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Spirit Pulling Out Of CRW?  
User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4530 times:

NK extended their schedule through February yesterday. The last bookable CRW flight is November 1 to MYR. June 10 is the last FLL-CRW flight.

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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4486 times:

perhaps going seasonal and they havent loaded the new season in yet?


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

I noticed in June all FLL flights are 1 stop thru MYR... that would seem to me the beginning of the end for CRW. I cant see them running MYR-CRW year round.


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Gee...NK doing what NK always does...move in, grab some cash, cut and run...

User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

What about the other airports with similar schedules/characteristics? IAG, PBG and LBE?


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):

Remember, Spirit has to answer to shareholders now.. if a station is not performing as hoped, then leave

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 4):
IAG, PBG and LBE?

I can tell you of the 4, CRW loads were the lowest



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 5):
I can tell you of the 4, CRW loads were the lowest

Not to MYR.


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

If Delta is constantly accused on using a "dartboard" route map for network planning, then I think that means NK's network strategy more closely resembles a dizzy version of "pin the tail on the donkey"...


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 6):
Not to MYR.

I was talking more of FLL, my understanding is MYR was doing pretty good.



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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Spirit @ CRW:
Year, Month, LF, Pax
2011 3 73.53% 1386
2011 4 83.22% 1448
2011 5 78.63% 3027
2011 6 84.77% 3183
2011 7 82.77% 3186
2011 8 64.47% 2391
2011 9 77.05% 2326
2011 10 81.61% 2027
2011 11 69.59% 1295
2011 12 61.06% 1151
2012 1 65.51% 1373

Source: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Sel=1

I know that's the slow season, but those numbers for the last few months are pretty dismal.


User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):

Man, the nerve of Spirit, cutting an under performing route, the audacity!! I'm starting to think these sleazy crooks are trying to run a business that makes a profit for its shareholders and provide a low fare ala carte option for people that otherwisecouldn't afford air travel, and do this by trimming fat and dropping routes that don't make money. those bastards!!


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting BeechToBus (Reply 10):

Yah...instead of actually doing research up front instead of trampling on the goodwill of all those pax who you just screwed!


User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):

He does bring up a valid point. If a route is not profitable, or profitable enough, why continue running it. Essentially, it is business management 101! I am not arguing that in this case, but in general, most airlines should look at how Spirit and Allegiant are quick to pull out of routes that are not profitable.

At last look, Spirit and Allegiant are making some good money.



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User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 12):
At last look, Spirit and Allegiant are making some good money.

Exactly, and AA has been starting to do this more often to (not making money, but cutting routes quickly that don't make a profit)

I know it looks like they are going in there, making the money the airport probably promised to give them (lower landing costs, and advertisement) then leaving; but they are being a normal company.

If a McDonalds (not similar to an airline, but the best example I could think of) down the street isn't preforming the way the owners want they close it. People don't get upset over this; but some how when an airline pulls a route there is this huge uproar and people have a negative image of the said airline in their head.

I don't blame NK for cutting this route, it isn't anything new in this industry.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 9):

2011 11 69.59% 1295
2011 12 61.06% 1151
2012 1 65.51% 1373

to put in perspective with the other 3 small stations mentioned

LBE 11/11 84.29%
12/11 78.39%
1/12 85.31%

IAG 11/11 79.44%
12/11 84.19%
1/12 76.60%

PBG 11/11 81.42%
12/11 90.42%
1/12 73.18%

I know LF isnt the end all, but I think it clearly shows that CRW may be underperforming compared to other similiar sized stations



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

The IAG and PBG flights always seemed like they brought in healthy loads and fares. The majority of the passengers on both are Canadians, usually connecting to/from the Caribbean and Latin America.

Agents at FLL love working the PBG flight in particular because the passengers are by far the most polite, courteous, and prepared for the Spirit experience (meaning they're familiar with the fees and have everything prepaid). Maybe it's a cultural thing between the United States and Canada.

Before the new DOT rules went into effect and it became more difficult to calculate exactly how much Spirit was charging in airfare via their website, $1 one-way fares on FLL-CRW weren't uncommon, so my guess is that they were trying to fill the seats at any cost. I took them up on their offer and spent half an hour in the terminal at CRW, had a hot dog, then got back on the plane to Fort Lauderdale.


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 15):
The IAG and PBG flights always seemed like they brought in healthy loads and fares. The majority of the passengers on both are Canadians, usually connecting to/from the Caribbean and Latin America.

My guess is that those cities also yeild a higher porportion of ancillary fees for baggage.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3078 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 13):
People don't get upset over this; but some how when an airline pulls a route there is this huge uproar and people have a negative image of the said airline in their head.

I don't blame NK for cutting this route, it isn't anything new in this industry.

That's true - but in many areas, business deveopment types preach that more air service is key to attracting more employers to that area. So, it hurts more and can have more of an effect on a city's/region's overall economy.



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User currently offlinebrains From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17):
That's true - but in many areas, business deveopment types preach that more air service is key to attracting more employers to that area. So, it hurts more and can have more of an effect on a city's/region's overall economy.


Last time I checked it wasn't an air carriers responsibility to develop the economy of a market. I grew up in a small market region and I understand how frustrating it can be to not have the options some larger areas have regarding air travel. But at the end of the day, as several other members have mentioned, NK has to answer to shareholders and they have a responsibility to them to maintain profitability even if it comes at the expense of a small market town like CRW.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Can't say I'm surprised. I never understood why NK went into CRW in the first place. IAG serves an alternate to Buffalo and more importantly Canada's Golden Horseshoe, which includes Toronto. PBG serves as an alternate to Montreal, and also the likes of Burlington, Vermont. LBE serves as an alternate to Pittsburgh. CRW is a very small market that is several hours away from any major cities. After NK had recently failed in the small CAE market (not to mention significantly larger ones like SAT), I don't know what made them think CRW would work.

That said, there must be some reason why two LCCs found reason to serve CRW from Florida. I can only assume there is somewhat decent demand from CRW to Florida. Perhaps F9 or G4 would be willing to fill the void?



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 19):
That said, there must be some reason why two LCCs found reason to serve CRW from Florida. I can only assume there is somewhat decent demand from CRW to Florida. Perhaps F9 or G4 would be willing to fill the void?

MCO is by far the best Florida market from CRW, and FLL the worst. There wasn't any pent-up demand for cheap FLL flights before NK came to town. MCO would be a drastically better route for NK. TPA would also do well. AirTran has been running MCO at much higher fares than what NK would probably charge. The majority of people in this area that vacation and or own property in Florida do so in the MCO-TPA corridor. MYR is referred to as "THE beach", leaving FLL in the dark.


I'm still waiting for someone to talk about MYR performance vs FLL in this thread of doom and gloom, but I guess I'll have to do it.

IAG, LBE, PBG are different markets than we are. I'm pretty sure CRW did well; and better than IAG and PBG to MYR last year...and was on par with LBE. Not that anyone in this thread has seen fit to bring that up.

NK has added many cities that don't and probably won't ever have FLL service. I don't think it's a mandate to be a NK airport anymore.

This thread reads like there's been an official press release that NK is pulling out. I assume most of you know their schedule isn't frozen until about 1.5-2 months in advance. Maybe they'll add something else this fall or go seasonal; pulling out remains an option too.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3078 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting brains (Reply 18):
Last time I checked it wasn't an air carriers responsibility to develop the economy of a market.

That's not what I was saying.... At all. I said that to answer someone else's question of why when something like a McDonald's closes, do people not make as big a deal about it as an airline pulling out of a market.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

I assumed that MYR was doing better since that is the flight they are keeping.... unfortunately, BTS doesnt break down by route (or if they do, I havent figured it out) and I am not privy to that info. For CRW sake, I would like to see them stay and maybe the schedule isnt final, but I am sure June sked is set at this point.

The other option is to take CRW-MYR seasonal.

[Edited 2012-05-04 11:13:26]


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Maybe they'll pare it down to a seasonal station like PBI or PUJ?

User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Spirit could probably do well in a market like CRW if it decided to be a network low fare carrier like AirTran used to be going into smaller markets that SWA ignnores. F9 is starting to do this, and while that remains to be seen if that is successful, it will be intersting to see whats in store once NK starts getting its new aircraft.

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