin name return on an A350!

A St Kevin A350 sounds good but I'd be happy with a St Kevin A321NEO based at Shannon!


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14572 times:

Industrial Relations and other Issues aside: Today's announcement from Aer Lingus, combined with the recent announcements are indicative of undeniably prudent financial management that is to be most commended. I would argue that Aer Lingus' has demonstrated one of the sharpest positive financial turnarounds in the industry in the past twelve months - if not in explicit monetary terms - certainly in absolute terms. The recent launch of the Corporate website and the enhancement of publications, investor related disclosures etc. are all to be highly commended.

Very positive performance on T/A Business Class has been highlighted repeatedly and this is as a direct resulting of Aer Lingus finally adopting a more optimal, less rigid and incremental pricing model in the past 18 months, not only on Business Class fares but across the Operating network for the majority of fare types.

In terms of the Business Class product: I think that it is sufficient for East Coast routes at present - but on routes such as DUB-ORD it is probably less than sufficient - but not below par when compared to direct competition on the route for example. We must remember that the core hard product is not at all that old. I think that some of the ''finer'' aspects are missing from the Cabin, certainly not in terms of the service (in my experience) but in terms of the overall experience. The Business Cabin is rather clinical - (grey contrasting with green) and even with my minimalist perspectives aside - it needs ''sprucing up''.

From an Investor's perspective: ''Buy'' would certainly be my classification on EI stock at the moment, if it weren't for:
- The abnormal shareholding structure.
- Uncertainty relating to the Pension Deficit issue.

Moreover - while the EI performance is quite exceptional in the face of the continued economic adversity that plagues these shores (This Year will see a 4th consecutive Year of contraction in GNP) - the near term economic situation is likely to deteriorate further. All private consumption and business indices indicate that the majority Eurozone and EU area is now either in or entering recession. Forward looking PMI indicators confirm this. There is increasing risk of a ''severe'' shock to the economic system from a rising tide against austerity etc. Tonight: Ireland remains locked out of Capital Markets with IRL 10 Year Bond Yields at 8.2%. Continually soft domestic demand and inflationary pressures will adversely impact EI's performance in the coming near term. I would also caution as to how much more yield growth can be achieved - a very limited amount most likely.

All of those provisos aside however - EI has performed very well. One area that needs to be invested in now is Customer Service in the form of at least some on-board product enhancement. Notably: A confidentiality agreement has been signed with EY regarding discussions. To speculate wildly also: let's imagine that an arrangement with EY facilitated the transfer of aircraft type options - EI just happens to have an order for several large A350 aircraft that may be over-specified in terms of capacity....

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 114, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14559 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 112):
Aer Lingus have also added a 75th anniversary section to their website, it's got a few nice images. Never seen it before so it's nearly a year late, typical of the Aer Lingus website I'd say!

Better late than never   I like the uniform over the years bit . Personally this will always be my favourite :



User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 115, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14518 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):
In terms of the Business Class product: I think that it is sufficient for East Coast routes at present - but on routes such as DUB-ORD it is probably less than sufficient - but not below par when compared to direct competition on the route for example. We must remember that the core hard product is not at all that old. I think that some of the ''finer'' aspects are missing from the Cabin, certainly not in terms of the service (in my experience) but in terms of the overall experience. The Business Cabin is rather clinical - (grey contrasting with green) and even with my minimalist perspectives aside - it needs ''sprucing up''.

You are correct, the core hard product is fine and can indeed be further adapted to complete lie flat if required. But yes, the cabin is a little clinical. Personally, i'm a fan of the clinical cabins (the A320 cabin is also clinical) because it feels spacious and light filled once above the clouds. However, comparing it to BA, or AF, yes, it is somewhat dull, but that is not something that would cost a lot to fix. I think EI probably need to go on a branding exercise with Business Class and learn how to actually sell it. Their current attempt on the website is rather pathetic.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):
Notably: A confidentiality agreement has been signed with EY regarding discussions. To speculate wildly also: let's imagine that an arrangement with EY facilitated the transfer of aircraft type options - EI just happens to have an order for several large A350 aircraft that may be over-specified in terms of capacity....

Well, now that is most juicy..... one would be delighted should, say, a certain Boeing Long Haul product be in the mix!



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14355 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 112):

Aer Lingus have also added a 75th anniversary section to their website, it's got a few nice images. Never seen it before so it's nearly a year late, typical of the Aer Lingus website I'd say!

Laughing at the uniforms....my mum still has her late 60s hat AND the Thunderbirds are Go hat from the early 70s! I also think I saw the 80s beret stuffed into some drawer in my folks broom closet last time I was over!



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User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14239 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):
EI just happens to have an order for several large A350 aircraft that may be over-specified in terms of capacity....

I like your thinking EIBusiness, this would definitely be a good option for EI to offload the perhaps unsuitable 350. And although difficult, DY have managed to source some 787's at a relatively late stage, so maybe EI still have an opportunity to change the long haul plans to a 788/789 combo?
That being said, I wish EI would make some sort of move re: a smaller jet or even another franchise to feed long haul, there is still sufficient time to build up much more connection possibilities before the (presumably) late arrival of the 350.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14174 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 117):
I like your thinking EIBusiness, this would definitely be a good option for EI to offload the perhaps unsuitable 350

I was thinking that EY might take EI's 350s, but they only have A350-1000s on order, along with 41 789s (the largest customer, to date, for the 787-9). I still think that the fact that EI has early delivery slots works to its advantage, if it chooses to go down the 787 road; the fact that AB has entered into a co-operation with EY on 787s is also interesting and perhaps EI might choose to do this. However, at the end of the day, I think EI will stick with the A350s.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 119, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14155 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):

I agree with you, I think EI have done a great job focussing on yield. Business class now accounts for about a quarter of revenue, despite accounting for about 10% of capacity, on a per-seat basis. It is in stark contrast to a few years ago when the viability of Business Class as a whole, was being debated here.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):

I think you are certainly engaging in wild speculation there! I think it's too soon to say for certain what will happen and at the end of the day 3% is not a huge ownership stake. That said, there are certainly some synergies EI could benefit from and of course widened access to the Ethiad network, possibly also the Virgin Australia network and even Air Berlin too, although I'm not sure what some of those partnerships would really add to the network as a whole.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14105 times:

I wonder could we see EI beginning to co-operate with AB to Berlin as part of this agreement? EI already have quite a strong German route network which could only be strengthened if they had some kind of partner there


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14083 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 113):
EI just happens to have an order for several large A350 aircraft that may be over-specified in terms of capacity....

I've been turning around on the A350 for Aer Lingus recently.

The A359 is listed as 315-366 pax in a 2 class configuration (Wikipedia... yes, I know, I know). Considering Aer Lingus Business Class has been selling very well (and there is no reason why this should not continue), one would think the aircraft would have more than 24 J seats in EI configuration. Add to that possible lie-flat, and the capacity will be similar to the current A330s.

One thing EI should be doing is making some kind of deal with either BA or QF, or even EY or EK for flights to Australia. Sure, you can book it with a travel agent, but it would be nice to be able to put "Dublin" and "Sydney" (etc) into the Aer Lingus web site and purchase flights that way. If 50 people per day (I think that was the last figure I saw) were travelling to Australia, then surely it would make sense for EI to codeshare with someone for that amount of seats onwards to Australia.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 14042 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 121):
One thing EI should be doing is making some kind of deal with either BA or QF, or even EY or EK for flights to Australia. Sure, you can book it with a travel agent, but it would be nice to be able to put "Dublin" and "Sydney" (etc) into the Aer Lingus web site and purchase flights that way. If 50 people per day (I think that was the last figure I saw) were travelling to Australia, then surely it would make sense for EI to codeshare with someone for that amount of seats onwards to Australia.

As it is, you can book flights on both the SQ or CX websites from DUB/SNN/ORK to many places in Australia via LHR. It seems odd that you cannot avail of this option on the EI website. The various agreements are obviously in place. Can anyone shed light on this one?



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13982 times:

You can also book via AMS to most of KL's route network from KL's website and, again, not via EI's.

Is this normal practice for any other airline with codeshare and interline deals to only sell seats to the other partner? They don't do it for B6/UA obviously but do for everyone else.

[Edited 2012-05-05 05:47:03]

User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 124, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13911 times:
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A bit of a setback for NOC

BMI Baby to stop Knock services.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0504/bmi-baby-to-stop-knock-services.html

I wonder could FR take over this route? It has been on offer from NOC for a long time. Thing is though, does NOC want FR to get into the kind of position where it has a stranglehold over them just like they had at SNN?



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13917 times:

The additional EI Regional DUB-BHX flight is not For sale past June anymore, so I'd guess that they're changing the route to NOC-BHX

User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13849 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 120):
EI already have quite a strong German route network

Strong compared to who? BA? Ryanair? According to some quick calculations, EI appears to serve 6 cities in Germany with approximately 62 flights a week on scheduled services. Also, no one destination is served non-stop more than twice a day (DUB-FRA/DUS)

EI certainly serves Germany with more frequency and destination than 10 years ago but suggest they have a 'strong' route network to Germany probably an overly optimistic assessment. EI does have a strong route network to the UK, but not to Germany in my opinion.



It is what it is.
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 127, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13885 times:

Compared to FR, EI have a much stronger network to Germany from Ireland. FR have German bases so you can't comrade the two like for like. I simply meant Germany is quite a strong market for EI. Outside of UK its probably their biggest market or a close 3rd to Spain. Far more so than France or Italy


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineein105 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 114):
Better late than never I like the uniform over the years bit . Personally this will always be my favourite

I think that was the nicest one. It was smart and tailored. The current uniform was nice when it was introduced, but it needs to be refreshed.

Quoting Reply 126):
Strong compared to who? BA? Ryanair? According to some quick calculations, EI appears to serve 6 cities in Germany with approximately 62 flights a week on scheduled services. Also, no one destination is served non-stop more than twice a day (DUB-FRA/DUS)

Its strong in comparison to FR ex Dublin. Germany has certainly grown in importance in the EI network. EI's UK network is really the only place that it is strong in comparison to other airlines. And in reality, with the Regional partnership, could become even stronger


User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13686 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 124):
A bit of a setback for NOC

[quote=ein105,reply=125]The additional EI Regional DUB-BHX flight is not For sale past June anymore, so I'd guess that they're changing the route to NOC-BHX

I hope you are correct EIN105, I would like to see EI / EIR expand more from NOC more than anyone. However, I would expect FR / BE to take up the route in the current market. BE and the Q400 would seem to be the more suitable a/c for the route, however it would be no surprise if FR jumped into the route with the 738 pullout. FR would certainly provide cheaper fares for the NOC market.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 130, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13690 times:

Quoting ein105 (Reply 128):

I guess for me it was the style when I first moved to Ireland and EI were phasing out the B747 and just got the new A330s. BFS was starting BFS-SNN-JFK and the memories of my first EI flight DUB-LHR in the then Executive Class.   Nostalgia....


User currently offlineTravelGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13272 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 90):
MIA is the only possible I can see on the East Coast of the US, and it may canninalise MCO.

In that choice, EI would be better served focusing on MIA instead of MCO. MCO is low yield market, entirely fed from one direction (i.e. ex Ireland Mouse traffic) and very price sensitive. MIA at least offers the option of front of the bus traffic, much better onward connection options, and the ability to make at least some inroads into Latin American/Caribbean traffic.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 102):
EI has announced its first dividend ... 3c per share, to be paid in July. FR - itself so generous with dividends (!) - has called it insulting. (My heart bleeds).

Indeed it is odd to hear FR complain about dividends. There is what I can only describe as a "complaint fatigue" that arises when listening to all of FR's public statements. Ryanair raises a lot of good points and make some very valid public statements re: management and finance matters. However the rather constant level of complaints they make (wrt Aer Lingus), some that are just meant to throw a jab in like that statement, means that so much of their valid statements get lost in all the noise. FR stands to receive a check for circa EUR 4.77MM from this dividend. Nice to be able to complain about that! (then again they've taken a bath on share price, but that's another argument)

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 90):
EWR, out of the question I think. UA wont give that one up, and I think NY does not need so much extra capacity at the moment, which would depress yields in a market where EI are already clear market leader.

I know this point has been debated before ad nauseum but I really feel strongly that one cannot use the phrase "clear market leader" to describe the position of Aer Lingus' Ireland-New York routes.

If one is referring to yield on the route, United holds the clear pricing power on their EWR routes with an ideal aircraft size, massive onward feed, and strong Mileage Plus affiliation. Aer Lingus's yield power suffers from having too many seats on the A330s to fill year round, whereas the US carriers can swap out different aircraft types to suit the season and demand. United also take the three-routes-to-two argument as well. Business Class traffic favors the US carriers as well. In terms of softer product offerings, there can be good debate on the leader though.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 115):
I think EI probably need to go on a branding exercise with Business Class and learn how to actually sell it. Their current attempt on the website is rather pathetic.

Successfully selling Business Class seats on the transatlantic takes more than just putting your product up on a website and hoping it sells, or lowballing the market and hoping to build market share. Whereas the back of the bus is more specifically sensitive to price, business class requires a better understanding of corporate travel buyers' decision drivers, and a better understanding of how corporate travel management works in general.

Across the pond, corporate travel drives the majority of business class seat sales, and which tends to be higher yielding and more consistent. The general consensus is that EI lacks a proper understanding of this critical component of the market or how to work with it.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 90):
A few personal observations - If EI are looking at US East coast / Canada, i'm gonna plump for YYZ.

That would seem to make sense at first glance. Canada as a whole is performing fairly strongly in terms of economic/financial indicators, and Toronto is a sizable and relatively wealthy metro area, with a sizable ethnic connection to Ireland as well. However it bears noting that the economic engine of Canada has decidedly moved west in recent years to the prairie provinces, away from the traditional industrial areas of Ontario.

Montreal is a nonstarter in my opinion. They served it before (albeit ages ago) with very lackluster results.

Outside of Toronto and the West Coast, I feel strongly that EI will not go back to an airport where they have "failed" or face direct competition from another airline. Any expansion will be done cautiously to a "top tier" city where they avoid direct competition from a US major who could cut the market from them. When you go through the options with that in mind, there won't be more than a handful of realistic options. I would like Toronto's chances, but that is pure speculation on my part. If I had to make an alternate guess, SFO would be up there. Then again, they have been cautious in recent times so EI might just not make any expansion moves across the Atlantic.


User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

Hi guys and gals,

I have a quick question that I only trust the knowledgeable people here to answer!  

I'm returning to DUB next week for a visit to my family. At the beginning of June, I want to book flights to DME and return to DUB in the middle of August. Through a booking agent, it gives BD as the cheapest option.

My question, will BD still serve DUB (as BMI or BA) ? What will happen if they pull the plug? Do I get rerouted on BA or a refund?

Should I go with my usual LX or LH via the continent to be safe?

Thanks for any help in advance!

Rgds,
Cptn MK



my luggage is better travelled than me!
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13096 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 112):
A St Kevin A350 sounds good but I'd be happy with a St Kevin A321NEO based at Shannon!

Wouldn't mind that either!

--

An SAS Boeing 737-600 just landed at Shannon for re-painting at the Eirtech facility. It was operating as flight SK9115 from Stockholm.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2146 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13087 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 132):

You should be safe if your flying in August, BD will operate there normal schedule up untill the winter timetable.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 135, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

Quoting TravelGuy (Reply 131):

My reference to EI aa the market leader on the NY route was with reference only to DUB-NYC, not to Ireland- NY.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 136, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 132):

Your fine unless some drastic route cut on that specific route your 99% guaranteed of your flights going to plan. Had it been after October then it's another matter.


User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12836 times:

Thanks eicvd and OA260, always helpful and with good advice!  

Looking forward to getting back to DUB for a while and seeing aome green metal besides S7!  



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 138, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

You don't think that Aer Lingus might be the potential buyer for BMI Regional by any chance?

The thought struck me earlier today - it'd be very cheap for a start, gives some more access to the UK market and so on... there have been reports that there is an interested party. Possible?



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 139, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12676 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 138):
You don't think that Aer Lingus might be the potential buyer for BMI Regional by any chance?

The thought struck me earlier today - it'd be very cheap for a start, gives some more access to the UK market and so on... there have been reports that there is an interested party. Possible?

With EI anything is possible, but I think it would be a terrible decision if they did. EI's LGW experiment should have thought them enough to demonstrate that EI's brand recognition in UK isnt as strong as they thought and running domestic UK flights would be a waste of money. EI have made good progress on becoming profitable again and need to follow that strategy - expand long haul, bring in smaller jets for thinner European routes and continue to look at European markets which they dont serve (personally I think there is more to be gotten from the Scandinavian market for a start)



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 140, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12592 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 138):
You don't think that Aer Lingus might be the potential buyer for BMI Regional by any chance?

Not unless they intended to buy them and relocate to DUB and just use their A/C.


User currently offlinecaptainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12566 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 140):
Not unless they intended to buy them and relocate to DUB and just use their A/C.

A very good point - the mix of EMB135/145 might be ideal for EI to continue expansion where the larger Airbus aircraft are too much capacity.

However, I don't see it happening. EI are too cautious and perhaps that is the reason for their current profitability.



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User currently offlineIre2008 From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12514 times:

I highly doubt EI are looking at regional jets let alone BMI regional! Regional jets are too costly to fit into Aer Lingus' model.

Kevin


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 143, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12463 times:

Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 141):

The EMB 135/145 are gas guzzlers. They only really suit a premium/high fare model. Much better go for the 170!



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 144, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

The 135 and 145 only really worked serving major hubs, and with the price of oil these days, I wonder if any 50 seat operator anywhere has sustainable profits. In Europe, AF probably has the largest set of 145s / CR2s and this may be pne reason behind their ever poor financials.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 143):
They only really suit a premium/high fare model.

Austrian couldnt even make them work.



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 145, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12410 times:

Anyone know why BA have uploaded the BD flights from DUB-LHR for point to point bookings but not for connections? If you try to book DUB-MAD or HEL you get EI flights but for the same dates if you just book DUB-LHR the BD flights are there?


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineCabincrewifly From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 138):
You don't think that Aer Lingus might be the potential buyer for BMI Regional by any chance?

I was thinking the same thing, but its hardly worth buying a fleet or second hand regional jets and all the other problems that come with them



EI FR RE EIR IWD MA FUA
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 147, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12361 times:

And you then inherit the whole redundnacy costs. EI doesnt need a second head office in Aberdeen.

If you were in need for ER3s, no doubt there are others who will pay you to take them away... buy 1 get 4 free...



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 148, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12237 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 145):

Inventory is being transferred over so until the BA flight number is the primary flight number I expect connections to not be possible until then.


User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

Came across these nice shots:


A6-EBC Boeing 777-36NER Emirates by elevationair, on Flickr


A6-EGO Boeing 777-31HER Emirates - 1000th 777 by elevationair, on Flickr

Hard to believe they're filling these every day along with EY!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 150, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11964 times:

Quoting Phen (Reply 149):

Certainly is amazing to see this at DUB . Long may it last .


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 151, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11887 times:
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Lovely shots. I also saw this shot posted, not outstanding quality but it shows the size of the B773ER alongside an A320:

That still looks big from up here...... by tearbringer, on Flickr


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 152, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

My latest Aer Lingus experience can be seen here :

Norwegian Cruise Lines + Aer Lingus +EI GC Lounge. (by OA260 May 8 2012 in Trip Reports)

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/NCL1/file-124.jpg


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11600 times:
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That's a fancy looking mug for an A320 flight........................




Oh look the recent full Moon has brought out the vote grabbing headlines:
(I feel sorry for the SNN region that it does not have a political rep who understand its market/economics)

Aer Lingus could successfully operate all-year-round daily flights to the US from Shannon if it used smaller, more efficient aircraft, it has been claimed.
Fianna Fáil transport spokesman Timmy Dooley believes the aircraft Aer Lingus operates on US routes from Shannon are too big. The two US carriers operate single-aisle narrow-bodied Boeing 757s ........ “The A330 is too big and this is why I believe they haven’t been able to make the route viable and can’t operate it all year,” he said



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0508/1224315744334.html

[Edited 2012-05-08 07:49:43]

[Edited 2012-05-08 07:50:28]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26846 posts, RR: 58
Reply 154, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11600 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 153):
That's a fancy looking mug for an A320 flight........................

Indeed .  


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Emirates have advised that the following destinations are the most popular from DUB on the new service .

KHI/KUL/PER/MEL/SIN/SYD/NRT

52% more seating capacity and 10 Tonnes more of cargo since the B777 took over .


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 155, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11551 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 153):

Have they started serving hot drink in real mugs now? If so a massive thumbs up.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 156, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 153):
Oh look the recent full Moon has brought out the vote grabbing headlines

I fear we will have to be careful with posts in future, as the 757 suitability for thin transatlantic routes idea was floating around here recently. Of course that was with existing operators of this type. One assumes ETOPS 757 are still hard to come by.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11388 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 155):
Have they started serving hot drink in real mugs now? If so a massive thumbs up.

Not as of last week on the craft I was on, but that's one of the IB-spec planes going on the seat-back. Don't they have significantly bigger galleys?


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 158, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11353 times:
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Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 153):
(I feel sorry for the SNN region that it does not have a political rep who understand its market/economics)

Well, in fairness to Timmy, his commentary is at the very least somewhat more logical and more sensible in the context of the normal quality of commentary on SNN that comes from local political figures (an lets face it, that's not setting the bar too high). I would even go as far as saying he is right on certain points. At least he knows what other airlines fly transatlantic from SNN, what sized aircraft they use and that in the case of US, they do it year-round without incurring massive losses in the off season. He's not just taking advantage of situation such as the cancellation of a flight out of SNN so that the "Shannon plane" can be "stolen" by Aer Lingus to replace the "Dublin plane". Everyone on this forum agrees wiht him when he states that the A330 is too large for SNN operations regardless of time of the year and that B757-sized aircraft are far more appropriate. However, what he says it nothing Aer Lingus haven't known for decades already. Perhaps though, in a convoluted way, could this be an indication that EI are already considering bringing in the A321NEO to operate on thinner routes and that Timmy has gotten wind of it and is positioning himself to claim credit?

[Edited 2012-05-08 11:06:20]

[Edited 2012-05-08 11:06:53]


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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 159, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 158):
Perhaps though, in a convoluted way, could this be an indication that EI are already considering bringing in the A321NEO to operate on thinner routes and that Timmy has gotten wind of this so that if EI can make such an announcement, Timmy can claim credit?

Aer Lingus have already stated they are evaluating the A321neo and 737-9MAX for transatlantic flights, they gave a 12-18 month timeframe before a thorough analysis would take place.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...37-9-max-alongside-a320neo-367493/

It was discussed at the time how Shannon would benefit from any A321neo or 737MAX order so it looks like it's taken four months for Timmy to comment on it. Also saying the A330 is too big for year round Shannon services is just repeating what has been said by Aer Lingus management since 2009.

The neo or max would be a suitable size for year round operations at Shannon but I'm not too sure about what routes from DUB could benefi