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Mexican B727 "crash" In Test  
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16250 times:

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=145323

I guess that pilots are still needed to fly airliners.

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User currently offlinepilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

I believe it was a ex Champion Air plane.

http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16125 times:

It was the Discovery-channel who crashed (intentionally) a 727 in the Mexican desert for tests...

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16079 times:

From an article on this I just read, it will be part of a Discovery Channel series on crash landings to be shown in 2012. IIRC, about 20 years ago there was an intentional crash of an old B 720 with a load of fuel to try to figure out ways to reduce deaths and injuries from fire in a crash landing.

Edit: actually this was done in 1984 via NASA to see if an additive could be put into fuel to reduce fire in a crash. Here is webpage with video of the tests: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html

[Edited 2012-04-29 16:17:42]

User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15822 times:

Shaky video but it's worth the 30 seconds.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtM8R7KWyY&feature=related

Pilots parachute landing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5alQCrZzRs&feature=relmfu



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

It clearly shows the dangers of landing nose wheel first (as no one was aboard to flair), with the nose section and cockpit braking off and rolling under the main fuselarge.

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 12360 times:

I'd love to know exactly what they wanted to achieve in that 727 test. What were they trying to simulate?

Regardless of what it was, I can't believe the rest of the fuselage stayed intact after the nose got ripped off so violently. That's impressive.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 11892 times:

Quoting BryanG (Reply 6):
I'd love to know exactly what they wanted to achieve in that 727 test. What were they trying to simulate?

I was wondering the same thing, also there is PLENTY of desert in the U.S (NM, NV, AZ, TX, even California) I wonder if the U.S Government and the FAA told the Discovery Channel "OH HELL NO"...


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Believe it or not, g500, that seems likely. The FAA might have a problem with it, but also the EPA as well. There's a fair bit of oversight to aircraft disposal, and I doubt crashing one would pass muster that way.


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User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 10898 times:

I'd like to know the details of the pilots' egress from the airplane. The aft airstairs do not appear down in the video, although I suspect this is how it was done; leaving though a cabin exit in a commercial jet is no easy task and very high risk.

User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

I wonder how the crew were able to parachute out of the aircraft, given the location of the engines - they must have done something to avoid getting caught in or striking them.

Cheers,

MCO 2 BRS


User currently onlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 10423 times:

Quoting CM (Reply 9):
The aft airstairs do not appear down in the video, although I suspect this is how it was done; leaving though a cabin exit in a commercial jet is no easy task and very high risk.

They probably removed it altogether to ensure nothing would prevent the pilots' escape.
They joined the exclusive club of live commercial pilots with less landings than takeoffs...

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I wonder if the U.S Government and the FAA told the Discovery Channel "OH HELL NO"...

I'm guessing that's exactly what's happened.
They've probably even banned inbound calls from Discovery Channel by now after being tiredlessly harrassed by the Mythbusters for so many years.
Willingly crashing an aircraft on the ground close to a group of people filming it while the pilots would jump out with parachutes just prior sounds like the plot of an action movie. An official from a civil aviation agency in the US or Europe would have a brain seizure at the very mention of the idea...

Not to mention the hoards of ecotards protesting about the littering of aircraft debris and fuel in a natural area.
The necessary clearance must have been hard enough to arrange even in Mexico.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 10191 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
hoards of ecotards

Thanks for the visual!    Not sure everyone will appreciate it, but I needed a good chuckle this morning.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6637 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 10165 times:


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This is the only photo in database, but it is generic. No construction/line # or customer code. So how do we find out who this was first delivered to & when?



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User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 547 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 9963 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13):
This is the only photo in database, but it is generic. No construction/line # or customer code. So how do we find out who this was first delivered to & when?

I just updated it - the cn/ln was 21348/1287


User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 9728 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
An official from a civil aviation agency in the US or Europe would have a brain seizure at the very mention of the idea ...

In which case one can only hope that it was mentioned early and often...



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
They probably removed it altogether to ensure nothing would prevent the pilots' escape.

This video appears to show the aicraft heading off to it's fate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5T3pRe0pC8

I'm not sure, but it does look like there is a hole under the tail.

Take Off:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PxW_UtpSoM

Poor thing, I look at it swinging round and taxiing off, lamb to the slaughter house.

[Edited 2012-04-30 10:51:44]


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6616 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 9404 times:
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as per the articles in Spanish, they removed the airstairs and the door. So, I guess pressurization was never in the cards. Now if the idea was to try to attempt a landing through remote control, as the articles in Spanish also state, the attempt obviously failed miserably.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I was wondering the same thing, also there is PLENTY of desert in the U.S (NM, NV, AZ, TX, even California)

Why would it have to be done in the US? In another article, it's mentioned that this place was chosen after a long search and they considered it ideal.



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

It appears the engines may be intact as well! Certain they ingested a considerable amount of debris and dirt, but they appear to be visually unharmed! Wonder if they'll attempt to reuse them????


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6134 times:
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Bob Doles campaign plane... lol

BTW: Everything I've seen indicates that Nat Geo was behind this not Discovery.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 10):
I wonder how the crew were able to parachute out of the aircraft, given the location of the engines - they must have done something to avoid getting caught in or striking them.

I believe it is referred to as the "D.B. Cooper Method" of egress. IIRC in the '90s there was a DC-9 with the aft airstairs removed for a similar exit for parachutists.

Found it, it's a DC-9-21


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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

The aircraft was originally owned by AS...tail number N293AS. I believe she was purchased new by AS from Boeing.

http://www.gadling.com/2012/04/30/th...crashes-a-727-intentionally-video/



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User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

This 200 flew for Singapore and VASP, prior to joining AS.

User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Why would it have to be done in the US? In another article, it's mentioned that this place was chosen after a long search and they considered it ideal.

Money > Brains


25 AirlineCritic : If you define that as pilots who were not onboard when the plane came down, that must be a very exclusive club! I cannot remember a single other inci
26 HiFlyerAS : Thanks 28L...was digging around trying to find that info. We had a rag-tag fleet of -27's back then....some new, some from Braniff and others that we
27 Post contains links Kamran73 : Interesting video. There's already a database entry on ASN: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20120427-0 Out of curiosity, would this
28 bennett123 : A bit tough on the dummies at the front.
29 United727 : These bastards used a "rare" aircraft, whether it was cheap or not, this was one of the FEW remaining AIRWORTHY B727 Pax ships! They could have used s
30 garpd : Chill dude, chill. At least it went out with a bang instead of rotting away quietly in a slow death.
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