cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7703 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13494 times:
Definitely real. I have pages clipped from a Time or a Life of that week with these pics and another of the DC-8 after landing, still smoking, with the headline, "A cool captain brought this one home in one piece" or similar. In the thread you quote, there is the incident report summary.
Great pics, thanks for sharing.
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DashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13186 times:
I think it's BS. Copied and pasted the NTSB report:
14 CFR Part 121 Scheduled operation of EASTERN AIR LINES INC
Event occurred Thursday, February 13, 1964 in SAN JUAN, PR
Aircraft: DOUGLAS DC-8, registration: N8604
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------4-0025 64/2/13 SAN JUAN PR DOUGLAS DC-8 CR- 0 0 7 SCHED INTERNATL PASSG SRV UNK/NR INSTRUMENT RATED. TIME - 0812 N8604 PX- 0 0 87 DAMAGE-NONE OT- 0 0 0 CLASSIFIED AS INCIDENT OPERATOR - EASTERN AIR LINES,INC. TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION ENGINE FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE FIRE OR EXPLOSION: IN FLIGHT IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE PARTIAL POWER LOSS - PARTIAL LOSS OF POWER - 1 ENGINE COMPLETE POWER LOSS - COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE/FLAMEOUT-1 ENGINE EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING ON AIRPORT
Canadi>n From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13022 times:
I too have the original photospread that I cut out of a LIFE magazine that my grandfather had stored in his garage. My eyes nearly popped out of my head the day I came across those pictures flipping through that magazine. I don't think they had Photoshop in 1964!
DashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12563 times:
Quoting Canadi>n (Reply 3): I too have the original photospread that I cut out of a LIFE magazine that my grandfather had stored in his garage. My eyes nearly popped out of my head the day I came across those pictures flipping through that magazine. I don't think they had Photoshop in 1964!
I think you're right about that. There is some disconnect over the picture and the NTSB report however.
tymnbalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12529 times:
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 2): IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE FIRE OR EXPLOSION: IN FLIGHT IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE PARTIAL POWER LOSS - PARTIAL LOSS OF POWER - 1 ENGINE COMPLETE POWER LOSS - COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE/FLAMEOUT-1 ENGINE EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING ON AIRPORT
Photos show #2 on fire.
Huh...I read this as "one" engine, (as in, "an engine") not "number one" engine.
AC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 784 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12157 times:
Seems to me that it is a very real picture.
The following link gives a brief story of what happened on that flight by the Capt who was flying.
From the story and pictures, it appears that the #2 engine was the one that exploded. http://richardlouisnewman.tripod.com/dc8intro.html
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NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3082 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12137 times:
Not to change the subject slightly, but I remember reading about the Pan Am 707 that departed from SFO in the 1960s and the engine and part of the wing caught fire. I want to say the engine fell off and landed on a warehouse. Someone had a picture of it taken from a distance while driving on the freeway, but the picture was very similar with a long fireball going behind it. The plane landed safely I believe at Travis AFB.
maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 854 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12091 times:
I think you guys are thinking about the Pan Am 707 that had an engine explosion and fire that burned off 1/3 of the right wing out of SFO. That was a major story in 1965, and here's the Life magazine article. Amazing photos!
One reason I question this authenticity of the DC-8 engine fire is the date - February 13, 1964. It shows the final version of the Eastern hockey stick color scheme, but according to Robert J. Serling's history of Eastern, the first experimental colors went on a DC-8 in May 1964 and the final hockey stick scheme didn't appear until fall. So either it's a real picture taken of later engine fire or it's a fake.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4280 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11562 times:
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 9): the first experimental colors went on a DC-8 in May 1964
I was just reading the same information, in a different book. It said the same thing ... that the final version of the "New Mark" colour scheme was not applied to an aircraft until early 1965.
But, if you look at that picture, it does look like it has been altered. The windows do not look "right".
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flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11304 times:
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 9): So either it's a real picture taken of later engine fire or it's a fake.
Or someone's got a date wrong. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
If you read the history page linked above, it indicates that the incident was in 1967. Well after the hockey stick was introduced. Keep in mind that old records were digitized either by hand or by optical character recognition of a dubious quality.
I don't think there's any question that the incident happened, however. And there's nothing about the images themselves that appears fake.
sparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10991 times:
The aircraft in the photo has exit outlines which didnt appear until mid 1966.The first aircraft that I saw in the full Hockey Stick scheme was Electra N5527 in September 1964 here in HSV.N5524 had the experimental scheme with the logo on the fin first came through here in August of 1964.Most Eastern people wanted that scheme,but Floyd Hall didnt want any falcon likeness on the tail.
maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 854 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10882 times:
Quoting flashmeister (Reply 11): Or someone's got a date wrong. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
If you read the history page linked above, it indicates that the incident was in 1967. Well after the hockey stick was introduced. Keep in mind that old records were digitized either by hand or by optical character recognition of a dubious quality.
Yeah, I missed the post linking it to a 1967 incident. No question, it happened and the photos are real, just the original story I started the thread with was wrong about the date. Here's the link to the NTSB synopsis, they even got the engine right!
JFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 471 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10053 times:
It could not have been in 1964 because the FAA did not mandate door outlines to be painted until 1966. So my suspicion is that, unless the date in question is wrong, these photos are faked.
flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9827 times:
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 16):
It could not have been in 1964 because the FAA did not mandate door outlines to be painted until 1966. So my suspicion is that, unless the date in question is wrong, these photos are faked.
I think we've established that it occurred in 1967, not 1964.
...the very first reply (mine) clearly states that these were printed in Life magazine, and I have an original
at home. How can you then say, nope, fake. I am dying of curiosity.
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...the very first reply (mine) clearly states that these were printed in Life magazine, and I have an original
at home. How can you then say, nope, fake. I am dying of curiosity.
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kellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 670 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7730 times:
The photos are real. It was a 1967 incident from JFK. Here is the proper NTSB report.
NTSB Identification: NYC67I0136
14 CFR Part 121 Scheduled operation of EASTERN AIR LINES INC
Aircraft: DOUGLAS DC-8, registration: N8612
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA
F S M/N PURPOSE
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4-0009 67/4/8 JAMAICA,NY DOUGLAS DC-8 CR- 0 0 7 SCHED DOM PASSG SRV CERTIFICATE UNKNOWN, AGE
TIME - 1217 N8612 PX- 0 0106 UNK/NR, UNK/NR TOTAL
DAMAGE-NONE OT- 0 0 0 HOURS, UNK/NR IN TYPE,
UNK/NR INSTRUMENT RATED.
CLASSIFIED AS INCIDENT
NAME OF AIRPORT - J.F.KENNEDY INTL
OPERATOR - EASTERN AIR LINES,INC.
TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION
ENGINE FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION TAKEOFF: INITIAL CLIMB
FIRE OR EXPLOSION: IN FLIGHT TAKEOFF: INITIAL CLIMB
COMPLETE POWER LOSS - COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE/FLAMEOUT-1 ENGINE
EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING ON AIRPORT
REMARKS- FIRE NO.2 ENG 14 OPERATIONAL HOURS AFTER MAINTENANCE ON ENG COMPLETED.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7232 times:
The photo is real, it is just enhanced. It was very common back in the '60 to enhance photos with water color paints or pens to make them look more real. What they have painted as orange 'fire' might just be smoke.
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Quoting DashTrash (Reply 2): TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION ENGINE FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE FIRE OR EXPLOSION: IN FLIGHT IN FLIGHT: CLIMB TO CRUISE PARTIAL POWER LOSS - PARTIAL LOSS OF POWER - 1 ENGINE COMPLETE POWER LOSS - COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE/FLAMEOUT-1 ENGINE EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING ON AIRPORT
Photos show #2 on fire.
I misread the report and took it as saying #1 was on fire. The picture shows #2 on fire.
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 4): I think you're right about that. There is some disconnect over the picture and the NTSB report however.
Another post from me.
Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 5): Huh...I read this as "one" engine, (as in, "an engine") not "number one" engine.
A post where someone points out the NTSB report doesn't specify which engine.
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 16): Yeah, I think y'all are right about that. I didn't read it correctly.
Me agreeing I read the report wrong.
I did say I thought it was BS. I didn't say I thought the pic was fake. Problem is I wasn't at all specific. Someone has further posted here that the report I copied and pasted into this thread was incorrect, and the correct one has been posted. Apologies if you thought I was calling you, or the OP out as it was not the intent and I certainly did not communicate my message effectively.
25 n318ea: The pilot was Capt Dave Vaughter. I had the honor of making my first Flight as an EAL Flight Attendant with him. Ironically on Flt 401 as he was flyin
26 737tdi: What a beautiful aircraft. I wish the link on the quoted site, www.DC-8.org was still up. I loved my years of working on the DC-8, I worked 61, 63, 71
27 spacecadet: 1960's film stocks were notorious for both a) poor color balance, and b) poor dynamic range. It is entirely possible that in a photograph filled other
28 Viscount724: Are you referring to this site? (no hyphen in DC8 in the URL) http://www.dc8.org/
29 737tdi: Wow, thanks. That must be it... I just used the OP's link. Didn't try it without the dash. Cool.
30 zippyjet: I didn't realize that Eastern's "Hockey Stick" livery made it's appearance that early. I always thought it made it's debut either very late 1964 or ea
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